Two more:

http://colunas.tv.globo.com/lostinlost/2009/05/08/mais-um-promo-de-the-incident/#more-4320

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vG6fxPxbV8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dudewearelost.blogspot.com%2F&feature=player_embedded

weird

At least we know how they get the “bomb” out of the tunnel.

I´m now really confused, i don´t know if the losties which went back to the 70´s have changed the original timeline and created a new one, were they all maybe will die how Richard said, OR the things the losties are doing now are always happened in that way, so this is the original timeline how it always was??

Perhaps Richard said this to Sun because he thinks the people on the photo died in the past, but the lostie probably dissapeared back to the future and Richard just doesn´t know it!? however..

Most exciting thing for me is the upcoming showdown between Locke – Jacob including Ben/Richard! Honestly i don´t believe it´s possible to kill Jacob, who is probably just a ghost or something in that way, but it will be thrilling, hopefully. It also really could be Ben will play the enforcer for Locke, thinking what the smoke monster said to Ben to hear of Locke´s words, now he gave him the order to kill and maybe Locke will give Ben his knife which he took wrongly as a child from Richard to kill Jacob. Just don´t know which role will Richard play in this scenario!?!?

can´t wait for the great ending….

This episode looks like its gearing up to be something really unexpected so i’m excited. Not so excited that the season will be over but all in all this season has been pretty poor.

I hope the finale will be believable, i don’t know how they would manage to get Kate, Sawyer and Juliet off the sub without doing something ridiculous. And we know from miles’ flashbacks that they made it back to the real world.

What are jack and sayid even doing in dharmaville? Isn’t the swan station ages away from dharmaville? Why on earth didn’t sayid put on a cap or something! And where is baby ben all this time? Seems like everyone has forgotten about him!

Daniel seems to be pretty dead but isn’t he supposed to make that comic con video with dr chang or is that not canon to the show?

Also daniel and penny seem close enough to the same age, so is widmore making if off the island regularly at the moment?

I would love to know why Locke intends on killing jacob? It seems like he just came up with this massive decision randomly. Surely when locke has spent so much time looking to jacob for guidance and claims to be a man of faith killing him is quite the turnaround. I thought jacob would be some sort of psychopomp, it will be interesting to see more of who and what he is revealed. I wonder if the island asked locke to kill jacob? Again i sort of thought they were the same entity but if the island is telling locke when to meet himself at the plane then the island and locke are in tune together i would assume locke wouldn’t want to kill it? Very confusing…

I’d be pretty irritated if all that happens for the remainder of lost is they blow up the swan, the plane crash etc never happens and in the future everyone is living their lives exactly as they would have

LOLO – the producers/creators confirmed in their last podcast that the COMIC CON video of Faraday filming Chang originally had a purpose, but it will not come into play now that Faraday has died, and the story has moved along.

I will forwarn that the podcast may have SPOILERS for some fans, so enjoy at your own risk!

http://www.docarzt.com/lost/exclusive-next-weeks-official-lost-podcast-now/

my guess for the finale is that the losties do all die, blown up or something, but I think that they will def all come back somehow. based on my timeline theory they could all come back like Locke did, not the same Locke but a Locke from another timeline.maybe they have to all die to get back to the correct timeline. Or maybe Desmond is the key?

1 day to go!

Following up with Biglostfan’s comment that they all die, what if they died and their bodies are in the big metal coffin in 2007 and the island brings them back to life like it did with Locke…that’d be a trip.

well the writters said that this seasons finale will be a big game changer and that by the end we will be left thinking, how can they continue this? So taking from that, I thought what could they do that would make us think, wow how can they come back from that? I know I know its way out there, but if I’m right the payoff of knowing I’m right will be great, but if I’m wrong thats ok, we have next season to get some more right, right? well and some more wrong too.lol.

what’s crackalackin pimpalimpin?

Biglostfan- Very bold indeed. I believe they will have an explosion and then we believe that they are dead. Only to find out in season 6 the ones that detonate the bomb would have finished their mission in ‘77 and will be propelled to the future to be with the others.

where the heck is rose/bernard? i hear we will learn about them tonight… sure hope so.

I am with Adam. We need some answers, or it will be a long and frustrating off season.

I can’t wait!!!!!

My guess is that Jacob may be Jack’s long lost brother…or some how related to Jack’s family because after all Chistian and Claire both live happily in Jacob’s cabin…Family reunion for tonight show.

hahah…good one scott

what sucks is we have enough stuff to come up with some new theories…..what sux is we still have no clue as to whats going on and have to wait 8 months. i honestly thought the finale was awesome, i wont pretend to have any idea as to what the F is going on, i’ll leave that to the smarter people on this site but thought it was very good.

i will prob think of things as more posts/theories are put up and i can start to see what other people thought and kinda of piggy back of of those.

cheasiest part of the whole thing was that bomb dropping eighty feet and not exploding. then juliette drops and doesnt die……then her lifeless body hitting the bomb with a rock makes it explode.

but wow we have a whole new jacob/ben/locke and other guy to think and ponder about.

i felt a lot was made in free will choices like daniel said…esoecially the scene with ben and jacob

let it start flowing.

scott ou may want to start a new post.

DON’T READ TO YOU SEE-SPOILER ALERT

All I can say is WTF!!!!!!!!!!!! I don’t even know where to start, but to agree with Adam (again) that I have no clue what is going on.

The real Locke and fake Locke deal is just shocking, and it is going to take me a while to digest it. But I am guessing that Jacob and the man who wanted to kill him while watching the black rock on the beach in the beginning of the episode, eventually figured out that he could inhabit the bodies of dead folks, which is the loophole he needed to get someone else to kill Jacob. So he used that loophole by using poor dead Christian to manipulate the real Locke into leaving the island, Richard to tell John he needed to die, and smokey to impersonate Alex to manipulate Ben into doing his bidding. Poor Ben– that sucker was manipulated and does not even know that it yet. Serves him right. So, this allowed him to finally find Jacob and close enough to kill him, which Ben did.

Still, I have a LOT of questions like does this mean that John is dead because dead is dead?? When Illana saw Locke on the beach right after they crashed, why didn’t she point out he fact that John was still in the coffin??

Anyway, I’ll sleep on it and comment tomorrow.

So,

the have been on the island for a while. Clearly the dude talking to Jacob when they were watching the black rock is that person. The loophole he referred to is being able to take over the bodies of dead on the island to do his bidding, and he So, that is how he was able to kill jacob- getting someone else to do it, like Ben. In fact, this fake Locke used Alex to manipulate Ben into into doing “whatever JOhn says”

Wow, what a great episdoe.

I had the same thought as Totallylost, that Jacob and the man on the beach were playing some type of game. He couldn’t personally kill Jacob but needed someone else to do it for them. But what are they some type of Gods?
Juliette was awesome!!! She’s a hero if the plan works. Which I’m hoping it will. And if the plan works doesn’t that mean that Jacob is never killed? (Since it was a Locke look a like that did it and he will probably never come to the island.) I still don’t know if Jacob is good or bad or neither just playing a game and not caring about the people? I’m guessing maybe the other guy is Jacob’s brother or something. I’ve seen how sibbling rivalry can be. lol
2010 will be so bitter sweet – to get all the answers, but be over with Can’t wait to start seeing spoilers/videos of the last season.

Ok, I just want to know the words that were exchanged between Richard and that girl near the end before they dumped Locke’s body. Anyone have a translation?

LostAirman,
I found this on another site so I don’t know if it is accurate or not but thought I would share it anyway. If anyone knows anymore about this quote then please post.

The answer of who lies in the shadow of the statue is Ille qui nos omnes servabit – “He who will protect us all”

Such a good episode. But how gut wrenching. I hated Sayid getting shot and Juliet falling. Ouch that had to hurt. I’m still holding out for the two of them though. The white light meant one final time jump, and we know that if you are dead you don’t travel thru time, but John traveled with an injury. So maybe there is still hope for our two injured. I will hold unto this theory until proven wrong.

I agree the flash of light was a time jump. Don’t know what the deal is with Locke/locke….that was crazy.
The alive Locke is obviously not Locke but someone else in his body. It’s the other guy who we didn’t get the name of.

Whats the loophole?
Why do they hate each other?
What is the relationship between them?
How come after 5 seasons of waiting Jacob dies so easy? LOL

Great episode!

I have so many questions and thoughts….they will come out at some point…

crazy

Nice touch at the beginning where Jacob is wearing white and the ‘other’ guy is wearing black. Jacob is definitely the good guy. (as if it weren’t obvious after tonight)

I looked up a few things about this book and the author. I wont put all of what ive read in the post but I will encourage you to look into the author and that book. I’ve made a few comparisons already to Lost as a whole and the characters as a whole. For instance:

The stories throughout the collection create situations where a flawed character comes to a “vision of himself as he really is, and makes possible a true rising toward Being,”

You could say this about many characters. There is lots more to check it out. Ok now I should do some real work…

OK– I’ve had a few hours to digest, so here I go.

I agree with everyone who said that how could Jacob have been killed so easily. My thought as well, but perhaps that was the plan all along, and he knew that “bad” locke was going to do it. After all, we clearly saw the knife in Beb’s hand before he walked up to Jacob, so I am assuming Jacob saw it too. Also, walking up into Jacob’s personal space was a dead giveawaay. I wonder what Ben will say when he realizes he has been duped. As I siad before, he deserves to be on the other end of a manipulation.

Juliette- She grew some guts for this episode and we saw the old her when she jacked the guy onthe sub. Maybe as RONI said above that she can move forward in time, along wiht sayid with an injury like Locke and live. But, I would think they would need immediate medical attention. Poor Sawyer.

Nice to hear Miles say “DAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

If Rose and Bernard are playing Castaway (we know she cannot leave the island or she will die), where are the other castaways??

Jones- I agree with you that Ben looked like a jealous little girl when he stabbed Jacob.

Did anyone notice that each time Jacob saw one of the Losties of island he actually touched them?? (I need to verify that for Hurley as well) Why? Perhpas that was some island essence to protect them when the got there.

Question: Was locke’s casket in that Metal Case all along, and if so, what would prompt Ilana and Bram to open it or even take it? I think that she was taking the coffin to Jacob for Jacob to resurrect him, and that is why she was on the flight. But, they got the cabin and jacob was gone, so they went to the statute. That does not explain why she had Sayid in cuffs, but I guess we will find that out next year.

Did anyone notice the painting of Vincent in the cabin? Maybe Rose and Bernard were using it after Jacob left.

Much Much more to follow after I watch it again.

Adam- I could be wrong but I thought that the loophole was the way or the means that the bad guy figured out how to get around the problem of killing Jacob, and that was to inhabit the bodies of others and manioulate them to do it, like Ben.

Richard7769- Jacob also woke up locke after he was probably dead when he came out the window. That that is why I think that Jacob intended to resurrect him all along before the bad locke manipulated poor ben to kill him. Perhpas Miles can talk to Jacob after he is dead and find out what to do.

One more thing, perhpas the ash ring around the cabin was to protect Jacob from the bad guy.

Totallylost,
To piggy off your post 51, I agree with you but would like to add. I think the loop hole will also have something to do with Jacob’s meeting with John. John seemed to be in pretty bad shape after falling out of the window, Jacob’s touch seemed to have gave locke back life. For some reason I think this act opened the door to the loophole that allows the other guy to convince Ben to kill Jacob.

I would like to start a reference name for the other guy on the beach with Jacob – I was thinking MIB for Man In Black but if anyone would like to call him something else feel free. I just like being able to reference someone without having to explain who it is all the time.

Also, on the statue, I wont take credit for it, cause I think i read it somewhere else before i posted it on here. But the goddamn statue!!! I knew it was going to be some sort of Anubis (the pharoah looking thing with the jackal head)

From wikipedia “Anubis is the Egyptian name[1] for a jackal-headed god associated with mummification and the afterlife in Egyptian mythology.”

My initial thought after seeing the statue was that in the metal case Ilana had, was going to be Jacobs mummified corpse. Guess I was wrong about that too

Scrap my MIB name in post 53, I like Moohaha’s link to Moses in post 52, (never saw it until after I posted mine)
Great info Moohaha, thanks for that.
Adam agreed about work, My productivity for the day will be around 0 haha.
Oh and about Jacob’s visit’s, they all seemed to happened at one of the most critical times of there lives (that is a stretch for Kate and Hurley though). I do find it funny thought that all visits except for Sayid’s and Hurley where pre 815 crash.

AMAZING ! AWESOME!!!! first of all, i believe the statue was not anubis but was the egyptian goddess of pregnancy!!! Second of all, … son of a bitch … 8 months!!

I agree this was awesome,

something thats bugging me though when Jacob said to the Locke fakie they’re comming, then they went back to 1977, I believe that he was talking about the losties, that they are finally comming to the present time. like maybe this is the way everything had happened before.

Hmmm, after reading post 52, I’m instantly taken back to the funny little side conversation Claire had with Eko about naming her son Aaron. Eko told her Aaron was the name of Moses’s brother. Then Claire said something to the effect of “It must have been hard being Moses’s brother, with everyone always saying ‘Why can’t you be more like your brother, Moses.”

Seems like that little conversation has a lot more significance now, although we’re not quite sure what the true relationship between Jacob and his rival.

Just a thought.

Moohaha,
Taweret – Goddess of Birth, Rebirth, I think that is who Gavin is talking about, and I have to agree. Carries an ankh in both hands. Four-toed, and matching head. The only thing I can see thrownig it off is that the statue in lost is slim where the Taweret aways seem’s to be tends to be heavier set.

Moohaha- I also stood with you on the possiblity of Jack’s grandpa being Jacob, so I’ll take any “i told you so’s” too. And, I agree, he will be in season 6.

Tom,

interesting. I totally forgot about that, but yeah, in retrospect, it may have been pretty significant

I’m also glad in the recap episode they explained why some of the losties ended up in 1977 and some did not, and they also explained the reason why Ben killed Locke, thankyou lost writters.

However Jones,

If you follow the link, youll see that Anubis holds an Ankh in his hand as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anubis

Rizwan,

I saw that connection as well on another page, but I wasnt sure if it would hold any weight. But all the other information You provided was new to me, so good find.

It all has the potential to be a huge clue as to the identity of this mystery man. I think you may be onto something.

Dudes name is either Moses or Esau. For sure.

Jacob and his enemy seem to live an eternal loop.
Things happen always the same way. They know how it will end.They say to each other back in 1800’s while staring at the ship:
“They come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same.”
“It only ends once. Anything that happens before that, it’s just progress.” -Jacob.
What Jacob means is that the ending is always the same, changeproof.In their timeloop, Jacob doesnt die, so the man can kill him.

In order to change things, there has to be a flaw on the loop. And that is what that man tried to create.He manipulated people and destinies. He was probably the spirit on the cabin with Ben and Locke, he could have been Christian, and finally he was Locke.

He tought he had changed things this time, so Jacob could end up dead. But i think Jacob knew he was wrong. Thats why he didnt offer any reaction to Ben. Instead he said fake locke: ”they are coming”.You are right BLF, he was referring to the losties in 77. He knew they were coming back to the start, to were it all begun. The loop had no hole! It was all the same as always. So, maybe Jacob wont really die.

But were will the losties go to? 2007? 2004? The preview for next season shows Jack opening his eyes ..like when both plane crashed.

I am still thinking what exactly Jacob was doing in those meetings with the losties. Trying to reassure that the loop continues? Are they part of it?Why does he touched them?

Well, maybe its none of this…

I won’t even try to figure out what was going on. But who agrees: best finale of Lost ever or THE best?

Claire ‘baby’s daddy’ was in one of the earlier seasons. He left her when she told him she was pregnant.

The guy at the beach in the beginning has to be Jeremy Bentham.
That´s the loophole..

Richard –

A link to info on Aaron’s bio dad:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Thomas

Jonathan,
I like your idea of an eternal time loop.

I just hope they all don’t forget what happened, like the memory loss that Desmond had when he was flashing back and forth when we saw him break up with Penny and then Ms Hawking told him not to buy the ring.

Jacob is Destiny, The other guy is Chaos. Jacob trys to preserve the fabric of time, while Chaos is constantly trying to unravel it.
When Jacob shows up in the losties lives, he is probable showing up after chaos has manipulated the situation that might have caused time to go the way it shouldn’t. Jacob shows up to fix it, even if it is a simple as handing a kid a pen.

Lost also has many references from different religions. I think Lost is trying to point out that there is not one true religion. Over time humanity has found bits and pieces of what lies beyond and made a religion from it. Each one may have a bit of the truth but not close. Over time Relgions evolve, or new ones are formed, and the “gods” are waiting for humanity to figure out what it all means. Until they do it is just progress.

Scott, I thought that they made it clear that Ilana was obviously working for Jacob.

Was it supposed to be a mystery as to who the woman in the bandages was? I thought it was the clearly the same actress

Thanks Scott. I got it now!!!

I think she was bringing the crate to Jacob and along the way realized that the guy in the create was also walking around on the beach. That is why she showed it to Richard.

By the way, Richard seemed awfully oblivious to the goings on in this episode.

Also, anytime someone says “We are the good guys” you have to be suspicious, and when Bram (Mr. Monster) said it I almost gagged.

So, can we reach a conclusion as to whose side smokey is on??

Assuming that since Juliette was able to set off the bomb, then maybe Jack’s (Daniel’s) theory can happen. The major accident never happened, no one builds the hatch where they have to press the button, Desmond isn’t there to NOT press it, so the plane doesn’t crash. Maybe we will get to see an alternate reality in the last season? It seems like the MIB might be some type of shape shifter, since it appears he is posing as Locke and since the smoke monster can do the same thing, you might assume that he is also the smoke monster?
I also don’t think Jacob would die that easily. Unless he is most vunerable in his home. He probably knew what was going to happen and prepared for it. I don’t think the MIB is his brother because I think one referred to the other sarcastically as “friend”

lol He has too much screen prescence for only 2 episodes.
I bet we see him again next season.

So if the plane never crashes that would leave so many things up in the air. I think they would have to take us through some things to see where they would go like…Will the main characters ever meet? Will Kate go to jail? Will Claire have her baby? Will Charlie still be hooked on drugs? Will Hugo be in the looney bin? Will Rose die of cancer? And on and on.

I think it’s all about God and the devil and “original sin”
which was free will. Jacob says to Ben “you don’t have to do
this.” Man keeps destroying and killing…God views this as progress(they’ll get it right some day) MIB hates man.
Jacob appears to people at crucial moments in their lives and they miss God’s sign…Sawyer, Kate, Jack…they can choose to stop(he won’t stop them) but he gives them a sign…The have the choice to keep stealing… The only end is the apocalypse…besides that its just progress…
I sound like a holy roller but I’m not. It’s just how I see it. To much Catholic school.

OK-I know I have posted a lot, but this is it for today.

1. Why did Bernard ask Juliette if she wanted some tea?? That seemed kind of odd, and she was holding her stomach at that time. Maybe Bernard knew something about the island and was trying to tell it to Juliette in code. Maybe he was going crazy.

2. Was the ash circle around the cabin to keep “moses” in, and was that circle broken in a previous episode? The only thing I can think of is when Hurley went there, but I don’t remember.

3. Why drag Lapidus along with Illana’s gang and show him what was in the crate. He didn’t even know Locke. Right??

4. Earlier in the season there was a bit of discussion as to why bodies needed to be buried (remember when Sawyer killed Amy’s attackers, and when Danielle and Karl were shot). Well, is it because they could be used by Moses if not buried?? Christain, Locke, Claire, Charlie, Alex and Yemi were not buried and look what happened.

Also how does the Black Rock end up so far inland when it didn’t exactly look like a storm brought it in?

Thanks Moohaha.

So,

The island is purgatory then -_-.

I’m with Dire Wolf on the theory and what not. To me, it makes the most sense.

The ship in the beginning, it is the Black Rock, and as discussed by the two dudes in the beginning, its “NEW” to them, so they didn’t arrive on it.

I like the theory that they may be Jacob and Esau.

the reason i think the island is purgatory, EVEN THOUGH THE WRITERS INSIST THEY AREN’t, is that Jacob acts like the Grace of God (someone mentioned this earlier) and he gives each person who has been on the island the choice to continue doing what they are doing or to go onto a different path. I think it is fair to say that everyone on the island is “flawed”. THe island is where they come to be judged.

On another note,
I wonder if all the losties in the 70’s are gonna come back to the present. I assume that is what will happen but who knows. Man have to wait another half year to find out -_- THAT SUCKS

The Full Statue that we see briefly actually has the head of a crocodile, and it is an egyptian god Sobek, He is the healer and is considered to be a undoer of evil rather than a creator of good. Thought this was interesting. That is why he has an Ankh in his hand, as the symbol of healing.

Maybe the people on the Black Rock ship will have something to do with destroying the statue (cannon). The MiB guy may trick them into doing so thinking this may kill Jacob.
Or something to that effect.

best finale and glad im not the only one searching for explanations at work…cannot wait to watch again this evening!

does juilette die or will the flashback save her? thank the writers have delibrately left this open.

Sayid was definitely supposed to kill Ben.

Jacob really didnt put up a fight, wouldn’t he know that the person wasn’t Locke but he’s nemsis in his body?

the whole widmore/ben saga is this now nothing? or was widmore working with the nemsis hence why he was banished…

I dont think the MIB is moses, but jacobs twin…

Claire and Walt – they need to tie these ends up now. could walt channel into the evil on the island??

cannot wait for next season! although i feel like there could easily be another 2 seasons.

must get back to work now!

Moohaha in post 104

I dont think Frank ever met the real Locke, but he was in Ben’s house with Sun when “Locke” and Ben were there. So he has at least seen him before.

Direwolf – What are you some kind of bible expert? If so, keep the information coming. I dont know all that much about the bible, and I dont pick up on all the references while watching the show. So keep posting them on here if you can.

Johnny – In RE to post 108, I think you have an interesting theroy, however, if the destruction of the statue is what causes the women on island to be infertile, then how did Amy give birth to Ethan?

If you remember, when Locke went down the well to move the wheel, Jin, Juliet, Sawyer and Miles all moved through time twice more. First they ended up in the past, and could see the statue intact from afar. Then, when the final flash happened, the statue was not visible, because its safe to assume it had been destroyed at the time they were now in, which was 1974. So then how, was Amy able to give birth in 1977 with the statue destroyed? Unless Amy, Horace and Ethan were in some way, “Special”.

Scoppie – I thought this finale was hands down the best finale since season 2 as well. Luckily, the last 2 were good, but not great. This was was intense.
As for Locke, I know, its sad, we finally see him become this bad-ass, all knowing leader, only to find out its not him, and he was just the miserable little pawn he always turns out to be, by getting tricked by Ben (again) and choked to death in a seedy hotel room. a “miserable failure” as you accurately put it.

Ive been trying to come up with a theory of whether or not this MIB/Moses/Esau manifestation had occupied the bodies of two different people simultaneously, but I havent been able to take the time to sit down and digest it all yet. (I had to work like 14 hours yesterday) But once I do I will see if I can come up with any proof. The scene in “Dead is Dead” where Ben goes in the Temple may be the biggest clue we have to support youre theory, because when Locke disappears is when we see Smokey, then a minute later Alex, then a minute later Locke again. So that may help prove your theory.

As for Eko’s death, it always pissed me off how they made it so sudden and seemingly pointless, but if what you say is true, then it may have aided in serving a greater purpose for the show since Eko was unremorseful for his sins, whereas others were. So thats a good insight you provided.

finally as for Juliette, I always thought she was going to die this season, and I heard she has been cast as a lead or major role in another ABC show that will be coming out soon. So hopefully she is coming back, but they may have to write her off becasue of this. It was interesting how she was the only one to not have been visited by Jacob, but she was also the only one in the flashbacks NOT to have crashed on the island, but was recruited by Richard to be there and arrived via Submarine.

Lulubell, in RE to post 113,

“Jacob really didnt put up a fight, wouldn’t he know that the person wasn’t Locke but he’s nemsis in his body?”

I think Jacob knew it was his nemesis as soon as he walked in the temple. Maybe he sensed it or something but he defintiely knew cause he says “you found your loophole”

Whats funny about it, is that yes, he didnt put up a fight, because I think Jacob has a plan, and his plan involved letting Ben “kill” him. Whats funny about it is that Ben supposedly “always has a plan” but in this case, since he hasnt planned killing Jacob, and was manipulated into it, he was acting on the fly. You can see he was having doubts about killing him when he was standing in front of him, so he obviusly did not plan this. SO it will be interesting to see what consequences Ben faces now. He was usually 2 steps ahead of everyone, now it seems as if Jacob is two steps ahead and Ben is behind. Interesting turn of events for Bens character.

AS for Walt and Claire, Claire will be in season 6 for sure. But I hope they dont abandon Walt completely. My girlfriend and I were talking about it the other night, saying that they better tie his story up somehow. Hes been built up for the first 2 seasons, that they better bring him full circle in some way as well. If not I wll feel cheated.
ben didnt have a plan, jacob did

Scoppie- well done with pointing out that it looks like Moses can only inhabit one body at a time. I always thought it a little strange when Locke left after Ben fell in the hole, and miraculously returned after Ben saw Smokie and Alex. If this is true then this would mean that when we saw Christian/moses and Claire in the cabin in season 4, she was not dead, but only stunned. That is how we will see her in season 6.

Moohaha- Great anaysis on bug-eyed Ben. Yes, I so look forward to seeing his reaction and the repercussions for offing Jacob, even though I think it is part of the plan. I think that Ben moves way up on the death watch list because of this. Still, the guy deserves an emmy award for outstanding acting.

Well, I am going to go into a fetal position and ride out the next 8 months depressed until LOST comes back again!!!!

TL, good call on Claire and Christian at the cabin at the same time. If that theory is true, (I hope it is) then she cant be dead.

There have been all those theories of her being in limbo, or dead and not knowing it on this site. People had commented on remakrs that Miles made to her just after her house exploded seeing as how he can speak to the dead. I never thought she was dead, but the thought of her being dazed or under some kind of trance seems logical.

But do we think that seeing Claire in the cabin has anything to do with the circle of ash being broken?

Maybe because it was broken is what allowed Locke to interact with Claire in the cabin? I have no idea!

Sandy, Re: post 95
dire wolf, Re: post 106
Like I said in post 40 I also think MIB is the smoke monster. The colours (Black smoke), MIB is sort of like a judging character where as Jacob is more of a protector. There are many things that can lead to this conclusion I just didn’t really have the time to put them all together yet.

When Richard visits young Locke, he puts some objects on the table and asks Locke to tell him what belongs to him already.
Locke chooses 3 things: a recipient with ashes, a compass and a knife. Richard gets disapointed and leaves.

Some of the items chosen could belong to the fake Locke(MIB) and not the real one! The ashes of around the cabin and the knife looked loke the one Locke gave Ben to kill Jacob. The compass i guess really belonged to the true Locke.
Besides, there was a drawing Locke made wich was hanging on the wall and it showed the smoke monster.It could effort the notion that MIB is smokie.How could a real young Locke know about it and draw it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmKcKiz05Ns

I guess what Locke should have chosen was the book of laws wich was there too, and appears in a very intriguing scene where Eko gives it to Locke and tells him a story.Check around minute 1:35.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ev-GtTAw84

Jacob doesn’t really seem to me to be a protector as much as a guider or a benevolent father. He just says I’m sorry and points you in the right direction but doesn’t interfere with life. It’s up to Jack to stand up to Christian, or Kate not to steal…I can’t understand the Syad’s wife getting hit by the bus. Was he saving Syad or letting her die? Maybe it was Syad choosing to help a stranger that saved him…
Christian is the man in black who tells Locke her must die…leading Locke to near suicide.
Hurley is a innocent, faithful servant who Jacob loves, he follows almost blindly on faith.
I’m a bit disappointed because I feel it’s going to a familiar conclusion
ie Darth Vadar, Harry Potter,Lion King,New Testament….Blah Blah Blah
I guess it true that there are only a few original storylines and they are all dressed differently.

anyone notice the different ending – instead of white LOST on black, it was white LOST on black?

Also, the ABC recap says the statue is Taweret http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=recap#t=162212&d=201648

but I completely disagree when you compare Taweret with Sobek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret vs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobek

re post 117

also about juliette…jacob didnt visit nor touch her and she ends up dying (presumed) so that could have a connection also…..ok sorry for three posts in a row….things just kept coming to me….have a good weekend peeps

I think in the 8 month break I’m going to watch them all from the beginning of season 1:) in the words of Metallica ’sad but true’ !!! Lol

Hi Folks. I just had my second look, and have a few points to make.

Richard was definately suspicisous of John. First, in last week’s eposide right after John brought the boar to Richard’s camp, Richard said “John, you seem different.” Next, when they were walking towards the statute, Richard said that Ben told him that he strangeld John, and was sure he was dead and saw his coffin, so how are you alive, and that he has been on the island a long time and had never seen someone raised from the dead. John then said that he has never seen anyone not age, and richard said that Jacob made him that was so he assumed that Jacob brought JOhn back from the dead. Last, when Richard was in the tunnel wtih Ellie, Sayid and Jack, he asked Jack if he knew John and said that he had been off the island 3 times to see John and John NEVER seemed special.

Now, I know that Richard is the only one who lives in 2 time periods or dimensions, but clearly he knew something was up, and was trying to figure it out. What is my point? I don’t know yet. Maybe that Richard will be prominent in future episodes.

Next thing is that the second time John went to the cabin (when Hurley and Ben were sitting outside) in season 4, Christian/ Moses told John to move the island. But, Ben did instead. Later when John went down the well Moses told John (via Christian) that Ben was not supposed to to move the island by John was. And, John did.

So, my questions is was it Moses’s original plan for John to leave the island and for Ben to stay?? Or for both to leave?? Or, because Ben left instead of John, Moses needed to improvise to get John out of there, so he kept the island off the axis so that he could convince John that it needed to be fixed.

Given that we now know that Christain was Moses, Moses had to have some reason for telling John to move the island which wold make John leave. So, did Moses arrange all the off-island events after John left to make sure he was dead, and brought back to the islan?? If so, that would mean that Moses, like Jacob, was able to go off the island. So that makes me wonder if he impersonated Widmore to convince John to get the others to go back. The only problem with that is that Widmore is not dead (or as far as we know). Maybe Moses was Abaddon?? He was a little creepy after all. Or, someone else. Or, off island maybe Moses could impersonate anyone living.

I know this is confusing, but any thoughts???

IIII FIIIINAAAALLLYYY WWWWAAATCHEEED IT!!!!!! OMG!!!! MAN! I HAVE TO CATCH UP ON WHAT ALL OF YOU HAVE SAID…

I WAS SO UPSET I MISSED IT WED! AND HAD TO WAIT TILL SAT. 3AM TO WATCH IT…

QUOTE HURLEY…”Didn’t see that coming”

Glad you finally watched it Jase, your theories/opinions are always top-notch, we’ll all be waiting for you to pick up the pieces of your brain (it took me a few hours!) and try to make sense of it all.

One bum note that struck me while watching it a second time – how close is the statue to the original 815 camp?! Less than a day’s walk along the shoreline? And NOBODY spotted this hulking great foot until Sayid, Jin and Sun went for a sail?

I know I have a habit of picking at holes in logic at times but this one is quite glaring – it just makes a mockery of all the survivors running around searching for answers when the island’s boss has been catching guppies a few hours down the beach.

I would take one explanation as to why it’s never been seen before, and one only – that whenever the Losties got anywhere near it before, Smokie popped up and chased them off. And now that he’s occupying Locke (and wants to get to Jacob anyway) he can’t and won’t do that anymore. Oh, I’ve just answered my own criticism.

Other stuff – I think Rose offered Juliet tea because she recognised that Sawyer had looked at Kate when he should have been looking at her. This was when Juliet realised that everything had to be prevented, and she looked a bit shaken.

Also – after Alpert knocked out Hawking in the tunnels he called her The Leader, which confirms what I’ve thought for a while, Ellie was leader, then was banished from, or chose to leave the island with young Daniel, while Widmore remained and became The Leader after her.

The most fascinating bit for me though is still the opening, the words exchanged between the two men (which, by the way, were very 20th Century in tone – I’d have prefered a little more Olde Worlde speak, something Shakespearian perhaps). Their difference in beliefs – that people (humans?) are either basically good and worth saving or basically destructive and corrupt – has obviously driven events on the island for centuries.

Having Locke be possessed for most of this season was an absolute masterstroke from the writers. It’s really obvious when you look back at it, but as events were unfolding none of us really wanted to believe that he might not be his real self, because we all love his character so much we WANTED him to have been resurrected and given another chance. But of course, so did everyone else IN THE SHOW. From Jack to Richard Alpert, heck even Ben Linus, all of them felt exactly like we all do about John – what a great guy, what a trooper, what a shame he’s such a loser, if only he could succeed.

And so when he “returned from the dead” the characters on the show wanted to believe it as much as we who are watching it. And Moses/Esau/MIB exploited everyone’s hopes for John Locke, and essentially the optomistic belief of Jacob that everybody deserves saving, and turned it to his own advantage.

How evil can you get?

I’m sure Juliet was pregnant too – if a woman of child-bearing years puts her hand to her stomach on TV it is the universal sign for pregnancy!
Also, I have a feeling the bomb didn’t explode. When Sayid is in the hatch he talks about something being encased in concrete, like at Chernobyl. I think they might have poured concrete down the hole to make the bomb safe and this what Sayid noticed.
Excellent finale.

Is Ben really being manipulated? Since he has always been ‘2 steps ahead’ of everyone else maybe he somehow is in on Jacobs plan? I just don’t buy he has never seen Jacob.

Number 1 when Ben saw the ash barrier around the cabin was broken he looked scared like he knew what evil was unleashed. So I’m thinking he must have an understanding of the Jacob (good) and Moses (bad) situation.

Number 2 The remark he made to Richard regarding fake Locke wanting to go see Jacob. ‘Locke is going to be a problem’ It wasn’t the ‘30 years and I’ve never seen him, why does Locke get to see him’ comment he made while in the presence of Jacob.

Number 3 When Ilana saw Jacob in the hospital I got the feeling they already knew each other. “I’m sorry I didn’t come earlier” (isn’t that one thing he said?). There must be a BIGGER PLAN Jacobs has. Number 4 Ben’s lack of interest in the case Ilana had (that had Real dead Locke in it). Like he knew what it was and that she had to carry out her side of the plan and he would carry out his. I think Ben’s job was to let fake Locke get comfortable, think he was in control.

I’ve seen a lot of biblical references from all your comments… why not Jacob let himself be sacrificed and then be resurrected. Fake Locke/Moses/MiB will then get his punishment and Jacob will continue do whatever he was trying to do before. How this all fits into next season and the ending…I haven’t the slightest just wanted to throw it out there. Ben is def my favorite character.

Scoppie…..you explained the Locke snenerio so freakin dead on! When they dumped Locke’s body out…My heart sunk for the man! Then I thought….damn…..whose next…Jack. You are right, incredible writting.

acer_7….yea….what’s up with Lapidus being a “candidate”…

SCOTT!!! HOLY CRAP!!!! YOU JUST MIGHT BE RIGHT! ABOUT BEN AAAANNNNDD JACOB!!!! If so….the writters realllllllyyyy but it on us if it plays out like you’re saying.

I don’t know about everyone else but what still gets me is I keep saying to myself…..noway…does all this really come down to these two…Jacob and the man. At that point, as a viewer I felt humbled cause I just realized this all has been waaaaaaaayyyy over my head. Here we are coming up with all these theories and like the charactors running around trying to work their personal situations out, here we are doing it right along with them, and them BAM….it’s elluded to that this is all some grudge match between two individuals…. (like God and Satin…etc etc.)

I really hope the charactors and everyone else that’s been envolved in their eluded demise end up squashing the two of them.

I promise…last one…..

BEN IS GOOOOOOD!!!!!!! HAHAHAH

Totallylost-

good to be baaaacccckkkk. I also like your theory on the Moses bit.

gillyjay- on your bomb theory, the thing sayid is talking about is the
radioactive/magnetic force that was leaked with the drilling,but the bomb is
supposed to have prevented that

acer_7, so your saying that llana knew jacob would “die”? so Lupidus will be the
new “jacob”?…i hope not, i can only stomach Lupidus for only a lil while

scott, is ben knows about fake ben then he is a step ahead of moses/mib…? so
is he on jacobs side or another side of his own?

jason, jacobs meeting with jun and sun is significant because he tells them
their love is beautiful and that they shouldnt take it for granted,but sun then
cheats on jin, this is their sin, and with that, i kinda think the baby isnt jins,
….that would be something wouldnt it!

Also, candidates are people that can become the next “jacob” incase he dies.

The big picture is who would want to kill Jacob and why?

Esau wanted to kill Jacob according to the Bible because he stole his birthright of the firstborn son, but was forbidden to do so by God when Jacob repented. Esau still wants to kill Jacob, but is forbidden to do so, therefore, he needs someone else to kill Jacob for him. Hence, I believe it Esau disguised as Jacob who visited the survivors as part of a master plan to finally kill Jacob. Who he still has not forgiven in hundreds of years.

Acer_7- As I was reading the beginning of your post I thought that maybe the plan of Jacob all along was for him to die so that Locke could become the new “good” force on the island that can kill Moses because he cannot. After all, the real Locke is a good guy at heart who has been abandoned (by his mother) used (by his no-good daddy), dumped (by helen), and misunderstood by all, so maybe he is the good force to take over the island. Jacob knew this but had to die for this to happen becase there can be only 1 good force on the island. So, maybe Locke will be resurrected near the statute when Jacob dies, and war with Moses/Easue/MIB for control of the island.

Maybe Jacob has been looking for someone to take over the island for some time, but Ben is too scandalous (and a compulsive liar), Widmore is too ruthless, Ellie is to mean (and ugly), Jack is weak, and the list goes on. Also, Richard is already in another permanent role where he does not age, so Locke is a perfect candidate.

Totallylost Ellie was quite fit in Jughead, but what can I say see aged badly.

I know we assume from this episode Jacob is good and MIB is bad as that is what all the signs have shown us. But wouldn’t it be typical of LOST to make us spend the all these months coming up with a load of theories on the basis of what we have seen so far, just to have them battered down at the start of the next series.

One thing that has being bugging me is that Ben/Richard kept telling Locke that “everyone answers to someone” and that they answer to Jacob. Could it be that it turns out Jacob answers to someone, the island or perhaps Vincent. For some reason I can’t get that sentence out of my head as I think they are implying more than simply they answer to Jacob because he is the ‘top dog’.

tyler- i love your comment about Jacob not using Ben because Ben relied on science. that is such a parallel to the Bible in that Jacob(God) wants his people to have faith and believe in him, but when people try to solve things other than Gods way, this is going about things the wrong way.

And to add to this(this thought just came along as i was writing)…Ben would be the perfect “candidate” to kill Jacob, at first Ben as a child was one who was looking for answers, once he gained knowledge, he then tried to fix everything and do things his way, he always said he was doing things in “the name of the island and Jacob” but he really wasn’t, and that opened him up for deception, if he was following in the right footsteps, he would never be easily deceived.

I think Ben represents the human race as a whole, we all are in search of answers,and when we try to figure things out on our on,we always fail,but if we just left things into the hands of God,everything would be just fine.

Ok….last one again…for now….LOL.

OK…dead is dead so Locke is dead. New Locke is now shape shifting man who we assume is the MIB.

Jacob seems to be…”..the good guys”.

WE….all know this is about black vs. white/ good verses evil.

WE….all know Locke and Jack had been at odds in the past. But, in time Jack came to his senses. But again, eitherway it still set up a Locke vs. Jack/ Man vs Science/ Freewill vs. Destiny or Fate.

I SAY ALL THIS TO SAY THIS…. could it be we will actually see a war between Jack and “Locke”who we know is not “actually” Locke. and if so is Widmore still connected to this somehow. WAIT…I just remembered something. Both Ben and Widmore told Locke how he had no idea how special he was. Ok…this is going to be too hard to explain so I will stop.. in a nutshell though will we see in the future…

Jack vs Locke(since the character in now bad but not Locke)
Ben vs Widmore
Jacob vs MIB/Moses/shape shifting he/it

Wolowitz- when I wrote that post I was thinking of Old Ellie, not one in the finale!!!!!

And, Wolowitz, I think you are dead on. Our theories will likley be blown out of the water in the first 10 minutes of next season. I have to admit though that I never saw a fake Locke coming. I admit that I was fooled, and will sureley be fooled again.

Jason- I think that Moses has appeared off island as Widmore and Abaddon, but instead of inhabiting a dead body (as on island) off island he could just impersonate them so long as the originals were not present. I know, crazy, but stranger things have happened.

Here is one more question. At what point did Illana et all know that John was in the crate?? She spoke to the fake John early on and did not seem suspicious. So, was the plan to say the words “what resides under the statute”, collect her crew and then get the crate out of the plane?? Did Jacob somehow tell her once she got the island to get the crate??

And, why did Illana go to the cabin first instead of the statute? Was she expecting Jacob to be there so she could bring him Locke’s body?? In such case it would seem that maybe Jacob was in the cabin and being protected by the ash circle. Maybe he also made that painting of Vincent on the floor. So, maybe the “moving” cabin was used by Moses/MIB/Esau.

andre…. I feel (for now) Jack and many of the other Lostees were part of a contingency plan set in motion by Jacob.

Totallylost,…I understand what you are saying given that Ben was killing off some of “Widmores” people by Sayid. Now…if we go with the theory Ben all along has been working with Jacob even to the point of sacrifice… then Sayid killing (forgot his name but the one Sayid killed in the economist on the golf course) who by the way was mentioned by Illana as a relative of hersm….so…if Ben is working with Jacob on some master plan and Illana is as well then why would Ben advise Sayid to kill Mr. Man on the golf course.

Eitherway…I like your idea about IT taking the form of Widmore and Abaddon but for now…I think it was actually them.

Thanks to all for the great comments and insights, as usual.

Adam — definitely agree with you on the Rose/Bernard theory, which ties into the black/white imagery from season 1.

about the first guy in the beginning when jacob and him were looking the Black Rock coming to the island: this guy remains a mystery but i am sure that he is behind the possession of Locke’s body (and of christian’s as well). that is the way he decided to kill jacob, as he mentionned in the beginning. and maybe, this guy is behind the black smoke as well, but definitely an open quetion with this episode.

what is interesting is that jacob visited all the losties before coming to the island… as he somehow knew… and also, seems that he made john come back to life. definitely he can see the future… also another aspect is that he doesnt grow old…but yet it seems that he can die… strange strange

so the question is: is locke dead or alive? the real locke.

“Ille qui nos omnes servabit”

“That one who will save/protect us all”

What if Moses/Esau/MIB is Magnus Hanso, Alvar Hanso’s great grandfather, who I think was the captain of the black rock??

I am having a hard time getting on board with the thought that every vision, or everyone that has been seen on the island that had died before is always the MIB. I can see it with Christian. And even with Alex. But I just don’t see that everyone else has just been the MIB trying to get people to fulfill his wishes. Season 6 can easily prove me wrong, but right now I’m going to think that the MIB has been limited to Christian and Locke’s body, and possibly the scene with Alex.

To Jason, I believe that Hurley’s visions are just visions, and not actually Jacob’s rival trying to manipulate him. However, every other Dead person is the rival. Remember when Hurley’s imaginary friend “Dave” appeared on the island? That was probably Jacob’s rival. He probably told Hurley to kill himself because he doesn’t want Hurley to find the cabin.

Since we do not know his name.
MIB = Men in black…this guy Jacob’s rival was wearing black shirt at the start of the show.

To Karen
You asked what language was Ilana speaking..in the hospital you mean?.She spoke Russian…

Hi everyone,

I wonder if the time loophole has something to do with Locke leaving the island via the FDW 4 days after the O6 left the island in 2004 and Locke arriving on the mainland about 1 month(?) before they got on Ajira316 in 2007.

He is missing 3 years of his life – is this where the Locke that is alive on the island in 2007/208 comes from. It seems to be some sort of anomaly so maybe this is the loophole.

I don’t think Locke is possessed in anyway by MIB – we know about time travel and the fact that a person can be in the same time zone as themselves so this can explain why there are 2 Lockes. What we don’t know is WHY Locke is behaving differently…

Neppari – I agree, maybe MIB is Jeremy Bentham, who Locke has also played the part of.

Hey guys I hope you all had a good weekend.

I read all your post and MAN you have put a lot of insight into this but on a few I have to disagree.

MIB and Jacob In my opinion is not Moses or Esau. I Googled Sobek and here is part of the definition it came up with:
Sobek’s ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself, for example, going to Duat to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death. He was also said to call on suitable gods and goddesses required for protecting people in situation, effectively having a more distant role, nudging things along, rather than taking an active part. In this way, he was seen as a more primal god, eventually becoming regarded as an avatar of the primal god Amun, who at that time was considered the chief god. When his identity finally merged, Amun had become merged himself with Ra to become Amun-Ra, so Sobek, as an avatar of Amun-Ra, was known as Sobek-Ra.
I choose to go with the definition as a distant God to nudge things along. He has given everyone a chance to correct themselves so to speak. Kate to quit stealing, Sawyer to not let revenge eat away at him, Jack to be his own man, so on and so forth.

What if these are Gods? We have an answer for Jacob but what about MIB? I will try to do some research on Sobek nemesis and see what pops up.

I feel that MIB is the smoke monster and he killed echo because he couldn’t be remorseful because he believed in what he did.

Sorry guys for the third post but I found this interesting:
Khonsu (Khons, Chons, Khensu) was a god of the moon and time. His cult center was at Thebes where he was part of a triad with Amun and Mut. He was one of the companions of Thoth (who was also associated with the moon and the measurement of time). It was thought that he could influence the fertility of both the people and their livestock and one myth (recorded on the walls of the Ptolemaic temple of Khonsu at Karnak) gives him a prominent role in the creation of the universe. He was also revered as a god of healing, as is recorded in the story of the “Princess of Bekheten”. It was said that he personally healed the pharaoh Ptolemy IV (who took the epithet “beloved of Khonsu who protects the king and drives away evil spirits” in thanks for the gods help) and he was also thought to extend his protection to the common people. As a result, many Egyptians were named after him.

However, he also had a darker side. During the early part of Egyptian history, Khonsu seems to have been considered to be a violent and dangerous god. He appears in the “Cannibal hymn” (part of the Pyramid Texts) as a blood-thirsty deity who helps the deceased king to catch and eat the other gods and the Coffin Texts describe him as “Khonsu who lives on hearts”. Yet, by the New Kingdom he was worshipped primarily as the gentle and compassionate son of Amun and Mut.

Although firmly associated with Amun and Mut at Thebes at Kom Ombo Khonsu was considered to be the son of Sobek and Hathor (again linking him to Horus) and in Edfu he was considered to be the son of Osiris and known as “the son of the leg” (the leg being the part of the dead king’s body which was thought to have been found in that nome).

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/khonsu.html

You know we’ve had A LOT of father son issues in the past 5 years maybe this could explain why…. Just a thought.

Black vs white
good vs evil
“the war”…typically two sides against one another.
It is def coming to a fight. I still don’t think we have any idea of who is good or bad tho.

I don’t know if that bomb 100% went off. All we saw was a white flash, to me that signifies a time shift. which is what I think happened.

I think Jacob and other guy reference my theory in the beginning. I feel they are constantly going through the same time loop. Black rock gets there, the others, dharma, flight 815 and ends with the destruction of the island. I believe other guy says something along the lines of corruption and destruction. Then Jacob says if it doesn’t than it’s progress. So i think that all this happens along the same lines all the time. (I previously had a similar theory about Ben.) Jacob is trying to change that and the other guy is doing the opposite. some shit like that. I just feel in some way its all a time loop.

i think next season starts with jack waking up like he has in past seasons and everyone getting together to fight. Fake Locke mentions that he wants to take care of the flight ajira people so i would say he is a bad guy. anyone who came here on a flight is a good guy (although the group might be split up by writers to make two groups for the war.) whidmore, ellie and dez have to come back to the island I think. and I think walt and aaron are also going to play a role in the whole thing.

i think juliette is dead also

Hi everyone, I’m so confused so I wonder if you could help remind me of a few things. Here goes….

1. When Sawyer killed Locke’s dad… was he really on the island or was it somebody impersonating him? If it was real how did her get there? Can’t quite figure that out, I’ve probably just forgot something really trivial.

2.Where is young Ben? I can remember him being shot by Sayid and being taken out of camp but can’t remember what happened afte that.

3. I think the language of the opeing scene was strange. As it was supposed to be all those hundreds of years ago surely the grammar and accents would have been different. My boyfriend doesn’t really watch Lost and he didn’t realise that that scene was based all those years ago due to the language and stuff. Do you think this was just overlooked? I find it hard to believe that they wouldn’t have picked up on this so maybe it’s like that for a reason? Maybe everything is just repeated over and over and so as time has gone by Jacob has picked up 20th Century language and this is why he’s talking like that? I dont know!!! lol

4. The pregnancy issue: It appears that until the statue was destroyed women could deliver babies fine. Maybe the incident caused the statue to break. we know that the incident causes the need for the button to be pressed every 60 seconds and failure to do this effects the timeline. So perhaps this unsecure timeline effects the growth of the foetus in the womb and causes all these problems??

5. Last thing….. how are the incident and the loophole connected? if they are at all??? lol

Thanks!

Haley- We never found out how Locke’s father came to this island. He was just in the “magic box” as Ben called it. Nor do we know if it was really him given what has happened in this episode.

As for Ben, we never saw Ben again after Richard took him into the temple. I am also still not sure why RIchard took him there if Jacob lived under the statute.

As for your comment on the language, good call on that. I don’t think that anyone else has brought that up. I have no answer to that. Same with the pregnacy issue, although someone above suggested that the incident caused the statute to be destroyed.

Last, I don’t think we know for sure (like everything else with this show) if or even how the incident and loophole are connected. If in fact the loophole was Esua/MIB/Moses impersonating others and Locke to manipuulate Ben into killing Jacob, than maybe the incident was Jacob’s plan to get the losties to the future to right this wrong. Who knows. We will start finding out ina about 8 months!!!

Regarding Juliette; I originally thought she was going to die this season, I thought after the finale that she was actually dead. I did, however, keep hope alive that she may not be dead.

but after reading everyones comments from this weekend, I feel that with everyone on the same page about her character, and with her doing a new show, that any hope of her return is now gone. Shes dead.

The only minor thing that we may be able to cling to is that she may come back in the same regard as Jin. The season 4 finale had him exploding and led most of us to believe he died. only to have him resurface in season 5. The situations are different, but I feel if there is any hope of her being alive, that may be the only case that could support it. Ultimately, I think she is gone for good.

Also….if the theory of MIB/Moses/Easu being the smoke monster, or controlling the smoke monster, does anyone have any theories as to why smoke monster just flat out killed the pilot of 815 and the girl on Rousseaus science team. They didnt appear to have done anything wrong. Were they just to be made examples of, or if MIB is an incarnation of the monster, did he just not like the look of these people?

Even further, if this was in fact the MIB, maybe they will explain why he Smoke monster tried to drag Locke down the vent in season 1, and Montrand in season 5. He was trying to capture them, not kill them. Perhaps there was a reason for that? What does smoke monster have different “settings? Capture mode and berserker kill mode? I dont get that. Any ideas?

Hurley’s friend from the hospital was never on the island, but the smoke monster was able to impersonate him also. So the smoke monster must read your memories and be able to impersonate/shape shift into anyone or anything from your past memories.

I believe Smokey/Esau was in the cabin impersonating Jack’s father. I believe Esau/smokey was impersonating Locke. I think we can agree that Smokey/Esau has the power to shape shift, but we have not seen that ability from Jacob. Therefore, Smokey/Esau must have been in the cabin since we can agree that it was Jack’s father in the cabin.

One thing that doesn’t make sense to me is that we have seen Claire and Jack’s father together. Meaning either there is more than one shape shifter, spirits are actually on the island other than just Esau/Smokey, or Claire is not dead.

Did Dave ever exist? I thought he was just an imaginary character in Hurley’s head?

I can’t wait for the new season! I really have no clue whats to come, but I love reading everyones thoughts and predictions..especially Al Trautwig’s…he always brings up good points. His latest discussion is here: Al Trautwig Thoughts

totallylost! Im here!! )

hey ken, post 188 – extensive but very interesting! thanks a lot!
i too think that MIB is smokey – who/what else could it be?? i would like to know in season 6 why Richard doesnt age and why Jacob didnt age as well, yet he can die!
funny seeing locke kicking him into the fire – normally that would have been a major thing but it was like nothing! Ben was so shocked though

i agree that the statue may have been destroyed with the incident but normally the wreckage of the statue should have been somewhere, in the sea or aournd the island. yet, there is nothing! and who made it? a statue that big made by man hand, kinda difficult to conceive… yet piramides were done that way and this is an egyptian statue. a link there?

Rousseau thought her friends had become possessed by smokie. Maybe that is why it’ll capture some people while killing others. If smokie sees the person as valuable it catures them, and then releases. Is it possible that one or two characters have been possessed by smokie and no one has realized it yet?

I wonder if smokie actually kills the person can it still impersonate them or does someone/something else have to kill them. Cuz why not just kill Locke or Ben and impersonate them.

Speaking of Walt, he has appeared 2 times when we know he was not dead. The first to Shannon and Sayid right before Anna-Lucia blew shannon away. Second, just after Ben shot John and he fell the in the Dharma grave, Walt told John to get up because he had work to do. So, if, as the general consensus seems to be that Moses/MIB/Esau can inhabit the dead, who inhabited walt?? Well, what if it was jacob who can inhabit or impersonate the living, while MIB can only inhabit the dead? Any thoughts??

JOnathan: re psot 210- I feel your pain!! Wolowitz– same thing re Jin!!!!

Moohaha- Great catch on questioning why smokey grabbed Montrand, the pilot and Danielle’s other crew member. Come to think of it, the pilot got it just as bad, if not worse, than Echo!!!

Is anyone with me on MIB/Moses/Esau being Magnus Hanso, or am I to stand alone on that one. Moohaha??????

hi everyone.. 2 pts.. First the statue is not sobek,its taweret, confirmed on ABC’s site,though taweret is closely linked to sobek. Second, i dont know who said it..about Richard burying dead bodies so that esau cant use them. I dont agree. Locke’s body was never buried..How did he use that??
Funny side of it,have u guys realized that a certain character named locke has been on a world tour in 1/2 coffins for almost 2 seasons? :p
the broken statue? definitely hugo fell on it!

Karen – its a hypothesis! in the bible, jacob’s elder brother was esau, the latter planned to kill him.
also,walt appeared to john,when john was shot and was trying to kill himself. Walt told him he had work to do

Gavin….very funny comment about statue and Hurley…hehehe

Adam….time loop…I agree. During this episode Sayid and Jack were having a conversation about Faraday’s comment about being inline with time. I personally keep going back to the “Surge” and Richard and Ben being extremely aware of time. Maybe this also relates to the time loop.?

Has someone lost their mind!!!!!

If you look at the pictures of Taweret she is a hippopotamus and she has saggy boobs! I don’t remember the statue on the island having those.

Can someone help me on this?

i love what al trautwig said……thought he was right on.

for those out of country al trautwig was/is an american sportscaster. the link is in above post. i agree with almost everything.

i dont think the bomb went off.
i think they will meet back in time to repeat things but they will have their memories and will change some events and end up staying on the island.
good stuff

Hey guys, i was trying to figure it out:

what exactly is Jacob’s list? Who is on it?

I dont think we’ve had an answer so far.

This last episode may elude us to think that the people Jacob visited were on his list.

But i remember Mikhail once said to Kate, Sayid and Locke that they were not on the list, and some other time another guy told Jack he wasnt also. Mikhail also said he was brought to the island by a ”magnificent man”, and seemed to know a lot about the losties.

So who is on the list? Does it matter at all? Any ideas?

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Four-toed_statue

The broadcast company have confirmed it is Tawaret

- I believe the Esau x Jacob theorie fits just fine.

– Why the hell the 06 had to come back anyway?
Just to bring Locke´s body to Esau?
Ms. Hawking also told them to go back…
Please someone clarify this.

– About lame motivations again, Kate said she was back to the island just to find Claire. Well, she did zero actions in that way!!!

- To reinforce the JACOB X ESAU theorie.

In the Bible, Esau sold Jacob his first-born birthright for some stew Jacob was making.

Thats why in that scene they showed Jacob cooking that fish, and the other guy ironically said, ”I just ate”. They were refering to that biblical story, cause the last time he was fed by jacob he lost really precious in those ancient days, by selling his right to be the oldest twin.

Sawyer once was reading a book called ”the bad twin”.

– Someone asked why smokie killed the pilot in the first episode?

I think he tought the pilot was Lapidus, cause he was the one to be there, and Lapidus seems important to Jacob, even a candidate for something important.

Regarding if Locke’s father was real when Sawyer killed him at the black rock, I think it was really him. This was his story, from lostpedia
“he was driving down I-10 through Tallahassee when someone slammed into the back of his car, sending him through the divider at 70 miles per hour. He remembers being put in an ambulance, where one of the paramedics smiled at him, receiving some kind of injection, and then waking up gagged and tied to a chair on The Island.(“The Brig”)”

About Smokie killing some presumably without a judgement, I would say it may have something to do with the how close they are to whatever he is guarding. They were to close so they never got a chance.

HEY ALL….I am just gong to through this out there to see what anyone may think. Now if it has been mentioned I apologize….

What if Jacob is Ben??? There have been some theories that Ben may have been working with Jacob, and of course Ben…always being ahead. What if when they(Kate and Sawyer) when they took young Ben to the “Hostiles”..Jacob then somehow became incarnated hiself to be Ben…and this is Jacob’s way of staying a step ahead of MIB?

Dick Sargeant,

You may be on to something. It ties in with something I was pondering. Illana headed straight for the cabin and seemed concerned that the ring of ash had been broken. We think there is a better than fair chance it was Esau (not Jacob) living in the cabin – so was Illana actually going there to take something to Esau (not Jacob) either knowingly or having been tricked by Esau having posed as Jacob at the hospital.

I don’t think it is as simple as just ‘good’ against ‘evil’ with Esau and Jacob. To me it doesn’t feel like either one of them is all good or all bad. I am reminded slightly of a book called ‘ghost story’ by Peter Straub where the ‘evil’ character was essentially immortal. She spent generations shaping and intertwining the lives of the mere mortals she had selected to be part of the game. She did so because she had contempt for the lesser creatures and was bored. It feels a bit like that with Jacob and Esau…..they may be immortal, or Gods, or something similar, and they spend their entire lives playing out their schemes to thwart each other over decades and centuries, twisting the lives of those around them to achieve their ends.

The motivation certainly seems more about the two twins striving for seniority / superiority than it does about good vs evil.

Two other questions if anyone can answer them for me please.
1) When the US Army team with Jughead got wiped out, why have the US authorities not come looking for the island with all the resources at their disposal.
2) What has become of all the off-island Dharma folk at ann arbor etc?

Jonathan,

yeah dude, Ive been saying that since Kates last episode. If she went back to find Claire, get off your ass and go look for her. She was all concerned about baby Ben, well fuck him!! Where the fuck is Claire?

She needs to get her priorities straight!!!

Are you getting your wires crossed with the Keemey team of mercenaries who came to get Ben? If so, you are right about them being backed by Widmore.

I’m talking about the soldiers that were there to test detonate a hydrogen bomb. This was back in 1954, when Widmore was a young man and was, in fact, already one of the ‘others’ on the island…..along with a young Ellie.

I don’t remember any US Military being involved in the show. I have watched every episode live and then again on DVD. Just the guy pressing the button, but I don’t remember him being in contact with the outside world or ever corresponding with the US Military.

Hey,

There is a nice idea that I read in one of the websites. Did anyone notice that Jacob did the opposite to the personalities of the losties (when they were young) ?
For example, Kate: He told her not to steal again.
Sawyer: sawyer was writing the letter when his pen ran out of ink. His relative wouldn’t have seen the letter if it weren’t for Jacob who gave him a pen to finish the letter.

Would it that be a trial from Jacob to change their past ? What if this appeared to be something like the flashforward shock we had at the end of season 3 ?

AGAIN I am LOST

Thanks Andy, will do. Will be watching the entire season again when the DVD comes out as I get LOST as an annual Christmas gift.

As regards to who Ilana and her gang are. I was thinking that they could be similar to the ‘cult’ that protects the secret of the Holy Grail in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

They give their life to protect the secrets of Jacob and the island, thus they came to the island because of the danger they knew Jacob was in. This would explain how they know so much about the island and can walk straight to Jacob’s cabin (although he may have never even been in the cabin as it turns out now) and then on the statue, but they have spent their entire life on ‘mainland’ keeping the secrets of the island thus why they knew of Richard but not actually in person as they had never met and therefore called him Ricardus.

The Jughead-US Military: I took these exerts from another site “…Daniel notices that one of his captors is wearing bandages that he believes cover burns from radiation exposure. Miles begins to behave erratically and tells Daniel that they are walking over top of a fresh grave that is less than a month old. He says that the grave contains the bodies of four U.S. soldiers, three of whom were shot and a fourth who died from radiation exposure…. The Others believe them to be members of the United States military who have come for “the bomb”….”
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jughead

After reading this I had to wonder if Richard killed the US soldiers because they were going to detonate the bomb, then why let Jack and co. blow up the bomb later?

jonathan,
I 100% agree with you on post 254, having the reason for them being in different time periods as a random thing that happened because they were not able to recreate the original crash well enough, well that is disappointing as you said.
I also have yet to understand why anyone had to come back. Is the answer that MIB needed Ben and Locke to come back to be able to kill Jacob and the only way for that to happen was for them to recreate the 815 crash as well as possible. (i.e. Ben needed to kill Locke and see him apparently living again back on the island so that he had to follow him, making it necessary to leave and the reason they all had to come back as stated above)

One other thing I have been wondering and I don’t think they have answered it in the show yet but why with a mother named Hawkings and a father named Widmore, is Daniels last name Faraday. Probably very simple answer and nothing to it but I was wondering can anyone recall a reason for this?

Jones….i was also wondering why the hell is Daniels second name Faraday but his mothers is Hawking and his fathers Widmore, that´s totally bullshit and makes no sense!!!! Maybe daniel was stolen as a child, how the others did it many times!? I´m assuming the problems with giving birth to a child becomes after the incident or the h-bomb which probably detonated.

You know what i´m thinking….the h-bomb didn´t detonated when juliet hit it because after the white light came the finally was already over, and how i know the show when there is such an open end, the beginning of the new season will continue “easily”…like the bomb didn´t detonated how we are all assuming and led to believe and everything will start from a totally other point of view!

…we´ll see…in eight f**king months..

Last one..

Where the hell is Desmond?? I´m really missing him and i hope he´ll come back at the beginning of the new season!!!!

I just remembered when the season final ends the LOST logo is somehow different, isn´t it? Has that a meaning or is it just nonsense?

If the bomb really detonated then it has to be how faraday said, a new created future. They never crashed on the island, they made it to L.A.! Would be cool of course but Jacob touched them, what means destiny will bring them together or at least everyone somehow separated back to the island!?

My last question is: Does somebody know what the sixth season is about? I forgot what the producers said once…..the fifth season was why they had to go back to the island (“answer” is nonsense – the writters screwed this part totally up!!) but i forgot what´s about the last season…was it why they have to leave again…?? no idea??

maybe he meant to screw it up???

The more and more I think about it I would say that the MIB is Esau….Seems to make sense.

He was probably the other person living in the cabin like I think someone said before. Maybe Jacob has been hiding in the temple. If they thought he was going to be in the cabin and he ends up in that Statue then maybe he was hiding……or waiting.

If the smoke monster represents Esau then maybe the temple is his hideout??

Another thought I had was when they kept asking what lies in the shadow of the statue. Maybe knowing this code isnt a good thing but rather a bad thing. What I mean is maybe it is not a call or code for the good guys but rather the bad guys.

Could Richard be a candidate? They asked frank and he claimed to not know the answer. Maybe if you know the answer you are a candidate??

random thoughts…

Jonathan as for the name I have no idea why he has a different name. Perhaps to keep his identity hidden some some people, unlikely but you never know. More likely is that the writers put in different names so that we didn’t know who Faraday’s mum was going to be, as if he was called Hawking there wouldn’t be much suspense as people would put 2 & 2 together pretty quickly.

As for his accent we know that he grew up off the island, and in what look like and American house rather than an English house, I’m going on the doors as English houses don’t have doors like the ones used in the house he was playing the piano in. He later went to university in England but you don’t do that until your 18, even if he went a few years early his American accent would have had time to stick with him. I know people who move to England when they were 13 and still a a strong foreign accent.

*Stabbed by Ben* The link was easy, you don’t have to do any funky coding, just paste the link.

Maybe it wasn’t Jacob actually visiting everyone when they were young….Maybe it was actually MIB

the book “Everything That Rises Must Converge” by Flannery O’Connor. It’s a collection of short stories.
Here is the link to it on Lostpedia
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Everything_That_Rises_Must_Converge
Also have a look at post 44 if you are interested, I think the book and the taperestry Jacob is making at the first of the episode are related.

Jason,

I thought the same thing, maybe it was MIB visiting everyone. Now I think it was Jacob visiting the survivors because he wore white and it was MIB visiting Ilanna because in this scene Jacob was wearing black and had black gloves.

I don’t know who Ilana is working for, but she surely knows her way around the island somehow. Going right to the cabin then directly to the statue. Why was she on the plane handcuffed to Sayid.

I don’t know if Ilana knows who she is working for either. Widmore? MIB? Jacob? If MIB visited her then why would he need to be disguised as Jacob? Who was supposed to be in the cabin? Did the ash keep someone in or someone out of the cabin. Maybe the ash kept the others or the smoke monster out of the cabin. Maybe the ash kept MIB in the cabin.

So many questions, such little given to us to work with.

To my knowledge they just said they were the good guys. They may think they were working for Jacob, but I still question that was Jacob wearing black who visited Ilana.

Jonathan, why exactly would Jacob need Ilana for?

I guess Esau (incarnated as Christian) told Locke to move the island because there was Keamy and company trying to get there and there would have been harm done. so it was the only way to save it, which goes well with what we saw at the beginning Esau being against poeple coming to the island cos it meant distruction, while talking to Jacob

First off – how long are we all going to keep posting stuff on this page? Can we have a new one where we can chat about what we think might happen in series 6…?

Now, theories…

I’ve been watching Season 3 again (my brother’s getting back into Lost after bailing out at the end of Season 2 saying it was too confusing – HA! Just wait…) and one episode in particular really struck me – The Man Behind The Curtain.

We all know two Ben Linuses – the quiet child who hates his dad and longs for his dead mother, and the ruthless, lying, mass-murdering master-manipulator who’s been running the island for twenty years. What we still don’t know is – how did the boy become the man?

Whatever the effects of the H-Bomb, I think a vital part of series 6 will show what happened to Ben in the early eighties.

Think of how much has been left out – what happened to Ellie Hawking, how did Charles Widmore take over as leader, how did Ben trick Widmore into turning the donkey wheel (if that is indeed what happened), how Ben became leader (if indeed he ever really did) and perhaps most importantly of all – what happened to Annie, the girl he met when he first arrived on the island and gave him a wooden statuette which he still keeps and obviously means a lot to him.

And how will Ben’s relationship with Horace play out? When he eventually kills him in the purge, Ben finds him sprawled on a bench in Dharmaville and quickly closes his eyes – he clearly respected and was close to him, closer than to Roger Linus anyway.

Whatever – Ben’s past is important, and nowhere was this better illustrated than Jacob’s cold reply to him just before he stabbed him – “What ABOUT you?” I think Jacob hates Ben, or is disappointed by him at the very least. The fact that Ben never met Jacob and perhaps has been controlled by Esau all along, perhaps since the first time he followed his dead mum into the forest, suggests that maybe he was never meant to be leader and that the Others have been reluctantly following him for years waiting for someone to lead them to a brighter future…

Kinda like what happened with George W Bush and America. Hey, maybe that’s what Lost is really all about…

Toatallylost, that envelope had Ben’s exam showing he had a tumor.

We dont have any reason to believe Esau and Jacob can take each others forms.
We dont even know if Jacob can take another person’s form.
All we know is that Esau can take dead bodies forms.

Jason:

remember that the hostiles had horses, so could be a descendant…if Esau is the smoke monster, and we think smokie can read minds, he could have read Kate´s mind and become the horse..

Maybe Jacob didnt let Ben see him and know more about him cause he didnt want Esau to find out anything, as he could possibly read Ben’s mind.

Dick Sargent( thats a great name):

one possibility i can think of Jacob being Esau in that meeting with Ilana is if it was a flashforward and not a flashback, and assuming Jacob was dead…

Just had a thought….

Hurley can see dead people. Maybe he will be able to see Esau when he takes over a body. This will be a way that they can tell that he is an imposter. This could be his significance in the show…as it is now he seems to have a undefined role. Jacob did say he was special in the cab.

LOL Jason. Dick Sargent is a play on my real name and is of course the star of Bewitched.

My theory is that Ilana got messed up trapping Esau/MIB/Smokey in the cabin and knows he can take the forms of others. I can already foresee a very intense scene where Ilana has Jacob and evil Jacob look-a-like standing in front of her at the cabin. She has to choose between which one to trap in the cabin.

After talking to Locke, she later finds dead Locke in the casket and believes Smokey escaped from the cabin since she is aware that he takes the form of others. She then goes to the cabin to confirm her suspicions and does find that the ash has been broken and Smokey has escaped. Smokey then leaves her the message to go to the statue.

We are all under the impression that Smokey is Esau, however, there may Jacob, Esau/MIB, and Smokey.

Why would Ilana come back to the island? It could be as simple as Sayid needed to come back to the island. He refused. Jacob / Jacob Evil Twin needed help to get him back to the island. Ilana was that pawn.

Also, in the Bible Jacob and Esau were twins. Who knows what they could take that little piece of history.

With regards to the upcoming season, it could be a flash forward season? They need to get Aaron involved I would assume and the only way to do that would be a flash forward?

Reply to my original comment and let me know.

I like it. Looks good and easy to read peoples comments and if this new reply works then that will help out a lot in trying to answer peoples questions as sometimes before you could miss comments.

Good work as always Scott, cheers for the website.

Lostpedia:

Juliet was about to show Amelia Ben’s X-rays, which were brought to her the day before by Karl, and with which she confronted Ben regarding his claim to have her sister’s cancer cured. (“One of Us”). -mobisode The envelope.

The X-rays were developed by Karl and delivered to Juliet’s house in the flashback for “One of Us”. She stored them in a manila envelope, later confronting Ben with them, and tried to reveal them to Amelia just before the book club meeting on the day of the crash, as seen in mobisode”The Envelope”.

According to the audio commentary for “A Tale of Two Cities” on the Season 3 DVD set, Elizabeth Mitchell has shot a scene in which she is looking at the X-rays in her house. This bit was supposed to be in the ‘walking through Juliet’s house’ sequence at the episode’s start, before the book club meeting, but it was cut in post-production. This would have introduced the X-ray three episodes earlier, but the audience would have had no information about it yet. It appears that this scene has been used for mobisode “The Envelope”.

Now that we know that Esau, and maybe Jacob can take other person´s place, what if some of the losties we’ve seen from the start is really that person anymore??? Thats crazy….
Maybe Jack?

Thanks Jonathan. I stand corrected!!!!!!

Jason, you just described the movie The Thing. LOL

I loved that movie with Kurt Russell.

I like the look and really like that you can reply specifically to comments.
As some others mentioned I do miss the individual post numbers which would make it easier to find where I left off last time but I am not sure how that would work when you are able to post inside posts.
One suggestion would be to add “agree” or “disagree” buttons.
Thanks for the site and great job.

Scott, i got a little confused with the replies, because , even if they are new, they appear under the original comment, so before the earlier posts, so i almost missed them, thinking they were old posts that i ‘ve already read.
Maybe if the replies have a different color, or something like that, i dont know, but the way they are, and with no numbers on the posts, i find it easy to miss them. I hope you understand what i mean.

i think its cool. looks much nicer for sure

never mind i get it now. if there were numbers to each post it would be easier to follow. there doesnt need to be a number to the replies just the original post. that would be perfect.

Regarding the new setup and a few suggestions/comments.

I’m posting this as a reply and as a new thread so its not missed.

I like the disagree/agree idea.

I noticed a ‘new comment link’ at the bottom of the page i couldn’t figure out what it was doing when i clicked it.

Ability to filter the threads by:
1) numerically by the order they were created (top down 1,2,3,4 or reverse 4,3,2,1. So the numbers would have to come back. Threads still have numbers and the replies are given a. b. c. etc (continue to indent replies). This will help differentiate between the original thread and replies.

2) Replied to threads refresh to top of page or Replied to threads refresh to bottom of page. Original threads would not need to be numbered under this filter although I would keep the numbers to help people track the thread, replies would still get the alpha characters. This way its easy to see when a thread gets a new reply. This would also keep the ‘hot’ topics at the top… or bottom of the page for retrieval.

hey Scott, nice layout! me likey

and also, what supports this theory is that for example for the horse, not only Kate saw it but Sawyer too and for Goodwin’s wife, Jack and Juliette saw her. so it could totally be Esau

If you remember how Lost begins and there are white letters and a black background, at the end of this episode there are now black letters and a white background. I heard this is the change between good and evil after Jacob’s “death.”

Also, JS – thats an awesome theory about the black and white “LOST” title card.

I think you may be dead on with that. Season 6 is gonna be crazy as all hell.

hey Scott, i agree with him. Can you create a new page for new comments? this one is getting a bit overloaded
thanks !

Oh something else too.

remember when Claire went to the physic dude Richard I think, and he told her that she had to raise her baby because the baby is evil, and he said her good nature is the only thing that could save the baby from its destiny, I had totally forgotten that that baby was suppose to be evil, and did anyone else forget that Claires mum was in a coma until Claire landed on the island, did anyone remember them showing us her waking up? I only remember seeing her talking to Jack at his dad’s funeral. I wonder if the Claires mum that we saw Kate give AARon to was really her, It could be concievible that the bad twin ( Esau, MIB) faked being her so he could get his hands on baby Aaron and raise him to do his evil bidding.

Aaron was the brother of Moses, but he was also responsible for the building of the Golden Calf that was worshipped as a false idol. Maybe the giant Egyptian statue is symbolic of the golden calf. I also think this season will have baby Aaron as a central character.

Moses was forty days in the mount, and the people began to wonder what had become of him.

So they asked Aaron to make them some images which they might worship, and that might guide them out of the wilderness. Aaron knew there was only one God, yet he did as the people desired.

He bade them bring their golden ornaments to him; and then he melted them, shaped the metal into the form of a calf (one of the false gods of the Egyptians), built an altar before it, on which the people might lay their offerings, and told them that was their god that had brought them out of the land of Egypt.

The next day the people offered sacrifice to this calf, just as the heathen, who did not know God, worshiped their idols, or false gods.

But God saw this; and He was so displeased at their wickedness that He would have destroyed them all, had not Moses interceded for them. Then Moses came down from the mount to the camp, and asked Aaron how it was that he and the people had committed so great a sin.

Aaron tried to excuse himself by laying the blame on the unruly Israelites. But there was no excuse for him. And after Moses had burned the calf, he ground it to a powder, and threw it into the water that supplied the camp.

God also, though he had granted Moses’ prayer, commanded that great numbers of the people should be put to death for their sin.

Karen if I remember correctly, Esau and Jacob were twins and constantly fought eachother in the womb and after birth and I believe that Esau and Jacob were desendents of Aaron.
and also again if I remember correctly, I believe it was written that God favored Aaron, Isacc and Jacob above all others.

Dick, you are right!

ya know what I think was interesting, wasn’t (correct me if I’m wrong) but didn’t Jacob’s wife get preggers with Benjamin after Jacob was already dead, like he was resurected just for her to get insemeniated so he could a son with Racheal, Am I right Dick S.?

if so wouldn’t it be a hoot if Ben’s mom actually had like a affair with Jacob and got preggers with Ben and that’s trulely the reason why his dad hated little Ben.

I don’t know I could possibly have the resurection thing confused with someone else.

Biglostfan. WOW on the thought of Esau possibly impersonating Claire’s mom to get his hands on Aaron. That would truly blow my mind if that were to happen. And, you are right, we never saw her come out of the Coma, so just assumed that she came out of it.

I am beginning to wonder if Esau has been impersonating others for a while. I already think he inhabited Abbadon and Widmore as part of encouraging John to get the others to come back to the island. But, who else???

Too bad we need to wait 8 months to find out. This totally sucks, and I am still “Totallylost.”

Nice one BLF, I agree and think you’re onto a key point there – wasn’t it Jack’s dad who told Claire that her mum was never expected to wake up? What if Aaron was nabbed and taken back in time, to then eventually become “Esau” or even Jacob? Would be a great way of tying him back into the story for the final season.

totallylost,
ilana probably call Richard Ricardos because the others used to speak latin and Ricardos is Richard in latin. and that is also why Richard answered to ilana’s question in latin.

i am confused about this esau impersonating people but it is totally plausible. that would explain strange reactions, stories… i just dont think it to be fair that all this time we haven’t known this and we have based our theories in nothing after all! so i hope that it better turn out good!

Ecko was by far my favorite character to appear on Lost. The fact that they disbursed him so quick and easy with no explanation and no reason never sat well with me. I was always hoping he would return at some point.

Aren’t we lucky to continually get Rose and what’s his name Buford? Why couldn’t Smokey have taken them out and let Ecko make return appearances. Guess no one is calling Rose and what’s his name Howard? to appear in any movies so we are stuck with them. What is his name? Rose and something. Bernard, maybe?

Hello There!!

Long time no see!! I´m glad to be here again and it´s also nice to read your good comments yet again. You guys here are the only ones i can talk about lost, my friends are not that interested in lost..what a shame!

Scott, Great Job, i really like the new design!!

You guys have talked about every topic so i have not much to say about lost, only that it was an awesome end and that the last logo scene (white backround – black letters) was somehow suspicious.

i´ll leave more…later..

Esau taking bodies and impersonating them is one thing but how do you explain Walt appearing in the jungle after the others took him? he wasnt dead so Esau could not have had taken his body, unless he can impersonate living people.

I am watching season 1 and it is SO great to start all over again now that you know so much !!

C.P.L. Welcome back. I missed you!!!! I look forward to you comments next season!!!!

I just wanted to point something out about the shape shifting or whatever we want to call it, that I noticed and could come in to play later (but most likely is nothing).
In the case of Locke & Yemi (and maybe more) there were bodies (Eko found Yemi’s body at the beach craft wreckage site and Locke was dumped out onto the sand in the final episode).
In the case of Christian (and maybe others) there were no bodies found.
And in other cases people like Walt were not dead and still appeared.
I am on board with the “MIB can take other people’s forms but Jacob cannot” theory but if Jacob was able to take other forms then maybe that info holds the key to figuring out who is who. When the dead bodies are still present it is MIB and when the bodies cannot be found it is Jacob.
Just a thought.

Great thoughts, I think you are in agreement with the majority of things said on the site thus far. It is nice when someone puts it all together though so that it is easier to look at the overall.
Regarding the portion below
“First, I thought that Esau is also the Smoke Monster, but that isn’t the case. Esau/Locke seemed really surprised when Ben told him the smoke monster ordered him to do whatever Locke told him to do, so it seems unlikely that they are one and the same. ”
I am still of the thinking that MIB is Smokey so here is what I would like to add to that. I think this just alludes to MIB’s lack of respect for people. I think MIB was just proving to himself that man is weak and can be manipulated thus him saying to Ben so just because Smokey told you to do what ever Locke says that you are just going to go ahead and do it. Like the first conversation between Jacob and MIB on the beach, MIB doesn’t want the ship to come to the island since he thinks that all men do is fight and destroy.

I wouldn’t be surprised if this season starts with Jack waking up on Ocean Flight 815 landing safely in California.

C.P.L. I live in Denver, Colorado, but originally from California!!!!

Jones- Good thought.

hey CPL
i didnt notice the doggy picture (christ, where was my mind to not notice that!) but is totally an interesting and i think very relevant thing to point out! your theory Walt/dog could be totally possible!

now also, why doesn’t Michael die??? he tried to kill himself many times without succeeding… i guess this is neither Esau nor Jacob, it must be someother power. Ben set Michael free so normally those two didnt decide anything… any thoughts on that?

I assume this season will center on Aaron and maybe Walt interacting with Aaron, but my guess is Aaron will be the key player this season. The setting will be present day as if nothing had ever changed and the plane never crashed. Then strange things will happen and somehow a grown up Aaron will end up back on the island.

My guess, that was MIB/Smokey posing as Claire telling Kate that Aaron cannot go back to the island.

definitely the 6th season is based on the fighting between the wrong side and the other wrong side(they are both wrong in my book!!).
widmore and his group and that woman who brought the john’s corpse to richard are these two sides. What do they wanna do? what do they mean by this “WRONG SIDE WILL WIN” pharase????

I remember that the producers stated once about what the fifth and the sixth season will be (i think?)! I just remember they said that the fifth is about why they had to go back to the island and how; and the sixth is why they have to leave again..??..nonsense, i forget that! Does somebody remembers??

i think michael couldn´t kill himself because the island still needed him at this point, his work wasn´t already done, how Ben & co said. Not only michael couldn´t kill himself even other people couldn´t do it, remember Keamy on the freighter when he was told by sayid that michael is a traitor, he put out his gun and shot at him but nothing happenend so he just kicked his ass! ..i also believe jacob & esau had nothing to do with that…, but who knows the two are like damn wanna be gods!!

Also – I dont remember who came up with the theory of season 6 beginning with a scene of the Black Rock, but I think thats a great idea.

However, for those of us that frequent this site, I dont think any of us would be surprised if it was revealed that Richard was the captain of the Black Rock, but I hope that if this scene is shown, that it is someone else in that role. I have no idea who though. Maybe…….Jacks Grandfather?

hey guys this might be a spoiler for next season so skip it if ya don’t wanna know,

but I read somewhere (and keep in mind that I have absoulty nothing to back this up) that season 6 begins with Jack waking up in a hotel room staring at himself in the bathrrom mirror and he sees behind him on the floor some unknown person laying there and he calls 911 and tells them he has no idea where he is. crazy if this is true.

Dick Sargent, I thought the same thing about that scene like the day after I watched it.

Weird!

I also read, I believe on Lostpedia, that the opening sequence of “the life and death of Jeremy Bentham” episode was supposed to be the opening scene of season 5. SO they are constanly changing the order that we are shown things.

If anyone forgets, its the scene with Locke on the beach after the 316 crash, where Caeser asks him his name, and it is revealed to be Locke.

So while that scene may actually exist, Biglostfan, they may very well change the order of it during the next season. Its too early to tell.

Oh guys by the way forgive the spelling mistakes in my posts, thank you

hey Tlost,

Actually it doesn´t come out that right, but you wrote it correctly, that´s notable!! Anyway it´s very sweet from you!! German is an awful language, it´s very difficult, i can tell you that because german isn´t my motherlanguage, so well done.

I believe Jacob was killed present day by Ben and the bomb was detonated in the 1970s meaning that Jacob could never have been killed?

If Ben was used by Esau/MIB/Smokey to kill Jacob present day, but was actually blown up on the island in the 1970s he would not have around present day to kill Jacob?

oh sorry….. . jacob didn´t travel in time as far as we know, but…. . i think you know what i mean – dead is dead!

Hello all

Hello all….I thought season 6 was going to be about why they had to go back????

I thought season 5 was just about why they had to go back. I mean even after an entire season no one knows why they had to go back. Maybe they are going to take a second shot at answering the same question as last season. LOL

hey Jones,
i watched the episode and i confirm: Locke had one black eye and one white eye. This is clearly an allusion to the stones found with A&E in the caves.
Also, can Locke tell the future ?? he goes to Boone “its going to rain in a minute” and 1 minute later, it happens!

Thanks Karen,
I think it’s 100% awesome that through all the analysing we do with this show we can still notice new connections when we go back and watch from the start.
About predicting the rain, Juliet informs Kate “It’s going to rain. Don’t you think we should wait ’til morning?” before they encounter the smoke monster. (“Left Behind”), In “The Beginning of the End”, when it begins to rain, Locke looks confused, as though it had caught him by surprise.
So I’m not sure if it is Locke knowing the future, it could be but at the very least it shows some sort of connection or understanding of the island.

I can see what you are saying but personally I disagree.
I think if it was shown at the beginning then the rest of the season would have lost its lustre. Knowing about the Jacob MIB conflict would have makes a lot of the great scenes of this season seem insignificant now but at the time they were mind blowing.

Karen….send that wind THIS WAY…

Because I was stuck in the middle of the lake in my saiboat this weekend with no wind to get me back!!!! I got towed in by a jetski!

Scott….. Or maybe another thread that just deals with a topic you throught out there…Like a topic of the week etc…etc….. example: Topic of week one: “Sawyer’s nicknames”… I know bad example but just a suggestion.

and would also mean MiB can be more than one person at a time… unless its still possessing rather than re-animating.

A new thread would be nice, I find it is harder to navigate the new webpage format when there are a lot of posts.

I disagree with your disagreement, LOL. This season was just Lost. It had no plot or theme. It needed some direction or purpose. It needed something to hold it all together, unfortunately that didn’t come until the last episode of the year.

Moohaha,
Check this out: http://www.theonion.com/content/news/smoke_monster_from_lost_given_own?utm_source=a-section
It is a sarcastic news site that posts untrue or outrageous news for the fun of it, ie there stories border on true events but usually take the story off the deep end.
They must of been watching this site (j/k although possible lol). They stole your smoke monster spin off idea but there spin off isn’t nearly as good as yours.
Hope you enjoy.

I do like the threaded comments option but with so many posts on so many different topics it does make it hard to not miss some comments. I am pretty new to this whole posting thing so if anyone has some suggestions on how they keep everything straight I would greatly appreciate it.
The paged comments do help keep things organised.
Scott, did you consider the agree disagree button for each comment?

I think its a little harder now to keep track of all the most recent comments by not thaving them at the bottom of the page. Especially if you are away from the site for a few days. However, it may just be because this thread is so long at this point.

Post # will def help I think. I know youre working on that too Scott.

Thanks a lot for ensuring that those of us who care have a place to discuss the show on a daily basis. Your effort is much appreciated.

Agree/Disagree button could be cool too.

I thought it was just to prove that was definitely their old campsite. Nothing more.

ya know I was thinking that, what if we had like a past show of the week , like maybe starting from the pilot and knowing what we know now about the show it would be cool I think to go back and revisit some of these past shows and how they can relate to now. I have already starting watching some past episodes they have been showing them on sci fi channel during the day and I dvr them and watch them later, or since Scott already can post a clip preview I wonder if you can post the entire episode for those who can’t do what i’m doing, I’ m just thinking this would be a great way to keep us busy and still excited about the new and final season. just a thought.

Moohaha…. DAMN THAT WAS FUNNY !!!!LOLOLOL

We’ve got a serious problem to explain.
We know that Michael while off the island couldn’t die, even when he tried to kill himself many times and others (e.g. the boat captain) try to kill him. We also know that when Ben visits Charles Widmore that Ben cannot kill Charles, or Charles cannot kill Ben for that matter. These people cannot die while off the island.

So, here is the serious problem:
How then was Ben able to kill Locke?!?

And, is this in anyway related to Ben’s ability to kill Jacob?

Yes, Christian Shepard tells Locke he has to die. But, Christian Shepard is actually Esau, who is deceiving Locke. And the fact is, Locke didn’t come back to the island, well alive anyway. It wasn’t the island that wanted Locke dead, it was Esau.

So, I think the problem remains:
How then was Ben able to kill Locke while off the island, where Michael, Ben and Charles are unable to die?

Ron- The reason why Ben could not kill Widmore is because either Widmore was Ben’s constant, or there is a special rule that governs whether “others” can kill “others.” This rule clearly kept Easu from directly killing Jacob.

Now, while this rule may apply off island, I don’t think, as in the case of Widmore, that someone other than an “other” can kill him off island. I just think that Ben was specifically prevented from killing hin, but if Desmond put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger, Ben would die. Same with Ben. Maybe Widmore could not kill him, but I am sure that someone else could if they outsmarted him.

As for Michael, I don’t think that killing yourself is a violation of the rules, like killing an “other” Also, Michael needed to atone for his sins (killing Libby and Anna, scamming the others, etc), so the island would not let him die unitl he did completed his atonement.

So, there does not seem to be any reason why Ben could not kill Locke, as Lock was not an “other.”

I hope that made sense.

this is getting complicated… i hadn’t thought about the constants and variables, etc… very mathematic all that

Thanks Moohaha. Jack look hot in the picture in that link (remember, I am a girl!!). Right Karen??

Also, interesting tidbits about next year. I think I am almost done speculating, as the writers have outsmarted many of us at each turn.

anyone have any thoughts on why they included the episode Expose in season 3? from the 5 seasons aired so far, i first thought this was the most pointless – introducing two characters Nikki and Paulo just to have them killed off (buried alive by Hugo!) in the same episode, very strange.

very strange, unless they used it to distract us from a key scene halfway through… for those of you interested, watch from 20mins into this episode. Paulo sneaks into the Pearl hatch to hide the diamonds while the Nigerian plane is still hanging off the cliff. While he’s in there, Ben and Juliet walk in (while Paulo hides in the bathroom) and Ben asks “why is the hatch open?” and then I’m SURE he asks Juliet to “cover it up with the plane”. Now this is before the plane was on the ground…

So was this episode suggesting Juliet somehow influenced the plane coming down with Boone in it?? I’m starting to think Juliet’s exact role in the show hasn’t been fully revealed yet…

Another interesting statement from Locke in this episode “things don’t stay buried on this island” said to Paulo after he was caught burying the diamonds.

The writers justified this episode, saying that Paulo and Nikki were unliked and just had to be killed off. But in fact I think they were slowly introduced only 2 episodes prior to wrap a random story to distract from a few key scenes. As Sawyer said a couple of times “who are these people?” which I think everyone was thinking at the time.

Apologies for long post. Thought it needed to be thrown out there!

Jason….

Damn, i never even thought about that. That is a great point. Im with you in saying that yes, Esau mustve been Bens mom.

Esau was probably planning to use Ben against Jacob all that time while he was growing up on the island.

Patient guy this Esau is

your´re totally right Karen, i am also wondering the hole time WHY everybody calls the man in black Esau – sorry i´m not that intelligent, but who the fuck is actually Esau in real history??? how and why you guys call him that way?? On the other hand another name for this guy is very dificult to find out, we know nothing about who or what he is or could be!

Wow, it´s totally boring at the moment here on this site! Looks like nobody has any idea what topic we could talk about! I too! I was a little bit thinking in the last time how the show will be gonna end? But there you can only speculate – thousands of possibilities!!!

But, i´m now remembering that a few days ago i saw an interview with matthew fox (jack). It was a little bit interesting because of the reason that he said that he already knows the last “image” of Lost – Carlton Cuse told him! He didn´t tell of course what the last image look a like but he was just saying that : ” there can´t be any future of lost” (his own words!!!!! HA!! What does he meant with that??

HI CPL,
I think ‘Esau’ is being called ‘Esau’ because in the Bible, Jacob and Esau are brothers. They have an extreme case of sibling rivalry and I think Esau is refered to as a ‘hairy man’ – which could fit with the guy in Lost. Although i don’t think that Lost is specifically about religion the writers have used so many allusions to many different religions it seems that Esau is an appropriate name until we know any better.

You are right, it is quiet around here.

But I have exciting news – am going to see Daniel Dae KIm in The King and I this weekend!

aww nooo dont kill off Sayid !!
im bored in this website, Scott do something man !!