Previews of the upcoming episode entitled The Lighthouse. Hopefully the title means we’ll find out more about Eloise and how that station came to be.
Claire can tie knots as well as Rousseau can. She wants to know where Aaron is.
Jack and his mom are upset they can’t find his fathers will. Jack just says no to alcohol.
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NOW IT MAKES SENSE!!!!!!!! MIB WAS RECUITING CLAIRE!!!!!! MIB WAS CHRISTIAN! WHO THEN TRICKED LOCKE TO GET OFF THE ISLAND AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS CONNECTED TO HIM HAVING TO GET OFF!”
SO….SO…SO… MUCH MORE I COULD SAY BUT WON’T.
heyyy jasonnn maybee you aree righttttttt !! i like your way of thinkingg !
makes senseeee
i like it to. I thought christian was an undead type person like Sayid and Claire are being made out to be but you might be right.
I thought that MIB needed a 06 member to come with him to get him off the island (Sawyer in this case) and to “go home”
Maybe MIB was in the form of Christian and got off through Locke and is now back on the island looking to get off in the form of Locke and is trying to use Sawyer.
Jason please say more, we all know to avoid the posts until Tuesday if you don’t want to read any theories. I think most of us can safely say we are interested in your thoughts.
Plus it’s not gospel, you haven’t seen the episode so you don’t know if your theory will be accurate. So at this point it is a theory, and we are all interested.
That first sneak peak is really nothing. weak. Is this weeks episode centered on jack? Richard episode is like 3 weeks away…can’t f-ing wait.
Hold the presses!!! Jason-WTF??? Don’t clam up now. Speak up!!!! I am confused.
I get what Adam is saying about how MIB might have gotten off the island, but what are you really saying.
Don’t leave me hanging!!!! I AM TOTALLY LOST RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
Erm, guys? I thought everybody had already realised that MiB had appeared to Christian and had lured Claire away. And had appeared to Locke before he turned the wheel, and Michael before he blew up (and to Jack of course, but only ever in the distance).
MiB also appeared to young Ben Linus as his Mum to lure him away from Dharma, and to older Ben Linus as Alex to stop him from killing “Locke”. He also appeared as Mr Eko’s brother to test Eko, to Hurley as Dave to try and make Hurley kill himself (though I’m stumped as to why), and possibly as Walt to make Locke get out of the pit (though I’m stumped as to HOW – MiB can only appear as dead people).
Hasn’t this already been discussed? How MiB has been popping up in different forms to manipulate events on the island since day one? Heck, he may even have taken on the forms of those animals, like Sawyer’s boar, Kate’s horse and our old friend the tree frog… which Sawyer crushed mercilessly… hmm… Sawyer really should watch his step.
Scoppie- yes, I agree that MIB has been appearing through the dead (sans Walt) and possibly the animals. We all know it, and I think that of all people Jason would know that.
Which is why his post above has to mean something else.
Do tell Jason!!!!
Personally, I think that Jacob has been doing a little of the same thing as MIB, although I don’t have specific proof. In fact, for all we know, MIB could have been posing as Jacob off island when he “touched” the 06. We got fooled with dead is dead, so why not get fooled by a fake Jacob!!!!
I swear that I am going to need major therapy after this show ends!!!
i propose the website jasonreview.com
we can all post our theories as to what he means!
My goodness!!! you all are right on top of what I was thinking!!!! Even the animals… Kate seeing the freakin horse. WHAT THE HELL HAS THE HURLEY BIRD FOR I WANT TO KNOW!!!!
Maybe going home for MIB isn’t even off the island… maybe its DEATH!
However, I still feel that was actually Jacob off the island and not MIB. But if it was MIB.. then maybe again. MIB just really wants to die. Maybe there really is no Jacob. I personally found it strange Jacob blew up into smoke like that. Right now my head is spinning I have about 3 different theories of which this could go.
Keep in mind we had been lead up from the begining that Smokie was a protector or security system for the island. Has MIB been stuck being a security system and not Jacob?
But then again… why the sonic fence to keep Smokie out (and the others)?
Scoopie…
It has and it hasn’t…. not so directly from what I recall.
Jason- I forgot that Ben called smokey the “security system.” If that was the case, you are right: why the need for the sonic fence???? I could see it with Dharma, but after they were offed, why use it??
I am beginning to think that so long as there is a protector on the island there has to be a security system. Kind of a checks and balances system. But if the protector is dead and there are no more viable candidates, the security system is no longer needed. If this is true (and this is big “if”) then MIB needs to kill the remaining 06 candidates (I still don’t know why they are potential candidates yet). But, since he cannot do it himself because the little kid said “you know the rules etc . .” MIB has to make sure that someone else is manipulated into killing them. So you start with angry sawyer who MIB thinks will do anything to get off the island. Or, you start a war somehow.
But I think Jason is right that MIB is tired of his security role and wants to jet off the island. So maybe the loophole all along was not just to kill Jacob because MIB hated him, but because MIB wanted to leave. That would drive me to murder!!!!
I’ve been reading online some stuff that are really getting me confused, regarding MIB and Smokie…refering to an interview of Damon and Carlton to Jimmy Kimmel and to a Terry O’Quinn statement where they dont confirm that the Fake Locke is MIB , but only confirm that he is the Smoke monster.
Is there a chance that MIB is not the Fake Locke?
So Fake Locke would be just the Smoke Monster?
So Smokie and MIB are not the same?
I was assuming they were the same…and i still do until is proved otherwise…It would change all i understood so far…
Jonathan…
I have no doubt in my mind they are one in the same… Especially after this last episode…. Near the begining of the show the had the camera meandering through the island as if it where through the eye of smokie…Then it would switch to Floke walking… No Doubt in my mind they are one in the same…. Trinity like thing.
What I want to know now is what in the world is even holding back MIB from being able to leave now???? I mean Jacob is Dead! Does it all relate to the Donkey Wheel device? I do remember the scene when the Wheel was introduced, Ben looked up in a sort of wonderment but subtle awe. There is something obviously we the viewers have not seen yet.
Or maybe it’s not related to the device…. But still what is holding him back??? Does he need to get to the temple? I mean they are just now putting ash around the temple after Jacobs death??? Wasn’t MIB already on the island… already? Wasn’t smokie under the temple at one time?? (Bertand’s arm being ripped). So if all of what I just mentioned wouldn’t this cancel out MIB needing to get to temple to get off the island.
I am really starting to feel that MIB just wants to die. Aaaaannnnddd the more I think about it it has to do with love and the connection to the Adam and Eve… Don’t know why and I know this may all be a stretch interms of what I am saying and I will be the first to admit I am wrong but something in my head about this makes sense. I mean geez…. Kate with no number…. Maybe she is Eve. OK…that last statement was a stretch.
Not only did Jack say no to the drink offer… but he only had one bottle given to him on the plane..
OK…last post… sorry…
Jonathan… are you suggesting that it may be possible MIB is imposing hiself as another Smokie??? That MIB has taken on the form of an original Smokie??
If so…I like where you may be going with this.
Jason, its not about existing two smoke monster, i am sure there is the one and only smokie…
We already know that Fake Locke is THE Smoke monster, there is no doubt about it.
In my mind it was clear that this Fake Locke was the personification of Jacob’s nemesis, the Man in Black.
So, SMOKE MONSTER = MIB = Fake Locke
But when the producers and Terry O’Quinn were asked about it, they were very clear and said that they could assure that Fake Locke is the Smoke monster, but they could not confirm that Fake Locke is MIB.
They raised a doubt about Fake Locke being the MIB.
Maybe it was just to confuse us, i dont know…i still think Fake Locke is MIB and Smoke Monster…
One thing i said before i am quite sure :
the losties now in 2004 have some sort of memory from the island, memory from the other timeloops they’ve been before, kind of a deja vu way now, but maybe it will get stronger…
Some facts to back up my toughts:
– Young Locke remember Smokie. Memories from past timelines.
– Jack recognizes Desmond on the plane.
Some say it was from their meeting in the stadium, but in the timeline we are seeing now dont know if that meeting existed, probably it didnt, cause since Des was training in the stadium for the boat race, he probably wouldnt be on the plane , but sailing.
And more, when Jack met Desmond in the Swan for the first time, he imediately recognized him from the stadium, it was not like in the plane…
- a weaker evidence: Kate’s look at Jack when she was hijacking the car…it was like she kew him..
Did anyone else notice that Locke’s alarm clock sounded like the alarm that sounds when the numbers weren’t punched in at 108 minutes? It’s kinda like when Desmond was flashing and the microwave sounded like the beeping from the hatch. I don’t know if it means anything, but I just thought I would point it out.
Jonathan: …ok…ok… now I get what you were saying. For some reason it didn’t connect. Now I get it.
Does anyone have any thoughts about the title of this episode?? The only other reference to a lighthouse was the Dharma station Eliose was in. What I remember most about that is her insistence that they take Locke’s body back to the island. Perhaps some of the Dharma mystery is going to creep into the remainder of the story. Let’s hope as I WANT SOME ANSWERS!!!!
Speaking of Des did anyone notice his absense when the plane landed?????
Kbrulz,i had not notice that noise..really cool.
Lsrlost, yes, it seems like only Jack saw him and that he vanished.
I was reading something a guy wrote and that got me thinking …here it goes…
…when the bomb went off in 1977 in the end of season 5, the losties died?
Thats what sank the island?
It seems like stupid questions i know.
Considering a yes to both questions, than they died in that timeline. But as they were time traveling, they existed off the island in 1977 or would yet to be born…so their lives would change from 1977 on…even tough what the producers show us is from flight 815 on , cause its crash was what they were trying to erase.
Well, and what about those who were not time travelling and whose original timeline and present time was 1977, like Ben, Ms. Hawking, Whidmore…presumably they all died with the explosion that sank the island…
So how could Ben be in 2004 now? Thats the question!
Considering 1977 was his present time, his original timeline , and that he was not timetraveling like the losties, if he died there could he be in 2004 now?
I know its mind breaking!!!! I am confused …more and more…When i think i understood something, someone comes with these questions…
I believe there is a time loop going on endlessly, but i dont have a solid argument for these questions.
What you guys think?
Jonathan re post 12 that the writers confirmed that Flocke is Smokey but would not confirm that MIB is Flocke.
At first blush this is confusing, but think about it. John has been REPLICATED by MIB. That is why when Jimmy Kimmel asked the writers “is John Locke possessed by MIB” he said “uh, no.” I agree. No one is possessing Locke, as he has been replicated.
Here is another possibility. MIB is NOT Smokey, but has USED Smokey to replicate others. AND, he could replicate others both on the island (Yemmi, Ben’s mom, Christian, Alex, Walt, Horrace, Harper) and off the island (Anna Lucia, Charlie, Christian, Claire), and whether the person is dead (by using their spirit) or alive. Walt and Claire being the perfect examples of replicating living people (but maybe you can only replicate the living if they are in a different time frame or parallel universe).
This means that MIB’s current replication via Smokey is John, so in that sense replicated John or Flocke is Smokey.
So is the current replication of John via Smokey a permanent thing??? Well, when Ilana said to Ben “He is stuck this way” I thought so. But now I think that she was working on bogus information. Remember that in the statute Ben told Ilana that John turned into the smoke monster and killed everyone. Ilana then said “what about Jacob” Ben said John killed him too and dumped him in the fire. Liar liar pants of fire.
So I think that Ilana thought that the “rules” of directly killing the other personally or via a Smokey replication, had been violated such that Smokey (via MIB) could longer replicate anyone else because he was now stuck with the John replication.
But that is not the case because MIB via FLock/Smokey DID NOT kill Jacob. Bug eyed Ben did. So No rules were violated.
So for now MIB is using Smokey to replicate John as part of his plan to get off the island, and will continue to use replicated John until another replication is needed.
So, where is MIB??? Right now we do not know.
I know this is totally far fetched, but anything is possible.
Here is another thing which makes me think that MIB has replicated John via smokey, such that Flocke is Smokey.
When Flocke came out of the temple I wondered why even though everyone knew that John Locke was dead (his body was laying in the sand) each of the “others” had guns, no one bothered to shoot at him. WTF??? In fact, Richard emphatically said “don’t shoot him, don’t shoot him.” Well, why the hell not???
I think it was because Richard knew at that moment that MIB had used Smokey to replicate John and bullets were useless against him. After all, look at what happened to Bram et all when they shot at replicated John-the bullets bounced right off of him (Bram even picked up the smashed bullet off the floor), and then he reverted to Smokey and stomped them.
AND, remember when Sawyer pointed the gun at Flock when heading to the cave. Flocke, with no fear, flippantly said “go ahead and see what happens” I think what would happen is that he would either turn into Smokey or the bullets would just bounce off of him.
I am fairly convinced that MIB replicated John using Smokey, such that flocke is Smokey, while MIB is behind the scenes somewhere else.
Jonanthan-
Is Ben off the island in 2004 because all the woman and children left on the sub that Sawyer, Kate, and Juliet were on before the bomb exploded?
TL, great points!
Kblrulz, maybe thats it, he left the isalnd before the explosion, even tough they didnt show it..but if he did, he came back later, remember when he was assigned to kill Rosseau in 1989 and perpetrated the purge in 1992?
I think MIB=Smokie=Flocke.
The reason is the conversation about the loop hole. During the incident part 1 MIB tells Jacob that he is going to find a loop hole. Before Ben kills Jacob he says to Flocke, I guess you found your loop hole.
Hi, it seems like Ben knew or was guessing that Locke is most probable candidate. May be that is why he was constantly trying to get rid of him somehow. And may be, as he knows that O6 are also candidates, he was constantly trying to test them (via trapping and etc…), why are they so “special”, but not him.
… I mean, that all these or those “others” could be a rivals even to each other, or to his/her own mate…
Jonathan – I don’t think any of those things happened in this timeline because the island is under water. So, anything that happened after 1977, in this timeline are non-existant.
I know you guys hate Back to the Future references but here’s what’s in my mind concerning this whole timeline thing.
This line represents “Time”
_______________________________________________
\1977 (The Incident)
\
\
\A new timeline was created
\__________________________
The characters living on the island are living on the top line. The bomb went off and everything we have seen on the show over the past 5 seasons has happend in this timeline. The characters off the island are living on the bottom line. They have never been to the island because the woman and children were sent off before the incident. Not Ben, Juliet, Desmond, or even the French chick. At least not yet…
Damn, my picture was supposed to look like Doc Brown’s picture on the chalk board
Well, I have this theory that the 2 timelines will not intersect at any point.
I think the side timeline is showing how life would be if they hadn’t gone to the island. Then, at a certain time in the side timeline, something disastrous will happen and show the real need for our losties to go the island. I think Aaron will be the inflection point.
Yet, we will wait n see !
The newest promo is out, and WOW!!! I think this is going to be a good one. Can’t wait!!!!!
Hi all – new to the site – Love reading all the comments but can someone tell me what the lighthouse is – I remember the Lamppost from Season 4 with Eloise
Pam- you just set me straight!!!!!! I confused the lighthouse with the lamppost in a previous post. YIKES!!!!!! I ought to be ashamed with myself. I think I am going senile.
I don’t recall a lighthouse and wonder if it is another place on the island that we have not yet seen.
2 days to go.
I dont know if the episode title is going to have anything to do with real lighthouses but you could make a case that a lighthouse works within the context of lost, the island, and either ships or planes.
A lighthouse is a tower, building, or framework designed to emit light from a system of lamps and lenses or, in older times, from a fire and used as an aid to navigation and to pilots at sea or on inland waterways.
Lighthouses are used to mark dangerous coastlines, hazardous shoals and reefs, and safe entries to harbors and can also assist in aerial navigation. Once widely used, the number of operational lighthouses has declined due to the expense of maintenance and replacement by modern electronic navigational aids.
so are we thinking that smokie/flocke, jacob and MIB are all different??
Flocke needs the 06 dead but can’t do it himself. So he needs to put people in situations to die. So Sawyer needs to be killed by someone else. Maybe pitting the 06 members against each other will get one of them killed.
I think home for flocke/smokie could be the temple and he needs those people outta there so he can go home.
It’s either that or home is just off the island.
Adam-great thought on the temple possibly being home for MIB, as they clearly are keeping him out of there. Perhaps the water can make the immortal mortal, and that is what he really wants– To be a man again. Can’t wait!!!!
Hi all, for me it seems that there are several different smokes, because I think that the smoke-flocke and the one Ben used aginst Keamy in S4 are different. The same we can think about the smokie that kill the pilot in S1 and push Locke into the hole.
So it can be that smokies are some kind of (soul ???) of former man looking(???) for the body to instantiate. As far as I can remember, there were always wispers connected to appear of fantoms.
This scene is quite intriguing…starts in 1:41
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNyOLhslNrI
^^^^^^ WOW
About that conversation with Mikhail, when he looks at them and says ”you are not on the list because you are flawed, angry, weak and afraid, we are led to understand that none of them was on the list, for Kate was flawed, Locke angry and said was weak and afraid…
But couldnt he be talking only about Kate while looking at the others?
She is the one whose name doesnt appear in the cave ceiling…Sayid and Locke are there…May this have a connection?
Can they all not be on the list? Does it matter at all?
What is he about to say to Locke when he is cut off by Rousseau? Something about not how he remembered him? Does this mean he is already MIB? They have some weird looks at each other like somethings going on.
If you think back, we have never had confirmation that MIB is smokie!
Fake locke = Smokie for sure,
But Smokie could be MIB’s security system or something to that effect…
It is plausable that MIB and smokie are 2 different entities
Does anyone else agree??
I only post here a few times so be gentle!!
Also, the writing in the cave.
23 – Sheperd
Now is this Jack or Claire? because technically Claire is Sheperd
Blacky564:
Post 29 on February 20th, 2010 at 7:49 pm Said:
I think MIB=Smokie=Flocke.
The reason is the conversation about the loop hole. During the incident part 1 MIB tells Jacob that he is going to find a loop hole. Before Ben kills Jacob he says to Flocke, I guess you found your loop hole.
I think they are all the same but there is no conformation so who know’s really.
I think home for smokie is off the island and as someone pointed out already he probably just wants to die. The temple is just the way to that goal and for some reason only us and the losties don’t know why, everyone else seem to be experts lol.
Scott, post 45:
I think Mikhail was saying about Locke that the last time he was ”para…
it could be paralysed…what you think?
Blacky 564: check my post 17.
Blacky- See my post 26. I think MIB uses smokey to replicate others, and right now smokey is replicating Locke. So while flocke is smokey, MIB is neither flocke or smokey.
I am sure that theory will be blown to bits in no time.
Jonathan- Patchy was saying the “john locke I know” before dumb Danielle cut him off. It was like he has already come across the form of John, and so he knows that the John standing in front of him is someone else.
canttttttt waittttttttt !!!!
hate u guys u all are going to see this episode tomorrow.. I got to wait till wednsday
one questions what are u guys talking about when u say MIB??
im confused!
I think mikhal was going to say paralyzed. no one besides rose knew he was paralyzed so that might have given away something or raised questions by the rest of the people. The list must mean the same cave list but Kate wasn’t on it so that was odd.
MIB refers to the man in black from last seasons finale.
I think we are all probably on the right track and the real answer is probably somewhere in the middle in regards to MIB or Jacob’s purpose, who or what is Smokie and the protector aspect.
jonathan post 17 -
I agree there is only 1 smokie. I thought this was already definitive. I also think that MIB is Smokie because Richard referred to Flocke as “YOU!?” Meaning MIB at least that’s what I thought it as. There was another reference to Flocke as being someone or a person (presumably MIB) I just can’t remember who…maybe Ben? Not sure.
So then Flock = smokie = MIB
here is a copy i said id post of my crazy theory. sorry to post it all over but I know people check at different days and it might get hidden. I think its just interesting…
The craziest theory ever —-
I will post this a few times so people can get a chance of seeing it because i think it is so interesting that it has to be considered….why the hell not right. It involves some reading but if many of you are like me you will enjoy if nothing else the connections of some 282 TV shows in the past 25 years. It’s actually quite interesting.
We all know that Lost has a lot of elements that appear in it that also appeared in the show Alias. Drive shaft and Oceanic airlines in particular.
I don’t know if any of you have heard of the Tommy Westphall Universe? It’s a theory that many TV shows both past and present are all in the mind of Tommy Westphall. Tommy was a character in the show St. Elsewhere and the final scene is a panning out shot that shows Tommy looking at a snow globe that had the hospital in which St. Elsewhere takes place in it. Tommy is autistic and it is believed by the ending of the show it is assumed that the entire show is a figment of his imagination.
Homocide: Life on the street also has many connections to St. Elsewhere. These 2 shows are the basis for the theory and the Law and Order franchise plays a huge role also.
Here is a link that will get you started from wikipedia.com but you may want to start by reading a bit about St. Elsewhere, The Bob Newhart show, Newhart, Law and Order shows and Homocide: Life on The Street.
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/crossovers.html
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/cross_key.pdf
If you take the time to read about a lot of these shows the better you will understand my insane almost impossible theory. You could spend a whole night looking at all of the different crossovers.
Anyway my theory about the last image of the show could be that we pan off the island in a wide shot only to pan outside of a snow globe and Tommy Westphal is looking into a snow globe of an island. Meaning that this entire show takes place in the mind of an autistic boy. The hypothesis of many hard core TV followers is that over 280 shows have taken place in this boys mind in the past 20 + years.
All you hardcore fans should take a look and some time to look at this.
Richard, Jones, Jonathan, Karen, Tot-Lost, Jason and CPL. Take some time to look at this. Even if you dont like the theory I think as fans of this show and prob others on this list I think you will find it very interesting if nothing else. i’d love to know what you think about the Tommy Westphal Theory not only in regard to this show but overall. It is so f-ing interesting!!
Hey folks. I always get a huge Lost fever the day before the episode.
If you go to http://www.ew.com there is a link to Lost and you will see a Terry O’Quinn article talking about him playing Smokey. Here is the link, but I cannot guarantee that it will work.
http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/21/lost-terry-o%E2%80%99quinn-smoke-monster-man-in-black-season-smoke-and-unlocke-a-few-secrets-about-his-character/?ew_packageID=20313460
Although the title refers to MIB, the article DOES NOT. In fact they use the term Unlocke. What does it all mean?? I guess we will find out.
I think there is more than one Smoke monster, a ‘good’ smoke monster and ‘bad’ smoke monster and here is why. (Although since Jacob is gone maybe this ‘good’ monster is gone.)
While hunting Locke meets a ‘smoke monster’ in one episode and describes it as a bright light… not dark smoke:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb9emoQD-SM&NR=1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke_%28Lost%29 (search smoke)
After this event Locke ends up with a wild boar rather than dead… A good question asked in the video is what really happened when Locke was all alone with this unknown monster. Why was he not killed then or taken or possessed?
Later, in Season 1 Episode 24 after the above incident, Locke is confronted by another smoke monster (the black smoke monster). It seems he is confused by his previous meeting with the ‘good’ monster and sticks around. At first Locke seems very confident about what will happen and then all of the sudden he is very frightened. This is when the monster pulls him into the hole.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjXdYepUXIU&feature=related
In response to post45, Mikhail knows the backgrounds of all the flight 815 survivors since he was at the communication bunker probably doing research for Ben. He knew Locke was paralyzed and was about to say that I tend to agree. I think the only thing to take from this scene is the ‘others’ are aware that Locke was paralyzed and now can walk and that Locke is somehow special.
Agreed Adam, Flocke=smokie=MIB. In addition to your points in post 53, see the loophole point in post 29.
Also, patchy was defiantly going to say paralyzed. I remember a conversation with Ben and Locke where Ben tells Locke that the others were excited when they heard that a man from the 815 crash was paralyzed but now on the island he can walk again. Patchy would also probably know that since he seemed to be the others man communication with the outside through the flame station and was probably keeping an eye on Locke and the other candidates.
Possible Spoiler
I know in the episode previews it looks like Jack is in some sort of light house. The preview scene shows him upset and it looks like he breaks the beacon glass with a telescope (hopefully from the black rock).
I know someone said something earlier about Claire looking and acting like Rousseau, and someone might have already mentioned this but I wonder if the similarity of Rousseau’s baby being taken and Claire’s baby have anything in common. Claire’s baby wasn’t necessarily stolen but she thinks it has been.
Idk, probably a stupid observation
Brooks – good point, if that is the case then Aaron may not be that special, Rousseau’s daughter Alex didn’t seem to have much of an importance and she was also born on the island. Alex was killed because Ben wouldn’t come out of the house, if she was important you would think that the island would protect her much like what it did with Michael.
I do still think that there might be something to the whole “Aaron must not be raised by another” thing with the psychic and how now Aaron is with Claries mother who was in a coma and we have don’t know if she really came out of that coma or not. (I just did have a thought though, if she is receiving a settlement from Oceanic (the reason she was meeting with the lawyer when Kate thought that she was trying to take back Aaron) then wouldn’t it make sense that would really have to be Claries mom?)
To many thoughts for right now lol.
Can’t wait for the episode tonight – lets hope it keeps the high from last episode going.
I think Miles is going to die tonight – no basis for the claim, just a guess.
Has anyone thought that the lighthouse could be the statue? Similar to the Colossus of Rhodes?
Scott(not that one)- Great thought and analysis on their possibly being 2 smoke monsters. I now remember the 2 incidents with John and smokey. Although, I do recall him wanting to go down the hole with smokey while Jack was holding on to him.
Just another mystery to be resolved I suppose.
please ! can anyone post recap or script of the lighthouse episode!!!! i cant really watch it and i realllllyyyyy want toooo
The lighthouse is definitely a reference to a place on the island and not off the island in the alternate time line.
I don’t think there are 2 smoke monsters, I don’t think that anything has showed us otherwise. I couldn’t take it if there was. How can we differentiate the 2??? I hope not.
This is what I’ve read about this episode:
Hurley must convince Jack to accompany him on an unspecified mission and Jin stumbles across an old friend.
The mission i assume is getting to the light house, we’ll see. Can’t wait!
Adam – I agree the mission is getting to the Lighthouse.
Also, the old friend that Jin stumbles across refers to Claire. The writers mentioned that in their Podcast.
yea i figured by the sneak peak about claire. hour and a half to go!
i’m watching last weeks episode now on abc with the little “help info” but when the smoke monster showed up, they stated “Black Monster”. Im sure they put the color in there for a reason.
maybe hurley will pay for locke to get his back surgery…minor thought i had during the rewatch.
marco – i try to always watch the episode again with the help info. it def….well…helps
Just a random observation:
Locke is stuck in a wheel chair and wants get out of it.
Flocke is stuck on the island and wants to get off.
Just another similar situation between the characters in 2007 vs their selves in the parallel dimension.
maybe flocke needs someone to get off the island with so he can take over their body. so he would take over sawyers body if sawyer leaves with him to get off the island.
scott –
good call on that observation
108 is Walt
Well Jones… got to wait another week!…lol
Adam you may be right on hurley paying for the back surgery…
I still feel the surgery will be the last episode. and the surgery will be a success.
kburlz…I am going with Desmond as 108.
Hey Folks:
SPOILER ALERT-DON’T READ IF YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED!!!!
Ok. Enough of that. Well, this was not as good as last week, but with 13 episodes to go I really do think the whole thing will be awesome.
So, I loved the “I just lied to the shogun” and “Obi wan Kenobi” comments from Hurley. But Dogan seemed surprised when Hurley said he was a candidate. I guess I assumed that the list from the guitar case indicated that. And, I vaguely recall Dogan saying that it was very important that all of them stayed there. So what was on that list?????
I think Jacob lied to Hurley about someone coming to the island to get him and Jack out of the temple, as Smokey is on his way. I don’t think he cares about Sayid or Miles, so they were left behind. The lighthouse was also a bit cheesy.
Claire said her “father” and “Friend” told her about Aaron. Are they both smokey, or is one smokey and the other someone else??? Also, the story about Aaron is clearly a lie (and I guess that she forgot that she dumped Aaron on a pile of leaves in the woods), and is probably part of the plan to get into the temple. She also thinks he is still a baby. WTF???
Last, Jacob seems totally unworried about the goings on. He has a trick up his sleeve, and I still think he may be bad.
Number 108-It has to be either Walt or Desmond.
Spoiler Below
Number 108 belonged to someone with the last name Wallace and if the one of the images in the mirror line up with that number then it seems that it belongs to someone in some sort of Asian home, for some reason reminds me of where Sun and Jin got married (Sorry for bringing that one up again Richard7769
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I think Kate is number 51
Also since it is on a circle I guess we can assume that there are 360 names, it also may be a reference to a possible time loop on the island.
I agree TL not as good as last week but was it just me or did that episode seem to go by very fast without to much happening?
I think the candidate thing with Dogan and Hurley was more along the lines that Dogan didn’t know that Hurley knew that since he was a candidate that he could do what ever he wanted. Not that he didn’t know that he was a candidate.
So basically Smokie now has a sleeper in the Temple assuming that Sayid has indeed been claimed like Claire. This also would mean that Jack will be partly responsible for whatever happens at the temple since he would not give him the pill.
I felt this episode was a bit scatter brained. It seemed all over the place. Things I noticed or thought of:
1. 108 – has to be a character of importance off the island. Walt, Desmond, Whidmore or Aaron? Am I mising anyone that it could be?
2. Hurley is f-ing hilarious. His comment to Jack about the Light house “maybe we weren’t looking for it” that has to mean something.
3. The “brand” that Claire showed on her arm was the same thing as the burn they gave Sayid on his stomach.
4. Locke, Christian, Claire and Sayid are clearly bad guys. There is no debating it at this point right?? They are on the side opposite of Jacob.
5. Sayid on the inside of the temple is not a good thing since he will be inside the perimeter of the ashes.
6. Jacob is 100% the good guy and he thinks Jack is the savior or protector or whatever. I think he believes Jack is the most important. Which I will explain in my next post.
7. The significance of his son David, do I even need to site the biblical references of David???? I will in my next post so that all that I am thinking about is out there in regards to Jack and his kid
8. They are all having Deja vu about the two time lines. I think that’s obvious right?
Jack’s son David….David is known in the bible to be The 2nd King of Israel. He is a righteous king who is renowned for his MUSIC and poetry as well as a good warrior. (he killed goliath)
The biblical references to Jack’s last name. “Shepard”
I never picked up on it before. It could reference
“The Good shepard”. Which is a reference to Jesus in this regard:
Jesus is depicted as the Good Shepherd who lays down his life for the sheep. Similar imagery is used in Psalm 23. The Good Shepherd is revisited throughout the four Gospels in references to Jesus not letting himself lose any of his sheep.
Jacks purpose is to lay down his life to save everyone else. (Similar to Neo in The Matrix unfortunately)
I think it’s obvious now that this show has a lot to do with the bible and in the end I think it’s a Religion based show with religious ending in the finale and shows leading up to it.
Plus there are plenty of references to support it that are to many to even list.
I don’t think anyone can prove otherwise.
I’m so excited for it and I’m not a religious person by any means. This episode was all over the place but I liked it.
To Adam’s Post 75:
1. 108 – The name was Wallace and it was crossed off. I would assume that means that person is dead and or claimed.
2. “maybe we weren’t looking for it” My thoughts were that this could be the same as Jacob’s cabin. If the island can be hidden why not a light house. Hurley was great this whole episode though, very funny character.
3. Agreed
4. Agreed
5. “inside the perimeter of the ashes” and I think will be the one that breaks the perimeter for smokie. I think we are just about set up for the showdown. Jacob knows it and wanted to get the candidates out of there.
6. Agreed, I read somewhere that originally Jack’s Character was suppose to die in the Pilot episode but ABC exec vetoed it. Just an interesting fact that I hadn’t seen on here before.
7. Great catch, also with your post below it is sort of fitting that you mention Psalm 23 as that is also jacks number.
8. Agreed, Almost seems like there is some “course correcting” on the go here also. Jack had his appendix out as a kid in the alt time line however Juliet performed the procedure on the island in the original time line.
Jones -
I totally missed the wallace crossed out thing. I was trying to read every name on there.
To be honest I didnt catch psalm 23 and 23 as his number. good catch. just more of a reason to why it makes sense tho. could the person coming to the island be his son david?
did walt take the last name of wallace when he was with is mom? is david’s last name wallace…maybe he kept his moms maiden name???
For Walt his Father is Michael Dawson, Mother is Susan Lloyd and Stepfather is Brian Porter, so I don’t think it is him.
We are not told (as far as I know) what Aaron’s father Thomas’ last name is, Maybe that could be it.
For number 51 though the name listed is Austin which I would assume means Kate.
I don’t know if I’m about to make sense but I’ve been trying to find things that reference Lost in regards to the bible or the old and new testament.
Dogen (lost character) – Dagon(different spelling) is a biblical character who lived in a temple
Lets stick to the Hebrew version because they seem to have more connections.
The Ark of the Covenant carried the stones in which the 10 Commandments were written on and Aaron’s Rod. The ark eventually made it’s way to Dagon’s temple and Dagon appeared to be bowing down to it. His people fixed it that he would be straight up but the next day he was back to praying to it with his hands and head cut off. It is said by bowing to it he shamed his own worshipers.
Now one of the books Desmond or Artz was reading is about a false prophet or a man who leads a group but is not their true leader. So maybe Dogen is this fake prohet and Jack is the real leader.
Now Aaron’s rod which is on the Ark of the Covenant is said to have been buried in many religions and it is said to have grown the tree of knowledge of good and evil from it. Adam and Eve ate from this tree and because they ate from it were obviously made immortal and cursed with pain in childbirth. David is also to have had the rod with him when he slew goliath along with the sling shot. David left it to his decendants and eventually was lost when the temple of his decendents was leveled. It is said that this rod will be given to the messiah when he appears.
Interesting…
Lost references here are adam and eve, trouble with child birth and good and evil. Someone is coming to the island…Messiah of some kind?
The name Aaron has a few possible meanings a few of them are literally pregnancy, one of light. Also kind of interesting.
If you search things like dogan, aaron, aarons rod, david, etc…
you will find a lot of things that can be translated to Lost.
Maybe the numbers have something to do with Psalms? Like Psalm 23 for Jack
Wow this place is quite today, where is everyone too.
Adam thanks for all the info, I find it hard to find information outside of this site and lostipedia so it is good to hear all the possible religious links.
I usually like Claire but I found all of her scenes last night were sort of a waste of time. That is until Flocke showed up, it was expected but cool to see all the same.
I agree…very quiet. Maybe they are waiting for a new link to post under?
I agree on Claire also. good to get an update but not great scenes. Who is Jack’s ex-wife. Could it be anyone important? Maybe an ex-character making a return?
Adam- WOW!!! You are on a role. GREAT insights and analysis. Same to you Jones.
However, I am still not convinced that Jacob is the good guy. It is almost too obvious, and we have been fooled before. I would like him to be, but I just cannot see it that clearly. For all we know the temple is an evil force on the island, and MIB is using smokey/flocke to destroy it.
By the way, now that Flocke is at Clari’s tent, I am guessing that Sawyer is not too far behind.
I miss Desmond.
I just had a thought. Given that Dogen knows that Sayid is slipping to the dark side if you will, and is not going to take the poison, why not just boot him out of there?? I mean they know Jacob is dead, they set off the flair, and brought out the ash. Why keep the evil there??
For that matter, Claire said that she escaped from there, so why would they have wanted to keep her there as well??
Help my fellow losties!!!!
Could the name Austin on the Lighthouse dial refer to Kate’s father who died on the island. Was the name crossed out next to #51?
the name is not crossed out i dont think.
Totally lost -
Jacob is the good guy! Cmon, it’s to obvious i think. no doubt in my mind!
Guys,
“Lighthouse” is episode no. 108 !!!
Acer-7- Holy Smokes. I totally missed that. Roni- long time no hear!!!
Adam-Here is another reason why I am not convinced that Jacob is good. To get Jack to leave with Hurley, Jacob told Hurley to tell Jack “You have what it takes.” Well, we know that Christian had told Jack previously “You don’t have what it takes” in a season 1 flashback.
So when Hurley related that message to Jack, he was all gun-ho to go. Why?? Well, remember that Jack had seen dead Christian twice. First on the island in the White Rabbit (season 1) and at his office (which made him start popping pills). Locke (just after he crashed the car when Abbadon was killed) also told Him that Christian said hello. So when Jack heard the message from Hurley, he was thinking that Jacob was dear old dad. He wanted to resolve his “daddy” issues, and when dad was not in the lighthouse, he went crazy.
Now my point (I know, finally). Jacob was using Jack’s daddy issues to manipulate him. For good, I don’t know. Maybe as he said “you have what it takes,” this could mean he is the top candidate (for what we don’t know yet). But, he could have done it to get jack out the temple so he could not be recruited by MIB who just might be good and would help “fix” Jack. I mean a broken Jack is easily manipulated.
It was a low blow to prey on poor totally messed-up Jack by using Christian’s own words to get Jack to do Jacob’s bidding. Now, I will conceded that Jacob could have been trying to get Jack past his past (by seeing his old house in the mirror and realizing that that part of his life is over). But, I am not convinced.
Last- Richard7769 and Jason, being in the US- comments????
I’ll wait for you non US folks (Jonathan, Karen, Scoppie, CPL, for any thoughts/theories on the episode???)
So many things to consider..my head is spinning…
Claire said ”her DAD and her FRIEND told her that Aaron was in the temple”…
We know that she knows that her friend is not Locke ,so she can see through his ”disguise”.
So, was her dad also Smokey/MIB or was really Christian?
I mean, if it would be also a disguise of Christian, wouldnt she know that as well and not refer to it as her dad?
I think that maybe the cave where Flocke took Sawyer is his headquarters, and the lighthouse is Jacob’s…
Kate is indeed a candidate in the lighthouse, number 51, and her name is not crossed out.
This 108/Wallace is crossed out, so maybe not a candidate anymore.
But if i had a guess , it would be Desmond- because of his relation with the number 108…from the hatch, where every 108 minutes he had to insert the numbers on the computers.
But i cant think of any reason for Desmond to want to go back to the island, but i have to considered that i know nothing about his new life in this timeline of 2004.
Jacob didnt seem bothered with that 108 turn not happening. Maybe what he really wanted Jack to see his old house and have the knowledge he was ”under surveillance” all his life.
About Jack, him looking at the mirror and not remembering his surgery was quite odd..Like when he looked his cut in the mirror in the plane…what does it show us? Certainly mirrors..as in the lighthouse… Whats real and whats not?
David’s book: Alice in Wonderland …the book Jack has read to Aaron in a previous season..
In the place David was playing, there was a sign saying something like ”all candidates are welcome”…
As someone pointed out somewhere, is cool to see Jack and Hurley acting together, and it is so rare.
TL, i tend to think of Jacob as good, but what makes me in doubt is why he never speaks to people exactly what he wants??? For example to Ben, Richard, Hurley…
Still about Christian being Smokey as Locke is now,
why was Christian’s body missing from his coffin , while Locke’s body was still in his coffin?
Jonathan– Agreed. When you do not speak directly and go to the smoke and mirrors routine, my suspicions are aroused.
also, good point about Claire’s “friend.” But, the last time Claire saw John was in the cabin, so is it possible that she does not know that John is Flocke?? Claire is getting played for sure.
TL, i am not sure if i understood your question, but what i meant to say was:
Claire refered to her DAD and her FRIEND.
She clearly knows that this John Locke who’s standing there now is not really John Locke, as she refers to him as her FRIEND . So, she can see through Smokey’s appearence/disguise.
And she mentioned her DAD…if her dad was also SMokey/MIB as i thought he was, wouldn she notice that? Wouldn she see through him too?
So maybe it was really Christian who Claire met…its strange i know…
Remember when Jin looks at Flocke and says:
”Locke!?”
and she quickly responds:
”no, its my friend”…
This may be a little off-topic but, I think this alternate time line is one where the passengers aren’t touched by Jacob. THat is why some of them act differently on the plane, and that is why their lives are different in the alternate timeline.
For instance, if Jacob had not bumped into Jack when he was a child, his life would have probably played out to where he would have a son with someone. THat is this alternate timeline. SAme thing with Locke, if Jacob had not touched him after he fell from the building, maybe he wouldn’t have continued dating that lady.
I know its a stretch, but I think there are enough glaring differences in the two timelines to realize that there is a bigger change that occurred aside from the plane not crashing or the island not existing.
Anyway
Jonathan- I forgot that Jin said “locke” and she said: No, that is my friend. I was originally thinking that the last time Claire saw John was in the cabin with Christian, so therefore I assumed that she and john were never in contact again, so she had no reason to know that John was really dead. But as you reminded me, she knew it was not locke when she responded to Jin. I am also going to assume that Jin does not know that locke is dead.
I hope that makes sense.
Hello Everyone!
I am totally new to this site and this is my first comment on LOST.
First I want to thank you all for your interesting thoughts and ideas!
Next, I hope you can stand my bad english (I’m from Sweden)!
Ok, here we go:
I’m rewatching season 5, and there I saw something strange…
Remember how Sawyer, Juliet, Faraday and Miles come into the Darma people (and being members)?
They saved a Darma-woman (but was too late for saving her man) and followed her to her people (Darma).
I think her husband’s name was paul. Do you remember the neckles? The Darma-woman took off a NECKLES from her dead husband and the SHAPE of that neckles was…?
Oh yes! The shape was the same as the (much bigger) “thing” that was inside the guitarr “bag” which Hurley carried back to the Iland…
Isn’t that strange?? Can anyone explain this? I mean, the dead man (Paul) was in the Darma people and NOT among “the others”!? Why did he have such a neckles???
Please someone… I’m so lost!
Some corrections of my previous post (thanks to internet!):
Neckles: Should probably be spelled necklace.
Guitarr bag: I mean guitar case.
Darma-woman: Should be Dharma woman. And her name was Amy.
The “thing” in the guitar case: It’s an giant, wooden ankh.
Still, I don’t understand why Paul had this necklace!
Another strange thing:
The clothes that Fake-Locke was wearing at the beach, was the same as the real (dead) Locke in the coffin, wasn’t it?
Explanation??
Also strange that John Locke’s body was still in the coffin but Jack’s father Christian’s was not (as somebody already pointed out). Why?
And why is black smoke-monster “stuck” in Fake-Lockes body? If he realy was “Fake-Christian” earlier, why wasn’t he stuck in that body??
Oh… I’m sooooo looooooooooooost! Heeeeelp meeee!
Jonathan -
I think Claire knows the Locke isn’t Locke. I don’t think Christian is Smokie or Locke. i think he is separate from them.
Totally Lost -
Jacob is good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing about him say’s bad yet everything Locke and that crew do screams we are the bad guys.
In the post by richard in the new forum for the next episode they all but tell you Locke is the bad guy.
He is coming to the temple to kill all those people and I think Sayid will definitely help him. That’s the recruiting that is going on. Claire is def a bad guy to. That girl was to creepy to be a good guy.
I also thought that person coming to the island might be Jack from the alternate time line. he might fly back to Australia to make sure his dad’s body gets on the plane. then he crashes or flashes back to the island all over again.