The Substitute Sneak Peek – Episode 6.04
OK, so the previous episode, “What Kate Does” was certainly lame in my opinion and most everyone elses. Lets put it behind us and trust Damon and Carlton know what they’re doing. Here’s the first clip of next week’s episode entitled The Substitute.
Locke’s back at the box company..for a little while anyway.
Also, Damon doesn’t like it when you bad mouth Lost.
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wow… I laughed out loud at Damon… absolutely hilarious, and 100% true. Even Jack’s tattoo episode in season 3 was better TV than most of what is on these days…
Thanks for posting Scott. And for the website!!!!
I am ready already!!!!
Thanks Scott! I’m ready for this one. Looks 100 times better than last weeks.
Am I missing something? What Kate Does wasn’t THAT bad, it certainly didn’t approach the dreadfulness of Some Like It Hoth or early Season 3.
I quite liked Dr Ethan’s cameo, the way it mirrored his mission on the island, especially his “I don’t want to stick needles in you” line, and it’s obviously a hint of what’s ahead with other Others, plus Faraday, Miles etc, who escaped the island for whatever reason.
It’s also good to finally find out what happened to Claire after the cabin scene, even if she has gone native and “evil”. And the Sawyer moments were pure gold, from his ring-chucking to his description of Sayid as “an Iraqi torturor who shoots kids”. I get the feeling he’ll be going the way of Sayid, Claire and Locke before long…
Granted, next week’s episode looks great in comparison (what Locke-centric ep isn’t?), but keep things in perspective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQKeIcCHi90
Here’s another sneak peak I was able to find. It definitely looks like a winner. We all know of course Sawyer probably won’t find out the answer but it does look good.
One thought i had is maybe they (Jacob & MIB) need someone to set them free, so to speak. Sort of help them to die or let go so they can go home. Like they’re imprisoned to continually walk the earth until they find that one person who is pure to themselves to release them.
Could that be the challenge to each one to see who abandons themselves to do what is right?
Just some early morning thoughts since I’m trapped in snow hell.
Richard, i am sorry to tell you that here is 41 degrees celsius!!!! I dont know how much is it in farenheit, but its so hot!! My ankles are sweating.
About the infection, we’ve been hearing about it forever, and now again.
Those who are infected are dead?
I mean, the infection is sort of a posession of a dead body by some other dead person spirit?
Like Rosseau’s husband, Claire, Sayid?
If Sayid was Jacob, why would those others kill him?
They seemed to be in Jacob’s side.
Why would they be in big trouble if he died, like the note from Jacob said? Did they know something evil could happen with his body?
Is Sayid the Man in Black? I dont think so either.There wasnt a double of Sayid, like there was one of Locke.
I have to say that Kate is by far the most boring character of lost.I dont give a damn what happens to her.
Hello,
I am also trapped in snow hell. I was wondering if the time is the same for both realities. The plane group is actually three years earlier. When the bomb blew up, everyone obviously bounced back to the present. So are they in the present present, meaning three years ahead of the other reality?
I also thought that maybe the island reality is also different than it was before the bomb.
Anne
jonathan – please enjoy the sunshine for me. The infection is a good mystery maybe it’s between the life and death. We’ve never seen Claire die and Sayid wasn’t dead until he was submerged in the water and then Miles couldn’t get a reading off him. It could be the one’s who haven’t chosen the black or the white….
Anne Richardson- there is an assumption that they are however, Sun was in 2007 when the plane crashed and the others went to 1977. If they are all on the same time then I assume it’s 2007. We saw when in the temple the rocket went off Sun and Ilana saw it but we haven’t seen the two groups together.
I hope Jin finds Sun soon. Of course I’ll be jealous but what can I do.
Anyone ever see the Star Trek TNG episode “Cause and Effect”? its the one where the ship and crew are stuck in a time loop for 17 days and each day ends with them colliding into a ship that’s also been stuck in the loop for 80 years.
It has a TON of stuff in common with Lost. time loop… a special number that data uses to set them free, each day in the loop people hear ‘whispers’ etc.
I don’t think sayid is jacob or MIB…maybe he is whidmore he is def not jacob or MIB…or Desmond (sorry jason it just doesnt make sense).
Locke episodes are great. In the US they replay the previous weeks episode before they play thew new episode. But they replay them with these subtitle type things that explain the scene and give hints as to what things are or mean. I think it is helpful to understanding the previous weeks episode. So in the US from 8pm – 9pm they play old one and then the new episode at 9Pm. Do they do that for everyone else?
Richard –
I just checked out the other sneak peak. Unless he finds out this episode why he is on this island then that sneak peak is a **** tease. I’m so interested yet so frustrated! Damn you Lost!
adam- It’s been a tease since the second episode, we want to know why, what how……. God it’s been an awesome ride… most of the time. Except for this weeks episode….. and one or two more…..
I read this site all the time. The shit you guys come up with, is really great. I have theories of my own that I just keep to myself and I just wanted to say that I think you all have a lot of balls to put everything you think out there for all of us to read. Keep it all coming!
Richard7769- re post 5. That is a great thought about both MIB and Jacob needing others to free them or help them. When I think of these all powerful deity types I see them as being in control independent of everything. So, the fact that these guys are using others reveals that they are not all that (even if they think so).
I always assumed that the purpose of Jacob and MIB was to preserve the island from outsiders. But, given that MIB said he wanted to go home it has me thinking. Maybe each of them have to complete a mission before they are released, and the island or how it is used is just a small part of that mission.
Maybe they did some bad stuff to people in the past and part of their redemption is to help or fix others. I mean each of the losites desperately needs some fixing, and especially the 06. In fact, each of them are a mess– they each have huge daddy issues, some are murders (sayid, kate and sawyer), they have relationship issues, they have been used and abused, and the list goes on. Disaster.
So as this mystery unfolds I will be looking more at why the losties are involved in this whole scenario, how Jacob or MIB can affect that, and what they need for redemption. We shall see.
About that sneek peek Richard7769. I am again going with Adam. Sawyer will go with Fake Locke, and instead of getting an answer as to why he is there, there will probably be 10 more bloody questions.
Sigh . . . . I am frustrated too.
I will point out though, that Locke does not look scary in that clip. Instead there is a certain comforting zen-like aura about him.
Come now y’all….. that’s southern for you all….
… MIB is about to play “con” the “con”…. He already “manipulated” the “manipulater”…Ben to get what he needed. Now he has moved on to Sawyer.
I for see Sawyer getting played….Ben later tag teaming with Sawyer to get MIB. My fun theory for the day.
Adam…MIB…WIDMORE…!!!! Hmmmm and that makes sense..??? Well thinking about it in a way it does! Coupled with Des being Jacob since Neither really got along in the first place. Eitherway…remains to be seen. I’m still sticking with Des being affiliated with Jacob in some way.
kbrulz….. share….please….share!!!!
I watched NCSI….atleast it put me to sleep….after last weeks episode gave me a headache!!!!
Ross…I HAVE SEEN THAT!!!! DAMN I FORGOT ABOUT THAT! THANK YOU!!!
Whatever happens will happen. Kate ended up with Aaron on the island and in the alternate reality she again will end up with Aaron. He is commenting on the multiple levels of reality that go on simultaneously-Kate had to adopt Claires child-even on the other level
Thanks for the laugh Jason: con the con, and manipulated the manipulator. Too funny
I am guessing that you are assuming that MIB is bad. I am no so sure. Jacob may be the real scammer.
Am i missing something? Sayid is def not jacob or MIB!!! He is INFECTED!!!! I thought thats clear! Also Desmond isn´t jacob, come on guys!!!! The state of play is that Locke = MIB, Jacob = dead for now, but he will return somehow, for sure!!
Adam…i believe the same as you. In the alternate reality everyhting (at least most or a few things) will come together again as it was before the incurrence of a new reality. i.e. Kate and claire´s unborn aaron…
When jacob died the water in the temple became dark. I am assuming that now the water is not resurrecting/healing people anymore, no it´s infecting people because MIB is now in charge after jacob´s dead. I also think that the water healed people which belonged to jacob, now it changed and it´s infecting people which are belonging to MIB. Maybe all the infected people belong to MIB which is the smokemonster and they are the evilness of the island. So that could be the war everyone was speaking last season from, especially Widmore!
…just a thought guys..
And a very interesting thought at that C.P.L…
The temple pool becoming dark is definitely integral to what’s going on here, seeing as they mentioned it so prominently in the “Previously, on Lost” bit at the start of the ep.
Smokey/MiB/Locke/Esau/Whateverthefuck is trying to go “home” and the Others are suddenly barricading the gates, so it’s clear he’ll be attempting to bust in at some point. My guess is he’ll be using Sawyer for this – the con getting conned… whether he “infects” him like he did with Claire (when he took the form of Christian) or just tricks him into doing what he wants like he did with Ben remains to be seen.
Here’s my wishlist for future episodes:
Richard Alpert flashback episode. For the love of God.
Hurley attemptly conned by Sawyer flash-side episode.
Jack fixes Locke and the two become best buddies flashside episode.
Charlie and Mr Eko meet in jail and form a funk band flashside episode.
Libby and Anna Lucia meet, fall in love and murder Michael for being annoying then adopt Walt flash-side episode.
Ben Linus is the President Of The USA flashside episode.
That was fun! Let’s have your ideas…?
sayid is not jacob or desmond or any of that.
Jason –
I’m not saying Whidmore is Sayid makes sense I just don’t see why Desmond is Sayid makes sense either.
This one’s for you Jason-
This is kinda what I’m thinking for how this all ends on the island. Locke goes back in time when he turns the wheel. Whidmore is there and tells him there’s a war coming. I read somewhere, (don’t remember if it was here, or somewhere else) someone saying that Locke is recruiting people to join his side. I think the war will be between the “Infected” (Claire, Locke, Sayid, Sawyer(?), the dude from the Ajira flight that Ben shot, and who the hell else knwos) versus “Non-Infected” (Jack, Kate, Jin, Hurley, and the others). Damon & Carlton have said Vincent is the only character that will 100% not die. I think they have this big war and everyone…everyone is dead on the island, except Vincent. And the last shot we see is that damn dog sitting on the beach by himself.
Jacob said, “it only ends once, everything else is just progress”. Maybe the progress is them building their armies to do this war, and this is the End Game. Jacob and MIB have fought before, but neither side won, but with the loopholes and what not, it’s a whole new way of fighting the war. As far as how the off island reality ends, I have no clue. Does this make any sense to anyone but me?
- Now, how the hell does Walt fit into this? You can’t waste 1 1/2 seasons on this kid and have it just go away can you?
Kbrulz…
NO, they cannot waste those seasons about Walt. it’d be a serious crime to Lost fans. I love how when the writers are asked “is walt coming back??” they answer: “well, he’s getting taller and older, it’d be great to figure out a way to get him back on the show”.
Thats a total crock. Him being tall and older didnt stop him from being in seasons 4 and 5 here and ther. They know 100% whether or not he will be back, they just arent saying.
He will be back…
CPL- How are you??? That is an interesting theory about the water. However, when I think back to Claire and Danielle, there was no indication that they were ever exposed to the water, or even in the temple, so I am not sure if that is what is infecting the folks. In any event is seems like the water only just turned from being clear.
I heard what Dogan said about Claire to Jack, but that guy is shifty, and they may be the bad guys for all we know.
Kbrulz (what the hell does that mean??). Anyway, thanks for the laugh of a visual of Vincent sitting on the beach alone. And, I agree that we are not done with Walt.
Karen, Moohaha, Biglostfan, Lolo and Wolowitz-WHERE ARE YOU??????
Totallylost-
kbrulz is my email address. My name is Keith Brown, and the rulz part is supposed to mean, rules. so it’s kb “rules”. I’ve had the email since high school and I just use it so I don’t have to remember a bunch of different ones.
Ross-
I have seen all the same things with the producers in regards to Walt. It was just a looming question in my head, because they have given us some insite on certain topics with this show. But, with Walt, they just clam up. Which makes me think they don’t even want to touch the subject because when he comes back, it’ll be huge. Maybe he will be sitting on the beach with Vincent…
Here’s what makes no sense about Walt….
We saw him dripping wet appearing to shannon and saw him tell Locke that he has work to do, and the show makes us assume he’s a ‘vision’ or “claimed” as Dogan would put it….
But he didnt die on the Island… he went home safe and sound with his dad, right??
Everyone else that has popped up on the island in a weird way like that has been dead and assumed to be ‘claimed’(Christian, Boone, Locke, Alex, etc)… except Walt. hmmmmmmmmm….
Is it possible that Dogan has been on the island for a long time as well? Could he be Pierre Chang’s father?
Walt was special before he ever got to the island.
kdrulz…
very interesting theory!!!
Totallylost….
I think neither MIB or Jacob are good or bad… I feel they are consumed with each to the extent of all else. No one, nothing matters except their agenda. The seasons have actually shown the extreme selfish that Jacob possesses over people. Over the seasons MIB (Smokie) has shown judgement and manipulation.
This is one reason I feel the island is under water because neither wins or neither loses…
However….how that factors into my Desmond theory remains to be seen.
I usually like Locke episodes, think this one might be a bit more interesting that episode 3. we’ll see next week !
Hey !!
I have always shared a little but I am a frequent follower for all the chats here.
About season 6, I think it is very poor -till now- compared to the previous seasons.
However, regarding the infection, the japanese guy told Jack that it happened to Claire as well. So, and here is the point, that means that Claire died when the house exploded ?
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im pretty sure that is what he meant. either that or she lived or she caught the “infection” somehow which i think is why she ended up with christian. he is obviously dead so you prob need to have died or be dying to get the infection….just a guess tho
Adam… good point… because with Daniella… her crew caught the infection but yet the baby dady was shot in the head. So if he was already dead, how would he die again? So I feel the dead or on the way to die assessment is good.
hey Jason
I dont think we’re talking about the same kind of infection that killed Danielle’s crew. I mean those guys were sick. Claire seems all healthy, i guess the infection the chinese meant was something in the soul, like the black smoke. Also, let’s not forget that Claire was manipulated by the others, who knows what treatment/experiments they did with her.
My guess is the so called infection is just an evilness inside that allows you to see the dead or so. In my view, Hurley’s got it too
I agree with Karen that there are two kinds of sickness. I also think back to when Desmond was taking shots to prevent sickness. And although I cannot remember at this moment what Kelvin said it was for, I don’t think it was to protect him from evil spirits infecting him. I think it was to protect him from whatever thing on the island that made Danielle’s crew sick.
WE NEED ANSWERS DAMMIT-NOT MORE QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think after this weeks episode I would feel should start us on a path to answers. Let’s face it if the writers just gave it to us we would be even more upset than a few more questions.
Then we wouldn’t have this great forum(thank you Scott) and each other.
Tomorrow airs the new episode. Locke centrics were mostly good, very informative!! Honestly i expected this season will have only good episodes, but i was already disappointed. I bet we´ll be seen Ben again, he´s always playing in Locke centrics too!! I also hope to see something about Desmond again. It´s been a long time he had his last centric!
T-lost, Karen….I don´t believe there are two kinds of sickness. It´s just A sickness as Dogan mentioned, which becomes stronger and stronger till it infects your heart, then you are over, an undead or something similar. That would be a way to much to have also different diseases on this complicated island.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuCEOpC_ALE&feature=related
for all my Lost family here is something VERY INTERESTING.
He said you have to figure out what # to divide it by first? Have you tried to figure this out Richard?
No I’m gonna try it tonight when I get home….. if I get home…… I really hate snow right now.
could it just be a gag that the writers r pulling?? that seemed kind of staged. there are only a handful of words that can be spelled with a calculator. 1 of them is asshole….which is what we may feel like at the end of this!
the guardian (or one of the guardians) of the temple is the guy (Aldo) that guarded the place where Karl was being held and being brainwashed (Lost season 3, episode Not in Portland). so why is this guy now a Temple other ?? are then the temple others and the other Others all the same ??
hey richard, that’s cool thanks. again the writers give answers but raise questions, again! what the F*** can we divide this number with to obtain the final word of the season (which im sure will be LOST, duhh). im not amusing myself discovering that…
ADAM!!!! LOLOLOL I REMEBER DOING THAT!!!! LOL IN LIKE 3RD GRADE, THINKING IT WAS THE FUNNIEST COOLEST THING EVER! DID IT ON ONE OF THE FAT TEXAS INSTRUMENT CALCS.
Here is a link to a list of calculator words….
I am going with “LOSS”… or “hELL”.
I like yours better Adam… you still have me laughing over your last post.
This Season seems really forced to me. Like “We have a timeline people” Ive always felt like watching lost is like jerking off for an hour without climax… Reason for the two timelines- So Kate can end up with sawyer and jack. That way no one can bitch. I fell asleep duing the kate episode, they should have left Claire dead but, she has lost some wieght since moaning at the bedside of arron. hELLhOLE
I forgot to post the link earlier…
http://www.langmaker.com/calculatorwords.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQGzTYymZT0
Here is AL TRAUTWIG’s thoughts on last week’s episode.
This is where I’m still confused, when Sun and Ben landed on the island it was 3 years later so that puts them in 2007 while the others went back to 1977. When Juliete smashed the bomb they went forward and supposedly are with everyone in 2007. The plane should be in 2004 because nothing happened. How are they flashing sideways?????????
Jason, Jonathan, Adam, Totallylost someone help please.
For the calculator word that the show apparently will end on, I think I’m going to go with 707. Which is “LOL” upside down.
I picture it being played out using Kbrulz’s theory on Vincent sitting on the beach. As the camera pans out, you hear his thoughts – “We didn’t answer half of the questions you were hoping for. LOL”. The End.
Hey guys I know this has probably been posted already but here is the 815 crash in real time.
It’s really pretty good. Enjoy. Less than 10 hours away BRING IT ON!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKcKtjrL5bc
Richard,
I guess that the massive electromagnetic field on the island causes a change in spacetime and then time there passes much more slowly than normal time in outside world.
Remember when Locke met Whidmore in Tunysia, the spoke about that time difference of their last meeting on the island.
At some point the timelines will converge, i am pretty sure about that…
When Juliet said it worked, maybe she could see a different timeline, like Desmond could, also because of the explosion of the swan.
The island is on a loop, so every time its changed in someway(just progress)it may create a slight different reality, till it finally ends ( it only ends once).
Mock my theory if you must, Scott. Take away the Vincent part, and it’s not any more far fetched than a lot of things I’ve read on here. But really, would you be surprised if something like this were to happen? Matthew Fox said in an interview this summer that he knew how the show was ending. And, he said the last image is what he thought it would be all along. I’m not saying it’s gonna be the stupid dog theory. But, if he’s right, are we all looking too damn hard for the answer? I still think they’re all gonna be dead.
Wasn’t trying to mock your theory. I just thought the image of Vincent sitting there smiling on the beach was funny, so I figured I’d build on it.
They’ve said they are all alive, and that its all actually happening (its not taking place in Hurleys imagination). But you never know, they could just be saying that to keep the ending a surprise.
At this point, I’ve learned not to ever discount anyone’s theories because no one ever knows for sure how the shows gonna turn out each week. That’s why we made this site – because I love hearing everyone’s thoughts. So keep em coming.
No, I know you weren’t really mocking me. I don’t think they’re dead now, I think they’ll be dead at the end of the show because of the war that Whidmore talked about. I thought about something someone else said, that they think there will be two endings, one on-island, and one off-island. I think the one on the island will be totally crazy with everyone dying and then the off island one, will have everyone living happily ever after…A cheap way to give everyone what they want.
I just got finished watching tonight’s episode and WOW what an event. I’ll post more tomorrow. I have to watch it again here in a few minutes.
CRAP my head is spinning.
don’t take the flash sideway to literally. it just means they are showing the two timelines as they run paralell. One is with the bomb going off and getting them to land safely and the other is if they didn’t land.
these 2 timelines will def intersect at some point for sure…no doubt about it.
I also just finished this weeks and it was good. locke episodes always are!
Holy SHIT!!!!
DAMN GOOD EPISODE!!!!! ON SO MANY LEVELS… AM I GETTING CONNED BY MIB!!! I AM STARTING TO FEEL SORRY FOR THIS GUY…
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER!!!!!
We saw MIB crossing the names out! I think it was the names have been crossed out by MIB not Jacob.
Also…. My new theroy atleast on the last scene..
Jack does surgery on John and fixes him
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER!!!!!
Was the boy Aaron???
And how about that speech Ben gave about Locke…LOL too funny!
I LOVE LOST!!!!!!! I WISH I COULD WATCH THIS AT THE SAMETIME WITH AAAAALLLL OF YOU!!!! PLEASE COME TO ATLANTA ON A TUESDAY AND LETS WATCH…. ALL INVITED!
SORRY FOR THE EARLIER MISSPELLING EVERYONE… I AM JUST SO EXCITED AND NOT TAKING MORE TIME TO FIX TYPOS… PLEASE FORGIVE.
Jason- I can’t wait to get to this site to see your episode reactions!!!! That’s always good stuff!!!!!
I have been traveling and have a bit of jet lag (got home 1/2 hr before the episode), so at the moment, I can’t say that the episode blew me away, or even answered some of the gazillion questions I have. I am, however, very perplexed as to who is Jacob and who is MIB, and who the hell is good or bad. So, I am going to sleep on it, recover, re-watch in the a.m., and then comment.
Until then my fellow losties!!!!!
Sorry- One last thing.
Spoiler Alert:
WHERE THE HELL IS THE NUMBER FOR KATE????????????????????
So each number on the Valenzzetti equation is related to a character…We still dont know why…
But there are other numbers and other peoples’names…I got this online:
Oceanic
Alive
8 – Reyes
15 – Ford
16 – Jarrah
23 – Shepard
42 – Kwon (Jin or Sun? Both?)
313 – Littleton (Claire? Aaron?)
Dead
195 – Pace
4 – Locke
Others
10 – Mattingley
317 – Cunningham
117 – Linus (Roger? Emily? Ben?)
55 ? – Burke
Dharma
??? – Goodspeed (Horace? Olivia? Ethan?)
134 ? – Chang
French Team
? – Lacombe
Freighter
Lewis
Faraday
171 ? – Straume
US Army
233 – Jones
Undetermined
222 – O’Toole
291 – Domingo
346 – Grant
Partial
33 – XW?
20 – Rouf…
62 – …?
90 – Tr(oup?)
…? – …ersen
285 – Jen…
49 – …chan
30 – …la
195 – …?
?? – Reyno(lds?)
27? – …?
1? – Sullivan
…? – …zki
The ashes around Jacob’s cabin…are the ashes of the ones who came before him as protectors of the island on the loop? Ilana got his ashes in the cave…
The candidates cant be killed by Flocke and Jacob? That little boy was refering to Sawyer when he said Flocke couldnt kill him by the rules…
Richard-post 55…
Won’t real time catch-up with island time… Like when the Doc on the freighter got his throat slit?
Agreed TL, why isn’t Kate’s name one of the numbers, however it showed her being visited by Jacob. There is something up with that
I had a feeling that Sawyer would see through the New Locke (i.e. know that he wasn’t the same) because as a con man I guess that is part of his strengths. So true though how he put it. Locke always seemed scared or unsure of himself, MIB isn’t.
Jonathan mentioned “So each number on the Valenzzetti equation is related to a character” do you think that the there is a count down happening as people on the list come to the island. Could it be a count down to the war, or to the end or even both. As Jacob mentioned on the beach “It only ends once, everything else is just progress”.
So MIB was once a man and is now trapped on the island. Trapped on the island part is no shock but the fact that he was once a man was pretty interesting.
MIB told Saywer there are 3 choices
Do nothing.
Perform Jacob’s job.
Just go.
This implies that they do have choice and freewill. Yet MIB has just told him that since Jacob visited he hasn’t actually had choices and that everything was just a series of events to lead him to the island.
Great episode. I had a big smile on my face the whole time.
I’m not sure island time will catch up.
They were rescued after 108 days on the island and the oceanic press conference happened according to that timeline.
Also when they go back to the the island on flight 316 (the second one) Sawyer asks how long its been for them and they say 3 years, the same as what it was for Sawyer.
There is something up with time on the island just I don’t think that the two timelines will converge unless there is some sort of additional time travel.
Also, in this time loops that happen on and off the island, maybe after the loop ends, and once it begins again,people can remember some of the past timeline, in a kind of a deja vu way or unconsciously, in different levels of memory.
That could explain the drawing hanging on the wall made by young Locke when visited by Richard to test him.
There was a smoke monster drawing there . At the time i asked myself how could Locke as a child know about smokie.
The explanation could be that since Locke was taken by the smoke monster on and on in a timeloop, once it started again he had some sort of memory of that.
Or in the pilot episode when Jack opened his eyes and ran exactly in the right direction to the beach…
In LA X, they showed Kate looking at Jack when she was hijacking the taxi, it was a weird look, as she knew him.
Jack could have remembered Desmond from that time they met on the stadium stairs, or, maybe that meeting didnt happen in that timeline of LA X , and Jack had a recollection of Desmond from one timeloop…
Its worth watching that meeting of Richard and Locke again. It definetely has a meaning…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmKcKiz05Ns
Tell me what you think , what was that test about?
Memories of previous lifes?
Why Richard was disapointed about the items Locke chose?
That knife was the same we saw Flocke taking from the ground in The substitute?
In that little glass, was it sand or ashes?
What about the other objects, who they belonged to?
I did think it was interesting that Kate didn’t have a number. Hope it means she will die.
i forgot about that richard said which of these belonged to you already.
Have you ever said “It must have been in another life”
Maybe they are all living life for a 2nd, 3rd, or 8th time. In each life they are brought to the island but never accomplish what they are suppose to, but do make progress. Which may explain owning an item already. So maybe in a previous life John owned the compass and sand.
IDK…
Sorry for so many posts todays, its a holiday in Brazil…
This scene shows the Book of Laws, one of the items showed by Richard to Young Locke.
Ecko gives the book to Locke in the Swan and tells him a strange story…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nK339Yzp4U
hey jonathan
feliz carnaval !!!
ok so i just watched this episode which i thought was much better than the last one. It did answer some questions, at long last ! we now know that the smoke monsters is MIB for sure, rival of Jacob (this being quite symbolic when Locke and Sawyer came to the cave and Locke threw away the white stone – kinda “the evil have triumphed” – very symbolic!).
in the cave there was KAte missing, she also encountered Jacob when she was a kid.
What’s the deal with the little boy?? reminded me of someone but just cant pinpoint it…
Jonathan, post 69 – where did you get these from ??? pls explain
Jonathan, thanks for those interesting links.
1) i dont know what that test is about, if it was about JL’s previous life then of course the knife was the right answer! that item clearly had belonged to him, just as say the compass. Why does Richard get so upset about it ? Hypothesis: maybe this visit happened in time, RA wanted to verify that Locke was still locke and hadn’t been yet possessed by MIB. And so he wasnt in fact disappointed but happy. otherwise, maybe he would have liked john to become someone else, not a hunter or a faith man, but someone else… but hey, make a little effort in that case!
2) although the book is the same one, i dont see the liaison… its 2 separate stories, john’s life and the orientation video. Eko’s story is quite interesting though
Cor. A truly great episode, instant top ten, and I get the feeling they’re only going to get better…
Spoilers etc.
So much happened over the course of the forty minutes it’s hard to know where to start – the candidates, the numbers, Ben the teacher (who seems like a total loser btw), smokey being “stuck this way”, smokey and Sawyer seeing the kid and Richard NOT, the list goes on and on. I hope the writers pace their revelations, there’s only so much WTF I can take in one ep…
Most stuff’s already been covered in previous chats, but there’s still lots left over, starting with alternate Locke. Not only is he still with Helen in this reality, but he’s also close enough to his dad to invite him to their wedding. Which begs the question – how did he end up in the wheelchair in this reality?
This is something I’ve been puzzling over since S6 Ep1: if the island ceased to exist when Juliet’s nuke went off, how come so many of the alternate characters’ lives are more or less as we remember them? Locke’s was the hardest to explain, as it seemed as if Jacob’s touch had kept him alive after his crippling fall – if Jacob was never there, how did Locke survive? Now it seems as though the lack of the island and Jacob in their pasts have even more of a far-reaching impact than I’d thought.
But then, Jacob wasn’t around for the other candidates’ defining moments either. So Sawyer never wrote his letter, Kate never learned that stealing was okay if you were cute, and so on – all those manipulations Smokey mentioned. Man, I need to watch this one again…
Other great stuff: Rose’s little speech to John, Smokey shouting “Don’t tell me what I can’t do” at the kid (is Smokey taking on John’s characteristics?), Of Mice & Men being “After my time” and Frank’s “weird funeral”.
I really hope The Substitute marks the opening of the revelatory floodgates, ‘cos if they keep going at this rate, they might even be able to tie the whole show off neatly.
Richard is pissed that he didn’t choose the compass because Locke gave it to him when they were flashing through time. That’s how Richard knew to be there when John was born, as well. He wanted him to choose the compass to validate him being special. He told Jack (when they were dismantling the bomb) that he had visited John several times and he didn’t seem special to him. This was one of those times.
A funny note about last night’s episode; when Sawyer gives Locke a shot, what when he walks over to his couch. It looks like Sawyer shit his pants, he’s got some sort of huge brown stain on his boxers…
jonathan… My GOODNESS MAN SLOW DOWN!!! LOL YOU ARE ON POINT! I feel you are really on to some things here.
One thing that crossed my mind is when we first met MIB, the dialog between him and Jacob. Was that realy MIB in anothers body??? aaaannnddd if so who was that man. If not then oh well.
What also struck me was he mentioned that at one time he was actually in love…..
It would be interesting if the riff between them somehow ties to that and the whole Adam and Eve thing.
Hey folks. I’ve had some time to think. First, kbrulz, I also noted the stain on sawyers pants. I am a girl after all, and thought he was hot until I saw that. Hopefully I will get over it!!!
OK, here are my questions/ comments, which I will break up into 2 posts.
1. Illana. Why the tears in the cave? Did she really care about Bram et all, or was it all about Jacob. Could she be Jacob’s daughter??? Also, how did she know that Jin was on the Island.
2. The Kid. The first time that only Locke saw him he had blood on his arms, but the second time when both Locke and sawyer saw him he did not. Why?? I know that Jason was wondering if the kid was Aaron, but I think it was Jacob reincarnated. Second, the kid said to Locke: “You know the rules. You can’t kill him.” Well, who is “him.” All along I thought that only MIB and Jacob could not kill each other. But now I am thinking that MIB cannot harm those that Jacob touched. That takes me back to season 1 when Kate was chased by smokey, and then in season 3 when she and Juliette were cornered by smokey in the trees. It was like smokey was flashing lights at them at held back from getting them. I mean clearly smokey was strong enough to get to them, but he did not. Is this why???
3. Richard Alpert- How did you like his Ben-like bug eyes. That guy was afraid of MIB, so there is definitely something major about MIB that we will find out.
OK– See the post below for the rest.
Here are the rest of my questions/comments.
Locke off Island- Was it just me, or when Ben and Locke shook hands in the teacher lounge, did Locke flash a devious smile??? For a minute I thought that it was MIB working out his plan, but I don’t know. That smile was NOT right.
Also, John’s comment: “I was once a man like you” Does this mean that mortal’s can become immortal?? Also, for some reason Charles Widmore flashed into my mind,as I think he wanted that immortality, hence the obsession with the island, but could not get it. Clearly immortality is not all it is cracked up to be. Maybe when you become immortal you sell your soul so you are forever trapped.
Locke/Sawyer in the cave- When sawyer asked MIB how they leave the island, MIB said “together.” Well, that tells me that MIB cannot leave alone, so he is conning poor sawyer into being a stool pigeon to help him. I think Jason was right that the conman is getting conned.
Last, can i nitpick?? Please?? OK. When Illana, Ben, Sun and Lapidus were leaving the beach, it was daytime. But they get to the beach in record time while luggin dead weight, as the sun was still sky high. COME ON LOST!!!!!!!!!! On the way to the statute at the end of last season the others walked for hours, stopped to rest frequently, drank plenty of water, and did not arrive until night. In fact John made a speech about how far it was. Sheesh. Last, why lug “ripe” John to the beach for burial? Dig a pit right in the sand and be done with it. What the hell???
Well, that is all for now.
One more thing. This whole thing about being a candidate. When Illana said MIB was recruiting, I immediately thought of her question: “what lies in the shadow of the statute.” May that question weeds out those who have been recruited or who could possibly be a candidate for recruitment, or those who have already chosen a side. I am not sure how Lapidus figures in this as last season Illana said he “might” be a candidate.
By the way, I miss Farady.
Karen, feliz carnaval too!
That was the list of names written on the cave ceiling, wich i got from this site
http://the-odi.blogspot.com/
Dear Kbrulz, post 83:
Young Locke did choose the compass.
Johnathan – I took it as he chose the knife only, and was only looking at the compass and whatever was in the little glass tube. Because the other objects he kinda just looked at and set back down, but he held on to the knife. But, I think you’re right. So, now I am confused as to why Richard was pissed and left.
Adam – I think we all agree and can’t wait for Kate to die. I had more of an emotional attatchment to Juliet and she was on what, 3 seasons? Kate is such a hard character to root for. Mostly because the person who plays her seems like such a gigantic bitch. There’s a group on facebook called, “Vincent should attack and eat Kate”. Pretty funny stuff.
or Jonathan – my bad for misspelling your name
hey guys…def have to agree that this week’s episode was waaay better…in response to the richard/young locke scene, i thought richard was upset because he expected locke to pick the compass. locke gave richard the compass when he was time traveling, and richard didn’t really believe his whole time traveling thing, so locke told him to find him the year he was born. (hence why richard was at the hospital when locke was a baby). maybe richard was trying to figure out the time traveling stuff out with locke and figured he would somehow remember the compass and then got upset when he didn’t pick it.
oops just read post 83…kbrulz i agree!
Only just watched it so only one thing popped into my
head during….
It was Elle Louise Hawking that insisted on Johns body to be put on the plane when they sent them back, do u think shes something to do with MIB ! Cos Ben pooed his pants when John mentioned her which is why he killed him, wasn’t it :O)
Totallylost, I completely agree with you on the Locke burial trek. I know it’s very poetic to take his body all the way back to the original camp and lay him alongside Boon and Sharon and Paulo and Nikki etc, but it just doesn’t sit right, not just because of the time/distance thing, but because Smokey is on the rampage and Sun is still trying to find Jin. She never cared enough about Locke back on the mainland to attend his funeral, Ilana never knew the guy, and Ben killed him! What possible reason have they got to trudge all that way? Just bury him in the sand and run to the temple!
np99:
taken from lostpedia…
Richard was pleased when Locke chose the compass and vial of sand, and smiled slightly as the child considered the book, but Locke ultimately chose the knife. At this, Richard turned cold and left, telling Florence that he was sorry to have wasted their time. (“Cabin Fever”) .
Don’t forget the “Rules” exchange between Ben and Wimore…!!1
OMG ALL of you have hit on all my points! The way MIB took on Locke’s mentality of “Don’t tell me what I can do!”
The kis I believe is AAron but could be Jacob. I did catch the blood on his hands at first but not the second. Wasn’t there a time that Sawyer also saw a dead body in the jungle?
The other, if you go outside you may still hear me laughing at Ben’s comment at the funeral “he was a good man and I’m sorry I murdered him” F’n PRICELESS!!!!!
wasn’t there a book from the black rock that Widmore bought I wonder if that has an influence?
Lastly that has to be MIB cave he knew where everything was… I have to believe that it’s his.
How about Hurley being the businessman of the year…… If I was Locke I would have left that boss a special surprise in his desk before i left.
Mental note to self – If a guy called Richard 7769 ever comes for an interview at my place of work, DO NOT employ him.
Bex- I totally forgot about Eloise and insisting that John’s body get taken back. She might very well be in cohoots with MIB. Maybe MIB needed to use a body that had been “touched” by Jacob for the plan to work, and john was it Time will tell, as I bet we are not done with her yet.
Scoppie- I am laughing, as I forgot that Illana never knew John and Ben killed him, so why the burial. And yes Richrd7769- the Ben line at the gravesite was great.
Richard7769- Why do you think the kid is Aaron?? I was going to say that Aaron was only 4 yrs old and this kid looked 8 or 9, but I am so screwed up with the timeline, who knows.
Last, WHERE THE HELL IS WALT?????????
Scoppie- what animal best describes you?
Totallylost I feel that since AAron was born on the island he is part of the island and therefore he may be the next “leader” or referee so to speak. I can’t really explain it but that’s my thought.
Hello lost fan!
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i got to say i always read your comments is interesting to see what other people think about lost… also i always whant to comment but im soo lazy.. i just suscribed soo ill try to comment with u guys every episode… well this last episodees
im mad because i thought they were going to give us answer right awayy… because lets face it they are like a millian questionss…
jacob or smokey? hows goog or bad?
claire that thing of her being infectedd…
the plain landind at LAX… i think that that is going to happen at the end they all are going home as if nothing happend…
guyss i just subscribed!! my pict should be theree.. i dont understand this thing
can anybody explain…
how do u log in to this site??
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This was a good episode once again! ..damn kate eps..-hope she´ll be killed out soon. This woman rans after Jack & Sawyer from the f?*!ing beginning of this show, now she is after sawyer again, pls stop annoying -b i t c h-
However, you guys are fast, you talked about nearly everything what was noteworthy for this ep.. I can only come up with MiB & Sawyer´s walk through the jungle, what was very interesting. I thought before MiB´s home is on the island at the temple, but now we know it´s not, it´s off island. I read some people are thinking MiB may be the good one and not jacob; but i believe Richards words and he said that MiB will kill everyone, so he is the villain!!
So MiB is trapped on this island, alright but i don´t get it how the WAR will start, i mean if MiB is recruiting people as Ilana said and when he have his army he´ll just storm the temple and fight against the temple peasants!?!?
The cave scene was very insightful, seeing the meaing of the oceanic 6, six people six numbers, without the ones which are already dead. good stuff….and this was def Jacobs cave, MiB just know it.
The part where we saw through the eyes of smokey how he is floating throught the jungle was really COOL!!
I am assuming Ilana is jacobs daughter, she knows just too much about everything and especially jacob!! Although it´s somehow weird to believe about Jacob running around and banging the girls down..lol!
Janeth912…you don´t need to log in on this page, you just have to put you name down under and leave a reply. For the picture visit gravatar.com, should work but i don´t tried it yet.
Oh i forgot.., CANDIDATES?? That´s why everything is about. Our Losties are the candidates for taking over Jacobs job or become a temple leader or just an other leader as john was!! So that´s each ones purpose on the island, to be in charge of somebody or something! The island has to be protected from the outside world otherwise it would be exploit from outsiders. Plausible.
Loved the episode, the comment made on this forum are always almost as entertaining as the show, and i am now living from Lost to Lost with a lot of reading and thinking in between, most of the ideas you all come up with are what makes lost lost…but the best from this episode has to be Bens speech at the funeral…”He was a good man and I’m sorry I murdered him!” I think the candidates are going to side with white and wage war against black…Jacob vs MIB or whaterver?
Richard7769 – I’m a Hurley bird.
From all those names written on the cave ceiling, we can conclude that Jacob has been bringing people to the island over and over again, first the ships and now the planes, trying to find candidates to protect the island …
What i really dont understand is why Desmond doesnt appear more in this show!!
He is by far the most interesting character of all and his episodes are the best!Is there any problem with the actor, maybe?
Last season he almost didnt show up and so far just a glimpse of him…
He is much more interesting than most of the other ones, specially Lapidus, Miles,Kate, Sun, Jin,Sayd, Juliet,Jack…
Faraday was so cool too, as someone mentioned before…
I kept thinking Walt was going to show up in the school when Locke was teaching but it didn’t happen.
I think Eloise could be a good guy. Jacob wanted the people back to the island (good guy), the temple guy wants them there so he can protect them (good guy), Richard protected her in last years finale and called her a leader (good guy), now that Richard is afraid of the “Bad Locke” I think he is a good guy for sure and Eloise sent them back to the island so I think she is good or trying to help.
In last years finale she does have an awkward interaction with Penny who is not her kid but is fathered by her former husband/lover/boyfriend Whidmore. She might not like her because of that.
I hope we get more on Whidmore because he seems to be an interesting character now that the war is seemingly beginning and he predicted that. He also was a Locke supporter before Locke became Bad Locke when he told him all that info in the hospital when Locke hurt his leg coming back.
Ben has never been a good guy in my opinion and I don’t think he is now. He is a manipulator and liar. I don’t think that has changed now. I think he is just laying in the weeds and waiting for his time to attack. I think it will be interesting when he gets to the temple to see what happens since he has been there and has sent a lot of people there to be protected.
I am over my Kate episode rant and I think we are moving in the right direction. I don’t hate Evangeline Lilly cause I think she is a bitch but like someone else said Kate is a hard to root for character. Switching between Sawyer and Jack is a skank move and it has happened so often it’s an annoyance now. She is not a person I would like in real life so it’s tough for me to root for her as a character. She sux….literally.
Jonathan -
Thats what i was saying in a earlier post. Jacob has def been bringing people here for a while. Maybe when they dont end up being protectors they become others? The progress could be that they find someone who serves an
“Island purpose”. Like the asian guy in the temple and richard. they each are obviously there for a reason and fill some kind of need for Jacob.
I think it is odd that both Sawyer and Bad Locke saw the kid. Does that mean that Sawyer is turning to the dark side??
i totally agree with all of you…
kate sucks! where is Waaalt? where the hell is the best and most interesting character _Desmond_? Is Sawyer turning bad or is he just naiv or is he helping us the viewers to get answers!?!? Is Jacob selecting people for hundreds of years again and again and never found one who is taking over his damn boring job?? Is Ben a total loser or is he just waiting for the right moment to come back into the game again? Is Eloise Hawking good or bad or just another bitch on the show? Is Widmore really good or does he wants to take over the whole island for his own -HE COULD-!!?? Was Faraday adopted??
i´m just joking guys so don´t take this to serious..
I just remembered something. Do someone else noticed that when bad locke was talking to Sawyer in the cave about jacob. Sawyer asked him who wrote this on the wall and bad locke answered, “IT was called Jacob”!!! He doesn´t said him so i am assuming jacob is as MiB, but not human!!
if i heard it wrong please correct me, i just watched it once..
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Hey guys Everyone has spoken about why kate was not part of the numbers but did anyone notice that those numbers are “HURLEY’S UNLUCKY/LUCKY” numbers
4-Locke
8-Hurley
15-Sawyer
16-Sayeed
23-Jack
42-Jin/Sun
No more place for Kate!!!! I think these are the main candidates and Bad Locke has to kill these remaining people or persuade them to ignore their destiny to protect the island. What do you guys think…..this is my first ever lost observation……..
i think we all knew the reference to the numbers! if you didn’t you haven’t watched this show…..ever
http://perezhilton.com/2010-02-18-maggie-grace-returning-to-lost
Janeth912…Welcome
Adam… stop making me laugh!!!! In regards to Maggie… I was glad they killed her off.. I hope they do it again!
I said this before and will say it again… MIB and Jacob.
Neither one good or bad… and neither one NOT good and NOT bad. Both are manipulors and users and judgers for their own agenda.
Last scene of Lost… Jack fixes Locke. The End
richard7769… i was thinking the book may have a list of names….
@ Adam
I was just pointing out that no one is reviewing the history of the numbers such as the reason they are on the hatch….. maybe kate’s number is 108…..my point being either kate is unimportant and will be killed off or she is VERY IMPORTANT in the way the plot turns out
Adam- “Switching between Sawyer and Jack is a skank move” I am howling. Thanks for the laugh. Poor Kate.
Post 121: If Kate is the important part of the show everyone will be so upset hahahaha
Jason- the book was from the first mate on the black rock maybe it described how they got there?
Maybe Kate is the queen of the universe? Just kidding.
I still think it’s MIB bringing people to the island to help Jim escape not Jacob. Just because MIB says it’s so doesn’t make it so.
Totallylost Adam, Jonathan, what animal best describes you?
Richard, i guess i would be a bull, born on may 4th.
I think I would be a eagle soaring over the mountains.
I also didn’t mean to exclude anyone what animal would describe you guys?
if you consider the smoke monster an animal i’d be that.
Nigel -
I didn’t mean for that comment to be an attack. I’m just saying the numbers were obvious in that scene. kate’s number being 108 is interesting. I think it would be a good desmond number. after next weeks episode the featured characters are going to be sawyer, ben, richard (can’t wait for that) and jin/sun. i guess everyone’s going to get a flash sideways while things work out on the island.
the writers said there wouldn’t be anymore flash forwards or flash backs. while that is true the flash sideways is to similar to say they aren’t doing that. kind of dick around to say that we wouldn’t get them. kinda fugazi on their part.
id be any animal that sleeps a lot, i guess a cat. odd question tho. are you a therapist? is your next question what song best describes me or how does that make you feel?
lol
Great review on 2/16′s LOST episode at the RAPT website…
http://theraptmagazine.com/film/224-lost-part-two.html
Richard7769- I guess I would be a leopard. Basically I hide in the shadows in perfect camouflage, to stalk and out-think my prey before I go in for the kill. Every woman for herself is my motto!!!!
That is probably what I will do to the writers if they blow off Walt and Desmond this season!!!!!
I had some other thoughts about Sawyer.
First, didn’t the little kid he and MIB saw in the jungle look a lot like the kid who played young sawyer in last years finale??
Second, at first I really thought that Sawyer picked option 3 because he really wanted to get off the island. Now that I am thinking about it again, I think that MIB lying to him about seeing the kid, Richards warning, and seeing MIB crossing out Locke’s name as he was dead, Sawyer immediately knew that MIB was totally no good, and decided to find some purpose by starting the process of conning him to get info to help the others. So yes, there is a new con going on here, and MIB is going to be the victim. Also, I am not buying the fact that Sawyer “was meant to be alone” No, if he could get another crack at Kate, I think he would take it, and if he thought for one minute she was in danger, he would go after her.
TL
Totally agree that I think that Sawyer is trying to con MIB. I think he is can see through the smoke ha.
I also think that it is going to get him crossed off the wall so to speak. seems like MIB can see your thoughts when he is in the Smoke form, then again maybe MIB’s vision is “clouded” as he feels like he is closer to going home.
Oh and I would be a Polar Bear so that I could turn that damn wheel and explain how a polar bear got in the dessert haha.
I was thinking about it and I think that the candidates are probably all there for there specific traits.
4-Locke – Faith
8-Hurley – Innocence or kindness
15-Sawyer – Being able to see a person as they really are
16-Sayeed – (I don’t know) Kid killing torture (as Sawyer put it) or maybe justice
23-Jack – Science
42-Jin/Sun – Love
If all of these traits (and/or characters) could work together then maybe that is the goal and would constitute the end.
Kind of corny I know
Totallylost…
DAMN IT I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING!!!! THAT’S WHY I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE RULES!!!!!
if aaron was part of the 06 then how come he doesn’t have to go back or be apart of all of this??
Jones – that is a bit corny, but Lost is no stranger to the corn…
Kate not being a number is pretty weird. Unless of course Jacob has already decided that she should be the “Bride of Future Jacob”…
By the way, anyone care to bet that women can conceive and give birth on the island now the water in the pool is dark and Jacob is a pile of ash?
The craziest theory ever —-
I will post this a few times so people can get a chance of seeing it because i think it is so interesting that it has to be considered….why the hell not right. It involves some reading but if many of you are like me you will enjoy if nothing else the connections of some 282 TV shows in the past 25 years. It’s actually quite interesting.
We all know that Lost has a lot of elements that appear in it that also appeared in the show Alias. Drive shaft and Oceanic airlines in particular.
I don’t know if any of you have heard of the Tommy Westphall Universe? It’s a theory that many TV shows both past and present are all in the mind of Tommy Westphall. Tommy was a character in the show St. Elsewhere and the final scene is a panning out shot that shows Tommy looking at a snow globe that had the hospital in which St. Elsewhere takes place in it. Tommy is autistic and it is believed by the ending of the show it is assumed that the entire show is a figment of his imagination.
Homocide: Life on the street also has many connections to St. Elsewhere. These 2 shows are the basis for the theory and the Law and Order franchise plays a huge role also.
Here is a link that will get you started from wikipedia.com but you may want to start by reading a bit about St. Elsewhere, The Bob Newhart show, Newhart, Law and Order shows and Homocide: Life on The Street.
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/crossovers.html
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/cross_key.pdf
If you take the time to read about a lot of these shows the better you will understand my insane almost impossible theory. You could spend a whole night looking at all of the different crossovers.
Anyway my theory about the last image of the show could be that we pan off the island in a wide shot only to pan outside of a snow globe and Tommy Westphal is looking into a snow globe of an island. Meaning that this entire show takes place in the mind of an autistic boy. The hypothesis of many hard core TV followers is that over 280 shows have taken place in this boys mind in the past 20 + years.
All you hardcore fans should take a look and some time to look at this.
Richard, Jones, Jonathan, Karen, Tot-Lost, Jason and CPL. Take some time to look at this. Even if you dont like the theory I think as fans of this show and prob others on this list I think you will find it very interesting if nothing else. i’d love to know what you think about the Tommy Westphal Theory not only in regard to this show but overall. It is so f-ing interesting!!
If you read nothing else I write on this website please read my last post….i think it is very interesting and would love to think what the regulars to the site think about it.
Adam, i have to confess that i was quite surprised to read that coming from you, once you usually dont seem very found of this kind of fantastic theories…but i really liked to know that you are!!
It was very fun reading about it…and following your footsteps, i found this arguments that contradict it:
http://tar.weatherson.org/2004/10/04/six-objections-to-the-westphall-hypothesis/
Anyway, if Lost ends up being just a dream, it was worth dreaming it!
I’ve read the contradictions to the hypothesis also and I choose not to believe in them. Mostly because the current writers and JJ abrams seem to be more likely to not believe them and I think they would love to be a part of this TV theory. I think it would be awesome if the end panned out into a snow globe. But I will only like it if it is directly tied to the Tommy Westphall Theory. I’m a huge TV fan. I love old school TV a bit more than today’s shows even though I’m only 30. So if they came right out at the end and said it was part of this overall TV theory i would think it was awesome. Most people will hate it.
Here is a link to read all the connections and how each show connects. Take the time to read it. Lost appears on page 4. Another Mathew Fox show, Party of Five, also appears on the list which is interesting.
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/cross_key.pdf
Jonathan -
I love all the crazy theories out there I love talking about them. I just don’t want it to end in a fashion that is so out there that I can’t comprehend it. If I sit there the day it ends and say What the fuck just happened, I’ll be disappointed. I want to understand how it all ends and how it all connects with everything i’ve watched the past 6 seasons.
The contradiction was written by a psychologist and he uses psychobable to contradict it. His contradictions are based on textbooks and encyclopedia’s and not the free thinking fictional universe that is TV.
Adam– Since this is coming from you, I will give it a shot. While I do not want to date myself, St Elsewhere was one of my all time favorite shows, and I totally remember Tommy. I was blown away when I saw the snow globe, and it worked.
So, because it is you putting it out there and the fact that I know the underlying theory, I will read the above and tell you what I think.
Adam i personally prefer your theorie than the contradiction arguments, i just brought them up for fun.
Interesting to remember than in the series Flashforward the character played by Dominic Monahan ( Charlie from Lost) brings up the Schrödinger’s Cat theory, wich many people say could relate also to Lost.
Check it out-from Lostpedia:
Schrodinger’s Cat and Alternative Universes According to Erwin Schrödinger, “…the consequences of a ‘random’ event can lead to both outcomes simultaneously – until, that is, the event is ‘observed’ and the true outcome becomes reality.” This is known as the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum mechanics and implies that the cat remains both alive and dead (to the universe outside the box) until the box is opened.
Put in LOST terms, the lost people are both on the island (plane crashed) and off the island (plane never crashed) (to the viewer (outside the box)), until someone is able to peer inside and actually see what happened…in other words, one of the lost people is going to have to “open the box” (aka, find a way to see what actually happened) in order to reveal the true reality of the effect of the bomb.
Therefore, the rest of the season will be showing us, the viewer, both POSSIBLE outcomes of what happened when the bomb went off (off the island vs. on the island) At some point someone (maybe Desmond) will have the ability to ‘peer inside the box’ and figure out which reality actually happened as a result of the bomb.
Jonathan -
Add flash forward to the list of linked shows. Since flash forwards played a part in lost it wouldn’t surprise me to see some cross over with FF the show…which i also have been following but not as serious as lost….so i didnt research that theory you mentioned, but it makes perfect sense in regards to both shows.
OK…. I know Desmond said they were all in a damn snow globe. In the context of the show… funny.
If this Westphall theory is true I will be F^#King pissed! One…Because I hated St. Elsewhere. On Sunday nights at that time in my young life I would of much rather been watchin James Bond movies being broadcast on T.V. then being forces to watch St. Elsewhere by my sisters. I hated that damn show! And to think this show….LOST connected to St. Elsewhere… I don’t find funny in fact I am offended by the Arrogance of the theory. How dare they! To fit Star Trek, Fantasy Island, the Jefferson’s, Wild Wild West…. I haven’t even mentioned Welcome Back Kotter, or Barney Miller….all of this “A LIST” shows in the History of television! Shit… They even try to connect I Love Lucy…WTF! Don’t get me wrong Homicide was a good show….BUT FOR ONE AND A HALF DAMN SEASONS! This theory really disturbs me. Again I don’t find it funny. Next thing you know… They will say..(who ever “They” are)…This theory, The Westphal St. Elsewhere couldn’t even come close to the Bob Newheart Show divided by zero will equal….this theory The Westphal St. Elsewhere couldn’t even come close to Bob Newheart Show.
I mean seriously we are talking about St. Elsewhere. Tell you what… take the this interview by Sixers guard Allen Iverson and replace the word “practice” with “St. Elsewhere”.
Forgot to post link…. Again…I mean seriously we are talking about St. Elsewhere. Tell you what… take the this interview by Sixers guard Allen Iverson and replace the word “practice” with “St. Elsewhere”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI
Adam i just readed your theory although is very interesting i dont think this is going to happen in this show… and if u are righttt i think ill be desapointed because i expected something more than this…
about kate not having a number is really weird because although i totally hatee herr she seems to have a big part in the show… I MEANN KATE PLEASEE DECIDEE JACK O SAWYERRR???
also about jin i dont know if u guys also thought about the fact that this guy had soo many bad accident and he always survived… like the time the raft caught fire and when the boat exploted.. and that moment i thought that jin is very butt veryy lucky and speciall..
and when sawyer and smokey when into the cave i thought maybe that was jacob cave because of the way smokey throw a rock in the ocean but when he erased lockes name i thoughtt maybee that hiss cavee and he is just telling lies to sawyer to have him on his team… and do you guys remember when smokey said to ben that he just wants to go homee maybee he wants to get out of the island but jacobs team dont want him to get off the island BEACAUSE NOBADYY CAN GET OFF THAT ISLANDD ! I mean every time they said thet wanted to leave the others tell them that they not supposed to leave !
what about the stewardess what she is doing with the others?? like she is part of them from a long time??
and whyy charlie wanted to kill himselfff???
sorryy my englishhh iss so badddd ! im from venezuela soo sometimes i cant express myself gooddd !
PS. just wanted to say that the caracter played by locke he being smokey noww iss veryyy veryy goddddddd !!! is scaryy i loveee thatt jejejeje
I’ve also noticed in Flash Forward that there is a Oceanic Airlines billboard advertisement in one of the first episodes.
Seems totally possible that this would be something the writers would be interested in doing. A show about connections that connects to other shows.
That’s all i’m saying Jones. The writers Damon and Carlton are def into this kind of thing and JJ Abrams has already proven he loves this kind of thing with Slush-o being in Alias and Lost. Also the Oceanic airlines references in both shows and driveshaft….Charlie’s band. Charlie is also in FF a show I like that already has connections to lost.
I’m not saying this theory is mine, it certainly isn’t. It’s been out there for a while. I’m just saying if you connect it with Lost and the fact they said an Image will be the final thing we see when the show ends, it’s possible. Plus all the other connections. I just put my twist on the theory in regards to the finale of Lost. Shows want a big ending to their show. Every big time show wants an amazing ending. Unfortunately Seinfeld and Soprano’s both sucked.
Newhart’s ending was ranked as the number 1 show ending of all time. And it was pretty awesome. When you put a comedy against drama’s and suspenseful shows and it ranks 1 in terms of ending than that’s pretty cool.
Sorry to keep posting but since coming across this thing this morning my mind is spinning. When FF first aired I thought it was somehow a continuation of Lost or a part of it somehow. I dont think so anymore but it just wouldn’t shock me to find out that when everyone passes out for a minute and a half in FF that it as something to do with the island. Maybe the time jumps they have or the spinning of the wheel. who knows.
Funny, or slight of hand like connection I think is fun to catch. For example when Abrams made Star Trek they had an R2D2 floating in space in a heap of trash. Or Abrams monster in Clover Field had the same noises as Smokie in Lost. Or the Apollo bar being in Heroes….Or many of Tarantinos films make fun connections….. I consider these inside Hollywood pranks in paying omage. Many of these union folks obviously work on each others projects. I don’t see it much different then glueing a coworkers items on thier desk to the top of the desk, or putting a cathup packet under the toilet seat at the job. Or…. just those fun Hollywood pranks. Dont get me wrong Damon and Carlton suck me in with their wittyness and tongue and cheek humor, aaaaannnnddd clever writting, aaaannnnddd knowledge of the T.V. junkie book reading Lost blogger like myself who enjoys string theory solving for “X” creating sculptures aaaaannnddd if he was an animal he would be a dolphin off island shark on island…
But…..
All I am saying little subtlties here and there are fun. But…If they make this whole season WAIT WHOLE SHOW around some looser on some looser show…. I will be upset
Nigel post 121, please dont make me laugh! Kate is not important, she’s kind of a loser! and i think this is a hint that she will soon be killed off. honestly i dont know what she brings to the show anymore
“Who ARE you?
It’s a valid question that Sawyer asks. Sawyer may not know who NotLocke is, but he sure as hell knows who he is not. He knows the man standing before him is not John Locke and he knows this because the real John Locke was always afraid, even when he was pretending otherwise. “But you ain’t scared,” he shrewdly comments. Even drunk, Sawyer knows what’s what. You can’t con a con, right? Score one for Sawyer. Although, in light of the fact that NotLocke was a bit taken aback by the sight of creepy Peter Pan earlier, this assessment may not be entirely true.”
Good 2 part recap on this past week’s ep here:
http://tinyurl.com/yjvon6d
Adam – My wife said the same thing about the black-outs connecting to the flashes in LOST and I thought she was out of her mind. After everything you said, it does seem so ridiculous now.
What if Claire finds out that Kate took Aaron and she gets pissed and kills her? That would be great!
Adam- I just went through the 2 links, and I am blown away. I see why your head has been spinning!!!!!!!I never could have imagined such connections. I especially love the Morley cigarette connections, as I was a huge X-files fan!!!!
It would not surprise me in the least if the final shot was as you theorize, or something close to it. It would in many ways be consistent with the brilliant but very twisted minds of the Lost writers.
Will that happen is any one’s guess. I don’t think that will totally piss me off, as what other logical reason could there be for this island. That would be brilliant if it was all a mind-based fantasy. The bottom line is that this show is so twisted that anything is possible.
As long as I get some damn answers at the end, I guess I don’t care if it was real or fantasy!!!!!
Flash forward takes place 2009 2010
Lost 04 and 07….
They better not change the name of the show to Flash Back to make a connection to Lost.
Jason I do agree that I don’t really think there is to much to it, as you said the people are employed on different shows and things we experience influence the decisions we make every day. Really I think that is all there is to it, either way there are still a lot of questions to be answered in between now and the end, I don’t think I will ever be completely happy with any ending but I do hope they do it justice (which I am sure they will).
Maybe it wont be in the mind of an autistic kid but all in the mind of Theresa, I think her name was, the woman who Daniel tested his experiments on at Oxford Uni. Her mind has to be somewhere.
I cant belive im sayn this but Lost is just ok these days, not addictive like usual!!!
Locke is pretty much on the same path as before, but with such a positive attitude. Even laughing at himself while being covered with water on his own front lawn. He’s getting married too and is alot happier in his life. Is this because his dad is coming to the wedding? Does this mean he’s a better person and didnt steal his sons kidney, nor push him out of a building??? If this is so, how does Locke end up the way he is and is it simply just fate and what is meant to be!!!
I believe the 2 timelines will join up by the end and all will be explained…
I think Kate not having a number was a little weird, ud think the oceanic 6 would all hv one. But i do believe Kate did make her choice, it was Sawyer. Thats y she cried at the end of the dock (last ep) because she realised that he truely loved Juliet and she had lost him forever!!!
Well after this season started I posted a coule of times that maybe we hv it backwards and good and evil is not what it seems. This ep seemed to comfirm that a little more, maybe Jacob is not a nice as we thought, why does he want someone to replace him? Is he really the bad one that wants off the island for good and needs someone to take his place?
Now mr smokey was once a human, who and when would hv been my first question, then how did he become what he is? Did Jacob do this to him? (and thats y he wanted him dead) Was Jacob trapped in the hut (with the ash round it)or was it smokey? Richard and Ben seemed to think it was Jacob, maybe it was and maybe he was trapped there for a reason (thus writting “help me”) to get someone to help him escape!!! I want more answers…and they better be good ones lol!!!