Two sneak peek’s for Lost Season 5 episode 12 – Dead is Dead
Ben wake’s up and is back to his typical tricks. Saying he killed John because he knew the island would bring him back to life. John has a calm cool demeanor, and for once seems to not actually believe what Ben is yapping about.
Ben and Locke take a stroll through his old hood. Someone’s lurking in Alex’s old room. Who do you think it is??
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what if instead of turning the wheel, they go forward in time through the time machine, that, I believe Faraday is off making so that they can get back. I mean where has he been? He’s gotta be off somewhere trying to figure out how to get them back right? what else is the reason for Faraday to be there with them in that time?
I think this is the main reason behind building the time machine. I mean they even showed us Faraday back at Oxford tinkering with a time machine, ya know. it’s gotta mean something.
remember in this season’s premere we see Faraday down underground with the miners and Marvin Candle, did that scene mean anything, what was he doing there.
- That scene when Ben was evoking smokie and pulls that sort of toilet drain….that was so lame!!!! And then him speaking into the toilet : I’ll be outside….
There was so much expectation for some fans to see how the monster was summoned…it was disapointing as hell.
But i have to confess i never really liked this smokie monster issue.
Hey all,
sorry, i havent been around all weekend, but i just got on and got all caught up with all the posts.
So apparently there was the big speculation as to Wolowitz, Scoopie and my name. The whole Dr. Evil laugh theory is a good one, and that has been brough to my attention before, but the real reason is that when My parents bought a Dell about 10 years ago, it had come with this little cow that you could squeeze. So I thought it was awesome, I took it, put it in my car and named it Moohaha, just completely out of the blue. I even went so far as to make my email address Moohaha, but it was already taken, so I had to settle for Moohaha3. Strange, but thats the story of how i got that nickname for myself.
Not as complex a story as “Lost” but still, pretty complicated in its own right.
Mystery resolved. Thanks Moohaha. I wanted to speculate, but in case it was your last name I did not want to offend. Now we are just waiting for Scoppie.
Karen- C.P.L. told us a long time ago his name is Chris and he lives in Germany.
Biglostfan (no mysteries with that name!!!!)– that is an interesting theory about going forward in a time machine instead of by moving the wheel. I guess I always assumed that the only way to move through time was via the wheel. But, now that I think of it, there was that time machine in the Orchid that moved the bunny. So, yes, it is possible, but we will not know for sure until poor Faraday resurfaces. I still think he left the island via the sub (which Horrace offered all of them), but will be coming back soon. Maybe even this week because Marvin Candle/Halowax is in the episode.
Totallylost, I like your theory about the time machine being another way for them to get back and forth between time periods. I totally forgot about that “bunny” video. That actually validates any notion of time travel by means other than the wheel.
Someone had mentioned above Faradys time machine at Oxford, but I was hesitant to believe that could be a possibility because that last i remembered, it had never been successful on humans.
I also dont believe Faraday left the island via the sub. From the very last time we saw him, he appeared to look as if he was slowly sneaking away. My theory is that he is still on the island, perhaps encamped on his own like Rousseau, but most likely he is with the hostiles, but we will have to wait and see. Although I dont think its impossible for him to have left via the sub, i just wouldnt think it likely. I assumed he wouldve stayed around longer to answer some of his questions about the island.
Someonel else above, I think Adam, mentioned that if this coming episode is a miles episode, he could very well be moving up the death list. I agree its possible, however I dont think Miles will die this season. I think it will be Juliette in some dramatic fashion.
Think about this, we still havent had a Juliette episode this season. And given the formula of past seasons (IE, season 3 w/ Charlie) when a characters centric episode is aired, that is likely the episode they will die in. (exceptions to this rule of course are Charlotte, Libby, Michael, etc) But it has happened before on many occasions.
So given that there are about 4-5 more episodes this season, Im assuming one is about Miles, one about Juliette, one more about no one in particular, one about Hurley, and one more maybe about jack or Locke. And I think the last three on the list are safe…for this season at least.
Mark my words, Sayid will be around until season 6.
Also, as far as my whole “Juliette dying theory”, i think, as far as dramatic effect goes, that its possible something will happen and Jack will be involved somehow in Juliettes death. Maybe he does it by accident, he fails to act which results in her death, or maybe even he just flat out cant save her, and this causes Sawyer to lose his shit.
That would set up season 6 for some sort of Jack-Sawyer personal showdown. I dont have any narrative reasons for suggesting this, but given that this is Lost, and anything can happen, and I believe Juliette is toast soon, this sounds like it could be a possibility.
Anybody agree/disagree?
Even tough i didnt like Ceaser, i dont really think he is dead. Just a feeling, against all odds.
Moohaha- Great thought on Juliette dying at Jack’s hand and it causing a jack sawyer rift which already exists. Maybe she dies as part of the incident, especially as we know that the last 2 episodes are called The Incident Part 1 and The Incident Part 2.
Jonathan, post 102 – agreed ! i was also disappointed by the judgement, i thought it would be much, MUCH more intense than that. it started allright but it lasted like 1 minute and what’s the deal with Alex coming back to give him orders, we saw more of alex than of the monster.
the monster’s been THE big mystery in lost and i hope that we will get to see more of it.
Moohaha, juliette’s death would be a good one to settle revenge between both leaders, current one being Sayid and former one being Jack. Also having Juliette in common, both.
So far the most unexpected and awful death has been alex’s. the most shocking one has been of course locke, but now he’s resuscitated so that’s fine.
cant wait to see next episode! anyone knows what HOTH is ??
Moohaha- I have to say I disagree on the theory I don’t see Juliette dying off just yet, I can see a showdown between Sawyer and Jack, maybe one that involves the time machine.
In my scenario Jack would want everyone to get in the time machine and Sawyer would want everyone to stay there. Sawyer cries that they know the purge is coming and they could stop it and Jack would say you can’t change it save yourself.
The ones that follow Jack would be transported to the present and sawyer and maybe Juliette would stay behind and later Jack or Locke would go to the pit to finally bury the ones killed in the purge and find Lefluer and Juliette’s Dharma clothes and realize they are dead.
Karen, check post 90-some like it hoth.
Planet Hoth.
I listed some major mysteries unsolved , among dozens of others, and if you know the answer to any of them, please tell me. Some of them we may get answers this season:
1 – why Richard is the only one who doesnt age?
2 – what is Jacob?
3 – what was the incident?
4 – how Black Rock got to the island?
5 – where are Alvar Hanso and the The Groots?
6 – where is Claire?
7 – what exactly is Christian?
8 – who build the statue?how it was destroyed?
9 – why the donkey wheel was frozen?
10 – what exactly is smokie?why all those hyerogliphs on the temple?
11 – whats the use of the numbers?(explained on lost experience but not on the show)
12 – what’s Jacob’s list?
13 – what about jughead?
14 – How Charles Widmore got so rich off the island?
15 – what exactly caused the pregnancy problems?
16 – how Locke is ”alive”?
17 – how did the hostiles get to the island?
18 – why Sun went to 2007?
19 – how Richard got off the island to see Locke’s birth? I guess that was no submarine in 1956.
Richard, while I dont agree with your theory either, it definitley is interesting. The part about them finding sawyer and Juliette dead in the ditch is pretty clever.
Jonathan, I dont think any of us actually KNOW the answers to any of those questions. While Im sure we all have our theories, I would think only the shows producers and creators actually know those answers, and some of them are probably just as in the dark as the fans are.
But in reposnse to question 19, about Richard getting off the island, I had just assumed since that episode where we saw Locke’s birth that Richard had taken the sub, but maybe he came by some other means. Im not sure.
And for #6, I know, where the fuck is Claire?
Moohaha and Jonathan I believe that Claire should be in the next episode or so I read in a post she was listed as a returning member.
For your answer on number 15 I posted my theory that the only ones we have seen give birth is the Dharma people, there have been no others that have gave birth. maybe they couldn’t have ever.
Wouldn’t it be something if the others are the Black Rock’s crew. They found themselves on this island and they couldn’t age, maybe they stole the treasure underneath the statue, the island found them took back the treasure and stranded them to remain forever, they can’t age or be killed for taking the treasure. Widmore found the treasure and took it to the mainland Ben discovered this after Widmore was banished and was trying to get the treasure back……. just a thought.
OK Jonathan. I never thought about no. 19 of how Richard was able to be off the island to be at John’s birth in the 50′s, which appears to be pre-dharma.
One more question to add. Wht does Richrad were eyeliner??
Wow- Bad typing and spelling. My question is, why does Richard wear eyeliner???
Maybe he was Alice Cooper’s band in the 70′s they all got tanked on the island they left him there to sleep it off the island moved and they never found him. Alice got scared he would get in trouble so he never told anyone and there you go.
Hey guys, i´m glad to be back because my laptop didn´t work anymore, but now everything is ok again….i hope for ever!
I only wanted to resolve the “mysterie” about my nickname…..it´s only each the first letter of my hole name, Cris is my first name and i´m living in austria(not germany)….how totallylost mentioned it nearly right some days ago…thanks man!
i will be back after the next episode….see ya all
Jonathan, great list of mysteries to be solved !
totallylost you make me laugh ! Richard and his eyeliner, hahahaa !!
Regarding Richard, we can assume he is :
- immortal;
- dead;
- if dead,he is ressurected, or something like Christian and the new Locke.
As for Christian, i guess his death wasnt very well explained so far. I remember Jack went to look for him in Australia and he’d left his hotel without his wallet and later was found dead, the police said he drank himself to death, but they didnt show us. What if his dead happened for the sake of the island, like Locke’s, in order to get Jack on that oceanic 815 flight?
what if Richards and Crew are cursed, like pirates of the carribean.
ya know Barbossa and his crew couldn’t die because their immorality was linked to the gold coins.
maybe the same is with the others, perhaps Richard7769 is right in saying that the others are a part of the black rock crew and they stole something (like the gold coins) and now they are cursed to live on this island FOREVER!!
Oh and does anyone know if these guys are going to be at comic-con this year?
adam…Jason references to Jason….(nothing spectacular)
hey guys also there is a Hoth in Norse mythology as well as the Star Wars planet that was created from fire and ice.
Hoth was also called Hoor(with some symbols above the OO’s)
it is said he is the brother of Baldr, and tricked by Loki into shooting his own brother with a mistletoe missile (whatever that is) , because Hoth himself was blind and required help.
Thor and the hammer was also included in this mythology.
I haven’t found any corralations with this, but I thought it was interesting reguardless.
Johnathan (and everyone else) –
Here is a link to the Lostpedia page about LOST’s biggest mysteries. It lists which ones we have answers to, and which are still unsolved at this point.
Keep in mind that the site is fan edited, so things may not be as accurate as if the answer was provided by the creators of the show. But kind of a quick refresher course!
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Mysterious
Thank you biglostfan for at least considering my theory, also I was told that they would have a presence at comic-con.
Hey Richard7769- Thanks for the laugh about Alice Cooper. I hope I don’t date myself by knowing who he is!!!! Dee Snyder also wore a lot of make up (as did Kiss), but not as much eyeliner as Richard!!!
By the way, my favorite scene from this episode: When Ben says that he has no control over what is about to come out of the jungle, and John comes out o the jungle!!!! How fitting was that as Ben further sees his control over John completely slipping away.
Did anyone notice that on the preview for next week’s episode that when they show Jack there is a chalk board in the background. Seems to be some teachings on the Egyptians and a sort of timeline.
About the drain to summon the smoke monster, although I was disappointed with that scene it was classic lost. Think about how when the island moved all there was, was a bright light then a ripple in the water, not to mention that they had to turn a frozen donkey wheel to move it. I sort of see the drain just as a sign that the monster dates back to a time before we had an abundance of technology, (could also link to the scene where Ben and Locke first visit the cabin and Ben tells Locke to turn off the flash light because Jacob doesn’t like technology.)
I’ve always thought that Alpert looks like a pirate lol, maybe this black rock theory could be on to something.
By the way I would like to comment more but all my time on this site is spent reading everyone else’s comments (meant as a complement not as a complaint). I find it so interesting that people from all over the world watch the show and find it as intriguing as myself.
Lost tonight and the National Hockey League playoffs start tonight woo hoo.
About Widmore frequently leaving the island like Ben said, how did he do that?
By submarine?
The submarine belonged to Dharma iniciative, wich estabilished there in the 70′s.
Widmore was a hostile, and they only took over the dharma facilities in 1992, with the purge.
He was leaving the island way before that(Penny should be around 30 years old).
So, how did he use the submarine in the 70′s or 80′s?
Did he have some sort of agreement with dharma?The truice would allow him to use the sub?
Or he used something else to get off the island?
Jonathan- great post there had to be a way to get off the island because Richard witness Locke being born, I believe the donkey wheel belonged to the black rock and the group figured a way to go between their island and the main land.
I hope that this is going to be the way the past losties get to the future. It could have something to do with the well and that’s how it was discovered by the Dharma peeps.
Jonathan, I agree how did widmore leave the island so frequently ( as Ben said) without using the SUb.
remember the scene with Ben standing in front of widmore and telling him he shouldn’t of kept leaving the island and widmore’s hands were bound behind his back?
well behind them you see a sub that they are about to put widmore on. Am I crazy or did I imagine this sub? if so then that explains how they got off the island all the time, but doesn’t explain why the dharma was letting them use their sub. or perhaps the sub, the hostiles were using,was their own and they aquired it somehow, maybe from the military gang that was there in the 50′s ( ya know the one’s who left the jughead).
Just FYI – Scoppie is my surname, nothing more, nothing less.
(And I STILL think that whoever returns to the present from 1977 will NOT do so via donkey-wheel time travel, but by becoming immortals like Richard Alpert and hiding in the temple until John finds them)
that is an interesting question about the sub and Widmore leaving the island prior to the purge.
Perhaps he knew of a way to navigate back and forth by using the stars, similar to sailors back in say…. the days of the Black Rock.
Based on how Desmond got to the island, as well as the freighter, we do know it is possible to get to the island other than via plane crash, and submarine. So perhaps Widmore was a skilled sailor and knew how to navigate.
Keep in mind that post-island, Widmore sponsored that annual sailboat race around the world. Most likely to have any of the sailors aid in him in re-discovering the islands location/coordinates.
I think if he were taking any lengthy little escapades to the main land, that the others would notice the submarine missing. So thats why I think he had some sort of boat capable of making the trips in secret. That or he was just going on trips with other people in the sub, and then taking his leave and having a baby with someone.
Its just another mystery of this show.
here’s another thought remember Jughead, so I would guess that Widmore had to be in the military and maybe they stumbled on the island or he could have been a pilot and that’s how he and the bomb got there.
They could have used the plane to go back and forth like Lapidus did with the bearing thing, just a thought.
biglostfan, There was a sub in the background. It had yellow marking on it, looked to be similar to the one of the 8 line patterns that are on the outside of the drama symbol, the guards also had a similar symbol.
Not sure how Widmore kept leaving the island but I do know they seemed to have an awful lot of security to bring him off. Two armed guards with some kind of vest (possibly bullet proof).
Richard7769,
Widmore could have been in the military and came with jughead but I doubt it. Alpert said that leaders are generally chosen at a very young age, also at the point of Jughead he and Ellie seemed to be pretty important, makes it seem like he was on the island a while before that point.
Jorge Garcia(Hurley) in Jimmy kimmel show last night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XesNMTQdXlw
So Jones,
if the sub looked like it belonged to the Dharma people than that’s what we can assume at this point.
So the others were using the Dharma’s sub?
So does that mean that maybe the hostiles and the dharma were connected at one time or had simular interests. Maybe at one point they were one in the same, and something happened . maybe Widmore was secretly visting with the dharma folks and possibly friendly with some of them.
do we know excatly when the dharma group arrived on the island?
I’m starting to see that widmore just might be tied to the Dharma as well as the hostiles.
hey Scott or anyone else, do you have any link to this week’s episode? me only gets to see it tomorrow. thanks !
Jones- Good point but Locke was older when chosen, also, I think Biglostfan may have a point, we didn’t see Widmore when young Ben was brought to Richard Albert but saw him later, he could be a part of Dharma.
Richard7769,
I don’t know about Locke being older when he was chosen, Alpert was there when he was born, tested him at a young age (remember he had to choose 3 items that were already his) then again as a teenager he was recuited to go to camp (i.e. the island) but he refused to go.
biglostfan,
At the point were Widmore is banished seems to be after the purge (i.e. the hostiles already killed off the DI and would have had control of their sub) so I am not sure if that tell us much about there relationship. I have always thought that Widmore is connected/funding the DI but I really don’t have much to base it on.
Could another possibility of were Widmore was when Alpert brought ben to the temple be that he was off the island?? As biglostfan said above I also think that Widmore had ties to both the hostles and DI. On the dock when Widmore is getting banished Ben says something about using the island for selfish reasons (please correct me there if I am wrong), maybe he is hinting at this relationship and that the DI are exploting the island.
Biglostfan,
dharma arrived on the island in the early seventies.
Widmore was banned around 1993.
Karen,
in this site there is always a link to watch it live, just roll down the page you’ll find it.
Karen, here it is:
http://bycarlost.blogspot.com/2009/04/lost-5×13-some-like-it-hoth-online-en.html
Richard doesn’t wear eye liner….its a running joke from when the writers saw his head shots they said he has to cool it with the eyeliner. but the joke is that he doesnt wear it and his eyes are naturally like that. there was an interview with the writers/producers where this was confirmed. pretty funny.
jason – i figured that was the name reference. just busting balls.
richard was able to be back and watch locke being born because when locke met richard earlier this season in 1950 something he told richard that he was born in 3 years and if richard doesn’t believe him to go to his birth and then locke gave him the date. that is the reason richard was at lockes birth. i think we learned that in an earlier episode this year when the time traveling/flashes were still happening
jonathan -
is that evangeline lilly on that website…..she looks real f-ing hot there….damn.
this weeks episode looks pretty f-ing good.
Adam, yes it was her.
About Richard, we know why did he go to see Locke, but we were questioning how he did it in 1956, i mean, by boat, time travel, navy freighter,submarine….
This episode is suposed to be a funny one.
hellow everybody !! sorry if my english is bad but im from Panama…
is interesting to hear everyones opinion…
what i can’t understand is how richard (i think thats his name, i always forget names) doesnt get old !???
any idea or comments?
Jeanette- we have been debating the richard issue from practically the fist time we saw him, and we still do not have an answer, despite the numerous theories. We hope to find out why (and why he wears eyeliner) in the Season 6.
solid episode.
haha, richard and his eyeliner! that’s so funny! Im thinking that maybe richard doesn’t grow old because he was the first one in the island or because he got in touch with the magnetism of the island and he just got this virtue. i wonder how old he really is.A Richard centric episode is all im waiting for !! well, that’s probably not entirely true
hey adam what is with all the f-ing ? lol