Thanks to Richard for finding these previews of Lost’s 100th Episode “The Variable”. An interesting name that ties directly back to the episode entitled “The Constant”. It looks to be a great one.
Farraday tells Jack that it is not his destiny to be back on the island, and in fact, he shouldn’t be anywhere near it.
Juliette looks to be packing her things and leaving to head back to the beach camp. Sawyer asks if she still has his back, she asks him the same thing – with a doubtful tone.
Farraday meets up with Dr. Chang and tells him that he needs to evacuate the island due to what’s sure to be “the incident” that we’ve been hearing about forever. He tells Chang he knows this because he’s from the future. Too bad we cant see Chang’s face to see how he reacted to hearing that.
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I cant be sure if Ms Hawkins is really evil.
Maybe she pushed Daniel so hard to study because she knew what was gonna happen to him and wanted him to have the knowledge to change it.
That scene of him on the piano, when she comes crying, maybe is in this context.
We are never sure who is good or bad.
The war Widmore mentioned to Locke.
Could it be the others x the variables?
If yes, where Locke fits in this war, once he is in another time?
Jones, I agree that some of Faradays story will continue, either through flashbacks, or as a spirit or whatever. But I still say it sucks that he died.
I hope they tey to bring back Mr. Eko too.
Based on the article they said he wont be a full-time cast member, so that leads me to believe we will see him again but not much. Almost like Anna Lucia this season.
OK, guys, as usual , thank you all for a lively and informative discussion.
One thing missing (I think — did I miss a post, it’s hard to read all of them) — AFAIK, nobody mentioned something I saw in the credits, in which an actor is credited for playing the “young Charlie”.
Does anyone see where Charlie appears in this episode???
If ms. hawkings knows how to get to the island, i wonder why she doesnt tell Whitmore?
I hate that Faraday is dead…. I thought he would still be there or jack could save him, This season has really made me scratch my head but if they can sew this up I guess it would be awesome.
I have to agree if this is a dream or a reincarnation I will scream louder than biglostfan.
Scoppie I don’t believe Richard Albert met Faraday I thought he only met Locke? Am I mistaken?
Greg,
young charlie is Des and Pennys son. Not Charlie from season 1 Charlie.
Ricahrd77, Richard met Faraday in the Epiosde “Jughead” from the beginning of this season
moohaha,
Are you sure about that? Faraday meeting Richard in Jughead 1954? when he was there I only recall him talking to Ellie and telling her they need to bury the jughead. If I remember correctly while Faraday was talking to Ellie John Locke was talking to Richard and then they flashed out of there.
But I must say when Richard first saw Farady he looked as if he knew him, because Richard is the one who asked Faraday if they had met before. I don’t believe that we ever saw them actually meeting, possibly could of happened and they just haven’t shown us yet.
but then again my memory fades me sometimes:)
brooksj,
I think Ms Hawking wouldn’t tell Widmore where the island is because number 1 she hates him ( obvoiusly from the slap across the face she gave him), and 2 didn’t someone say that ( I think Ben ) once you leave the island you can’t come back, ( Widmore was exiled from the island ) even though Ben did, but he wasn’t told to leave by the hostiles either, and number 3 Ms Hawking knows how to get there so why does she herself not go back? I think there is something to that.
Moohaha I believe I have to agree with biglostfan I think only Locke met with Richard Albert and Faraday was with Eloise at the bomb. But who knows I could be wrong.
Oh my bad
Moohaha was right. Faraday did meet Richard back in 1954, remember when the others had Miles and Charlotte and Faraday in that tent and then Farady convinces Richard that he was in love with Charlotte and that he only wants to help and that he would not blow anything up because Charlotte is there. then Ellie takes Faraday to the jughead. MY bad I’m sorry I admit when I am wrong!
In ’54, Richard tought Faraday was working for the U.S.army , whose 18 members he had recently killed.
He should have remembered Daniel in 77, how could he forget that weird guy who vanished in thin air back in 54?
My point exactly.
What happened in the fifties had such a strong effect on Alpert that he’s spent the rest of his life (eternal though it may be) waiting for John Locke to be ready to come to the island and lead the others. And presumably it took an enormous effort to follow Faraday’s advice and bury Jughead in concrete (AND he told even-younger Eloise that he was from the future, which presumably she passed on to Richard).
Faraday was such an important part of this time trip I find it very hard to accept Alpert would just forget him like that (although it seems like some of you guys forgot that scene in the tent when he admits his love for Charlotte!), especially as Alpert knows that there are people from the future already on the island following his pow-wow with Sawyer/Lafleur.
Like I say, it all felt a bit rushed – even with the whole “four hours until the incident” McGuffin, Faraday would never have acted that hasty. All it’s really given us, other than Mrs Hawking’s life-long grief/evil mission, is something for Jack and Kate to do.
Faraday’s little speech about the variables, destiny and a certain hydrogen bomb was handily imparted to the crappy couple just before his mum shot him, and my guess is that now Jack will have something to “fix” to get all obsessed about again and Kate will follow him about like a puppy trying to help. Just like old times…
In 1977, when Faraday enters the hostile camp, the younger version of him should be there too!!
He most certainly was born on the island, and if young Charlotte was there with 6 years old, as he talked to her before heading to the camp, and she was around his age, he had to be there.
someone raised a good point. Widmore left the island and hasnt been able to find it ever since. if he really had wanted to, he would have come with the freighter and the expedition !
Ben and Locke both turned the wheel and left the island and as Ben said, it should have been impossible to come back. Thus, they’re both now there!
either ben lied (again) or there’s a discrepancy
Also, what’s with Henry Gale?? how come someone in a hot balloon could have crashed in the island? there haven’t been any developments to that.
I know i said many many times how lame i thought was all this time travelling for the first i dont know 8 episodes. but now i understand! they had to time travel so that we understood all these things. if they hadn’t travelled back in time we wouldnt know about the bomb or Ellie hawking or widmore being a hostile. so, my apologies !!!
- When Faraday is crying while watching the news of 0 815 crash on tv(around minute 16), his hair is really short. After Widmore knocks on the door, his hair is now long as usual. Bad continuity.
– Hawking said to Penny in the hospital that for the first time she didnt know what was going to happen. It means two things.
First, she usually can see the future, so she knows how it should be.
Second, the future was changed.
Knowing that Desmond was special, Faraday used him to change the future by speaking with him in the hatch in the past. Thats why Hawking does not know what will happen. It was not supposed to happen. In the original future, Desmond was not shot.
Desmond only got shot due to the chain of events that took place after Faraday asked him to find his mom. Thats why he was in Los Angeles .Thats why Desmond is special. He is the only one able to travel through his own timeline, so he can change it. There is no whatever happened to him. Thats why he remembered in his present that Faraday spoke to him in his past.The losties on the island flashed/traveled in time to different ages, but never in their own timelines, but in the timeline of the island, and only with their bodies, not their minds.
Hey,
I wanna ask something about the comic con video. Who made this video ? (not in LOST, I mean in reality
) Is it a video that was filmed then presented there ? I don’t get it!
sorry for being that mysterious
what i mean is under what title did they present such a video ?
Jonathan – great point about Desmond changing the chain of events so that Mrs Hawking doesn’t know how things will play out. She said “for the first time in a long time” she doesn’t know what will happen…
Now, presumably she didn’t know what was going to happen when she shot Faraday in 1977, so this gift of foresight she seems to have (remember her selling the ring to Desmond and explaining that you cannot change events?) must have been granted to her in a future episode.
I’ve always thought that Ben Linus was able to see the future, or at least the general shape of it, through his actions and reactions to events on and off the island. But in recent episodes this foresight seems to be deserting him.
Will the incident (if and when it happens) enable both Hawking and Ben (and presumably anybody else in the vicinity when it happens) to see the future, the way that Desmond was able to after he turned the key? And is the fact that this ability is leaving them an indication that the incident was/will be somehow stopped..?
One other thing (long post, sorry), it seems obvious to me that Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid were pulled off the plane and back into 77 because they each had to do something back then. So far Sayid has shot Ben Linus, and then Kate was there to save him and take him to The Hostiles – perhaps they have other tasks to accomplish, we shall see. But that leaves Jack and Hurley, neither of whom have served any real purpose.
As I said before, I think Jack will now be hell-bent on continuing Faraday’s theory and trying to set off Jughead to stop EVERYTHING from happening. Personally I think that’s an insane idea, and will not only destroy the island but possibly the fabric of space/time yadda yadda. So it’ll probably be down to Hurley to stop whatever Jack sets in motion and save the universe. Dude.
Acer, about the comic con video,called dharma booth video, check lospedia.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dharma_booth_video
If that voice is not from Faraday, wich is unlikely, the only option i can think of is Miles. Listen again and check it out.The actor who plays Faraday once said that the video we’ve seen is only the half of it.
How did Faraday was so sure his mother was an hostile at that time? When he met her in ’54 he might have suspected it, but he didnt seem to really know it.
Maybe when he was in Ann Arbour he found out?
oh my god that looks absolutally BRILLIANT!
well how can it be miles, we can hear him crying in the background as a baby. i am still confused about some stuff, it is clear to me that a person is a person, 1 item, so how on earth could have miles see himself as a kid?? that’s totally incoherent. it messed up the whole theory to me.
Jonathan tks for sharing that link though
Karen I know what you mean about the whole a person is a person 1 item thing but say I went back in time to when I was a baby I could still see myself because I couldn’t not exist back then when I did… If you know what I mean. (you probably don’t!)
I’d have to have existed back then or else I wouldn’t now…
OH MY GOD I CAN’T BELIEVE ELLY SHOT FARRADAY!
The weirdest thing is that by wanting to erase their past, the losties will create it.
Advised by Faraday and his journal, i think Jack will try to explode Jughead, in order to destroy the swan , so all the subsequent chain of events that ended with Desmond having to enter those numbers and failing to do so wouldnt happen, so their plane would not crash.That is a major paradox, i know, cause if their plane hadnt crash they would not be there to try and stop it, but thats what they will do.
Instead , i suppose that this explosion of jughead is gonna be the incident itself , and after this incident the swan wont be destroyed, but will require that protocol of entering the numbers on the computers, wich will lead to the events that made them crash on the island.
By the way, Mr. Chang could be alive in present days, couldnt he? We dont know what happened to him. Maybe he left before the purge.
Karen, that comic con video was filmed around ’78. I was sure it was Faraday’s voice, but he didnt seem to have time to record it. Miles is in the same time as his younger version, we know that, regardless of what believe its possible. So, if it was not Faraday, can only be Miles filming.
JMK, i know i sometimes ask ridiculous questions, SORRY!
the thing is i understand of course only that it doesnt make sense. see, Ben could not go back to 77 because he could’t have met w/himself while a kid. therefore he could not time travel. that was what i meant. In that case, Miles shouldn’t have been able to time travel
First off Sorry I was wrong about Faraday meeting Richard Albert in ’54. I was completely wrong.
Second I like jonathan’s theory that Jack setting off the bomb id the reason for the protocal.
I thought Ben could go back but for whatever reason the time warp Gods or whichever didn’t let him do it. I don’t think he had a choice.
I do like the previews for the upcoming episode it looks to be great. Locke, Ben and Sayid will all be there.
What I find strange is that Daniel now thinks he can change things yet he still goes to Charlollet to tell her that she has to leave the island. To me this seems to be an indicator that they really can’t change the past.
His whole arugment for “this is their present and thats why they are variables and able to change things” is kind of confusing to me. Take for example Miles, whatever happened to adult Miles should still happen to baby Miles. So since babay Miles is there, to me that should indicate that they can’t change anything.
Also take Sayid and Ben for example. If Sayid had not traveled back in time, how would Ben have been brought to the others and to the temple so that he now will “always be an other”. In that episode we were lead to believe that Ben is who he is today because of the way he was saved.
For some reason, and I don’t know why besides the fact that Daniel told him that the rules don’t apply to him, I think that Des is the only true variable.
I think that all the 815 and freighter people that went to the 70′s always went to the 70′s.
Exactly like Jonathan said in post 127, “The weirdest thing is that by wanting to erase their past, the losties will create it.”
Hi all. I am back. Scoppie- thanks for the laugh in post 113 about Jack having something to fix and Kate following him around like a puppy dog. Too funny.
I wonder what is going to happen to Sawyer, and where was Horrace last week????
Also, I agree with everyone that Faraday’s death was all wrong, and there is no way a “weak” “thin” guy like Daniel would go into the hostiles camp toting a gun like Dirty Harry, especially when minutes earlier he looked scared when Kate handed him the gun.
More to follow . . .
What if the person who creates the video with Dr. Chang is Jack?
I mean the shows creators claimed that it wasnt necessarily Daniel that had created the film with him, and now that he is dead, we are able to assume that Farday wasnt the guy behind the camera, but instead the voice off camera could have just been a temporary filler until the real character meant to shoot the film could be dubbed over.
Maybe I am reaching, but it obviously cant be Daniel shooting the film with Chang now. Or can it?
Also, I still cant believe they killed Farday off like that, and confirmed it. I feel cheated in a way.
also, only 3 more episodes this season!!
Which means we are so close to finally getting the story about the damn statue, as well as finally getting to meet Jacob. (Im telling you though, I have a feeling that its gonna be Jacks grandfather.)
Hi,
I don’t post very often at all, but read the comments posted here all the time. I think there have been some really good theories suggested after this episode.
My thoughts are that Jack & Kate will indeed now try to detonate the bomb – what else are they going to do? They are stranded in time and without allies right now – so having some kind of a cause will be the thing they can focus on. I can’t help thinking that if the bomb does indeed get detonated then that will result in the very thing that Daniel says he was trying to prevent. I think there is some merit to the suggestion that he intended for himself to be shot……he may not have known Ellie (his own mother) would do it, but why would he go storming into camp if all he really wanted to do was talk to the hostiles.
I can see why Sawyer etc wanted to head for the beach, as it is the one place they know they can make sustainable camp and prosper as a small group. I wonder if a pair of our original losties might end up being the skeletons of Adam & Eve in the cave. I think that could work in terms of the timelines involved.
How does Faraday know his mother was with the hostiles when he came back to the island? He didn’t know that when he set sail on the freighter, and during the 3 years (74 -77) he spent at Ann Arbour she would have still been on the island herself – so how could he have become so sure his own mother was a) on the island in 1977 and b) with the others?
Still need to find out where the “what lies in the shadow of the statue” posse fit into the picture. My guess is a previously un-featured group, not aligned to either the others or Whidmore. Could be a Dharma faction though – we’ll see.
Anyway that will do for now.
Regards.
spoiler alert….season ending preview….spoiler
this is on yahoo.com
Lost
Season 5 finale airs Wednesday, 5/13 at 9pm ET on ABC
Charles Widmore told John Locke that a war would take place on the island, and that if John didn’t return, the wrong side was going to win. We’re still a little unclear on who — and when — the sides will be (Hostiles vs. Dharma; Oceanic 6 vs. creepy Ajira survivors; Smokey vs. everyone), but it’s clear that tensions are mounting all over, and will probably culminate in at least one shocking season-ending death. Other intriguing tidbits: The finale will introduce us to Jacob, the island’s spiritual leader, and we’ll see a wedding that takes place off-island. Thump!
1. Faraday- How did he get so much intel on the island from 1994 when he got the journal from mom until he got on the freighter in 2004?? I mean he was basically disturbed when he saw the crash of Oceanic on TV so I am assuming that he was not working on getting details on the island. Was he in contact with someone such that he would know that Desmond was his constant? Did one of the losties bring it forward in time to him, or when Elosie gave it to him it already had data in it?? We only saw the first page so maybe after she killed him she got the journal and kept it until his graduation. Did Widmore, who clearly had enough intel about the island to send the freighter give it to him?? Help!!!!
2. How did Faraday get the welcome picture of the Losties? Was it a fax that he had (I think so), and were there faxes in 1977??? Why would Dharma send fax copies of pictures of new recruits they already know about to Ann Arbor??
One more thing. Has Juliette moved up on the death list with the weepy sad my life is over look she had in this episode??? I remember back in Season 3 in Juliette’s back story that when she came to the Island Harper (I think) or someone said that she looked “just like her.” Is the “her” possibly an aged Juliette in that picture of the blond woman in Ben’s fathers house, which Ben eventually had? We have never gotten an explanation about that comment (among other things), so it may mean that there is more story for Juliette so she may go forward in time and is thus safe. Or, is that a picture of Ben’s mom and has nothing to do with Juliette?? If Juliette is safe is Sawyer higher in the list?? I hope not- He is too cute to be killed. I guess I want to know who gets bumped off next.
Last thing, where is C.P.L., Wolowitz and Jason??? Any insights on this episode? 3 days to go!!!!!
juliette has been my call to get killed for awhile now….she is dead….which is unfortunate cause she has great boobs.
I have been soooo busy these past few weeks…trust me….I feel like I’m left out of all the good conversation that has been going on around here. Also…I bought a sailboat so I have been sailing on my spare time…I know…TMI. But I LOOOOVVVE SAILING!
I agree….juliette is a gonner!….no doubt…and they have eluded to this in this episode with a slight rift in the happy home of her and her man when her man called Kate Freckles……
i do have so many different insights now….its kind of difficult to get them all out…. But for some reason three episodes ago something clicked that….DAMN….I REALLLLLLYYY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!!! LOL.
I really think Adam you are on to something with Daniel possible not being the one to die…. With that being said….. he has left a book behind and for all we know it could be Jack who comes up with the idea of the pendulum with the help of the journel.
I hate to see Juliette go because we still do not have all of her story. But, someone has to go, and it makes sense for it to be her as opposed to any of the original O6. But, I would not be upset if it was Miles even though I like him, because he has not been around all that long.
By the way, where is Sun and Sayid??????
Hello All. From the link posted in post #69 Carlton says:
“…we accept the fact that in the end of the day there will, probably, you could ask a spectrum of a thousand different fans “Well what question did you not get answered?” and there might be a thousand different answers, but we are focusing on what we consider to be the main questions of the show and the main narrative. It’s impossible to tie up every loose end, and we don’t really consider, honestly…For us, the focus of the final season really has to be on the main characters and what would generally be acknowledged as the most significant mysteries.”
So personally I’m not expecting I’ll get all my queries answered after this show is over, as to be very true, they cannot tie up all the loose ends. Side effect of the ever thrilling episodes we’ve been getting from them, I guess. They have made it so mysterious, that its even impossible for themselves to solve everything, keeping up the same standard of the show.
5 sneak peeks for Follow the leader.
http://colunas.tv.globo.com/lostinlost/2009/05/05/cinco-cenas-de-follow-the-leader/#more-4303
Totallylost and Adam,
I agree, Ive been saying it for weeks that I think Juliette is done. And yeah, when Sawyer called Kate freckles, in front of Juliette, he fucked up….and he knows it.
faraday is dead though jason…writers did confirm that
Jason,
I’m with you,just when I think I have it figured out, I realize that I really have no idea whats going on. I have been going back and watching some of the past episodes( they play them on scifi channel and G4, here in the US)and its cool cause I’m reminded of things that I had forgotten. At first I thought this would help, but I soon found it only raises more questions and usually debunkes my theories!
But watching these past episodes I realized they have been so focused on showing us the little things that we forget about the bigger picture here sometimes.Like WHY IS ALL THIS STUFF HAPPENING. I’m really beginning to think that this is all some elabrate live action Chess Game.
Adam…good and thank you….
So now another question who the hell designed the lighthouse station and why….Dr Candle I presume…
Oh yea.. I agree too that if not Juliette….Miles is goner…and maybe just maybe…both Miles and Juliette.
Oh and the scene with Faraday crying in front of the TV, I think because he said he was sorry about Theresa and said that he had tested his time machine thingiee on himself first that it explained why his memory had gone bad, I bet somehow he traveled to the future, I mean when Desond met him at oxford he basically helped him with the correct formula and told him somewhat about the future, so after Desmonds visit he had some sort of incline about the future events that were going to happen. Perhaps Desmond had been his constant for longer than we realize. Still haven’t figured out why he called the mouse Eloise, after his mother? is there some sort of connection there with the time traveling thing.
My bet is that Jack and Kate get Faradays Journal, read it and makes sure that Doc Candle sees it and he begins to do experiments to create the time machine. Or perhaps young hostile Eloise gets a hold of the Journal, reads it and this is how she knows whats going to happen in the future. Which makes sense after what she said to Penny in the hospital about this is the first time in a long time that she doesn’t know whats going to happen next–because Faradays Journal only went to as far as he knew. does this make sense to anyone.
Biglostfan,
I get what youre saying. It does make sense. I can see it being a possibility. Very clever thinking. but I think that Eloise has more to do with being in touch with the future in some way rather than just reading it in a journal.
Like how the hell did she know that the window would open and allow the survivors to get back to the island on the Ajira 316 flight?
I like to think she is a naturally wise, not just someone that just reiterates shit she found in her dead sons journal
Hi again,
I posted a few comments suggestions at 134 but so far not a single comment in response. This is not the first time this has happened either.
It feels like only comments from an inner circle of contributors are worthy of acknowledgment.
I am particularly keen to hear any views re my Adam and Eve suggestion.
Andy,
The main reason I think that no one has responded to your post is because a new thread has begun on the next episode.
Usually the commenting all begins in the forum for the new episode, and people stop posting on the old one.
Another reason may be that because that topic has already been debated by most of the users on this site on numerous occasions and it is not a fresh debate that is beginning to come close to getting solved. Sorry if I seem rude, Im not intending to be, but thats the main reason I would assume.
About there being an “inner circle”, this isnt LOST, there are no main characters and redshirts, the only thing I can tell ya is to keep posting. Most of us are posting theories and comments several times a week, so maybe we seem more familiar with one another because we are on morefrequently, but its a public forum, anyone with good theories and ideas is welcome to participate bro. So just keep involved. I think we all enjoy fresh ideas on this forum.
Peaceful