WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can’t wait. The guy beating up Jack looks like Widmore, or is that my imagination. I think that we are moving towards getting the other folks back forward in time. It is about bloody well time.

It is nice to see that Chang believed Daniel, so the video shoot with him must be coming up.

It is also nice to see John back, but I am a bit puzzled by the comment of it being three years. I thought that it was 3 years of time passing off the island, but only a few days or weeks for those on the island?? Am I confused?? (Probably). Wouldn’t that mean that John and Richard had not seen each other for only a short period of time, exlcuding when they saw each other when time was jumping?? Also, would Richard know for sure that John had died, even though he told John in the past that that is what needed to happen??

Funny seeing Hurley trying to fool Chang!!!!

I surely hope that they don’t all die, that would be sad. I feel like I know these characters so well. well the writters did say that next season it wouldn’t be so focused on the main cast we have all so come to love. they said it will deal with bigger issues.

Definately looks like Widmore who beats Jack up, and a classic Hurley and Marvin scene there heheh.

I only became caught up with Lost at the end of series 3, so have recently started from scratch on DVD… Lost overload recently! Interesting how the writers gave subtle hints earlier on about their time travelling plans, especially the name of S3 Episode11 “Enter 77″ (another code Locke typed in at the Flame station was “56″, was that another year they eventually jumped to??). And when the hatch exploded in S3 Episode3 they showed the first flash of light, and shortly after Hurley had deja vu.. so maybe Hurley was the first oceanic member to jump in time! Dunno. Apologies if that’s been mentioned – need to do some back reading on this site.

It’s hard to remain optimistic that the writers will put all these pieces together – I’ll be surprised if the Hurley bird gets another mention (most important part of course). Guess we’ll find out!

Here’s a random thought I just had:

What if all along through the entire Lost series we have been seeing people from different time periods without even realizing it?

Like what we thought was the present (back in season 1 and 2 before all the flashes started) was actually the past, and maybe Future Sawyer or someone knows something needs to happen so he blends in as if he was his old self??

Anyone? Bueller?..no?

Drew- I am with Scott- good call on the time periods matching up with various numbers.

Scott- when I read your post the first thing that came to my mind was when we saw Jack waking up in the bamboo in the pilot and when they returned to the island, both times with a black suit. So yeah, what you are saying is entirely possible.

Biglostfan- You may have something there, at least with regard to jack, kate, and sawyer, who the island “chose.” (they were on the list which is why Michael had to convince them to go with him to be captured by the others). With regard to Sun, Sayid, Jin and Hurley, and probably Charlie, they do not seem to be so special such that they were of any significant interest to the others. Or, maybe they are and we don’t yet know why. Just more questions and possibilities.

oh and Scott,

I actually had a simular thought, that the flashes that we were seeing were actually them at the same time while they are on the island,maybe in some sort of alternate timeline, cause every person they focus on per episode usually is going through simular inner conflicts in the flashes that they are on the island, but I couldn’t find anything to support my theory so I gave up but your theory could be quite plausable.

I feel they are trying to be tricky with the whole Richard saying he saw them die….and showing this scene to the audience…Since when have they ever been that upfront.

I don’t know about you but I bet they don’t die….they just disappear… However!!!!!! If they do! Ha! Maybe Jack and Kate are Adam and Eve….I’m just saying.

However again….I don’t think they do. Also keep in mind we have the purge to yet happen! What is the importance of that and Richard and them watching their watches?! To make sure it all happened at 4…..

I have one thought about the time theory with the fist seasons being in a different time so to speak. Didn’t Ben show Jack the World Series video of the Red Sox so that would put them in 2004.

Totallylost nice thoughts on Juliette it made me laugh I needed that today.

One thought here guys on a personal note I have to go to my Friends daughter’s funeral today. She was 23 and had a 2 year old daughter. She died in a car wreck because she didn’t wear her seatbelt. PLEASE WEAR YOUR SEATBELT. I enjoy this with all of you and I don’t want your family to go through this.

did anyone catch Fringe last night? I believe its produced by the same guys as lost JJ Abrams right? well interesting that they talked about different time lines and how there are alternate time lines that we live in depending upon which path you choose will determine the one you live in, because we all have free will to choose our own path. they said that although you could be living in one reality there are still timelines that exsit simoutaniously, that when you have Dejavu ( sorry I never won a spelling bee)the feeling you’ve been there before meaning that you are actually getting a glimpse of another one of your timelines. I don’t know but I think this could somewhat explain whats happening on lost. any thoughts?

i’ll route for the cubbies all year….they are my NL team…..but the yanks are my team….i can only route for someone else once they are eliminated…

Go NC Tarheels!

I like to hear thoughts of who Jacob is. Any ideas. I am sure that when we see him, it will be a stunner.

I am from Rocky Mount originally but I currently live in Baltimore. I went to ECU and lived in Wilmington also.

What will lead Desmond back to the island again?

Widmore was outside the hospital, even tough he didnt seem to be there to visit Penny…maybe little Charlie will be kidnapped and taken to the island…he was left alone, wasnt him?

That would be a good reason for Des to come back.I cant think of a better reason.

there are pics or the character who is playing jacob online…someone posted a link to it a few weeks ago. aaron being jacob……i like it.

young charlie is totally set up to be kidnapped back to that island. thought that was so obvious. penny is not smart for leaving him out there.

if richard is an advisor…does he advise jacob?? then what is the point of the rest of the hostiles?? and why is their camp always seem to be in a different part of the island?

my thoughts:

juliette is going to die
young charlie is old charlie
jacob is some random
jack and kate are adam and eve…someone else said this but i agree with it.

I was wondering if anyone could give a plausable theory as to why you guys think that Jacob is AAron and Desmonds little Charlie is the same Charlie from Drive Shaft?

I don’t think young Charlie is dead Charlie. Dead/ghost Charlie had an older brother – Liam. Back in series 2 there were scenes of Charlie and Liam when they were kids, with their mother who wasn’t Penny. Who know’s though.

Looking back at series 3, and knowing that time travel is possible – it seems Widmore and Eloise may have gone back in time to change Desmond’s path. Widmore’s patronising comments and pointing Des in the direction of the army, and Eloise steering him away from buying the ring. Seems like they needed him on the island to push that button, and maybe through course correction knew that Des and Penny would get back together anyway. But if we were watching Des’s second life… what happened to his first? Confusing!

Biglostfan,some reasons for Aaron to be Jacob. I am stretching it a bit, but there it goes:
– The producers have said in an interview that Jacob is someone who we have seen on the show but havent heard speak….
In fact INFANT means “without the ability to speak”

– Christian and Claire appear on Jacob’s cabin and speak on his behalf.Grandpa and mother of Aaron.

– Aaron was born on the island.

– The psychic in season 1 told Claire that he could not be raised by others,probably foreseeing his destiny, but somehow he later changed his mind and told her there was a person in Los Angeles!! that could raise him.He also said you must get on this exact plane none other…. Who would be the person? Ms.Hawking? She lived in L.A. and also she should know that especific flight would crash on the island. Later on, she said that all the 06 should go back to the island, or ”god help us”. It included Aaron. She wants him on the island.

– But maybe Jacob/Aaron doesnt want to go back, as something bad happened to him on the island, remember he asked locke to help him. Claire appears to Kate and tells her not to take him back.

I will think of some other reasons…

Last one, taken from lospedia:

– The biblical Aaron is a descendant of Jacob (through Levi, Kohath and Amram).

Jonathan,

Ok I’ll give that you have a wild imagination, but I’m still not convinced, you have obviously given this theory some thought though.

you talk about Infant- ok but we have heard Aaron speak, only off the island.Ok so maybe if this is true Locke couldn’t hear Jacob because he was actually still an infant and hadn’t developed that yet?

totally get the related to theory, I’ve said all along that there is something to that, couldn’t Jacob possibly be Jacks grandfather?

and what if the psychic new that the plane was going to crash and he told her to get on that specific flight cause he knew that one was going down. I don’t think that he really had anyone in mind in LA to take care of him, maybe if he did, couldn’t he of known that Claires mum would eventually be there.

yeah acually all of the others were interested in Claries baby, even Alex asked about him to Kate and Jack. But the thing with Desmond seeing them get on a plane, we don’t really know for sure if he was telling the truth to Charlie. I still think that there is an alternate time line going on simultaniously and that’s what we are getting glimpses of.

I’m sorry I don’t mean to be rude and debunk you theory , I’m just trying to understand, and other peoples perspectives shed light on things I would have never thought of. please continue to share your theories, they are often good!!!!

Jonathan,
Great theory. Question: how does Aaron get back to the island? And, does he travel back in time so that he can be an adult/invisible/dead by the time the plane crashes in 2004?

OH….and Jonathan…GOOD CALL ON THE BIBLE BIT!!!!

One more thing. Where is Vincent?? Perhaps with Rose and Bernard, on the beach, or with smokey in the temple?? what gives???

I just wanted to chime in and say that I am in North Carolina too! Tonight’s episode leaves me with a lot of questions…

Thanks for all your posts guys! Reading them make my day at work go by fast.

Richard7769, I second that dude! GO BRAVES!

Hey-
Been reading this site for some time, love it… But let’s not get too tecnical and enjoy the last few episodes!
I hope to see Daniel back because he was a fantastic character, and also the guy in the hatch with desmond and sihead’s military offier( he was great on canavale, and with help of hbos star power they really packed a punch. BTW Richard Alpert has egyptian bloodlines explaining the aging process, the statue and the sexy eyliner.
Will comment after the west coast show. And a few bottles of wine and pills ; )
-Redneck…Man

This show is completely CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, all deliciously confusing, wonderfully summed up by the look of “WTF?!” on Ben Linus’s face in the final seconds. You know when HE looks baffled things are gonna get weird with a beard.

Totallylost – why do you assume the uncomfortable love triangle will be going back to the island? Yeah, so they’re all major characters, yeah, so Richard Alpert said he “watched them all die”, which should include Kate, but they’re on a sub full of kids we know is going to make it back to civilization because Charlotte and Miles are onboard. Not only that, there was real sense of finality when Sawyer looked back at the island and said “good riddance”.

What if these three did make it back? What if they then try to control events in the present, just like Widmore and Hawking have been doing? Hey – what if they’re the ones who start up this whole “Shadow of the Statue” thing? Theories, theories…

Speaking of theories, I’d put hard cash on the monster being responsible for moving Jughead. They’re in the tunnels, where we know it lives, they’re underneath the village, where he know it can be summoned from, and if it can toss trees and Mr Eko about then it should be able to move an H-Bomb to the Swan station. Can Alpert and Hawking control it to that extent though?

And speaking of Alpert – loved his intro in this episode, assembling the ship in a bottle, a heavy suggestion if ever there was one that he arrived on the island originally onboard the Black Rock.

As to the bullet-in-leg scene, I liked it: it tied things off nicely, but also showed two things – firstly as Roni mentioned, Alpert is not all-knowing, the only reason he’s there to heal John is because John brought him there and told him exactly what to do. Secondly it shows John is completely in tune with the island – as Ben observed, his timing was impeccable – and at the same time it showed that Ben Linus is nothing but a charlatan.

The fact that this is freaking out Linus and Alpert is great fun to watch, but I have to say I’d still like to know more about The Others. Locke is now leading them all but I still don’t know who the hell they are. What makes an Other? Why are they so special? And where the heck is Cindy and all the kids from the tail section?! At the moment the Others just seem like a bunch of dumb extras indistinguishable from the Oceanic survivors. Hopefully some of this will be addressed next issue as they make their long march to Jacob.

Wow, long post, sorry.

Pepperoni -
You may not be wrong there…anything is possible.
Richard is def not all knowing. The time shifts were a little confusing for me last night. The entire scene where john brings them to fix his leg and tell him about the compass and what not is very confusing. When that originally happened Locke wasnt dead yet so who sent Richard then? If Locke was the one to send him the entire time then I don’t get it….nothing has changed….

So the temple is what is surrounding the H-bomb. Could the smoke monster be the radiation from the H-bomb??? That was my first thought. I think this episode and the coming attractions make for a relatively predictable finale….but i know thats wrong…hahah

i thought that was a really good episode.

I really thought at the end when Locke and Ben were talking Ben said your timing was impeccable how did you know John? I thought Locke was going to say “the same reason you did” because he has lived his life over and over and over.

this is my theory that they are constantly replaying their lives…at least that was my theory on ben, whidmore, ellie and richard. they are trying to fix something on the island but every time they figure out a way the island course corrects. Finally john is living his life over and knows things before they happen…he knows what people are about…..like ben did for all these seasons. he was always a step ahead.

But John didnt say that so maybe im wrong. ive rambled enough and my post doesnt even make sense to me…sorry guys i’m really confused.

I wasn’t really sold on this episode. I honestly found that not a whole lot happened. As was mentioned by Totallylost, what was up with all that time spent talking to Saywer and Juliette just for them to get on the sub all to have them back on the island again (as per next weeks episode preview).
And why spend so much time on getting to the H-Bomb. Its there, its underground just get to it. I know in both scenes there was some character development but I just wanted things to move along so that we could get to some better things.
Well now that I got that off my back, I did like the Locke scenes. WTF – why does Locke want to kill Jacob. Maybe this is the war that Widemore is talking about. On that note whos side are the “what lies in the shadow of the statue” people on and what do they have in that crate.
So a blanket/tarp covering the ruptured shell of a H-Bomb makes it all better lol. Are you guys assuming that the bomb is in the temple or did I miss something in the episode, as far as I could tell they said it was in the tunnels and is actually buired under D-ville.

if jacob is a dog i will never watch this show again

Ok OK, I said it sounded crazy about the dog, but not that Jacob is the dog just that he’s using him like some sort of vessel to travel around unoticed,that could be plausable right?

But i must admit, it is a little far fetched.

Scott – I try not to watch previews ‘cos I find it tends to spoil the episodes when it comes to actually watching them. If K&S are back on the island, I agree, having them get on the sub is all a load of time-wasting.

If Jacob is Vincent/Aaron/Chandler Bing I will disown the show and start watching Heroes. No, sorry, just kidding. I’m not that desperate.

I think Jacob is somehow connected to Richard Alpert, and could well have arrived on the Black Rock as well. Perhaps he’s the captain and Alpert is first mate. The log of the Black Rock is still in Widmore’s possession and we don’t know why it’s so important to him, but if Jacob isn’t involved somewhere I’d be surprised.

While we’re on the subject of the Black Rock, can I just raise something from the past – Locke’s dad? We STILL don’t know how or why he got to the island to be killed by John (even though Sawyer did it), and is there some significance that he was eventually killed onboard the ship?

First off I’m in the opinion that Jacob could be AAron maybe that’s why Claire left him because she knew he would be okay.

Great look from Ben when Locke told him he was going to kill Jacob absolutely priceless.

One thought for the Widmore to be seen is it possible that when Widmore had a surgeon fix locke’s leg he could have put a GPS so he could find the island when he got there?

I don’t think Jacob was the dog but who the hell knows.

Jason- I used to live in Buckhead now I live in VA. Great to know we have some Braves fans out there.

Richard7769- It is people like you that make this site so much fun. A GPS in locke- brillant, and entirely possible.

Scoppie- Thanks for the reminder that we still don’t know how Locke’s dad got the island, nor how Henry Gale got there or Yemi’s plane.

I know this is far fetched, but please feel free to shoot me full of holes, but like Biglostfan said with regard to Jacob using or appearing as people/dogs to accomplish things, perhaps Jacob was using Cooper to get the monkey of sawyers back and to help john get past ben’s shennanigans so he could become the leader of the others. I know, crazy, but this is LOST!!!

Moohaha- Don’t give up on Jack’s dad as Jacob quite yet, as I am still kind of there with you, and don’t want to stand alone.

I betcha the island won’t let Kate and Sawyer leave, I bet when they get to a certain perimiter that the island will flash them back from the sub, and I bet Juliett gets to leave, did anyone see HER in the previews, I didn’t!

totally lost, It was before Jon left the island while they were still time jumping, but if I remember correctly their conversation went differently the first time ( or did we not hear everything) I rember Locke asking Richard when he first saw him if Richard was time jumping with him or something to that effect. cause Richard said something like no Jon I didn’t go anywhere , you did. Am I crazy or can anyone else confirm this?

BLF- you remembered exactly right and good call, Juliette was in for next week and good theory on the sub.

My theory on the end of the season is this. Matthew Fox was on Letterman and he had stated that this cliffhanger is the biggest one ever. So here it goes,

Kate, Sawyer, and Juliette try to stop Jack from blowing up the bomb.

Richard and Ben try to stop Locke from killing Jacob but remember the smoke monster has warned Ben that he will have to deal with it if he does.

Locke wants to kill Jacob so he can be supreme ruler of Island.

The Bomb will explode, the smoke monster will attack while Locke is trying to kill Jacob and Ben and Richard are fighting Locke. there will be massive screams go to black screen see you next season…… who died where are they and who is left.

There was one interesting comment last night from Richard Albert that there was another small group of others on the other side of the island I wonder if Rose and Benard are there?????

Jonathan,

in regards to post 28, I totally thought that same thing when I first saw this episode about Faraday possbily being the musician who programs the looking glass computer with the muiscal notes. And I believe I posted it in the forum for “The Variable”

Richard7769- Your imagination is totally out of control I definatley enjoyed your “end of season theory”!!!!!!!!!!

Moohaha-I think it is both you and Adam who think that Julietee is toast. But, it is far more interesting having her around to see Sawyer drool over both her and kate. So, Miles first, then her.

totallylost, you really think Miles is gonna die?

They still need him around to answer some of the mysteries of the dead people who will no doubt, continue to pop up

thats my theory. I say Miles is safe, at least until the start of Season 6

Moohaha- I think Miles because all the other “freighter” folk, sans Lapidus, are dead, and he now has his closure on his daddy issues. What can any dead person tell him how, and who? Mr. Echo?? Anna Lucia?? Daniel?? Not Daniel as he wrote his stuff down. So, what is his purpose except for possibly comic relief with Hurley. Hurley has served NO purpose this season except for comedy, and we know that he actually sees AND speak to dead people (Anna, Charlie, Dave, Mr. Echo, etc . . ), so why is Miles around if he can speak to the dead. Don’t get me wrong, I like Miles, but someone has to go.

Moohaha- good call on Faraday possibly being the person who programed the Looking glass computer. But, why would he? That was only a transmission jamming system and nothing like the numbers in the swan or some other physics thing. A little beneath his expertise don’t you think? And, he does not seem like the beachboys type!!!

In the episode Because you left, when Richard meets Locke wounded,Richard says to Locke that he has not time to explain why was he there, because John would be moving!and gives him a compass and tells him that he must give back to Richard the next time he sees him! ; Richard says he won’t recognize him then!. But as we seen in Follow the leader, Locke didnt tell Richard all these things.

Watch the original meeting, at minute 30.

http://www.cucirca.com/2009/01/13/lost-season-5-episode-1-because-you-left/

What Locke tells him is to tell John that the only way to save the Island is to get those who left to come back; and in order to do that, he will have to die .Minute 22.

http://www.supernovatube.com/play.php?viewkey=5a709c33da5f45643d20

So, Richard definitely knows much more them he seems to.

Didn’t they publish photos of Jacob….that means it can’t be Richard or a dog.

I also picked up on Richard saying there were some more people at the temple….those people are the ones who probably escaped the flaming arrow attack like Bernard and rose….(the other oceanic 815 survivors)

I’ve read that we will see Jacob in this season which only leaves the next episode. If jacob can transform himself then he could be the dog or the frog or the spider that killed the two. I believe that we are going to find out a lot in the next week to help us get through the next eight months,

Did anyone catch the ship that Richard was building in the bottle looked a hell of a lot like the BLACK ROCK….. yes if you remember I called it that the hostiles were left from the original crew. Maybe Jacob was the captain and Richard the first mate, that would explain the whole “Richard is an advisor” and only does the beckoning for the captain.

- Adam , Christian and Ms. Hawking also said that all the O6 had to come back, it wasnt only Locke/Richard.

– I’ve been blowing my mind to understand that compass timeline. Locke gives it to Richard in 54′, cause he got it from Richard in 07, then Richard takes it to Locke to choose it as a boy, but still keeps it and gives it to Locke in 07.Where does it start?Seems like a timeloop.

– About that, and Adam has talked about Ben timelooping, i found this intriguing thoughts about the others, timelooping and Jacob, by Vozze69-darf ufo(its quite long):

”..The Others: Extreme Campers? Or Something More?

Since last week, I’ve had the impression that the Others have all been guardians of LOST’s time loop, living only to keep it alive. Somewhere down the line, a horrific event takes place that needs to be avoided. I think most of us can agree by now that the release of the island’s inner energy causes time to fold back on itself, looping over and over again. This loop of time must begin somewhere and end somewhere (the incident? the 815 crash?), but everything in between is the only thing that matters to the Others. This is where they reside, and this is what they protect.

So these people survive on and on, living from generation to generation, making sure that everything happens up to and including the important point where time folds back upon itself. They have knowledge passed on from forever ago, and their agents (Hawking, Abaddon, etc…) use this knowledge to ensure that the everything happens in proper order. Richard is the Other’s constant. Since he never dies, he’s the keeper of all the advanced knowledge – he passes this on to each successive chosen leader. He knows what must be done and guides everyone accordingly. And if I were him, I’d probably be bored out of my skull right about now, too.

I’m thinking the Swan hatch MUST get built in order to allow the time loop to occur. Everyone knows this. This is why the Others are allowing a full-blown construction team to dig in their territory. This also explains why they’d leave Desmond alone for all those years, so he could keep on pushing the button.

When you consider that only the leaders really know what’s going on, the rest of the Others’ tribe members are resigned to lame tasks like fishing, hunting, sewing up those cool cloth tents, and getting shot every couple of episodes. They’re generations removed from knowing anything about what’s going on. Every once in a while a leader gives them an important task that will shape the future, such as clearing off the runway on the Hydra island, but they’re too much in the dark to even know why they’re doing such things. They’ve been followers for so long, they no longer even know who or what they’re following. Just look at how they all stumbled, zombie-like, into a line of well-behaved sheep when Locke announced he was taking everyone to the movies.

So now, where does Jacob fit into all this? And why are they following him? The answer is that they’re not. Even worse, they never really were.

There is No Spoon

As the episode progresses, Richard begins to understand Ben’s point about Locke potentially “becoming a problem”. It looks as if this new version of John Locke is going to pull back their curtain and expose the pile of bullshit that is Jacob. Or at least, maybe this is what Locke thinks. To Ben and Richard however, the story’s probably a lot different.

There definitely has to be a Jacob. Not only have we seen his cabin, but we’ve heard him speak. We’ve also seen him actually re-wind time: at the end of Locke’s first encounter with him, we saw that broken lantern (and the fire it started) instantly fix itself. We saw a ring of ash around Jacob’s cabin, which originally seemed like it might’ve been there to protect it from being discovered or seen. Later on though, it became more and more obvious that the ring of ash was probably there for the opposite reason: to keep Jacob IN. We also saw a very worried look on Ben’s face when he saw that the circle had been broken, almost as if he were worried that something had escaped. Incidentally, this is also when we started seeing quasi-evil Christian and Claire.

So Ben and Richard both know of Jacob, but instead of following his orders maybe they’ve just kept him imprisoned all this time. They do whatever’s needed to keep the time loop on track, in order to keep whatever happened still happening correctly. “Jacob” is how they keep their followers in line. The refer to his “orders” whenever necessary, making sure everyone does what they’re supposed to. No one can question Jacob, because no one has ever seen him. The very act of questioning him incurs everyone else’s wrath. He becomes, in effect, the island’s version of God.

On a side note, this also explains Widmore’s wry reaction to Richard just after he’d brought young Ben to the temple: “Jacob wanted it done”. As leader, Widmore knows Jacob said no such thing, but he also knows that’s what Richard has already told his people. To keep up the illusion of this supreme being, he has to accept and acknowledge it in front of everyone else.

Now we find out Locke wants to kill Jacob. Perhaps he only wants to kill the illusion of Jacob – once he does that, he puts himself firmly in command. Or maybe he wants to free Jacob from whatever temporal prison he seems stuck in, and the only way to do that is through the same method he himself was resurrected: death. The only thing we can be sure of is that whatever spirit wants this done (the island? the smoke monster?) is now acting through Locke, and is probably trying to get rid of a long-standing island problem that both Richard and Ben were trying to hide or keep from it.

To sum it up, maybe Jacob did exist at one point. If so, I’m guessing he was a realllllllly bad dude. Maybe he caused assloads of problems and was finally contained, similar to a demon or something along those lines. It probably took a lot of time and a lot of effort to finally put Jacob down, and now Locke’s talking about revisiting a very bad scenario. I think both Ben and Richard are genuinely afraid of Jacob – they don’t seem to be pretending when it comes to that.

But what happens when Locke gets there? Can’t wait to see it. ”

Jonathan- Thanks for posting that theory. My thought in post 82 was that the island may want Jacob dead, and since Ben nor Richard would do it, it got John to do it.

So, when I read the above and think back to the look in Richard’s face when John said that we wanted to see Jacob (mild panic), and the look of complete horror on Ben’s face when John said that he was going to kill Jacob, the above seems very plausible.

There is so much more to the Jacob mystery than just “who” he is. I another huge question is what is his relation to the island.

That also raises one question for me- In Season 4, why did Ben think that Hurley would know where to find Jacob’s cabin. I am not sure if that has been answered.

One last thing- I read this crazy theory on another site that the reason why Richard does not age is that he has egyptian blood or is a descendent from ancient egyptians, who believed in immortality (hence the pyramids and all the loot they were buried with). Maybe that is why the statute is there. I know, crazy, but I am reaching for anything that explains his lack of aging (and the black eyeliner!!!!)

Totallylost,

For your sake, and with your support, I will remain at a 50-50 split on Jacob turning out to be Aaron or Jacks grandpa, since I can see them both working out in some capacity.

You dont stand alone!

Totallylost,
I thought about something when I read your post 82. I was thinking why, after everything that he has done wounldn’t Ben kill Jacob. I mean lets face it the purge, etc. this guy doesn’t seem the type to not kill.
But now thinking back to the episode “Dead is Dead” Ben seemed to not be able to kill when there is a kid involved (ex. never killed Penny because of Charlie & never killed Crazy French Lady because of Alex)
If your Theory is true it could also support that aaron is jacob.

yes yes !
Thanks Jonathan

Adam, I was thinking that about Jacob lies in the shadow of the statue also. I wasn’t thinking about the possible play on words though with that being Jacob’s resting place good stuff.
That also could tie back into the “the key lies in the shadow” theory there a few threads back. With obviously Jacob being the Key.
I was also wondering about something else. What if, instead of the number 8, the symbol for infinity is actually implied. Not sure yet how it would all play in but for example the bunny with the number 8, maybe symbolic of a time loop or continuation of that bunny? or, for that matter, the 8 inside the bunny statues ear in “Some Like it Hoth” symbolizing Jacob’s link to eternal consciousness. The 8=infinity stuff is pretty lame though lol.

Moohaha- Thanks for not letting me stand alone!!!!

Jones- Re post 97, I see what you are saying about the tie in of Ben not being able to kill Jacob because Aaron is possibly Jacob. I am still leaning towards Jack’s dad or someone else being Jacob, but clearly Ben has “Jacob” issues, as his whole deameanor changes every time his name comes up. In fact, his eyes become more “bugged” than usual whenever Jacob’s name comes up.

One other thought about Aaron, does anyone remember in season 4 (I think) when Kate saw Claire in Aaron’s bedroom. Claire emphatically said “Don’t bring him back Kate, don’t you dare.” Well, I think the general consensus in the posts on this site was that Claire was referring to Aaron, so if that is the case, I cannot see him as Jacob. But, on the other hand, there is all that stuff the psychic said to Claire befoe she left Austrlia.

Adam- Brilliant theory on Jacob and possibly having a resting place under the statute. There could also be another temple like structure under the statute that holds other mysteries of the island.

Adam,
I think D-ville was said to have been built over the H-Bomb by Ellie in the last episode. Not sure if that rules out the H-Bomb or not.
Depending on what you consider the shadow, a big area could be covered. A statue that tall would cast a big shadow on many parts of the island depending on the position of the sun. I for one have always thought that they meant directly underneath the Statue since there would always be a shadow there but really if that isn’t it there is still a big area to cover.

Any guess’s as to what is in the crate that Ilana and co. brought to the island. I think, Guns and things like that along with a locating device.
There for a sec I just thought that maybe they brought another bomb with them to try to recreate the incident, but then I remembered it might be pretty hard to get that on to a passenger plane lol.

BLF- I was only referancing my theory on Richard Albert being part of the Black Rock crew and they were punished for whatever reason and spent to live on the island forever and never grow old. That’s all, thats why I was so caught to see him building the ship in the bottle that looked like the Black Rock. I hope it’s all tied in together.

I can’t believe Faraday died! that was kinda a shocker…I hope no else dies next week. and I really wanna seee what was in that box with Ilana on the island. here are some theories: Predictions

About Richard, i guess he is either the captain/crew member /descendant of Black Rock or and ancient egyptian god Ra (Richard Alpert?).
Cant think of something else.

Jonathan,

ref post # 110, I believe the writters came out and admitted that they had messed up Charlotte’s age, because so many (including myself) were speculating that the times they told us were not adding up correctly, that they originally wanted her to be older like 38 but the actress did not want to be portrayed that old ,so they didn’t fix it and thats what got everyone confused.

crazy thing is Jeremy Davies is a lot older in real life than what they portrayed him to be on the show, I wanna say 39 but I could be wrong there, but I’m sure they want us to believe that Farady was in his early thirties.

Not going to bother posting theories, just going to say that this is one of the best episodes of Lost I have ever seen. This is leading up to one hell of a season finale. Hopefully Jack won’t manage to stop his plane from ever crashing on the island.

Tyler,

Yeah, I think for the first time, I am actually rooting for Jack to fail

Moohaha- if Widmore’s influence did gt a bomb on Aljira air does that mean that he is a bad guy?

BLF, this is the best map i could find. The orchid is on the left side , next to the radio tower, altough it doesnt appear in the legends.

http://images.google.com.br/imgres?imgurl=http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/3300000/Lost-Island-Map-by-empire-magazine-lost-3349706-1218-1802.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fanpop.com/spots/lost/images/3349706&usg=__GsCJiWrCeZNuFHBlWqLu6G5tTJ8=&h=1802&w=1218&sz=1395&hl=pt-BR&start=15&sig2=DzYD7OXn0mAyJmMqddJizA&um=1&tbnid=stL0FFMGJCMw4M:&tbnh=150&tbnw=101&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlost%2Bisland%2Bmap%26hl%3Dpt-BR%26rlz%3D1T4GZEZ_pt-BRBR286%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1&ei=mpIESrOSIZCCmQem0tDhBA

Kick Ass! thanks Jonathan!

has anyone noticed that it rains on the island when smokie is around? just a side thought.

Aw damn Totally lost your right!

Sandy, you could be right, but who said “help me” to Locke the first time he went to the cabin, who threw stuff around in the cabin, and who threw Ben against the wall, ?? Did Ben have a hidden tape recorder there, and jerry-rigged the cabin to make it appear like a spirit was there???

I do recall that Ben was astounded when John told him what Jacob said, and that very well could be because Ben knows Jacob is a lie. Or, maybe that was not Jacob at all who spoke to John but was the island speaking to John.

I am ready for the next episode.

About the comic con video, the producers said in the last podcast that it was Faraday’s voice indeed, and it was filmed way before the 5th season, and it was meant to be in a new ARG they would do ,in wich they would link it to the show, but unfortunately the ARG was cancelled, so there’s nothing more about it to see.

btw, the hurley scene – hilarious !!

what year were you born, heuuuu 1931, so you are 46 ??? yeah dude, im 46

hahahahahahaa

Jonathan, post 121 – awesome! you get to have a much better view of where they’re going when you actually get the map! brigadao

Thanks Jonathan for mentioning the latest (and last of the season) podcast from the creators/producers of LOST.

You are right – they confirmed that the COMIC CON video of Faraday filming Chang originally had a purpose, but it will not come into play now that Faraday has died, and the story has moved along.

I will forwarn that the podcast may have SPOILERS for some fans, so enjoy at your own risk!

.http://www.docarzt.com/lost/exclusive-next-weeks-official-lost-podcast-now/

to me jacob is the first man on the island, whose spirit remained forever, a bit like richard alpert but differently, since up to now jacob is either absent or in the body of another man, christian sheperd. unless of course christian is living the same as locke is, that would be being alive after being dead, but to jack this is impossible bcos he doesnt know locke is alive. anyway, it could be that christian resuscitated from the crash, escaped into the island and this experience was so incredible to him that he decided to disconnect from jack and his past life and become someone else in the island. he somehow found the cabin and started living there. he then convinced claire to follow him, brainwashed her or something and now he became jacob. it makes sense since Ben has apparently never seen jacob. and when they were in the cabin with locke, the real spirit of jacob spoke to locke. that would make sense

I have no way to back up this theory but I feel like Jacob is either another version of John Locke or Jack’s father, Christian.
My feeling is that Jacob can appear in any human body and that is why Christian is seen walking on the island. In those scenes, I believe he is the voice of Jacob. Also, I think we see John Locke alive and well in 2007 because he is the new embodiement of Jacob. Thus he is here to kill the existing body, which would be Christian. I know its far-fetched and there are no signs to support it but that’s what I’m theorizing

In thinking back to when Jacob said to John “help me”, maybe John saying that he is going to kill jacob is not about exposing “the man behind the curtain” or getting rid of him so that John can take over the pride so to speak. Instead, what if it is about helping jacob or releasing him from the cabin so that he can help with the incident.

Why is it that jacob seems to be confined to a crappy cabin in the jungle, instead of in the temple with smokey or somewhere else?? Is it because the ash ring around the temple is some kind of barrier or magic that has bound him so that he can only use other bodies like Walt, Yemmi, Dave, Christan, Claire, or even Vincent to do his will. If so, who put it there?? Likely Ben because he is a power hungry control freak, and was a self-imposed leader instead of an appointed one like John appears to be.

Go ahead, call me crazy if you feel it necessary.

By the way, in the US I saw an extended pre-view scene for the Incident and it shows Jack telling Sawyer (or I think it is him) that “it is our destiny.” Isnt’t that the same thing John told Jack at the Orchid at the end of season 4, and Jack basically told john to piss-off??? How ironic that Jack is using the same words now. I guess seeing his daddy at his office (which prompted the pill popping) and hearing john tell jack (after John got in the car accident) about seeing daddy changed him.

3 days to go . . .

I think I answered my own question. I don’t think Richard ever came in contact with the losties (except John) because he never went to the beach where they were, and was never in the Barracks or the Hydra when they were there. Instead he has always lived in the jungle “off the land,” I wonder why, or am I wrong. I am tired so my memory is faulty.

Totallylost, Richard met Kate and Sayid in 2004 as far as i remember.
He embushed them in the jungle, and made a deal with them to help him get Ben from Keamy’s men, so he would let they go off the island. After they set Ben free, they were allowed to leave on the chopper.
So, after the crash of 815, he met Locke, Sayid and Kate.
He met some other characters only in the past,like Sawyer and Jack.

Very random and irrelevant but for the few people who are struggling with the Locke bullet scene….. have u read/watched Harry Potter & the Prisoner of Azkaban?? lol there is a very similar scene in there in which Harry fires a Patronus to save himself in a different timeline.

And yes the sub scene was sooooooo cheesey, it looked naff!

Totallylost- I believe that he is more aware of the time changes and he may have seen them get blown up with the H bomb (i’m sticking with my theory) and he knows that they probably should have died when it goes boom.

Totallylost – I’m going with smokie, i believe that smokie will this. my thought is that Richard Albert can control it. The Home depot is maybe a little off (LOL).

I think that since it is located in the tunnels good ole smokie has brought it down there,

Scott- here is one sneak peak I could find
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v79Y3vOC1-A

I don’t think that smokie brought the bomb down simply because the wooden structure it is sitting on has wheels.

I only want smokie to come back if they actually explain it and it has a good story, for me this part of the show has been too far fetched for too long. I don’t think it will ever live up to anyones expectations of what exactly it is now after all this time.

I am already dreading the long wait after the episode is over this week.

I think I get what your on about Moohahah, Richard saw all the losties die in 1977 before they had come to the island in 2004, which would be very odd from his point of view. ‘Finally those people who died 30 years ago have arrived on the island for the first time and have no clue on what is going on with the island even though they did 30 years ago.’

I hope I have got your point Moohaha, but if not I’ll claim it as my own theory.

If that was the last podcast, is there not going to be a rehash of ‘the indecent’ for 8 months until the start of the final series?

Maybe the bomb shrunk. Maybe it was Jacobs will to have a smaller H-bomb, so he had the smoke monster shrink it.

(im kidding by the way)