Some Like it Hoth
Not much of a preview for this episode. We already knew Hurley finds a body bag. Anyone seen any other previews? This is the only one I’ve been able to find.
Update:
Thanks to Kris C, here are 3 additional previews.
Miles, Radzinksy, and a few others bring a dead body out of the woods with a bullet hole in the head. Guess we now know who’s in the body bag. Or at least what they look like. It appears to be a new character. Anyone want to guess whether or not Radzinsky is the one who shot him and why?
Juliette and Kate meet back up. They tell Roger that someone came and stole Ben instead of telling him the truth about Kate giving him over to Richard.
Miles and Hurley compare their super hero abilities of talking to dead people. Hurley clearly is the winner.
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It looks exciting, I’ll probably post more tomorrow but BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!
CANT. WAIT!
ah Scott, you are the best !
I’ve got 7 hours to go!!!!! I hope we do not get disappointed about who is in the bag like we were with revealing that Amy (Horrac’s wife) was under the hood.
4 more hours for us in the US. can’t wait! I love this show!!!!
I’m going to guess the person in the body bag is someone that we don’t know. I think it will be a worker down by the well. that’s my guess.
I hate to speculate when the show comes on here in the US in a few hours, but I wonder if Juliette telling Roger that Ben was stolen is part of what prompts the incident?? Remember that Horrace and Richard spoke of the “truce”, and apparently they take that very seriously. Maybe Dharma sees that as a breach of the truce, and trouble is on the way.
Biglostfan, i am with you. Like Kris said the other day, i think the body is from a worker or someone not important.
My boldest guess would be Paul, but i dont think so…
SPOILERS
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episode brought more questions than answers.
– what was in the package Horace sent Radzinski?
– what were they doing in hostile territory?
– what Naomi meant by saying there were many deceased on the island?
– Miles meeting his younger version wasnt a time paradox?
– Ilana and that guy work for whom? Ann Arbour?New dharma?Ben?
it was curious that widmore offered 1.6 million to miles, and to that other guy he said he would take it for the double – 3.2 million, the exact amount he asked Ben not to take him on the freighter to widmore. Does it mean something?Is Ben with Ilana or is it just a coincidence?
– what was Faraday up to the last years?
The package was the body bag rolled up. The many deceased people was probably referring to the pit of dead DHARMA people that Ben showed Locke. Miles never met his younger self, he only saw him. Like Marty McFly or Doc Brown seeing their other selves in Back to the Future II. They never made true contact so, a paradox was avoided.
Spoiler if you haven’t watched the episode
jonathan,
I agree with Keith on the three answers, also they were building the swan in hostile territory, that is how Hurley new that the last number was going to 42.
As for what Faraday was doing and who Ilana and that group are with I really don’t know. Good to see Faraday back though & again with the “what lies in the shadow of the statue” again.
I can’t believe we have to wait 2 weeks now, argh.
*****Spoiler Alert******
I agree with Jonathan- There were more questions that answers. We did get to connect quite a few things from the past. So, I give the eposide a 7.5 out of 10, especially when compared to the killer episode last week.
So, Faraday has been off the island all this time. Permit me to pat myself on the back, because that is what I thought!!!!!! He actually does not look all wierded out.
Why is Radzinsky sooooo angry? It is almost overboard. Perhaps he is being affected by the islands electromagnetism.
How are they able to build in “hostile” territory without the hostiles intervening? I just cannot see Richard letting that go by, unless they are working together on it.
I love the star wars trilogy references (my all time favorite movies), and especially the unspoken comparison to Candle with a fake arm in a later Dharma video and both like and Darth Vader with fake hands.
Looks like in 2 weeks we will have a killer episode.
Can’t wait for Ben to kill his dad. Good Riddance. As a matter of fact, so many people on this show have or have had major daddy issues like Penny, Kate, Jack, Hurley, Sun, John, & Miles. I wonder why.
Naomi’s hair looked awful.
That’s all for now. Can’t wait to hear all the comments.
You are right Keith!
Probabably Chang wasnt bad as Miles thinks, and sent him and his mom off the island to protect them, otherwise they would get killed in the purge.Maybe warned by Faraday, who certainly will help build the orchid and the swan.
Sometime soon Faraday will record that film where Chang talks about the future, Bush, the purge, saying he has reliable source they would be dead, and asking dharma to gather again, and keeps looking to his left hand knowing he is gonna loose it.
Altough we know the numbers are the valenzzeti equation, they didnt seem relevant at that time, looked just a random serial number, i dont know, maybe they were carved there for a reason.
About Bram(the guys name) and Ilana, i still think they are with Ben. Other possibilities are Ann Arbour or Ms. Hawking(who knew the plane was heading to the island).
How did Phil had a recording of Sawyer?Didnt Miles erased it?
About Felix, he was bringing photos and papers about the faked 815 crash to Widmore. Either he was with a group opposed to Widmore and found out about Widmore’s involvement and was coming to confront him, so he got killed or he was with Widmore and found out the set up then he got killed by whoever did it when he was coming to show Widmore.
I think i missed a few parts of that episode, did we see ilana? Who is ann arbour?
Miles asked his mother how he could do the things he could, but she didn’t answer and he didn’t ask again-is that right?
I agree that there is no way the others do not know about the station being built outside of their territory.
Did widmore tell ben he had to return to the dharma group? If so then why didn’t they bring/give him back? Why didn’t sawyer and kate find out when he would be returning or if he would so they could make up a decent cover story? Seemed a bit odd that it was left on juliet to make something up on the spot. I’m assuming ben will be delivered back by the others and he’ll point the finger at kate and co and they’ll be sent off island?
What is the point of them even being back in the 70’s????? Are they just to stay put until locke comes for them? I’m amazed none of them seemed to have thought about this or why sun and ben didn’t arrive with them. And does anyone know where sayid is now?
I thought it was a good episode but it did help answer some questions and of course ask many more.
I agree that Ben probably hired the group on the plane and is responcible for Sayid being kidnapped.
I had thought Miles and Dr. Chang were related.
And a big pat on the back when it comes to the next episode I called that Sawyer wouldn’t want to leave.
Leave Naomi’s hair alone, she could show up bald and be the hottest girl in the room beside Ilana.
I don’t think Miles had enough time to erase the tape so that’s why Phil had it.
Could Eloise be Penny’s mother? The one Widmore was seeing? Could her and Faraday be siblings?
Lolo,
Widmore told young Ben that he could live with dharma and still be one of them(hostiles).So i guess he will be back in dharma soon.
We didnt see Ilana, but we know she is in the same group as that guy who was in tha van.
Ann Arbour is the University of Michigan, birthplace of the dharma iniciative in 1970, by Karen and Gerald Degroot and where Pierre Chang was a professor of Theoretical Astrophysics .
Ann Arbour its also where Faraday was arriving from when he showed up from the sub. He stayed there from 1974 to 1977.
About the others knowing about the swan,Lostpedia:
”In the March 20, 2007 Official Lost Podcast, Carlton Cuse confirmed that The Others had no knowledge of the Swan station; hence, Radzinsky, Kelvin Joe Inman, and/or Desmond were not killed during the Purge along with the rest of the DHARMA Initiative”.
About Desmond, i think he arrived on the island only in 2001, but anyway he wasnt bothered by the others, altough they could see the swan from the monitors of the pearl.
I know I’m probably the website pessimist but I didn’t like the episode as a whole. I like that we found out more about Miles but didn’t need a whole episode around him. We already knew his power anyway.
The best parts where when Naomi met up with Miles and when Miles was kidnapped in the van. We got something to think about during those conversations. Who is on whose side? Beneath the statue? Who are alive and dead? Hurley and the #’s was ok and he was funny also.
Everything else that happened seemed like it was stuff we already knew. We had Miles an Change related the first episode of the season! Most of it just seemed to fill time. And there were at least 25 minutes of commercials. There was literally 4 minutes of the show in between one break and the next at one point.
I just thought at this point with a few episodes left in this season we should be getting more than we did. I don’t know am I wrong? Thought the episode was very avg tho.
i didn’t recognize it but the guy from the Van, Bram, was on Flight 816 ajira airlines….I didn’t remember him but I read that on wikipedia….is that true?
Adam , he is the one pointing the gun to Lapidus with Ilana, remember?
When she asks him that tricky question about the statue.
adam,
yeah its true.
He was in the last episode “Dead is Dead”. He was the big guy next to Ilana when she asked frank the statue question and then knocked him out
my bet is these other guys Llana and co and working with Ben. they made a point to show us that Miles asked Ben a few episodes ago for 3.2 million dollars and then it shows him asking the van people for the same. I beleive there is a connection there.
As for Faraday I had a feeling that he left the island, so he’s been in Ann Arbor for these past three years, they said he was a scientist so we can assume he has been doing science related stuff there with the other Dharma scientists.
I really hope that with them reffering to all this “your on the wrong team ” stuff that this doesn’t end up being just some big massive game like king of the mountain, or something like that. that would be disappointing.
OK, about this episode, while I dont completely agree with adam, I do think it couldve been a little longer, and that there were some slow points. But I dont think it was that bad. It was primarily an episode to develop Miles’ character a little deeper, and to finally inform most of us what we already knew. That Miles is Changs son. (Real Shocker there) The conversation with Chang, Miles and Hurley was hilarious.
Also, we now know that you can be in the same place as your past and present self. Though they didnt interact, we at least know that a person can exist in 2 times. We never did get to see this before as Ben is in 77 and 2007. Charlotte never made it to 77, so Miles is the only person we know of in both time periods.
Much more to come later
I agree with all above who say that Ilana and her gang are working for Ben, even though it initially appeared that they were with Widmore. So that would include Sayid. After all, Ben did go and see Sayid in the Dominican Republic to get him to the US were he could snatch him. Perhaps whatever they are doing is what Alex knew about when she told Ben she knows he will try to kill John again.
Jonathan- Thanks for the blub about the Swan. However, I find it hard to beleive that the Others could know about the 2 bodies Sawyer buried (When Amy was around), and not know of the obviously big operation to build the swan. Something is not right here.
More later.
Totallylost,
To be fair all they knew was that the people were missing (I think thats the way it is was anyway) not that they were dead and buried. I think Sawyer told them the truth. I do however agree that it is hard to believe that the hostiles didn’t know about the build.
Here is the video Faraday made with Chang. It makes more sense now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdWLYVRiin8&feature=related
Ok, so did anyone else notice when little Miles went to go into that strange apartment, he found the key under the statue of a white rabbit. This can be a reference to a season 1 episode called “white rabbit”
also, and this may be a strecth, when Miles picked the key from under the rabbit statue, it was covered in shadow. IE. “what lies in the shadow of the statue?”
Then upon entering the room, he found a dead body. Could that be a clue as to the answer to the question, or the origin of it? I dont know, im just throwing out ideas on that. I know it was something small, but it could just be a clue to something bigger.
That makes some sense Moohaha..
I didn’t know who that guy was but now i get it. thanks
Wow Moohaha– Way to notice the details. Anything is possible with Lost.
Why would Bram need to use the code about the statute with Miles off the island? I don’t get that. I thought Ilana used it ont the island to Lapidus to identify other operatives/team members, but why use it with Miles. Bram et all knew he met with Charles Widmore’s associates, so what gives??
Jonathan, that video is a huge clue as to what happens. I always knew that his “source” was Faraday
I’m siding with adam, while i enjoyed learning a little more about miles, there was too little information to fill a whole episode. Either more info or move onto something else. This season feels like its moving very slowly. I guess the next mystery is what is in the shadow of the statue? We’ve been given nothing about that to intrigue us and ilana and her guy asking isn’t much if we’re to be drawn into guessing games on that. Its kind of annoying me how one week you follow locke and ben, the next the dharma people. And if sawyer has been keeping them safe for the last few years it seems a little stupid that he would have overlooked an alibi for taking ben. I’m starting to think the o6 and co would be better staying with the others until locke finds them. If that is what they’re waiting for.
I was right! I posted this question but had many conversations around it.
http://www.lostreview.com/2009/01/lost-season-5-episodes-1-and-2.cfm
The first 2 episodes brought many more questions than answers. here are a few I am having right now:
1. Is Miles the son of Dr. Chang – the training video guy? They show a child at the beginning of one of the episodes
He is!
Moohaha,
Very cool pick up, not sure if it means anything but I always like theories that make just enought sense that they could work.
Piggy backing of your find, I would say that the answer to the question of “what lies in the shadow” is “the key”. I know it is ambigious but hey maybe it is anohter building pointto expand the theory. The key was actually under (or in the shadow) of the rabbit statue.
I do sort of agree with Adam and Lolo about the episode not being that great, I would say I was satisified but for an episode before a 2 week break I thought that there should have been a lot more.
I think that when miles was getting the information from the dead guy for Naimo that he was just going to get the payment for the bodies but someone from Ben’s side got to him, killed him and then took the information which later went to Tom as he showed it to Micheal when he was trying to convince him to go back to the Island.
I thought the Hurley/Miles interactions were great. “fuzzy paw” that’s classic.
There is that foot remaining from a statue seen end of season 2? Is there another station underneath?
The Identity of the Man in the Morgue that Miles meets with Naomi is a man named Felix.
My initial guess is that this is the man that we see Widmore beating on the “red sox” video from the safe in Bens house that Ben showed to Locke. When he “introduced” Locke to the man who was looking for the island in season 4.
Ben said it was one of his people who had the misfortune of getting caught.
My guess is that this Felix was working for Ben. According to Naomi, this man had had all these documents, photos and shiiping orders that could have been used to blackmail Widmore or expose him as having faked the 815 crash.
We know Ben has access to that info as well because Tom had used it all to entice Michael to become the spy on the freighter.
So the guy in the morgue is either the guy on the video getting beaten by widmore or it is the actual guy who was shooting the video who gets discovered. Im guessing it is the guy on the tape as opposed to the guy shooting it, because the tape did make its way to Ben. So either the man who shot the tape gave it Ben personally or mailed it to someone who could pass it on to him, prior to being killed by widmores people.
Just some theorizing. This episode really got me into think-mode
Jones,
I posted my last post before I read yours.
Your theory def. makes sense about the man who discovered the fake plane crash and then being killed by Bens men and then them taking his info for their own use.
I think I may be more inclined to lean toward your idea.
Also, youre theory about the “key”, that is nothing short of brilliant. The “key” could be a station located under the statue. or it could just be a literary technique used by the writers to hint us that, like you said, the answer to that question is the key to the show.
It definitley hints us toward something.
There have been so many references to “Alice in Wonderland” and “Through the looking glass” on this show, that the whole -follow the white rabbit- notion is very rich and it can help clue viewers to many of the mysterys of the show.
According to the producers, this episode was not suposed to be a great one, but a kind of preparation for what will come next – the variable – 100th episode, wich promises to be a punch in the stomach.
hey totallylost,
what if Ilana brom and CO knew that someone from the freighter was there on the island but they didn’t know excatly who it was, they are trying to find widmores men and kill them. it would be interesting if this new group was apart of the hostiles.
remember when Kate and Sawyer handed over little Ben to Richard and he said he would come back different and that HE WOULD ALWAYS BE ONE OF THEM. maybe this new group is one of them too. just seems like they are all apart of a
i do agree that it should be impossible for the others not to know about the hatch, here’s another thought;
I believe Miles went to Ben for the 3.2Million because he knows he’s behind the group on the island.
naomi offered 1.6M and the ones in the van didn’t want to pay the 3.2M so why not go ask the leader for the moola.
I thought this stuck out like a sore thumb as the worst episode of the season, there were times when it felt almost as bad as early season 3! But as someone pointed out, it’s all just gearing up for The Variable, which will obviously centre around Faraday and whatever it’s taken him three years to work out – my guess is, he’s clocked that you CAN change history and will go about trying to convince everyone to help him to do just that.
But yeah, Some Like It Hoth (even the name is terrible!) all kinds of sucked. Bits of it felt extremely awkward and clumsy, like Miles conning the father out of that money and then giving it back to him with that lame message, or Pierre going from not knowing or trusting Hurley one minute, to allowing him to see the Top Secret building site for The Swan a few minutes later. And who can forget this classic moment:
“Hey man, what’re the serial numbers for this hatch?”
“Oh, I’ve got them here, let me shout them to you so that fat guy from the future sitting in that van over there can hear me.”
Please.
And worst of all (SPOILER ALERT, KINDA) for someone who’s seen The Empire Strikes Back so many times, Hurley really should know that Luke Skywalker lost his hand BEFORE Darth Vader told him he was his dad.
Biglostfan,
So this new group of surviviors are obviously on some sort of covert operation where none of them know about one another, and they only discover the other operatives through the answer to the question about the statue.
More of the passengers on the plane then just Ilana and Brom, Im assuming, are on some sort of mission, similar to the folks on the freighter.
My girlfriends theory was that Ilana and Bram and Co. are not aligned with Widmore or Ben’s sides, but instead they work for Mrs Hawking. Its possible that Hawking wants control of the island for herself or some other reason, and there she is sending in her people to maybe take it back in a way. She gives them a coded message to determine who her people are. I mean she is the one who knew that Ajira 316 was the way back to the island, and aside from the O6 and Ben, maybe she had the majority of her operatives placed on the flight. (remember Hurley bought all those empty seats so no one else could board, and there was a shot of a mother and her child to show us that Hurley was saving their lives) But other than that, Hawking couldve placed numerous people on this flight. As Ben had only found out from her, and Widmore only knew where to find Hawking , but supposedly nothing about the flight heading back to the island by flying through some time portal window.
Wheeewww.
Also, scoppie,
I agree, Hurley should have known better about his comment concerning Vader in Empire.
Bad form, Hurley/Writers
I saw on another site the biggest mystery overlooked so far by everyone. It being where the hell is Dharma getting the equipment to build all these hatches, sonic fences, and buses. Is there a Lowes or home depot hatch somewhere we haven’t seen yet?
On a more serious note, someone mentioned they didnt like the name of the episode. It is also a Star Wars reference of a planet that was unexpectedly over taken. Sort of like the Dharma Initiative will be over taken by the Purge.
I also think that Dr. Chang is a good man. I think either Miles will tell him who he is and that he’s from the future, or based on the video posted above where Farraday is filming, that he will tell him of the purge and Chang will send his family off the island as soon as possible to save them.
Scoppie, it is going to take me a few minutes to stop laughing at your post. I feel you pain. I gave it a 7.5 out of 10.
Jason and C.P.L.– where are you? I am anxious to hear your thoughts and analysis on this episode.
Jones, I am with Moohaha in saying that your theory about the key is brilliant.
Moohaha- raising the possiblity of a station under the statue- very brilliant.
Biglostfan- Good point about Ilana and Bram looking for Widmore’s people to kill them. In such a case, why clock Lapidus in the head when he clearly knew nothing about the statute reference?
In remembering the whole issue of the fake plane staging by Widmore, I have this question, and forgive me if this was already answered in a prior post. Why the fake plane?? I always assumed that Widmore did this to keep people from looking for the Island. If so, how did Widmore know that the Oceanic flight crash landed on the island in the first place?? Did he just make that assumption? Or, was he tracking Ben’s off-island people and maybe found out they were getting files/dossiers on them (even though Mikial was doing that on the island) What gives?? If he has been looking for the island for 30 years, I am guessing that he was not been able to have any contact with it. So, how did he know the plane was there, and if the plane crash was in an area where no one would look, why the fake plane? It seems like a waste of time. And another thing. How did Widmore find out the location of the island to get the freighter there? We know that Penny found it when the Looking Glass blocking signal was turned off, but what about Widmore? Just some things running through my mind.
Any thoughts my fellow Losties???
Scott- Wow. Thumbs up to you too. That sub did not look big enough to hold a bunch of beams and the stuff they were using. How did the VW busses get there too. Is there a VW plant there??
Moohaha- Re post 42–Have you girlfriend start posting. That theory was a good one. I almost forgot about Ms. Hawking. She is a devious one, and clearly not a friend of Ben.
Moohaha,
I’m thinking that Ms Hawking is in cahoots with Widmore because Widmore funded Faradays research at Oxford and Faraday is Ms Hawking’s son. good thought about Ms hawking sending this other group there though.
so if you are correct and Ms Hawking is apart of this group then is it safe to say we have 3 different sides here?
Dharma
hostiles-Ben
new group-ms hawking
where the hell does widmore fit in to this. more groups I guess.
maybe Faraday went back ( I mean left the island in 74) to the US found his mom and told her how to get back to the island. given of course that Ellie is not on the island anymore.
She did say that a mathmation or scientist (can’t remember) had found a way to find the island and invented that big pendulm thingie we saw before the O6 went back. I betcha Daniel is the one that created this.
that’s why she didn’t seem too concerned for Daniel when Desmond told her that her son needed her help. She had already talked to daniel in the past,and told her about the future.
holly crap I just thought about this,
what if Widmore and Ellie were already having something going on while they were on the island and she left the island before widmore did ? would explain why he kept leaving the island and had a baby off the island.
I mean if Widmore was on the island at 17 or before, would he really have any contacts back in the real world, from being gone so long. I mean the only people he knows are the island folks right? Given Penny’s age. He was on the island for quite a while I think before producing Penny, so it would make sense that
Widmore and Ellie fell in love on the island, she had to leave prematurely
they still kept in constant contact and she had a baby. makes sense to me.
Totallylost
I could only think of these possibilities of how Widmore knew of the crash .
1 – Locke.
Remember Locke met him in 1954. So, he knew that a guy from the future called John Locke(Locke said that) would go to the island . When Widmore left the island, he tracked Locke, sending Abaddon to watch him, and knew from the manifest of the plain that Locke was on 815, so he crashed on the island.
2 – He somehow knew 815 was gonna crash on the island, with Ms. Hawking’s help via lamp post and the losties were put on that plane to get to the island.The hole in this is that if Ms. Hawking always knew how to get to the island, why didnt she tell Widmore before 2004?
About the freighter, my only guess is that Faraday knew the coordenates to get to the island by boat.
Thanks Jonathan. I’ll have to give the first blurb about John more thought, but I see what you are saying and it seems plausible. That still does not explain the necessity for the fake plane, especially given that no one unassociated with the island knew where 825 disappeared, nor had a chance of finding it since it was so far off course when it crashed.
As for Daniel knowing the coordinates, he was very specific about the course headings when Lapidus was flying the helicopter with Sayid, Desmond and Naomi’s body to the freighter, and when Daniel was piloting the dingy to the beach. Maybe that was because he charted the coordinates in 1977. But, the only hole in that is that it appears that Widmore alerady knew where the island was when he assembled his team through Abbadon to meet certain needs on that trip.
So confused . .
One more thing (my minds is spinning).
Is there any possiblity that Desmond and Widmore will team up to go kill Ben for going after Penny? Widmore knew that Ben was going to kill them, so Widmore undoubtedly went to find out what happened. Given that both Penny and Desmond lived and probably told Widmore what happened, what a great opportunity for these former enemies to team up to get bug-eyed Ben. After all, Ms. Hawking said that Desmond was not done with the island.
Last one for now-I swear.
What if Ben is the secret boss of Ilana and her team? Hear me out. Remember early on in this season when Ben was in the butcher shop (where he took John’s body for storage) that he asked the lady behind the desk (I think she was Jill) if 2 people (I cannot remember their names) were in place? Well, we never met these guys, and maybe they were responsible for getting the crate or/and people ready for the plane. As I recall, the plane ride was already set up, so what else would those guys be doing? Another thing is that when Ben saw the metal crate on the island he did not seem concerned about it. He simply asked what was in it and moved on. I don’t know about you but Ben crashes on an island he think is his, a few of the passengers have a huge crate they are clearly trying to move, and you don’t care? No way for bug-eyed nosy Ben. Something is up.
Last question, where is Sayid and Jin?
Adam – I agree that the episode was poor but I think that is the case for more knowledgeable/hardcore fans, thus we didn’t get a lot from the episode whereas more casual fans may have only just realised miles was Chang’s little lad etc…
I don’t think we will ever learn how dharma get so many materials to the island because there is no reasonable answer, just another bugging point for us to think about when the writers won’t even consider it.
Oh chef who’s been on the island for a week do you want to see our most secret operation that 90% of our organization doesn’t know about? Even the guy who’s been on the island for 3 years and is the number 2 security man for dhama doesn’t even know about it. Yeah I’m sure Hitler told his cook about invading Poland, just to get an outside opinion.
Wolowitz, good point.
I remember when we first saw Miles, he went in a house to find where was the money from a dead guy. He used a kind of vacuum cleaner and he comunicated with the deceased, who showed him where the money was.
And now he says he needs a body to comunicate to, i got confused, at that time there was no corpse.
Another thing i never understood is how the food drops from dharma kept coming to the island after the purge.
Like someone mentioned, the daddy issues keep raising..
Locke, Jack, Sawyer, Jin, Miles, Hurley, Ben,Kate, Sun,Claire,Penny..
Regarding the DI gettin suplies to build stations and VW buses, I just assumed they got it all the same way they were getting those food drops.
By a cargo plane of some sort that has been myseteriously dropping crates of shit on the island for years. Like the supply crate from season 2.
I think that is the only assumption / explanation we will get on that.
There is too much other shit to solve first.
In case anyone wants a laugh, on another post someone said that a more appropriate title for this episode was “My Dad is a Douche”!!!
Michael Emerson talks about the end of the season.
http://dudewearelost.blogspot.com/
jonathan,
“promises to be a punch in the stomach.” I don’t know why I found it so funny but I laughed pretty hard when I read this.
Totallylost,
Although I would like to take credit for the theory, I basically just pointed out the obivious after Moohaha brought it all together. Moohaha even talked about the key in his original post (post28). All the same thanks lol.
Moohaha,
I was thinking on the same lines when it comes to who Bram and Ilana are working for. I don’t think it is Ben or Widmore, so the only other person that I think it could be is Ms. Hawkings. I was having trouble with why she would help Ben and the O6 get back to the island but then I remembered that they were trying to recreate the original crash as best as possible therefore inorder to get her people on the island she would also have to send the others back.
Someone (& myself) was wondering about the names used in the butcher shop so I looked at the transcript to find out:
BEN: Have Gabriel and Jeffrey checked in yet?
JILL: Yeah. Everything’s moving right on schedule. How’s it going with Shephard?
BEN: He’s with us.
JILL: Really? What’d you do, bribe him with some pills?
Possible Spoiler alert for the last two episodes
I saw on a tv show yesterday that Matthew Perry (from frineds) is suppose to guest star in the final two episodes.
So I rewatched this one again last night and the part with Miles in the van, and that dude Brom says to him about the shadow under the statue, I don’t think that it is some kind of code for finding others involved in this plot. I think that it is some kind of riddle, cause he says to Miles that once he figures out what lies beneath it will solve the mystry to him, it sounded more like some sort of game.
If matthew perry’s corny ass is cast to play Jacob, then I am done with Lost.
Hopefully it will only be for 2 episodes and no more.
I read that about Matthew Perry as well. I’m not sure that it was definite that he will be in the show. He said he wanted to be, but wasn’t sure people would take him seriously because of his long time role on Friends.
And I have to agree, if he is Jacob..I’m done.
Biglostfan,
I like your theory that the statue question could be more of a game as opposed to a code to see who is aligned on the same side. The show has been involving a lot more references to ancient egyptians, so I feel fairly certain that all this statue business has a lot to do with egypt somehow. I have no theory on how it all ties together, only that it somehow will.
I found this on Lostpedia. It is some info about the dead guy Felix that Miles “spoke” to this past episode.
Felix was the name of a corpse that Naomi had Miles “speak to” as part of his recruitment process before he could join the science expedition en route to the Island. Miles found out that Felix was on his way to deliver papers, pictures, and photographs of empty graves to Charles Widmore. One of the papers was an invoice for an old airplane, presumably the fake Oceanic 815 discovered in Season 4. It is implied that the death of Felix is how Tom obtained the exact documents Felix was carrying. Tom later showed the photos of empty graves and the invoice for the old airplane to Michael in order to convince him to help Ben by becoming a spy on the Kahana.
- So what I took from this is that Tom killed this man and took his information. Sounds convincing enough to me.
Jones, that sentence you found funny whas the translation of a brazilian saying!
SPOILER
I posted this sometime ago.It seems he is the one who will play Jacob.One sure thing is that we are gonna see Jacob at last, probably in flashbacks.
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/lost-exclusiv-1.html
Totallylost,…
I agree I feel for now….Illana is hired by Ben…if not Ben then a 3rd party like Alvo Hanso….?
I’m no math professor, that’s for sure, but in math terms or equations isn’t there a constant and a variable??? two episodes named for the fact they center around daniel faraday. I’m sure he is the mathematician Hawking was talking about who built the pendulum. Charlotte was a child on the island and left….Miles was a child on the island and left. Might be that Daniel was a child on the island and left also. They all left with their mothers so maybe daniel left with his mom…..mrs. hawking.
I think we are def not getting answers on how the supplies and stuff get to the island. We just have to suspend our disbelief and just understand that hey get there somehow.
I’m getting just a bit annoyed that every episode seems to be setting up another episode. I can only take that as an excuse for so long before it gets stupid…am I wrong?
Some of the theories sound good and plausible but I’m not sure that’s it. The writers I think have planned some big things for the show. i don’t think we are going to guess it.
This next episode looks real bad ass though. It is set up for us to get a lot of answers….. I think.
So Faraday def left the island. Maybe when you leave you don’t go back to 1977 but can go to a different time??
Naomi told Miles that there were ”deceased individuals residing on the island” and that they were going after the ”one man responsible for them being deceased”.We know they came looking for Ben.
Well, the easiest way to understand it is that she was talking about the dharma dead people, but the way she said it i think may be something else.
It reminded me of Christian and Locke.”..deceased individuals residing on the island”..
We know Ben Killed Locke, so it fits her speech, so maybe Ben killed Christian too, as his death was never shown.
Jonathan,
interesting theory.
I know that since we never saw how christian died, that it may be brought back up in future episodes. But thinking Ben may have done it is a thought that hadnt occurred to me.
This could get good
Hey Jonathan. You may have a point about Christian and Locke because Miles said that the dead can only tell him what happened before they died-and nothing after. So, why have him talk to the Dharma folk in the graves, as they would not know where Ben is (only that Ben orchestrated their death). So, that could mean Christian and Locke.
But, that brings me back to my original question in post 45. Widmore has been off the island for 30 years and looking for it since being ousted. So, how is he getting information about who is on the island, who is alive, who is dead, and what is going on? This is a huge hole for me right now. How could he possibly know that Christian is a ghost, or that Ben was even still alive? Something is not right here.
We know how Ben tracks people off Island (using the sub to go nback and forth (before John blew it up), Mr Friendly, others, and maybe through the Lamppost), but how in the hell does Widmore monitor the “happenings” on an island he cannot even find (until he did with the freighter, and I still do not know how that happened???) So, unless Widmore knows what is happening on the island, what purpose did Miles serve on the expedition??
By the way, I think I have an answer as to how Dharma is getting materials and VW busses to the island. Dharma only uses the sub for personnel travel, but owns a freighter that ocassionlly comes to the island to drop off stuff. Now, why drop off food via hot air ballon if this is the case, but it is the best answer that I can come up with.
If Ben killed Christian, that would put me over the edge for good!!!!
Adam, i guess if Faraday left with the sub in 1974 it was also 1974 off the island.
Now, something less important, but curious.
That woman related to Faraday that was in an hospital bed(Theresa),
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Theresa_Spencer
seems to be the same one that appears in Lockes crazy vision with Boone in the beggining of the show, when Boone keeps repeating her name.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb42PdhmDtA&feature=related
Totallylost,
I am not sure that I am with you on the holes you stated in post 71. I think widmore knew that ben was alive because he had pictures of him off the island. As for him knowing what was going on on the island, I am not sure that he did know. That could be why he sent in the military team. To deal with the unexpected, Miles could help determine what had happened to people which may help them get a history of the island since widmore left and help them to find or capture Ben.
As for the plane I would assume that since a plane was missing there may be people looking for it, by putting down the fake crash site there would no longer be anybody looking. Leaving it clear for Widmore to do what they like.
Adam,
The constant and the variable being Faraday centric certainly does make a strong case for him to be the mathematician that Ms. Hawkings is refereeing too. I also think that in this case the variable may be Des because of how Faraday talked about the rules not applying to him.
jonathan,
I think that the Theresa that Boone refers to (“Theresa falls up the stairs, Theresa falls down the stairs”) died because she fell down the stairs, so I don’t know if it is the same person. It could be though.
I do really like the possibility that Naomi was referring to Christian while talking about the dead people that could help on the island.
OK, as usual LOST is twice as entertaining if you come here and read all the posts after you watch it. Can’t say I have any further insights to share (certainly nothing like the linkback between the vegged out woman in Cambridge and the dream of Locke’s in season 2 — wow!).
However — a small correction — Ann ARBOR (not ARBOUR), the city I was born in, is not the “University of Michigan”. The Universty of Michigan is one of the institutions IN Ann Arbor. It is also the home to Borders Books and many other things.
Ann Arbour does reference University of Michigan in the lost world because that is where Dr. Chang and Hanso or the Degroots are from.
Jonathan -
I like that theory. Certainly makes sense. Good one.
How does Whidmore know everything is also a hole for me. He seems to know a lot for someone who has not been on the island for a while.
Jones- Thanks for the different perspective. It is certainly plausible. Perhaps we will find out before Lost ends how the freighter had the coordinates to find the island.
Jonathan, if it turns out that Daniel’s Theresa is the same one from Locke’s dream in season 2, I will be convinced that you work for the show!!!!!
SPOILER ALERT
It is my understanding that the episode after next, “Follow the Leader” is centered on Richard Alpert.” That may also be a bad ass episode, as there is so much mystery surrounding Richard (and not just related to his purported eyeliner!!)
RE post 71
Totallylost,
Maybe Richard is keeping him informed. We know they were both on the same side at one point, and that Richard has gone back to the mainland on numerous occassion (IE to recruit Juliette)
What if in exchange for some information on the island, Widmore offered to have Juliettes husband killed by the bus, that wasy Richard could get Juliette to come with him?
Moohaha- Wow-Great thought. After all, Richard is a little disgusted with Ben as we saw when he talked to John just before John had Sawyer kill his father in Season 3.
Also, I think that Widmore was able to find the island (and thus send the freighter) after the hatch imploded in the end of Season 2. It must have sent off some electromagnetic pulse that allowed Widmore to track it, perhaps from the Lamppost.
TotallyLost post 71 – Widmore hasn’t been off the island for 30 years as we saw him kicked off the island by Ben after the purge i.e. post 1992. Presumably he would have learnt a lot of info in the period after the purge and him being kicked off the island, as he was in charge of the others at that time.
Moohaha good thought on Richard as he said that he didn’t answer to widmore in 1977 when widmore was in charge and he may not answer to Ben. Richard may just do his own thing for what he feels in the best interest of the island. e.g. He let Locke know about his fathers relationship with Sawyer, Sawyer killed his dad and then Locke become more involved with the others group.
Adam…I agree…He does seem to know alot…This why I support the theory that eventhough Widmore was an Other….secretly he was involved with the DI. I feel this is why Widmore was going off the island coupled with a love interest in Penny’s mother. This involve with the DI also seems fitting since since there is no Lowes or home depot but yet….Widmore Industries just happens to have these types of supplies…(I’m just saying and have been saying for sometime…I may be wrong and will be the first to admit it if so when it all develops)…Like me saying Locke could of been in the body bag for this latest episode. But Like others I too called Baby Miles.
Speaking of Richard..(I just saw the Actor in a Hieneken commerical.)
after this episode I realized something and for a week now I couldn’t put my finger on it…but now I’ve got it. In “The Little Prince” the behinders were getting shot at while paddling the canoe….Eitherway…The found the boat on the main island infact there were two (Juliette makes points out the aljazier (spellcheck?) airline water bottle)… Well…we can now assume that they were getting shot at by Illana and her people but why and of course who as expressed in last weeks posts). What get’s me is the fact that there were 2 boats there and why did Illana and them come to the mainland? Also….This also means that in old Locke is on the island at the same time as reborn Locke. I don’t know why I’m pointing all this out just some thoughts.
I am also begining to think the Jughead bomg is barried near to where the swan hatch is being built…I understand this may be a stretch. but hey.
As far as Faraday coming back it now makes sence that why Sawyer didn’t answer Jack about him….In this episode we discover Horace and Mr. Candle have intrusted Sawyer not to talk about certain things one being the swan station…. So Faraday being gone and his involvement in the project means Sawyer couldnt talk about it since his heart is a little more favored with the DI.
Look all…I apologize for my bad grammer, spelling, sytax. I always in a rush when posting but I will work a little more to make the posts a little more respectful to read…sorry.
Wolowitz- you are right. Charles was on the island for 30 years, but off for much less time. There must be a mole in the Others, and it very well could be richard!!!!!
Jason- I can understand you just fine!!!! And, you are right– when Sawyer, Daniel et al found the boats there were 2. So why 2 boats?? By the way, neither boat looked big enough to haul that crate that Ilana had. I want to know who got shot in that boat when Juliette played Rambo. If Ceaser were still around I would hope it was him, but if not, let it be Bram.
Also, are we sure the Ceasar is dead?? People sometimes have a hard time being dead on Lost. It seems like there was much more to his story (being in first class on the plane, etc . . ) I have a feeling we are not done with him yet.
wow great episode !!! great great great !
i really love the relationship between Hurley and Miles and i love it how Hurley innocently provokes miles for him to run out of patience!
Very well seen by someone here the relationship between lost and star wars! it was totally on the plate in this episode, very interesting
really liked Miles teenage look, with the punk due and the piercings
Moohaha – well in that case that answers the question. Ilana is definitely not working for Widmore. i dont think she is working for Ben but could be since she was part of the plan to take Sayid back to the island in the Ajira plane.
There is one thing that has been bothering me though: how can it be possible that miles saw himself as a baby???? that is a discrepancy! there can’t be miles two times! just as the reason why ben could not go back to the past, there would have been little and big ben… any ideas on the explanation for this?
By the way, Jim Lafleur has gotten damned sexy !!!
Im guessing Daniel Faraday will have something to do in the last episode, the incident.
so Lost wont be on air next week? we have to wait 2 weeks?
tks!
Karen– Amen to sexy LaFleur. Jack used to be too, but now he is just a wet blanket.
yeah i agree ! he went from top character to workman sweeping the floor
a very funny part of the episode is when Miles reads Hurley’s journal and goes GRRRR hahahaaa !! hilarious !
Karen, I agree. the scene with Miles reading Hurleys journal had me cracking up. I have a friend just like that who, one time, decided he was going to re-write his own version of Star Wars, and he had all Chewbaccas lines written the same way. This friend of mine is also of similar stature to that of Hurley, which is why i found personal humor in it as well.
Sorry for the personal story, Ill stay on track in future entries
for you it must have been double hilarious then !
i love the fact that although being quite a dramatic series, the Hurley character gets to put the note of humour everytime!
this season there have been 2 really funny episodes, 1 is this one (Hurley/miles) and second is the one with the torturer (He’s Our You) when Sayid’s tortured
Hey, Jonathan (or anybody else)
can someone explain to me where did that video with dr. chang and faraday came from? what is that?
and i got to admit. i am as lost as hurley. the dharma iniciative in the 70s already happenned. If they were there at the first time they would be either dead or old. So it seems like everything happens with or without them.
If that’s so why everybody keeps telling john lock that a war is about to happen and he is responsable for helping the right side win?
could john change any of this…
Joana ,that video is called The Dharma booth video and it was shown at Comic-Con 2008 during the Lost panel.
It was probably filmed in 1978, as Chang says we would be receiving it in 30 years, and it was in 2008.
”Comic conventions are fan conventions held annually to celebrate and promote the comic book, comic art and animation/anime industry. Over the years, they have extended to cover a number of TV shows, movies, video games and other pop culture elements popularized by or associated with the science fiction or fantasy genres. They feature interactive discussion panels, special shows and workshops, and encourage fans to dress up in costumes of their favorite characters (known as “cos-play”)”-lostpedia.
About the timeline, as Miles said,their present is the island’s past. For them its the first time, altough it allready happened for the island, thats why they cant remember it.Maybe at some point soon we’ll find out that some things can be changed.I dont think Widmore can be trusted and i dont think he really meant to help Locke .
Karen, i guess a person can be in the same time as his other time version…but they just cant get near each other, as Chang said about the rabbits in the Orchid orientation film.
About the orchid, it was curious they took the body of the dead worker there. For what? Some time travel experiments?
That scene we saw in the first episode, of Faraday in the orchid, it hapenned in 1977, after he came back with the sub, while the Arrow orientation film was being shot.
Sorry for the long post.
Just rewatched the episode and noticed two things that I don’t think were mentioned above.
There is an 8 inside the statue of the bunny that miles looks under to find the key, probably doesn’t mean anything but you never know.
I think the DI symbol on the jump suit that Faraday has on is of the Swan station, seeing that they are actually still building the swan I would assume that now Faraday will be on of the people that helps build it.
ok – so in theory, little and big ben could be reunited! only that probably little ben would not be able to see big ben. or vice versa? i think this is very confusing!
About the 8 on the rabbit, the writters are ALWAYS making allusions to the sequence (8,15,16….etc) so i guess its just that.
Didnt the rabbit in the orchid video have the number 8 painted on him.
Or was that the rabbit that Ben used to con Sawyer?
I could swear one of them was number 8. Or was it 6?
Ill have to double check
Either way, good find Jones
As for the comments about old Miles seeing himself as a baby, but not coming in contact with each other, I have a very vague recollection that in one of the Dharma videos (maybe the one Locke was watching in the Orchid while Ben was blowing the hole in the transporter), that Chang (or whatever his name is) madea a big deal about the time travel rabbits getting too close to each other. So, that makes me think that so long as you do not come into close contact with yourself while in seperate time periods you are ok, which is why Miles could see himself and not mess anything up.
By the way, how obvious was it in this episode that Miles will eventually forgive his father once he realizes that he sent him and mom away to be safe from the purge? Nice touch also on him reading baby miles a polar bear book!!!!
The incident. Miles meets miles.
Funny Scott!!!!
well yeah but what would happen if miles came close to baby miles ? technically nothing is on the way for that to happen! it could happen if miles wanted to. And, did everyone see the DI video? no, just Locke! so normally, miles has no idea.
in that case, little and big Ben could also be sort of reunited.
that’s funny the time of posts… it says i posted mine at 11h35 pm. well here is 6h35 am! lol
sorry if im a bit behind on all this but I dont get the reference to losing a left hand- who????
And why was there still regular deliveries of food for Desmons hatch years after the DHARMA were all killed?
All, I have never laughed so much as I have reading some of these post, thank you so much I really needed to laugh.
two things- First they are just now building some of these hatches but we’ve already seen Alex being kidnapped as a baby by a presumably early 20’s Ben and then we see her as about 10 year old on the swings and Widmore is being escorted off the island, how can you explain this? ben is a teenager now Sayid just saw Rousseau kill her husband so who the hell is the father of Alex??? Also that would mean the purge wouldn’t take place for another 5 years or so, because there no reason for the others to finish the hatches would there???
Second- When Ben arrived in the desert there were no security cameras, unless I missed something, why were there cameras when Locke arrived???
Thanks again for the laughs…
Hayley, Pierre Chang appears in some dharma orientation films with a fake left hand.
He will possibly loose it in the incident.
About the food drops, it remains a mystery.
Richard7769,your confused, man!
The hatches are being built in 1977.
Ben kidnapped Alex in 1989.Her father was Robert.
The purge happened in december 19, 1992, 4 pm, Ben’s birthday.
Widmore was banned after that, probably 93.
And Robert was killed in 1988 by Rosseau.
Jin saw it, not Sayd!
Hayley,
Dr. Chang (the guy from all the orientation video’s and Miles father) losses his left hand/arm at some point in the 70’s. The reason we know this is that if you watch the Orientation video’s, in the earlier ones Chang has his hand but in the last one he has a fake hand.
The character Hurley is a fan of the “star wars” movies and in a conversation with Miles makes reference to when Luke loses a hand in a fight with his father Darth Vader.
As for why the food drops continued, as I remember to get a food drop all they had to do was push a certain code into the Swan computer and then they got there food. So at first I thought that the people supplying the food were unaware that the original DI had been killed off but this is a very weak argument. I know there was a discussion about this a while back but I can’t remember if anyone came up with a good theory on this.
As far as Miles seeing himself. Some are saying you can’t see yourself and it’s a discrepancy for someone in the future to see their past selves. Is everyone basing this on back to the future??? I don’t think you should base that theory off another movie. The characters reference it but that doesn’t mean its for sure the way it is. This show could go in a different direction and allow that to happen. who knows. i hate having two weeks off between shows.
Sorry for repeating the same info, your posts were not up when I started mine.
I had a thought that I don’t think was discussed on here very much but would like your input. When Des was having his time flashes his body stayed in the present (Season 4 – The Constant) the same with the guy they got locked in sick bay with George Minkowski. But apparently (as told by Ceaser) Jack, Sayid, Hurley, and Kate actually disappeared off the plane bodies and all. They could be separate I guess but I always saw them as the same (i.e. what happened on one case should have happened in the next or followed the same rules). So with this argument in mind is it possible that O6 that disappeared from the plane or not originally from our timeline but at some point while they were young they time traveled to our time. It could be an explanation as to why some people went to the 70’s while others didn’t.
It doesn’t make a lot of sense to me but I just wanted to throw it out to everyone to get there thoughts.
i also saw a post where someone said how obvious it was that Miles is going to forgive his dad because he knows he sent him off the island to protect him. Your right….so obvious. They will have their own Darth Vader/ Skywalker moment like Return of the Jedi.
I hope we get a Richard Alpert episode…..that would be great even though it’s like 3 seasons to late.
Jones,
I don’t remember anywhere when they talked about getting a food drop by entering a code. could you enlighten me?
Maybe jones,
this is how Widmore is getting info on the island while he is not there. maybe he has the same capability as Desmond being able to switch mind sets to diff times. Or maybe He has connections to the cameras at the swan and has been able to tap into their video stream somehow.
and interesting thought on how the 06 disappeared and could possibly be their younger selves switching mind thoughts. but was everybody in the o6 born before this time. they came back in 1974. I don’t believe that Hurley or Kate was even born yet. not until 1977 anyway.
Jones- Wow- that theory is crazy, but you make some great points. I almost forgot about Desmond and Minkowski, and how desmond went back in time (albeit in flashes) while he stayed in the future. And, I now remember Ceasar saying that the 4 disappeared. There has to be something to that phrase, and maybe the explanation as to why some went back in time and some forward.
Adam- our Richard Alpert episode is called “Follow the Leader” and is the 3rd to last epiosde of this season. I read that this will tell us his back story (finally).
Richard7769- The possible reason why Ben did not land where the secruity cameras were like John did is because bug-eyed Ben tipped the wheel off the axiswhen he turned it, and that may have thrown his landing point off. John, on the other hand, fixed it and turned it, so he came out in the right place. Now, how Widmore knew to put the camera’s where JOhn came out is a whole other story, as that would mean that he knew about this time-travel deal or/and the wheel before he was banished. Just another mystery.
Jones-I am with Biglostfan- I don’t remember a code having to be entered to get the food drop. I do recall that suddenly the doors came down to lock them in, and presto, there was food, but I cannot remember what triggered the doors coming down. I thought it just happened, as if the food drops came at regular intervals, and ha never been stopped after the purge.
biglostfan,
I don’t think they would have had to be born before 77 just as long as they time traveled before the purge in 92. I think what you are thinking of is a little different. Maybe they didn’t return to there bodies because they are still not back to there original timeline.
There are a lot of holes in the theory though I will be the first to admit, like for Des he was reliving parts of his past so did his past self disappear when he came back to the present (i.e. did he disappear in between when he was in the army first in bed sleeping with sergeant waking him up, and the next scene of him out in the yard doing sit-ups) none of the other people there with him during those times talk about him disappearing.
My thoughts on the camera are that since Widmore is searching for the island he probably has stations similar to the one we saw in the artic manned by the two guys that call Penny after they picked up the magnetic anomaly. (I think that was when Des turned the fail safe key and the Swan station imploded) If he does have stations like this then that could be how he found the island. I would assume that when Ben turned the donkey wheel that another magnetic anomaly was created and is how Widmore pin pointed the exit point. So after Ben came through Widmore set up a camera at that location.
Adam post 109 – that’s me and NO i have never seen Back to the Future i hate that movie for personal reasons and its pure coincidence. BUT i still think that adult miles seeing himself as baby miles IS a discrepancy because its the same person ! how can you repeat yourself ? unless one was invisible like in this movie i dont recall the name but its a guy that revisits his past, present and future with the christmas ghost, movie in which the guy sees himself throughout his life but only as a spectator. sorry but its seems bizarre to me!
i know 2 weeks its a lot, that really sucks…grrr
biglostfan – well the fact that someone was still pushing the code meant that there was still someone in the island and therefore there was food dropped every now and then. however, we all know how difficult almost impossible is to find the island, seems very strange to me that a chopper could find the way everytime so easily… but hey, it could happen just as Widmore’s crew found the island with the exact positioning etc…
adam -agreed !!! totally, there should be a Richard Alpert centric episode, i still dont totally get this character… who is he? where does he come from? why does he never grow old ? …
BIGLOSTFAN and TOTALLYLOST,
There was a scene in the season 3 episode “Enter 77″ where Locke beats the computer in chess, and it gives him options on what he would like to do.
To initiate a food drop was one of the options, I think a food drop was initiated by entering 75.
The reason the Flame station blew up was that Locke triggered the explosion by entering code 77, which, if i recall correctly, was an incursion by the hostiles.
If you are still confused, I would recommend to re-watch that episode, and just watch the computer screen as Locke is listening to the commands from Dr. Chang
Its pretty interesting how the command to enter is 77, and the Losties are now stuck in 1977.
Just another little nuance that makes this show so awesome
The last time we know of a food drop was in season 2. I assumed it was just time for Mikhail to routinely initiate the drop from the Flame station.
Perhaps supplies were running low.
Also, totallylost, is this whole Richard episode, “Follow the leader” is that confirmed or is it just hearsay?
Moohaha- thanks for the explanation, and I remember now. I was thinking that the food drop was triggered from the hatch–not the flame, so I was racking my brain to remember how the blast doors came down in it.
I am also pretty sure about “follow the leader,” being about richard. I’ve seen it on several different sites, and part of the casting call was for amid-aged ship captain who will beclaled Captain Bird, which many mean that we will get the story of the black rock ship (finally).
**Spoiler Alert about the Variable***
OK– All this is unconfirmed, but since we have to wait 2 weeks, we might as well get something. This is a cut and paste from other sites:
“Look for Mrs. Hawking to explain stuff like her relationship with Charles Widmore and for Daniel to explain some of the mysteries of the Island. [...] Also present are Penny and Charles Widmore and Charlie Hume (not to be confused with Charlie Pace). As for the variable itself, it will almost certainly tie back to the equations and notations from the blast-door map we saw in season two, which included such bon mots as “Geological composition likely to cause magnetic disturbances/interference with weather project,” “Primary nexus of Cerberus-related activity” and the infamous Valenzetti equation”
AND
“This episode is a direct follow up from “The Constant.” It continues with Desmond’s and Daniel’s adventures. We get more info on Daniel’s notebook statement “Desmond is my Constant.” The early planning of this episode may explain why Desmond left the army.”
****LAST SPOILER ALERT- THE INCIDENT***
**********DONT READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW*********
Here is a cut and paste of what I saw. Who knows if it is true:
“We will be seeing a 3rd Eloise Hawking. This time played by Alice Evans who will between the ages of the young and old Ellie. The Wedding scene is definitely that of Sun and Jin as has previously been reported and NOT that of Aaron and JiYeon that has been speculated on some sites. Jacob will be in attendance for the ceremony”
So, apparently there is buzz out there that Jacob has been at attendance at various events before Oceanic crashed, including when John got tossed out the window, at the funeral for sawyers parents, and at Suns wedding. That is why they cast him, and it is not Matthew Perry, but is supposed to be the guy who plated Rita’s ex-husband on Dexter. Here is what I saw about that:
“Fact: Dexter alum Mark Pellegrino (he played Rita’s abusive ex) has been cast on Lost in a pivotal role, multiple sources confirm to me exclusively. Unconfirmed scuttlebutt: He’s playing Jacob in an off-island, circa-’70s flashback involving some very familiar faces! Fact: He turns up in the season finale. Unconfirmed scuttlebutt: One of those familiar faces is *a****! [...] We will come to learn that the dude who may or may not be playing Jacob bore witness to pivotal events in the pre-island lives of Locke, Sayid, and Sawyer. [...]” ;
“Young James meets Jacob at his dad’s funeral. [...] Something goes horribly wrong with the construction of a Dharma station. A recent shoot might clue us into how Marvin Candle lost his arm. One death happens before the finale and one might occur during. [...] There will be an assault against Dharma. They will attack the latest Dharma station that is under construction. Jack has some explosive plans which may lead to “The Incident.”
Last, they say that we will find out what happened to Rose and Bernard.
Well, that is all I saw. I imagine that the rumers will fly as we get closer to the episode.
I dont think Follow the Leader will be centered in Richard. The leader in the title i guess is Locke.
About Desmond, i reassure my previous post, i think he indeed got hurt by Ben, thats why he said he was sorry.
And thats what is gonna make him have go back to the island.
I was always curious about Desmond’s parents. I guess he is the only main character whose backstory was not shown.
Maybe there is something to it.
All i remember is that once he said he had three brothers to take care, because something has happened to his father.
Jonathan- Thanks for the timeline correction, however what about the security cameras?
How did he find out that was the spot to put them? I had thought that maybe when he was banished he arrived there but now we know he was sent on the sub so how did he know?
Richard, he lived on the island till around 93, so he may know much more about it than we imagine.
Also, Ms. Hawking lived there as well, and she has the biggest knowledge about time travel , and they were close at some time, maybe even now, as he knows where she lives.
I think we’ll still see a lot more about these two.
Ms. Hawking (Ellie) may even be Penny´s mom, i wouldnt be surprised. The same for Widmore and Faraday.
That would make Faraday and Penny brother and sister…
I think the reason that Widmore knows where to put the security cameras is because Charlotte found the exit and then later is hired by Widmore. So wouldn’t it make sense that he would have found out about the exit from her. (or from when he was investigating her before he hired her) Widmore knew all about Miles, so wouldn’t he have information on Charlotte as well.
Roni makes a good point. Charlottes trip to Tunisia may have something to do with Widmore knowing where to find the exit.
I dont think Charlotte is completely done on the show. I think she will come back somehow, either in flashbacks, as a spirit/dream to Daniel, or maybe even if they alter time, they may be able to redirect their current time to where Charlotte is still alive.
Just some possibilities
Also, what about the 2 armed, bedouin dudes on horseback who came rolling up on Ben like a minute after he woke up in the desert?
Does anyone think it could be possible that widmore could have been paying these men to monitor this area of the Tunisian desert in order to maybe pin-point the exit, so that he may be able to set up his camera there. (Similar to the 2 men that Penny had stationed in the Arctic to monitor electromagnetic activity)
Ben only killed the one guy, and knocked the other out, so if this were the case, Widmore would have gotten word that this is where Ben came out, and determined it the spot to monitor for any further activity.
Thats my possible theory
Moohaha- I swear that you have a photographic memory when it comes to all thngs lost!!!!!!
I totally forgot about the 2 dudes in the desert, and yes, it was strange that they came out of nowhere, and immediateley considered Ben an enemy. Well, what I mean is that if you see a hurt guy in a winter parka laying in the desert you would see if he is alright, but these guys just pulled a gun on him. So, they probably had a sense of who he was. But for Ben’s Bruce Lee act, he would have been scooped up like John an dhelf until Widmore got there.
So, you are probably right that Widmore might have been patrolling the Tunisian desert area, so knew that someone came out.
By the way, it is interesting that Lost chose Tunisia for that scene and the others (Charlotte and the bear, andjohn), as that is where they filmed the Tatooine scences for Star Wars.
Moohaha- I swear that you have a photographic memory when it comes to all things lost!!!!!!
I totally forgot about the 2 dudes in the desert, and yes, it was strange that they came out of nowhere, and immediateley considered Ben an enemy. Well, what I mean is that if you see a hurt guy in a winter parka laying in the desert wouldn’t you see if he is alright, but these guys just outright pulled a gun on him. So, they probably had a sense of who he was. But for Ben’s “Bruce Lee” karate act, he would have been scooped up like John and held until Widmore got there.
So, you are probably right that Widmore might have been patrolling the Tunisian desert area, so knew that someone came out.
By the way, it is interesting that Lost chose Tunisia for that scene and the others (Charlotte and the bear, and John), as that is where they filmed the Tatooine scences for Star Wars. Just a little trivia!!!
Sorry for the double post. I guess I hit submit twice!!!
Maybe Charlotte knew where the place in tunisia was because she found the polar bear there. They must have sent a dead polar bear through the “time machine” and it dies there. When charlotte found it thats how they knew that point was an exit for the island.
I do think the next episode will be either about daniel or richard.
i’d love to see richards back story….i feel everyone would want that.
Richard would know mrs hawking if she is the girl from the island ellie. I think we are all sure she is. He also obviously knows whidmore. he is a very important character and his story needs to be told.
i do like theories that relate to daniel being related to penny or whidmore etc…
But didn’t whidmore have a baby with an outside person? Prob Pennies mom. Then possibly a child with ellie also?? maybe they are half bro and sis.
because of time travel, desmond going back and forth in time, is it possible that his son charlie is charlie who died on the island??? i think its possible. maybe thats why he had the connection for knowing he was going to die…
hey totallylost, thanks for warning about the spoilers, overall the mention dont read if you dont want to know, its my case and i didnt read it. I appreciate it !
Adam,
Only if something happens to Penny and Des and Charlie gets adopted, because we have had all those scenes of Charlie as a child with his parents and older brother.
When he gets the Piano, and learns to swim. I think its unlikely to be the case, but it is possible, and at the least, its interesting.
I just think Des named his son after his friend Charlie that died in order to get them all saved. That would make sense
re adam post 136, that would be interesting indeed, since Lady Hawking grew old and richard remained the same. that is one of the reasons this character is so interesting !! looking forward to next week’s episode !
totallylost,
thank you also for posting your spoiler warning. Had you not put the warning up, I would have read them, but, like Karen, I didnt want to know, so i was able to avoid them.
good looking out!
Moohaha and Karen- I rarely post spoilers, but this time I wanted to be sure that I did not spoil the mystery for anyone, and especially with the end of the season so near. I always want to know what is coming in advance (as much as you can know), but that is just me.
This sucks that we have to wait another week for a new eposide, but maybe this week will help to answer some of the numerous outstanding questions.
i rather be surprised with the episodes and allthough its very tempting to read, it does as it name states it: spoils the surprise
so thanks!
come on writers, a Richard centric episode !!!!!!!
Can anyone suggest a reputable website where I can watch older episodes of LOST?
I found one a while back, but can’t seem to find it now. Every site I find seems to send me somewhere else, and my virus/spyware protection tells me not to go any further.
I am in Canada, and unfortunately can not access the free ones on ABC.com.
Thank you!
i had one but it was cancelled due to roaming… i suggest you rent the DVDs, sometimes its possible.
Moohaha, post 139 – i totally agree! no way charlie is desmond’s son, come on! how bizarre would that be???
I agree with Karen and Moohaha, spoilers tend to take the guessing out of it for me which is half the fun so thanks Totallylost for making it very clear when you were posting them. I would also like to add that if someone else is going to comment on the spoilers a warning like Totallylost’s would be great. I don’t think it has happened on this comment board yet but figured it worth mentioning.
canadianbeetle,
I’ve heard of a lot of people using http://www.alluc.org, I don’t personally use it but they seem to find it ok in general for tv show’s. I’ve always used torrent sites and downloaded the episodes.
canadianbeetle: check out your local library. I can rent Lost DVD sets at mine in the USA
canadian, here you’ll find all the episodes.
http://www.cucirca.com/category/lost/page/18/
Anything is possible with this show. I wouldn’t put it past Desmonds son being charlie from the island…..
I need richard alpert answers!!!!
RE JACK AND THE ARTIC BOAT
Hey guys – this is my first post so bear with me.
Something has been puzzling me for quite a while and I’ve had many arguments with fellow Lost fans about it.
At the end of Season 2, on the Artic boat that Penny had commisioned, is the guy who calls Penny , the guy with the beard, actually Jack? He is incredibly like him.
If so, when did this happen? is it before the O6 escaped the island (because if so, Jack was still on the island then and couldn’t be in two places at once) or is he an alternative Jack? just curious as i’ve been arguing abou this since 2006 and no one believes me!! any thoughts
i dont remember that?
MontyLoveslost- Ok– I just went back and looked at the last 5 minutes of Live Together, Die Alone. I have to say that he definately looks like Jack, at least around his mouth, but there is no way it is him. You can really see the difference when he calls Penny.
In any event, the time frame is all off as his call to Penny about their seeing the electromagnetic anomoly seemed to correspond with the time that the hatch imploded, and we know that Jack was on the docks with Sawyer Kate and Hurley, and the others at that time.
Well, that is my 2 cents!!
Monty,
that technician from the tracking station ,whose name was Mathias ,does looks like Jack, but he is in fact played by a different actor, called Len Cordova.
By the way, their portuguese is terrible. Definitely not Brazilian accent nor Portuguese, in fact its like a Russian speaking portuguese.
I don’t think that Mathias is Jack, he was played by a different character.
Maybe he is Jack’s brother, like Claire is his sister. Maybe Christian Sheppard was making babies all over the place, we know of the US and Austrila, why not have a portuguese son too (joking).
Adam,
I don’t think that little Charlie is the same one that died in the looking glass, although it is possible.
I did just notice that the symbol for the looking glass is a white rabbit with what looks to be a watch set to 8:15.
Just so i’m clear I don’t 100% believe that the charlies are the same I just thinks its certainly possible…..i mean they killed johm locke an now he is alive. We are also dealing with a lot of things in this show that are far out there…..so this wouldn’t surprise me is all im saying.
now we have to wait a week!!! this sux!
i dont remember mathias??? what episode???? what was the context of this phone call??
Adam,
The episode was the season finale of Season 2 and is called “Live together, Die alone”
After the discharge from the swan emploding there is a scene with 2 guys playing chess in some kind of monitoring station, Mathias is the one that phones Penny to let her know that they found something. Below is a link to the picture of Mathias on Lostpedia.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:2×23_TheyFoundIt.jpg
Jones- Where did you see the Looking Glass symbol with the White Rabbit?? Do you have a link? I don’t remember that.
That rabbit and the watch refer to Alice in wonderland. When she meets the rabbit he IS checking his watch.
8:15 …the numbers again.
The Looking Glass Logo
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Looking_Glass#Logo
Ok now I remember that scene. That is def not Jack.
thanks
So I watched the special lost episode that was on last night, and found something interesting that I had forgotten. remember when Jack and Kate and Sayid met up with Ben and Desmond to go met Ms Hawking in LA? well Ellie was talking about how the station they were in, used to be run by the Dharma, well she had a picture of the Jughead on the island and the date was marked 1954, so this only really proved that the Dharma knew of the jughead, so it is very possible that the swan station might of been built to keep the jughead from exploding by punching the numbers in, to possibly keep the electromagnetic field from comming in contact with the bomb. just a thought.
but the real question is , why did the Dharma have a picture of the island and this bomb in 1954? were they possibly there in 1954? Or did they know of someone whom was already on the island in 1954 and they gave them the picture?
And also I believe that all the people that Sayid killed for Ben , were the last ones left from the Dharma or the last ones who really knew anything about the island. Ben went back to make sure that everyone that could possibly know how to get to the island or even knew about it were eliminated , so there was no possible interference from the outside again. I mean all these guys he killed had a lot of money, I think they were like the founding fathers or something like that.
Biglostfan- It is a possibility that the people Sayid killed were original Dharma members. But, for some reason is seems that Ben is more threatened by Widmore than anyone else, and certainly not Dharma.
I think this for several reason. After the purge, what happened to Dharma?? They knew where the island was, and once they lost contact with Horrace et al, did they just say oh well and move on, or have they been trying to find the island too (even though the food drop in season 2 had no trouble getting there). If they were looking for it, they did a lousy job, because Penny was able to find it and so was Widmore (the freighter). So, it is almost as if Dharma gave up on the island after the purge, or possibly disbanded off island, and are therefore no longer a threat.
So, to me it seems like the real threat to Ben is Widmore. That is why I think that the people Sayid killed were associates of Widmore who are part of some multi-national conglomerate who were looking for the island to expolit it. If Ben knew this, by having Sayid kill them off (except Widmore who is probably his constant), he protects the island (and then is maybe a good guy??).
The only other thing I was reminded of last night is that when Ben landed in Tunisia after turning the wheel it was 10 months after Kate and the others left the island. Other than that it was a complete rip-off.
One more thing, and this is not a Lost question per se.
Where the hell are C.P.L. and Jason?? Have you guys just dropped off the face of the earth? On vaction?? Computer problems?? I was curious, as you 2 you have been MIA latley.
ok totally lost,
I agree that Ben thinks Widmore is more of a treat that the dharma, but what if widmore is the one who founded the dharma.it would make sense that widmore is the one who gave the dhama the picture of the jughead in 1954.
it just doesn’t make sense to me that widmore wants to exploit the island, when he was a part of the hostiles, ( which as we’ve seen, they seem to proctect it)
Biglostfan- Widmore as a founder of Dharma is a thought, but if so, why was he living with the hostiles and not living with Dharma? Unless he was undercover with the others to find out what their deal was.
WE NEED SOME ANSWSERS LOST WRITERS AND DIRECTORS-FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND, THIS TOTALLY SUCKS THAT WE GET ONLY 16 EPISODES INSTEAD OF 24, AND IN 4 WEEKS WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT ALMOST 8 MONTHS FOR THE NEXT SEASON TO START. THIS IS PISSING ME OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK– I feel better now. I am done!!!
I’m with you man! your name says it all!!!!
Eloise Hawking has been placed at the Dharma station “the Lamp Post”, and we are assuming that Eloise was the young girl “Ellie” in 1954. So she could have brought the picture back to the states with her.
Roni,
You could be right! I didn’t think about Ellie. It would actually make more sense if it was her, cause we really don’t know very much about her yet! Good call man!
maybe she had been working with the Dharma all along. we really don’t know how she even got to the island or when she left or how.
we need more anwsers!!
Roni- I agree with Biglostfan– Good call on Ellie. She is such a huge mystery, and I hope we get some backstory on her as well.
I dont know if you noticed, but the narrator of the O6 recap was Richard, Nestor Carbonel.
One thing the recap showed, it was indeed Widmore who staged the crash of 815. The previous episode made us question that.
Thinking about Sun going to the island and leaving her daughter, and having a child as i do, i would never do that and risk to make her an orphan….
And they didnt show us if Sun had any guilt issues for leaving her, like they showed us Kate’s.
Curious that Ben turned the wheel and went 10 months ahead in time, while Locke went 3 years.
As some of us already said, the day 815 crashed, its quite certain Ben knew it was gonna happen in that date.
Check how he looked at the sky before the plane showed up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MJ47VnVlxU
I didn’t know they were putting in a lost special on wednesday I thought it was just going to be a repeat of the previous week like they did last time there was a break……is the special episode online somewhere?? I’d like to check it out.
Spoiler Alert!!!!!
Spoiler alert!!! if you don’t wanna know don’t read this!!!
So I just read that it has been confirmned that Faraday is the son of Ellie Hawking and ……..(drumroll please)
Charles Widmore!!
Who guessed it, and also we will find out next week that Faraday comes clean with the Dharma and tries to get them off the island before the purge, and also he goes looking for Ellie with the others. AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
Adam,
I don’t know where you are from but if you are in the U.S. you are able to watch the episodes on abc.com. If not there were some sites mentioned above that usually carry them. I always download it using a torrent site.
It doesn’t give anything new that I could pick up on. it is basically just a recap of why people came back to the island. It does the same as the refresher episode that gets played just before the first episode of each season.
Does anyone else find it strange that they done a recap of why everyone came back to the island but still haven’t given is Hurley’s full story? I don’t like to say it but I think he may be a goner.
Adam, you can watch it here.
http://bycarlost.blogspot.com/
This other link is quite good, worth having a look. About Lost timeline, character connections, etc.Really interesting.
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=timeline
jonathan-So on the clip with the book club I have two questions one Ben knew the plane was coming did he enable the island to be seen? Is that why they had a tremor?
Also was he spying on Juliette is that how he knew he was out of the book club?
Richard7767- Didn’t the tremor happen because that was the day that Desmond followed and killed the guy he was in the hatch with (I forgot his name) and by the time he got back to the hatch the numbers were overdue??? They were not so overdue that he had to put int he fail-safe key, but the hatch speakers were saying warning, warning . . . So, that is what caused both the tremor and the plane crash.
That may also explain why Ben was looking up at the sky when the plane came past.
Jones- Good point about only Hurley not having a back story about getting back to the island, because we know he was in jail. But, since he came back with the guitar, I have to believe that we will get more from him before he is axed.
Totallylost, YOU ARE HALF RIGHT.
DESMOND DIDNT TURN THE FAILSAFE KEY WHEN THE PLANE CRASHED, HE MANAGED TO RESET THE COUNTDOWN . HE ONLY TOOK THE KEY FROM KEVIN’S DEAD NECK AND KEPT IT AN A BOOK. THE ELECTROMAGNETIC BUILDUP AFFECTED THE EQUIPMENTS OF THE PLANE AND MADE IT CRASH. THE GROUND SHAKING WAS DUE TO THIS MAGNETISM FORCE RELEASED.
SOME TIME AFTER THAT, WHEN LOCKE BROKE THE COMPUTER, THATS WHEN HE TURNED THE FAILSAFE KEY AND THE SKY BECAME PURPLE. IT HAPPENED AT THE SAME TIME THAT MICHAEL WAS LEAVING THE ISLAND WITH WALT, AFTER BETRAYNG JACK AND CO WHO WERE KNEELING DOWN IN A PIER.
SO, WHEN BEN LOOKED UP TO THE SKY, I GUESS HE KNEW WHAT WAS COMING. THOSE INSTRUCTIONS HE GAVE TO ETHAN AND GOODWIN, HE CERTAINLY DIDNT MADE THEM UP IN THAT SPLIT SECOND, HE PLANNED IT IN ADVANCE.
I HAVE A FEELING THIS SCENE IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT FOR THE SHOW SOMETIME. FIRST MEETING OF DESMOND AND JACK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPR6gGE4ssU
DESMOND ACTS LIKE HE KNOWS JACK ALREADY.
ITS STRANGE DESMOND SAYS HE HAD BEEN WAS ALMOST A DOCTOR..WE DIDNT SEE THAT.
THE MOST WEIRD LINE HE SAYS TO JACK IS
” YOU’VE GOT TO LIFT IT UP”.
IT WILL PROBABLY MEAN SOMETHING …
Thanks Jonathan- You are right that Desmond did turn the key, but the ket the first time the hatch did not implode. I guess my memory is going.
And, looking at it again, Ben was unusally composed when he saw the plane, and had no hesitation in sending Goodwin (to get him away from Juliette) and Ethan out. So, maybe he did know, at least about the crash, but I am no so sure that he remembered anything about the individual survivors, because if so, he would probably of had John, his apparent successor, killed right away.
Opps Jonathan- I meant above that Desmond did NOT turn the key and that the hatch did not implode. And, thanks for reminding me of Kevin’s name. I wonder if Sayid will see him before the season is over.
I have an out of the blue question as I was thinking about next week’s episode. Did Widmore ever know that Desmond crashed on the island in the boat race, and if so how?? Also, how did Penny know that Desmond was on the island, such that she had two people monitoring it for electromagnetic anaomolies? I thought she only knew that he was sailing around the world, but nothing more. I don’t think that was answered in the Constant.
For a brief second I was thinking that Penny, being English, might of met Daniel somewhere in London in the past (I don’t know which past though), and found out about Desmond, but that seems too outlandish. I also think that she would not have heard about it from daddy because he would want Penny to think Desmond was dead. So, how did she know??
Anyway, the mind is just spinning so thought I would ask.
Also, with the next episode being called the Variable which I guess could mean that things can change, could it be the follow up or counterpart to the Constant which means that things are fixed??
Last, could Richard Alpert be a good constant for someone since he appears to have always been around?? Maybe Jacob?
Mounty loves lost, post 151 – welcome to the forum !
i really dont think that it is jack in the arctic pole, why would he be speaking portuguese ?? i will rewatch that episode and confirm but it doesnt make sense. also, the hatch was destroyed and the arctic guys discovered the high magnetism waves parallel to the hatch incident so ok, i agree that time travel is one thing, but this happened at the same time.
with lost u never know you’d say, however i dont think that the arctic guys related with jack. Id had say daniel faraday would be a better shot…
ok after watching season 2 finale, i confirm that is not Jack. He does really look the same but why the hell would he be talking with a strong accent ?? there’s a ressemblance, but that’s that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0FEXJPxfDE&feature=related
aww looking at this episode i really miss Charlie! he was a great character, why was he killed off!!!!!!!!!
whooops! a bit late on my posts !! i just read all the other answers. well mine supports everyone’s responses
post 184 – that encounter was indeed bizarre but am not sure that Desmond knew anything about Jack and their future encounter. why wouldn’t he have enjoyed Penny more ????
also, someone posted a link to Lostpedia, i didnt know this website, excuse my ignorance – i find it totally GREAT !! thanks !!
Totallylost,
the variable is certainly the opposite of the constant, but the constant doesnt mean that things cant change. Its not whatever happened happened. The constant is a relevant person or object that the consciousness traveller can recognize in both times so he wont suffer the letal effects of shifting through this different times, like a brain aneurysm.
About Penny, i guess you are right, someone told her to look for a magnetic anomaly in some part of the ocean, cause thats what that tracking station with the brazilian guys was looking for.Maybe Faraday.
I dont know if Widmore knew the sailboat was gonna end up on the island. Remember that the boat Desmond used was from Libby’s deceased husband. And by the way, the boat should still be somewhere on the island, once Kevin was fixing it secretely from Desmond.
Speaking of Desmond, not very good news. NO SPOILER!!!
http://www.tmz.com/2009/04/24/lost-sexual-harassment/
Thanks Jonathan. I guess I was thnking of a constant in math terms (even though I almost flunked calculus in college) which is something that cannot change and a variable as something that can.
Maybe we will get a definitive answer as to how Penny knew about the anomoly, and my mind will be blown if it turns out to be Faraday
Also, the boat was taken by Ben’s people in the end of season 2 when Sun, Jin and Sayid tried to ambush the others when thehy figured out Michael was “compromised” but were fooled by him. So, yes it is there somewhere, but under the control of the others.
lol Desmond is so cute, i wouldn’t mind it
Neither would I Karen, although Sawyer is still first in my book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh yeah !! im totally with you there
I started thinking about what somebody said regarding the plane and ben looking inmediately at the sky (1 episode 3rd season (i think)). This is an indicator that Ben had already time travelled and had already lived the event.
In Season 2 you get more indicators that support the theory. How come the others knew the names of the people in the plane and everything about them?? how on earth knew who was Locke’s dad if he never talked about him? etc etc
Maybe the rencounter Desmond/Jack was not a coincidence. It was arranged for it to happen. Only thing that remains a huge coincidence is how come Semi’s plane from nigeria ended up in the exact same jungle his brother would come after ??? that goes beyond the others…
Karen,
Glad to hear you are finding the lostpedia site good. I’ve been looking at it for a while now and suggest trying the “Random Page” link on the left hand side. There are so many things to think about in this show that I find the random page link usually leads me down some path that I had totally forgotten about.
Totallylost, Re:post 187
Good call on the questions, I really don’t remember a reason why Penney would have been monitoring for magnetic anomalies. Very well could be someone like Des (I actually really like that possibility).
We will see, I am glad that we will have a new episode in a couple of days now.
hey thanks Jones ! i find it great that someone was smart enough to create a sort of Wikipedia based on Lost ! it feels really important
)
i think ben has lived his life a few times over. he probably goes back in time frequently. My guess is to stop the events that are going to happen. he has not yet been able to change anything but has fine tuned the hole thing, each time learning something he didn’t know the last time and trying to correct it. it could explain the multiple passports and his knowledge of basically everything. its a theory….who knows.
I guess you are on the right direction Adam.
We still need to know more about why Desmond is Faraday’s constant.
And what the hell is the variable? In definition, what is the opposite to the constant?
Is it a person? I dont think so, my guess is that it has to do with the numbers.
Its time they get some explanation on the show.
Totallylost, dont mind my question, are you a girl? I always tought of you as a man…
And i still think Faraday and Penny are brother and sister.
Jonathan- Yes, I am a girl, and, I don’t mind the question at all!!!
Also, I agree that Penny and Faraday are brother and sister, or at the minimum half brother and sister. We know nothing about Penny’s mom so far, but Widmore is definately the link between the 2. Maybe this is how Penny found out about the island- from Daniel.
Here’s a quick previre for the Variable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ihCGs8_Re0
Sorry here is the preview.
Here’s another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kogl4ieANSA&feature=related
Last one that I could find
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDbuBJs76KQ&feature=related
SICK!!!!
Thanks for finding these Richard. I’ve posted them here
http://www.lostreview.com/2009/04/the-variable-episode-100.cfm
where do you get that DAniel and Penny are brother and sister ?????
Daniel and Penny both have the same dad!!
how do you know that? ok i know, you are assuming that young Ellie and young Widmore had an adventure and they had kids. but where do you get this proof ?? nothing has been concretely said…. no? did i miss something huge?
and also, why would Widmore recruit his own son to go back to the island given the risks that that implied ?? he has always been very protective of Penny, shouldn’t it be the same for daniel ? well ok you will say maybe that’s because she’s a girl… but still
Totallylost,
in response to your post 186, about Kelvin and Sayid running into each other, just remember that Kelvin doesnt arrive on the island until sometime in the 90’s. Presumably after the first gilf war.
So fot him and Sayid to see each other at this point in time would be impossible, unless the island goes through another time shift to sometime in the mid 90’s, but who knows, it may happen.
I have thought about the potential to have Kelvin and Radzinsky beginning to run the hatch, but the timeframes seemed incompatible
guys, answers please !!! grrr
Karen,
it appears that by sending Daniel, he was something that Widmore and Hawking had to sacrifice. Maybe for the good of the island
ok i now get it: the answer was in the episode 100! sorry, i seemed stupid, i hadnt seen it nor read the spoilers.