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Poll: Who’s the good guy?

You asked for it, so here is our first LostReview.com user poll.  Who is the good guy on Lost?  Jacob, Flocke, Both, Neither, or one of our favorites from the comments, Adam!

Whos the good guy?

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127 Responses to “Poll: Who’s the good guy?”

  1. I say Adam is good–Jacob is bad!!!

  2. I say Neither is good or bad….

    Both are manipulaters and will distruct the whole thing….

    Vincent….Good…and will be chillin on the beach

    Hurley Bird…MIA…but good

    Darma Shark….should of bit Sawyer to be bad

    Polar Bear….was good now endangered because of Sawyer

    Bees…. good and were minding their own business until Charlie disturbed their home. Bad because none of them stung Kate enough.

    Fish caught by Jin…. I don’t know ask Hurley…But wait ask Claire.

    Wild Bore… who cares

  3. Jason- I am howling!!!! You are out of control!!!!

  4. Why can’t MIB be adult Jacob… now that Jacob is dead???? and why can’t this be part of MIB’s plan… maybe this was or is the result of the loop hole he was trying to get to? Has anyone else said this??? sorry if anyone has.

  5. This is great!!!! I say both have agenda but DAMNIT JACOB IS GOOD!!!!!!!!!

  6. At least one person thinks that Adam is good!!!

  7. TL good to see you online. 8 minutes…… BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. Sadly Richard7669, I am on the west coast today, so I have 3 hours to wait. I feel like I am being robbed!!!

  9. OMG this so far is a great episode. I won’t tell you anything. Where on the west coast?

  10. I am in California, although I live in Colorado. Can’t wait.

  11. Where in California? I used to live in Freemont, and my Aunt lives in Colorado Springs

  12. HOLLLLYYY FAWKINNNNNNNGGGG SHIT… STARTED SLOW THEN WENT EFING CRAZY!!!! MY HEART IS POUNDING!!!! DAMNIT!!!! DAMNIT!!! DAMN IT!!!! DAMN IT!!! I WANT TO TALK NOW!!!!!

    SPOILER ALERT!!! SOMEONE PLEASE TALK BEFORE ME!!! I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS EPISODE NOW!

  13. Richard7669. I still have 1.5 hours to go. I am in LA today, but live in Denver near Aurora.

    Once question for you and Jason. Will you change your good vote above based upon what you saw????

    Hang on Jason!!

  14. I always believed what I saw would happen.

    TL I’m getting ready to load up on Jason here I’ll give you 7 minutes.

    Be careful In LA those people are different.

  15. OK Richard7769. I am out until it is over!!!

  16. Holy crap Jason I can’t believe Sayid turned on Dogan like that. WTF I sat here and heard the sad story on his kid then WHAM dude gets drown and Sayid had that shitty look like he did when he killed Ben.

    YOu might as well count Kate dead Claire already killed her with her eyes and the look Locke gave her when she appeared out of the temple.?????

    At least I got a Sun up for 2 minutes.

  17. Richard…LOLOLOL (on Sun).

    My goodness man! When Sayid snapped like that!!!! I was happy he unloaded though… but then I was like… all Dogan had to do was just talk! What the hell did he expect!

    I reaaaalllly hope this is setting up Jack to kick some ASS too!!! AND HUUUUUURRRRRLY!!!!!!

    This really leaves me with my thoughts as both are good and bad…

    But again…. it leaves me with Ben being good and hoping he too redeems himself.

    Even been saw the sayids eyes and was like…”im getting the Fawk out of here!!!!”

  18. Yea Ben retreating was frickin awesome. He’s like DUDE GOTTA GO……..

    Did you catch Jack in the hospital when Sayid was there with his brother? And What up with Jin in the cooler? Did I miss something?

    I damn called it on Nadia being married though. And WTF is up with Miles saying Sayid was dead for two hours? He said he never got a reading on him when he was all laid out.

  19. Miles had to of lied…. or sayid was not even dead??? I have no idea!!!!

    LOLOLOL BEN WAS GOOOOONNNNEEE!!!!!

    i LIKE HOW THEY MADE US SUGGEST SAYID WILL GET HIS WISH TO SEE NADIA (SLIDING DOOR) BUT SHE WILL NEVER BE HIS!!!!

    I did see Jack! Funny!

    Rumor has it Sawyer is a cob in the sliding door world…. will he come to the stake out place where Jin and Sayid are?

    I am still wondering how everyone will connect in the sliding world…. great to see Jin and Sayid meet…

  20. SHIT RICHARD!!!!! FAWKING KEEEEEAAAMMMY!!!! WTF!!!!

    HOW ABOUT SAYID HANDLING BUSINESS IN THE SLIDING WORLD!!!!

  21. Here was one common thread I thought of. When Dogan was talking about his son he said Jacob told him he could fix his son but he could never see him and he had to be at the temple Locke wanted him to leave and he never would.

    MIB tells Sayid that he could grant him Nadia again (or alluded to) if he followed him and did his bidding. So they pretty much have the same power I guess it’s all in how you use it?

  22. RICHARD…. I FORGOT TO REPLY… THOUGH I FEEL MY THEORY IS CORRECT… I CAN ACTUALLY SEE HOW JACOB IS GOOD…!!! I REALLY HOPE HE IS AND MY THEORY IS WRONG…

  23. BUT……DOGAN DID SEE HIS SON AGAIN… IN THE SLIDING WORLD!

  24. SAYID… couldn’t or didn’t want to acknowledge his war years when his brother asked for the favor…. (Sayid on island says he is good or has good in him)

    SAYID…. tries to kill MIB. On island then kills Dogan… sliding world… he then remembers he can kill!!!!!!!

    Last week….

    Jack….he is having problems with son… On island…stuggling to get to break through…

    Jack… on island smashes mirrors…. sliding world gets along with his son.

    I’m just saying is the island catching up with the sliding world? Do events effect moments in the sliding world…

    Am I making any sense??

  25. yea but in the sliding world Jack is a do gooder again and Sun Hates Jin (good for me) Kate is a (who cares) and we haven’t even touched on Sawyer.

    WTF where is Sawyer? Wasn’t he with Locke? and where did Jin go? I’m so fricken confused I want more… more Damn it!!!!

    I want the secrets! I want the key to knowledge, I’m going nuts and so help me GOD if the last seen is MIB and Jacob drinking a corona saying they come they fight they destroy but everything in between is progress…… I’m going to Hawaii and piss in the water.

  26. I can’t see how one effects the other but you may be right, Jin is captured by the bad guys then Claire lets him go, he gets out by Sayid in the cooler….

    Sawyer helps Kate to escape in the real world and tells her to ride off in the sunset on the island….

  27. In this case…sundown my friend sundown

  28. OK folks. You know how they say that crack is whacked?? Well, this show is TOTALLY WHACKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    MY HEART IS STILL POUNDING!!!!! WHERE DO I START!!!!

    Ok. Calm down. The opening fight scene between Dogan and Sayid. GREAT STUFF. I was looking for Bruce Lee to make an appearance and referee. WOW. Dogan was a bad-mamma-jamma. Way to slice Sayid up, but he got whooped too.

    I am taking my hat off to Sayid. He was the thrilla in manilla taking out the gorilla’s all the way around. I never saw him getting ready to whack Dogan, and to slice Lennon like a piece of pie??? WTH??????? That is no way to go.

    And you are right. The look on Ben’s face when He saw Sayid’s death look. PRICELESS. The little man is no dummy, and turned and made himself scarce.

    Miles- that lucky dog. He should have been gone.

    Where is Richard Alpert- Has he been running around in the jungle all this time and cannot get to the temple???

    And Claire- She is certifiably bat crazy. Can we send her to Santa Rosa????

  29. OK. Here are my questions and comments.

    Why didn’t the knife work on Flocke?? Was it because flocke “spoke” first?? No. I think it was because the knife could only kill MIB, and flocke is smokey. I still believe that smokey works for MIB and is using locke’s form to handle his business.

    Did Dogan really think that the knife would work or was he manipulating Sayid??

    The statement of Miles that Sayid was dead for 2 hours. I know they looked surprised when sayid sat up, but if he was really down for 2 hours, don’t you think the excitement would have been more??? what am I missing?

    How did Sayid let smokey into the temple even though the ash ring was there? Was he posing as smokey????? I mean we did not see him during the purge.

    Suddenly I am so totally confused as to who is who. If we go with the proven premise that dead is dead, then sayid was dead, so someone or something was using his body. Was it MIB, smokey, or Jacob.

    HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I NEED ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!

  30. AND, could it be true that Jacob banished Dogan to the island in exchange for his son living. What kind of good guy does that. And, wouldn’t that be making a deal with devil???

    So confused . . .

  31. TL I believe that the ash ring was laid down by Dogan. When we see Flocke he and Claire are near it and he doesn’t cross over. I believe that when Dogan died the rings power died that is why he couldn’t leave the temple.

    Claire has def crossed the road and is in left field. I’m still on the path that MIB and smokey are the same. I feel that Dogan wanted Smokey to F’up Sayid. That is why he had him stab him. I don’t think it was because ge spoke first I think Dogan wanted smokey to crush Sayid like ge did Ilania’s guys when they shot him. Remember Richard Alpert yelling don’t shoot him after Flocke left the temple?

  32. TotallyLost, Dogan gave Sayid the knife in hopes Flocke would kill him. That’s why Sayid said to Dogan “That’s the second time you tried to have me killed.” The pill being the first time.

    My question is, what are Gin and Sawyer doing while all this madness is going on at the temple? Fishing and playing PingPong?

  33. Brooks- Sorry but Hurley is the ping pong champ after that they burned the paddles and had sushi.

    I hope we don’t see Jin and Sun against each other (right) but you never know this sow is absolutely crazy.

  34. Ok episode.

    Fun facts:

    – Sayid’s accent sounds different to me after drowning…

    – All the injured of LA go to Jack’s hospital…

    – What if in this backgammon Jacob and MIB are
    playing Jacob has to choose his checkers outside the island and MIB has to choose only who is on the island?

    – Jude, i dont think Christian was MIB…or Jacob…

    – TL, as i said before, we are sure Flocke is the smoke monster, but not MIB.

    I have a strong feeling that Lost will end in a way that we will be here for weeks trying to figure it out…

  35. What I don’t understand is why clear house in the temple and then just walk away (at least it seemed like they were walking away from it in the end of the episode.
    And did anyone notice how all of a sudden Flocke has a lot of followers?
    Does this now mean that Dogan can be claimed by Flocke?

  36. - Flocke’s ”home” was not the temple …wonder where are they heading to…

    – Will Dogan die or be reborn by the temple’s pool?

    What bothers me is that Jacob and the ”good guys” from the temple always keep everything a secret and never give any straight answers….Dogan didnt do a good job on making the losties trust him…

    while MIB has always a direct answer to every question…i dont know if it is a true one, probably not, but is easier to convince someone to be at your side when you give some information…

  37. Dogan told Sayid that MIB would appear to him as someone he knows who has died. He never specificaly said it was Locke…Thats intriguing…
    He was mentioning MIB modus operandi in general…

    I know it may not make sense and i may be wrong, but …

    MIB could indeed have been Christian…and fooled Claire…
    but he is not Flocke…Flocke is Smokie…

    TL, help me out on this….

    But Dogen wasn’t explaining this specific situation, unaware it’s Locke. He was simply explaining what the Man in Black does in general. Interesting.

  38. Sorry for the last repeated paragraph

  39. I still think that MIB=Smoke=Flocke.

    We have assumed that Claire knewn the difference between Locke and Flocke. What about if Flocke just told her that he wasn’t Locke. If he told her that he was her father while taking the form of her father then she wouldn’t know the difference.

  40. Just wanted to say a quick thanks to Scott again for putting up the site and continuing to monitor and answer requests, etc.
    You’re the Man.

  41. jonathan, on March 3rd, 2010 at 8:39 am Said: Ok episode.

    Fun facts:

    – Sayid’s accent sounds different to me after drowning…
    —————
    I was thinking the same thing, maybe it was intentional to show his internal change. And Ben hightailing it out of there was one of the best things I saw in a while.

  42. Is there even a question whether I’m the good guy or bad guy??? I’m totally the bad guy!!! hahaha

    It started slow but I thought the episode obviously had a lot of action.

    I didn’t notice the accent thing or jack in the hospital. I’m losing it.

    Flocke is 100% smokie, maybe not MIB, but 100% smokie. It is confirmed

    TL – this is for you. Jacob and MIB/Smokie may not either be bad or good based on the conversation Sayid and Dogan had. Dogan made it sound like they both offer these deals that aren’t really deals. They are more like getting kicked in the teeth while someone steals your wallet. Now I’m not sure who is the good guy. One thing is for sure though Flocke is def bad…he doesn’t do good so he is 100% bad. Jacob might be bad too, but Flocke def has bad intentions.

  43. ****Spoiler for next wee based on coming attractions.

    Did anyone see the coming attractions??? It said that Ben is going to die.

  44. I also read an article that stated that many of the characters from previous seasons are coming back from multiple episodes or have been named as full cast members.

    Sadly it says Desmond will be back in multiple episodes but not as a regular. It also says Walt will be tough because of his age. Couldn’t they just get someone else? Boone’s sister also not coming back. it does say that many of them are featured in the 2nd half of the season.

    I think once they get through all the main flash-sideway’s we will see these characters

  45. I’ve also seen many articles today that refer to Flocke as both the smoke monster and MIB.

    I think they are the same.

    What does this mean for Kate? Bad guy? Wrong place wrong time?

    The rest of the temple people seem to fall in line with Flocke when they had just left the temple not to be killed by him….thats odd.

    Fun fact about Jack – -

    For a very successful spinal surgeon he drives the shittiest piece of crap car….Get this guy a Mercedes Benz!

  46. I only have 2 votes either because there is no option for me being bad or because you think the other options are more related to the show.

    Either way i dont know whether to feel offended or not!

  47. A very good episode! It was like a breaktrough because it showed us that MiB is now in charge after he killed all the temple people! He is also leading now a group of supporters what makes him being the winner at the moment. So who could stop him? i don´t really know one, except of someone off the island like Whidmore…

    Sayid just was great, although he went bad what was to be expected.

  48. Here’s a thought and please bust me if I’m off my rocker. Suppose smokey is another person all together. He could be Richard’s brother that pissed off Jacob and is trapped until someone kills MIB and then he could be released.

  49. Will Jack kill Flock?

    Adam…if Ben dies next week….I garentee it will show all along he was….. GOOD! HEHEHE.

  50. Ben is def a character that can go either way to me at this point. I always thought of him as the constant manipulator and always a step ahead of everyone, but last years finale and so far this season they have made him more “regular” for lack of a better word. He is one of those characters who is great on Lost and I’ve always wanted someone to kill him…but now I kind of want him to stick around or at least redeem himself. I like a feel good story, maybe I am a good guy…..

    Do you guys think the next few episodes will be finding out which characters are going to be on which side?

  51. Anyone else notice that when Sayid told Flocke that Dogan said that he was evil incarnated that Flocke didn’t denigh it…

    Agreed Adam Ben has certainly become more regular and hence more likeable. I would like to see him stick around for a bit.

    I was also thinking that Dogan must of had to follow the rules that MIB and Jacob talk about. He seemed like he was about to kill Sayid (one of the canidates) until the baseball dropped and hit the floor reminding him that this was not allowed. Maybe the deal with Jacob to reverse the death of his son is only valid if the rules are followed.

  52. Jones, good call on the rules.

    Suposing , as most people do, that MIB is Lockeness , why he didnt die with the stabbing, while Jacob did?

    Could it be because Sayid was not a loophole?

    Can we define loophole?

    Is it fair to say that the principle of the loophole is using a player from the other side, by their free will, to do your bidding?

    So Ben was the loophole, since he was on Jacob’s side, and was used by Lockeness to kill Jacob…

    So it means that Sayid is in Lockeness side and than couldnt kill him?

    About Dogan…didnt he kill Sayid with the knife because he was a candidate?

    I dont think so, because Dogan intended to kill him before and he would be already dead if he had taken that pill..

    … it seems that he needed Jack to kill Sayid…he needed a loophole…so that Jack would convince Sayid to willingly take the pill…cause Dogan couldnt kill him himself…

    thats so confusing..
    My head hurts….

  53. Hey folks. Gosh, where do I start:

    1. Jones-re Post 35. I too was wondering why kill off everyone in the temple and just walk away?? To what end?? Also, the temple folks did not seem afraid of MIB. I mean they heard Jacob was dead, and quickly ran to MIB. What gives? Does this mean that they must have an island protector to survive, and if one is dead, they must go to the other??

    2. Brooks- I agree now (after a little sleep) that Dogan was trying to get Sayid killed. He was a schiester. Good riddance.

    3. Jonathan- Post 37. I am right with you that MIB and flocke/smokey are two separate entities. I think that smokey is the agent of MIB, and smokey uses the dead to take human form. that is my story and I am sticking to it.

    4. Richard7769- Post 48-I think all would agree that you are generally off your rocker (lol), but as for thinking that smokey may be someone altogether different, anything is possible!!!!

    5. Adam, Adam, Adam– I am now leaning towards you in thinking that Jacob and MIB are neither all bad, or all good. They are a mixture. I am wondering if Jacob has been impersonating people all along, and the damn writers are trying to throw us off by making us focus on MIB and flocke/smokey.

    See the next post, as this one is getting long.

  54. BTW Guys there are 108 stitches on a baseball.

  55. I was troubled by how smokey got into the temple. I know that Richard7769 said that Dogan had put down the ash and when he died the power of the ash died. After all, before Lennon got sliced he did say to Sayid: “he was the only one keeping IT (not him) out of here.” So does that mean that the ash is always connected to the life of someone? In such case, I am confused about the ash around the cabin, and how that got broken. Was there some death that rendered it ineffective, and if so, whose??

    It appears that the power of the temple or/and the temple guardian was one of the remaining thing keeping MIB on the island. Once Jacob died, the next mission seems to be to neutralize the power of the temple by killing the protector, who was clearly Dogan. When Jacob was alive that apparently was not possible, but now that he is dead, I guess it is. We need to know what is the significance of the temple (among 10,000 other things).

  56. Jonathan- good question as to where flocke et all are going. Perhaps to the flying donkey wheel to leave??

    When is Jacob going to pop up and put his plan into play. If all the happenings today surprised him, my opinion of him will drop.

    And, I don’t want Ben to die, at least yet, but the teaser seems to suggest it is time for him to get his due.

  57. I just had a thought. What if MIB via flocke has the power to put people back into the current parallel universe, and that is what is driving people to follow him.

    1. Claire- In the parallel universe the baby is there and will not be adopted. And although flocke told her the baby is in the temple, maybe the temple was the only thing keeping her from the baby, as its destruction was the only was she could leave.

    2. Sayid- In the parallel universe Naidia is there, and flocke said they could be reunited. Yes, the brother is around, but at least she is alive.

    3. Sawyer- We don’t yet know what is for him in the parallel universe, but I bet it is Juliette. Remember her let’s have coffee comment???

    Maybe that is why Richard Alpert would not join him– he is immortal, so has nothing off the island.

    Just a thought

  58. randomlostfan on March 3rd, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    TL

    It’s practically confirmed that Unlocke/Smokie is the same entity as the MIB. Remember the conversation they had on the beach where MIB tells Jacob he would find a loophole to kill him one day, that exact conversation is referenced by Jacob when he meets Unlocke/Smokie the night they kill him him under the statue, “Well you found your loophole.”, “Indeed I did” So, you know, following Occam’s razor, the most simple explanation is correct, so they just are the same. Ofcourse you never know with this show :(

  59. Total…. I agree with your theory on MIB.

  60. I know I am posting a lot, but I thought you folks would find the below very interesting. IT DID NOT COME FROM ME. I am not that smart. I saw in on another site:

    “Remember before the season began, when ABC released a trio of images that had the cast of Lost replicating Leonardo Da Vinci’s painting of The Last Supper? According to tradition, Jesus’ final meal with his disciples occurred on Thursday evening. The next day, on ’’Good Friday,’’ Christ was crucified. Jesus was taken off the cross at sundown (although it had been oddly dark all day) and placed into a tomb. From there, the Christian messiah, God’s only begotten son, is said to have descended into hell to give Satan the finger. Sundown. Son Down. Now, think back to the season premiere, ’’LA X.’’ The castaways arrived back on the Island in the evening. Last night’s episode was the first time we’ve seen evening on the Island since then, and based on what we’ve seen, I think it’s safe to say that only one day has passed since Team Jughead was uploaded to Island 2007. Oh, and in case you weren’t keeping track, Lost’s last season is now one-third complete. Six hours of Lost 6.0 = 1 day on the Island. 18 hours on Lost 6.0 = 3 days. If we say that ’’LA X’’ was Maundy Thursday, and if ’’Sundown’’ was Good Friday, then will the show’s final hour be… Easter Sunday. And you know what happened on Easter? Resurrection. I’m telling you, folks, Alpha, the god of beginnings is coming back to balance the scales, but this time he’ll be wearing a whole new body, because he’s going to be a whole new creation: the resurrected John Locke.”

    Holy smokes . . .

  61. randomlostfan, I 100% agree with post 58. I said the same thing a couple of times but no one commented on it. I am glad someone is with me on it lol.

  62. Randomlostfan and Jones. It is just too obvious to me for them to be one in the same. It was smokey in the form of locke in the statute, who manipulated Ben into killing Jacob. MIB was somewhere else. And, I think Jacob knew it.

    Call me crazy, but that is my story until I have 100% proof otherwise!!!

  63. I’ve been with Jones on this one as well. MIB=Flocke=Smokie

    I think it’s obvious in fact. You never know I guess but I think it’s clear.

    I like that John Locke resurrection theory Post 60. I just don’t want this show to be religious based. I’m not a religious person and the connection to religion might fly right over my head. I’m pretty sure it’s going there but I’d rather it not.

  64. So I think that what we are seeing in the sideways clips, is what would of happened if Jacob had never touched our losties.
    And the reason we are seeing these now is because Jacob is dead. Remember that they blew up the station in 77 the same time (as we were watching) as Ben was stabbing Jacob.this is what is called redirecting(Swordfish association)making us think initially that our losties was causing the sideways universive,but in actuality it is and has always been Jacob and MIB.
    Maybe these two universes that we are seeing have been created by Jacob and MIB.
    And I think it’s obvious that Jacob wants Jack to fight for his side. The funny thing is that Jacob is giving Jack the choice, the same as Flocke gave Ben. but Locke was never given a choice.whatever that means.
    My favorite part was Sayid opening the door to find Jin on the other side,all tied up.

  65. One question I do have though is, if our losties are all “canidates” then what the hell was Ben? It has played out that he was a no body, so does this mean that Ben was just a leader like this Dogan dude or a canidate like the others or like Locke was. What they hell are they all canidates for? to protect the island? to lead the fight on both sides? to be a douche bag like Ben? maybe another Richard? maybe another Jacob or MIB? I’m so confused.

  66. spoiler alert

    anyone wandering who the mother of Jack’s boy David is?
    I can tell you it’s not his ex wife, the one he married cause he fixed her back.
    Sources say that it’s someone we already know.

    my guess is Juliett.

  67. http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20313460_20347892,00.html

  68. BigLostFan-That would be shocking if Juliette was Jack’s ex.

    Adam, thanks for that link. Interesting.

  69. I think when this plays out we’ll find out that Jacob made a similar deal with the MIB a long time ago, and that’s why he’s stuck on the island. I think he means what he says — he just wants to go back home. But like Dogan, he made a deal in exchange for something at one point, but eventually got tired of the arrangement. I don’t think Jacob is good and MIB, evil — I think they are both doing what they feel they must, and that each is a little bit of both.

  70. Duane- good theory. I think that it was cold-blooded of Jacob to make that deal with Dogan, but then again, it was cold-blooded what Dogan did. Maybe Jacob makes these deals with people as part of the penance for doing wrong.

  71. All we have seen (heard) from Jacob until last night was he touched people in a time of need or despair. If you had accidently killed your kid you would make the same decision to ensure they got to live their life and give you some sence of relief.

    I think Jacob let’s the canidates make their choices gives them a chance to act and see if they better themselves.

    Adam you say your not a religious man but you know slot of the scriptures.

  72. Ok– I have a problem. Dogan seemed totally unconcerned that flocke was coming, whereas everyone else seemed scared when Sayid made his anouncemet. Why?? Was he thinking that so long as he was inside, flocke could only be outside?? Did he know he was going to die?? Something is wrong here.

    Also, I am disturbed with the whole scene with the knife. I mean it was buried in a planter, and in a nice box. That is always a hint that it is more than just a prop. Did dogan really think it could kill flocke, kind of like a stake to the heart to a vampire?? What if that knife was tipped with poison or had some other mystical debilitating power, and was part of the plan between Dogan and Jacob’s spirit to get it into flocke, and that would somehow interfere with his plan in a future episode.

    It is interesting that Ben took out Jacob with a knife, and the same tactic is used against flocke, but without immediate effect, or any blood on the knife for that matter.

  73. So Sun’s daddy seems to have some business with Whidmore in the alttimeline…

  74. Cool, another corker of an episode, I really feel like Lost has been climbing and climbing like a rollercoaster all this time and it’s finally about to tip over the edge…

    Obviously good and evil were the main themes this time around, but it was interesting to see just how focused this idea was around Sayid. It was probably the best Sayid-based ep ever, and was complimented by Naveen Andrews’ best performance in this role, one that reminded us just how complex and unknowable this character is.

    His killings of Keamy, Dogan, Lennon and (attempedly) Flocke remind us that he is, as Ben told him last season, a natural born killer, and the implication that he has gone Dark Side was done in an admirably chilling way. He insists in one reality that he is a good man, and in the other that he has changed, but we see time and again that he has not and cannot.

    Whatever Flocke promised him/did to him obviously seems to have had the desired effect, and it seems to me that the reason Dogan was so concerned about Sayid, and about Claire, and is (sorry, was) so wary of everyone he meets, is that Sayid had the POTENTIAL to be seduced by Flocke. Not literally, of coure. Ew.

    It strikes me it is the loss(!) of a loved one that gives Flocke such a powerful control over his disciples, and it makes perfect sense – they know Locke is dead, yet there he is, up and about – and so the promise of resurrecting Nadya for Sayid and Juliet for Sawyer(?) seems possible and is what keeps them obedient.

    Who else will he be able to manipulate with this promise? Ben, using Alex? Jack, using Christian? Hurley, using Charlie? Or Dave? Probably not Dave…

    Could it be that THAT was what old smokey was scanning for whenever he met someone – whether they had LOST someone?

  75. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxyDbQgU7FQ
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8GETVDPLbU&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY6yu52GTQM&feature=related

    hey guys check this out here are some clips for next weeks episode. I REALLY hope that they don’t kill Ben but you never really know who’s stays dead.

  76. Scoppie -

    that’s interesting and could very well have something to do with it.

    Richard –

    I either get sent that stuff by friends or just look it up and read about it. I def don’t know it off the top of my head. Haven’t been to church besides a wedding in at least 5 years. I have a lot of downtime at my job which allows me to research some of this stuff. My job sux…lol

    Maybe Flocke picks them because they are struggling with themselves. Sayid struggles with the demons inside him, he wants to be good but has an evil side. Claire wanted to give her baby up then ended up on the island and keeping it and then giving it up and then wanting it. Sawyer is this con man with a big heart. trying sometimes to go straight and show us he does have a big heart and then being lured into the next big con.

  77. Scoppie- Hats off to you for another brilliant analysis. But I would also add that Jacob seems to have done the same thing for Dogan by resurrecting His son, and, being the shifty bad guy he is (for you Adam), could have done it for others that we are not aware of.

    I guess the questions is whether the price they pay is worth losing your soul.

  78. Thanks for that link Adam. Cool info.

  79. Guys, correct me if iam wrong, please…

    Sawyer was the only one that Jacob touched off the island before the bomb went off and the new timeline was created.

    Lets see:

    The bomb was detonated in 1977.New timeline begins from 1977 on.

    Sawyer is 39 years old, born in 1968.
    His parents died when he was 8, in 1976, and thats when Jacob went to see him.

    All the others ones he visited after 1977.

    Kate was a kid too, but she is 30 years old, born in 1977. When he touched her, she was about 10 years old, so it was around 1987.

    Perhaps its just random and doesnt mean a damn thing, but who knows…

  80. jonathan….

    Sun’s father was already doing business with Widmore Industries before the sliding door universe.

    Total….

    I love the idea about Easter thing…that was fun to read… and would be more fun if true.

    However, it could also be Jack but not in the physical sense but the resurrection could apply in a conceptual awakening.

  81. Jonathon… It just may mean something… any ideas what it could mean???

  82. EVERYONE…. JACOB AND MIB ARE NEITHER GOOD OR BAD…THEY HAVE THEIR OWN AGENDA….

    MIB just wants to DIE!!!! This is his “HOME”

  83. Did I just read that Juliette may be the ex?! WOW!!! I love IT! I hope so! If not her then LLana would be cool. Don’t know why I said her name.

  84. Jonathan. Post 87. Very, Very interesting. Nothing is random on lost,so that has to have some meaning.

    Jason- I am now leading towards neither being bad or good (but not totally there yet!!)

  85. I still think Jacob is good and MIB/smokie/Flocke (cause they are all the same) are bad.

    I do like the idea of Jacks ex being a character we know already. Maybe Anna Lucia, that would be cool.

  86. hey just read somewhere that the writters are saying that water plays a significient part in all this.
    Just a thought, has it rained any since fake Locke has arrived on the scene?
    I think that maybe the rain was keeping FLocke at bay or in hiding. I think whats the best way to put out smoke? water right.
    maybe Jacob does win and thats why we saw the island flooded at the beginning of this season.

    and also, has anyone ever noticed that they all drink alot of water,refilling those water bottles from previous seasons.

  87. Oh and something else I saw on another site ( I think it was darkufo) someone had talked about Jacks appendix scar, and when he asked his mom about it she had said that he had it removed when he was 7or8 years old.
    so taking in account of Jacks age,I would speculate that he was born around 1970, right, so i think that would make him around 7 or 8 in 1977, right, so isn’t that when the incident occured on the island? what if the island is course correcting somehow.

  88. Something else that really struck me when Dogan gave Sayid the knife – the way Dogan described Flocke: “he will come to you as someone you know, someone who has died.” Sounds almost like he’s quoting from a prophesy.

  89. Speaking of noticing things….and something the prop folks messed up big on this last episode….

    When Jin was drinking out of the water bottle it was a plastic green Darma bottler When you see it you will know what I am talking about… Eitherway it is a recent industrial designed bottle not one from the 80′s or 70′s for that matter. So…unless it was dropped by the air supply shipment it would not have looked like this. A canteen would of been better. I know this is splitting hairs. But just something I noticed…

    When I saw it I said to myself…Hey THATS MY WORKOUT BOTTLE I GOT FROM TARGET.

  90. Scott (not that one) on March 4th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    Flocke’s deals are temptation like. Jacob’s deals are more sacrifice like. Dogan had to give up his life (well normal life) for his son’s life. Sayid was promised what he wanted most, apparently no strings attached–minus killing a few people in the temple. Normally temptation is correlated with evil and sacrifice with good.

    I agree MIB/Flocke/Smokie are the same person. I’m skeptical about Christian’s body being used by MIB… no explanation why, just my feeling.

    The broken ash ring that was protecting the cabin… do you think there is/was a mole in the ‘Others’ group that broke the ash ring??

    Not sure why Jack is so important to Jacob. It seems Jack is the most important candidate. There must be some type of linkage between Jack and other important people on the island. Whether that would be heritage or morality.

  91. Jason- LOL I’m heading to Target.

    The temple in the glass was from Jin and Suns wedding (sob) where Jacob touched them. The house was from Jack’s childhood where he said he hasn’t been since he was a kid. I don’t think Jacob was watching Jack but maybe Christian or his grandfather. He didn’t touch Jack until the hospital much later.

  92. Scott…..

    This may be very well linked to the concept…

    Fate verses Destiny….I feel by the end of it all will be Fate AND Destingy instead of Verses. Eitherway…..

    Fate implies no choice… (jacob)

    Destiny implies choices to move in the direction of destiny…. (MIB)

    However when Jacob was talking to Ben he reminded him that he did have a choice.

  93. First I have to thank you all for your interesting thoughts and ideas. Especially post 74 from Scoppie.

    Second, I just want to point out an observation about WHEN (in what age) Jacob met (and touched) the losties.

    Jacob touched Sawyer when he was a child and it was AFTER someone family-near had died (his mom and dad). Much later, Sawyer killed a man.

    Jacob touched Kate when she also was a child, but it was BEFORE she killed her father (or was it a stepfather?).

    Jacob touched Jack when he was an adult and BEFORE his father Christian died. Jack didn’t kill anybody. He did the “opposite” – fixed them.

    Jacob touched Jin & Sun when they got married. I’m not sure if it was BEFORE Jin killed a man!?

    Jacob touched Locke when he was (nearly) killed by his father. Hmm… wasn’t John Locke really dead for a short time? And “waked up” back to life when Jacob touched him???

    And Sayed… he was with Nadia when Jacob touched him. And the result of that was that Nadia was hit by a car and died… (Jacob = good ?).

    And – for the moment – I can’t recall how (and if) Jacob visited the other losties. Maybe I did miss someone?

    I wonder if Jacob ever visited & touched any other person and – at the same time – there were no person involved ho had died and was killed?

    Of course there were many losties from the original plane crasch (Oceanic-xxx (was it 815, or should I say 8 15?)).

    Well, this was just some facts I had to write. I have no clue what/if it mean something.

    ANOTHER thing here. About “candidates”. All the people (called “the others”) Ben’s people and the people in the temple. Maybe a candidate is a person who has potential to be a member of that people? But it feels like it is something “higher” in the word “candidate”, doesn’t it?

    I felt it was strange that everyone in the temple so quickly decided to leave before sundown when Sayed told them that Jacob was dead and they could live the iland together with “the man outside”!? Almost like they were all trapped there against theire will… Did Ben’s people (= the same people) felt the same all time before on the iland??

    Ok. Many, many questions.. Where are the answers???

    ???????????????????????????????????????????????????

  94. Another question: Was the children in the temple from the original plane crash (Oceanic)?

  95. The candidate, Jacob touched Hugo as well in a cab.

    The children and the stewardess are indeed from the original 815.

    Interesting point about people being forced to be at the temple by Jacob…and in this direction…remember when Bram got inside the statue and met Flocke, who told him that Jacob was dead so now Bram was free…

    This link is a chapter of a book about Lost that seems great, by a guy named Vozzek. Its a bit long, but worth reading.

    http://www.thingsinoticed.com/vozzeks-book-sample-chapter.pdf

  96. Thanks jonathan. Yes Hugo was touched, I remember now. (And people near him had died before that (after Hugo won on the lottery)).

    But who is Bram? Is it one leader of the “we are the good guys” people?

    I will look at the link later, thanks!

  97. Bram was that tall guy from the group of Ilana, he came on the Ajira flight…they were on the island to protect Jacob..he had a machine gun…and was killed by Flocke/Smokie in the statue.

  98. I agree with the theory that MIB = Smokie (=UnLocke/fLocke).

    But I have a problem with the last episode of season 5. In that scene MIB and Jacob at the beach were talking to each other. MIB said something about

    “It always ends the same. They come, they fight, they corrupt, they destroy.”

    The problem I have with this, is that if MiB = Smokie then why does he complain, because HE (Smokie) is HIGHLY involved in this “fight and destroy” thing!

    In fact, the people seems to me only be like chess pieces in this “war”. They follow their leader, who follows Jacob (or some of them now – fLocke).

    I don’t understand!! I don’t understand!!!!

  99. Thanks again jonathan! He (Bram) was the one I suspected. I have a VERY bad memory for names (and words) so when I saw the first five seasons on DVD, I worked hard with all names, to remember them.

    But now – I’m in Sweden – I can’t wait for the broadcasting on TV (starts late in mars) so I look use streaming at the internet instead. The problem with that is that there is no subtitle on swedish… So I don’t know many names. Makes it harder for me to learn the names.

    But wait! Bram was in season five! Ok, I have to work harder on memorising the names! Shame on me! I’m not a good candidate! ;-)

  100. Scott (not that one) on March 5th, 2010 at 7:40 am

    I just realized my comment in post 89 about temptation vs sacrifice is very similar to the post Jude77 said in the Sun Down Sneak Peek post 123 before I posted. I only bring this up because I didn’t mean to steal (although unintentionally) an idea and claim it as mine!!

  101. Scott (not that one) on March 5th, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Post 91 –Jason
    Also Jacob is giving Jack a choice in the Lighthouse episode to be the ‘shepard’ or be the sheep. He also gave Dogan a choice regarding his child’s life.

    I think Jacob manipulates freewill where as MIB is playing on weaknesses to push his agenda (die or join me, join me and get the love of your life, get your baby back, get off the island etc). OR die being the key for every option). The idea that people are good and are normally motivated to do the ‘right’ thing is what Jacob plays with.

    Destiny is a series of predetermined events.
    And fate is inevitable/unavoidable; destiny.
    As taken from dictionary.com
    So Destiny and fate are essential the same.
    As far as the parallel timelines goes, Fate plays a huge role. Regardless of how it happens the end seems to be the same for many of the characters (someone touched on this in a previous post).
    Charlie’s destiny was to die but in the end he CHOSE death rather than letting it just find him. This is interesting, was it really his destiny to die or was it free will to sacrifice himself for the greater good? And is that the same choice all the characters have? or are they really doomed to their fate.

  102. Fate and Destiny seem to be the same but they are just that one degree difference that makes them different. The only similarity is that in either the path seems to be predetermined… one by choice to that path… the other regaurdless of choice.

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  104. Just some thoughts..

    Flocke can’t kill anyone (against the “rules”) but Smokie can.

    Claire can kill (we saw it) and Sayid clearly can kill.

    (I don’t know if should write Sayid or Fsayid, but here it is the SAME body which was clearly not the case with Flocke but seems to be with Christian (or Fchristian ?))

    What if Flocke and Smokie really aren’t the same!? Ok, Flocke was leading Ben to think they were but maybe he lied to Ben?

    Could it be like MiB = Flocke but NOT Smokie? Maybe Flocke only can “control” Smokie?

    One thing I’m sure about is that “Christian” are on the “dark” side. Before Christian died, he told his son (many times I guess) “You don’t have what it takes”.

    And now Jacob have told him (from Hugo) the opposite. So FChristian is on the other side of Jacob.

    But.. still I don’t know.. So confusing..

    ABOUT THE PLANE CRASCH: If the plane crasched because Desmond forget to press the button, how could Jacob know this to happen? I mean he touched some of the Losties before the crasch (except Hugo, that was after). It seems like he wanted them to the island but how could he know that Desmond failed to press the button JUST WHEN THE PLANE WAS IN THE AIR?

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  106. After all, who do you think was trapped in that cabin Ben visited with Locke?

    Jacob like they said, or MIB?

    Why would be Jacob there? Why would he cry for help to Locke, who ended up in the side of his nemesis.

    Isnt MIB the one that said he was trapped for so long?

    The ash was to avoid MIB from leaving or to keep him out?

    Remember that when Ilana went to the cabin she told her crew that someone other than Jacob had been using the cabin and that they had to burn it.

    But if it was MIB in the cabin, how to explain the Smoke Monster appearences while he was trapped?

    Is it possible in the end to have more than one Smokie, something wich i never believed so far?

    Why the hell Ben could summon Smokie?

    Lost always gives me headaches.

  107. johnathan, im pretty sure the cabin was Jacobs spot.

  108. Jonathan. Good points re post 105. My head is spinning too, and has been since this show began. Why not have 2 different smokes- One controlled by Jacob, and the other by MIB. Perhaps the only way either can “appear” as someone else is through their respective smoke monster. That might answer the question of who was impersonating Christian when Flocke, Sun, Ben and Lapidus were all together at the old Dharma receiving station last season. Also, suppose that each one had several different smokies to do their bidding. I know, far fetched, but this is Lost after all.

    TheCandiate re post 103, While I think that Flocke is smokey, but MIB is not flocke/smokey, and only controls them, you are thinking that it is sort of the opposite: that MIB is flocke, but not smokey, and that maybe only flocke can control smokey. Very interesting, and certainly plausible. Either way, it suggests that smokey, flocke and MIB are not one single entity.

    Somebody get me a beer as my head is spinning.

  109. Jonathan–Good catch on Flocke telling Bram that he was free before he offed him in the statute. That statement coupled with the temple others getting out of dodge so quickly may suggest that they were there against their total will, but they made the best of it while there.

    But I will point out that the “others” outside the statute did not seem to see that they were free. I mean the temple folks set off the flair to tell the others that Jacob was dead, which they already knew because Illana when in there and Ben told her. So why go to the temple at that point?? In fact, they did not even follow flocke??? Yet the others so easily did??

    It is like there are 2 sects of “others” as has been mentioned by many before– The ones in the temple who are all hippied out and barefoot, and the ones who walk around in Abercrombe and Fitch outdoors clothes with sturdy trekking shoes. what gives??

  110. oh come on guys…., talking all the time about who is good or evil. That gets boring, sorry! Is MiB/Flocke the smoke monster – of course he is!! Why do some people are thinking here that Mib is two different person or whatever!? Sorry but thats crap, i mean it´s totally obviously Mib is Flocke and also is Smokey and all the dead people in past season what our losties got to see – MIB WAS THAT!! HE IS ONLY ONE PERSON/ THING!!!! Sorry guys i think youre going into unimportant conversations here…, but it´s also very amussing to read you thoughts, so keep it on!!

    Jacob should be the good guy but as a lot of you people already mentioned before, i am also led to believe he is not that good at all, it´s more his doing he´s way how he believes is the right, as MiB is doing!

    BUT….as Dogen mentioned by showing Sayid the scale of dark and white / good and evil, i cleary understand at his point that there is a black and a white side and JAcob is on the white and MiB on the right side! MiB massacred the temple others (ver BAD), however!

    Another thing are the words of MiB when he was standing in front of the tmeple, after he massacred everyone inside. He told then the poeple: “You all free now!! Very Significant words!! What annoys me are at the moment totally unnecessarily alternate timeline bullshit stories from every character. ok, maybe in further eps or at the end of the season there getting more signifcance but now it´s booooring stuff, in opposite to the island action stuff.

    By the way, The New Bad Locke is sooooo damn better than the old role what terry o´quinn had to play, honestly i didn´t like him in past season, ok not really much, but now I LOVE him acting the bad mother….r, he´s perfect and right now he is my favourite character. When im thinking of Jack the pussy, Kate the annoying b i t c h, ect..etc…! I would love to see more from desmond or at least sawyer, jin….etc…!!!

    Wow, here in europe its already sunday so only a few days to go till the new eps called “Dr. Linus” i think, so a Ben centric. I have a feeling, don´t know why but i think it won´t be that good, ohhhh.. i reallllyyy hope NOT!!!! Hope to see again the asshole Ben Linus, would be again a very enjoyable episode!

    and a good news for me. my pc is working again and so i can sit now at home again and write convenient here my thoughts/post!!

    so you guys will hear more from mee as in the last time…

    who cares, right

  111. C.P.L wrote:

    ”Wow, here in europe its already sunday…”

    Hey man, where are you???? On the island? SUNDAY????

    I’m still on friday…Glad you are back.

  112. CPL… FUNNY AND I AGREE… EXCEPT FOR FTGURING WHO IS GOOD OR BAD.

  113. thats what i said anna lucia is the ex

  114. Hi all,
    it is difficult to call Jacob good, since it seems that the part of the job he offered Dogan, was to kill anyone who finds the Temple – very good and kind manners indeed. So I think neither MIB nor Jacob cares about men’s life – for them peoples are only means for their goals….

  115. Jonathan……oh man, thanks for correcting, i wannted to say it´s satarday of course and not sunday!!! haha

    Maybe i have Island fever..

  116. … some common observation: why do these guys – MIB&Jacob needed conventional peoples for their affairs – only just they can not kill each other directly ??? – I that case they are both killers – i.e. bad guys. What is your opinion ?

  117. roman….right, MiB couldn´t kill Jacob by himself, so he needed an other person for doing this. We don´t know if for Jacob the same rule applies but MiB is def a killer and not only because he can turn into the smoke cloud, he is just bad or at least he is bad because he has no other opportunity! I mean i would have been pissed off too when somebody or something “banished/trapped” me on an undiscovered unique island in the middle of nowhere!!

    So as i understand this whole Jacob vs MiB stuff i am assuming that MiB was trapped because of Jacobs life. Now after his death MiB was no longer trapped, he was nearly free, till he killed the temple others and so he is now totally free. Dogan life was just for protecting the people inside the temple, so aslong he lived MiB couldn´t enter, whatever the reason was. Jacob protected nearly all the people on the island, or at least the others and temple others, without the losties which are now hunted i believe.

    Hey another question. What´s up now with the “normal” others. Who is their leader -Richard-? Not that i am interested to see what these peasant are doing in the jungle, but however would be interesting to see them once again….

  118. CPL:… for me it seems that DharmaInitiative was led by a MIB&Co – that is why they had some extra knowledge about the island, but from the scitific point of view, and that is why they knew that for example it is also possible to protect the area from the smokie form by the sonic fence and not only by an ash. And that is why they were at war with “others” – who are people of JACOB and faith (not science);

  119. C.P.L. Before Jonathan corrected you re the “it is Sunday here” in Europe comment, I was about to ask you who won the best picture award at the Oscars!!!! But, I guess we all knew that you meant Saturday (LOL).

    As for your analysis in post 116, that is great. I never considered the fact that Jacob might have arranged it for MIB to be stuck on the island through some scamming. That could go a long way of explaining why he asked Jacob if he knew how much he hated him. So now that the last thing that kept him on the island is gone (the temple and its guardian), he can go home.

    Roman- good question as to why Jacob and MIB need regular people to do their business. We’ll just add that to the list of 1000 questions and hope it gets answered!!!!

  120. roman…

    I really don’t want to open this up but must…. Why does God and the Devil need peoples affairs???

  121. Maybe Jacob needs MIB to be on the island because the MIB somehow keeps the island and island

  122. TL…..i am horrible forgetful, so sometimes i am mistaken things! but that´s funny tho..

    i am not from the US so i am not really interestet in the Oscars, but the winner is ??….Totallylost…; for being always the first conversationalist to everyone on this site, congrat. and keep it on girl..
    LOL

  123. OK guys I start now with this topic too!!

    Religion, the bible, jesus…etc…———- LOST????

    i am not religious and i would be happy if the story goes “normal” on, otherwise i wouldn´t have any problems if not..

    religion gives films just always an unrealistic touch..

    END of this Topic!

  124. C.P.L. No, you are the real winner. And Adam too as he got 6 votes in Scot’s pole, so he is definitely good!!!!

  125. Jakob obviously wants Losties to be back on the island. Richard tells Locke that he need to die to bring them back and Christian helps Locke to get out from the island. Does this mean Christian and Richard are/were on the same side or just both wanted the Losties back for different reasons? If Jakob knew that Locke would die, why didn’t he anticipate the raise of MIB?

  126. Hey all,

    I know its been a while, but who the hell can tell who is good or bad. This show is confusing the hell out of me right now.

    Good to see you are all still on the site here. Im gonna try to be more involved from this point forward…..gotta read a lot of your past posts to get caught up though.

    Cheers!

  127. Moohaha- WTF??????

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