Whatever Happened, Happened
Juliet and Kate work to save young Ben, but she needs Jack to do the operation successfully. A familiar situation as she was the one who was operating on Ben’s spine.
Hurley and Miles discuss the reality of Back to the Future. Miles confirms that Ben can’t die and that “Whatever Happened, Happened”.
Sawyer informs Jack that he has to do the surgery to save Ben. Jack says NO.
So what do you think? Jack will or wont do the surgery? Ben will or wont die?
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I think Jack will end up doing the surgery. Jack is a good guy and ultimately he will do the right thing. Jack needs to be the leader and the hero, it’s where he is at his best. It will also loop around and be why Ben wants Jack to do his surgery later. Ben could have gotten any surgeon to the island to have his surgery done. But he wanted Jack. And he wanted Jack because Ben remembers Jack having done his first surgery in ’77.
Scott, i´m sorry i posted those sneak peeks before you did. I’ll leave it to you from now on. As you were not here in the last episodes, i just posted without thinking.
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C.P.L ,what i read is that young Jacob will meet Sawyer in his daddy’s funeral , in a flashback.
Roni good post on the Jack is my surgeon thing.
I think Hurley could be on the way out. What good is he? I think his story has played out don’t you?
If he sees dead people Miles can talk to them, what else should he do…. I don’t know it’s driving me crazy.
Hurley on his way out? What are you saying? Hurley is what is fun and innocent and pure about the show. No, I think Hurley is going to play a big part in the final season. I could see it being Sayid that might die. I would hate that. I don’t want any of the originals to not be in the final season. But I think Hurley is safe for awhile. Of course once Season 6 starts I think it’s going to be a blood bath and they are going to start killing off everyone. I hope I’m wrong, but that’s what I’m afraid of.
jonathan…thank you; i have to know such spoiler things, i think you can understand that!! Looks like an end episode with or about Jacob, would be very kind from the writters, after this long torture!
Roni, maybe it will be sayid, it makes the most sense but we’ll wait and see.
I hope it won’t be a blood bath I also hope it goes back to the old format with the flash backs and flash forwards I liked that.
i can’t wait for tomorrow.
Roni…Good Post!
I agree too Hurley on his way out???? Cant see it.. Not only does he bring the humor his perspective often is one that many of us would make…he will ask….why heck is this happening this way or that way…or he will comment on the obsurd.
Right on Roni about Jack. I think you’ve got it. If it is true that Ben remembers, how come Jack does not??
Funny hearing Miles calling Hurley names like Sawyer!!!!
I hope this episode will answer more questions as we are getting near the season end. The thought of waiting until January next year to begin the last season just gives me the shakes.
KLA
I take it back…could be Hurley…or Sayid.
I don’t think jack remembers because he hasn’t done it yet, Ben remembers because he has lived through it already. Remember Jack is living his life right now even though it’s 1977, Ben is a kid that has already lived through this trauma.
Love the sneak peaks, think it is going to be a great episode, although I usually tend to dislike the Kate centric episodes.
As for people remembering stuff that happened in the past and stuff. I think that it depends on the biological age not the time line you are in. In other words ben was always shot by Sayid in 77, biologically ben was young hence as he progressed through his life he always knew that he was shot. Sayid on the other hand, his was at his older biological age in 77 and therefore he did not know before this point that he was going to shot ben.
Hard to explain but I think that is what the episode tonight is going to elude to, Miles says something of the similar nature in one of the sneak peaks. Whatever happened happened, if anything is to change I think Desmond will be the key, as Faraday said in a previous episode, for some yet unknown reason somehow the “rules” don’t apply to him. (My guess is that it maybe because he turned the failsafe key in the Swan).
Hey all,
I just got back from vacation as well, so I havent been on the site in a week or so. Look what happens when Im gone, Sayid starts shooting people!!!
Ive been reading peoples comments to try and get caught up.
Pretty interesting stuff.
The main thing that I agree with is that this season does seem to be all over the place. (the first few episodes feel like a different season) And that they arent having the characters share enough information with one another. Probably because they dont have enough time. They are trying to get so much information across to the audience, that they are neglecting the characters ability ti convey the same information.
WOW! Did anybody see what Doc Jensen over at EW said about this twisted theory?
it states that young Ben could be in a coma and (years from now) when Jack and Sayid find Henry Gale in Roussous net, its not Ben this time that they find……
It’s Locke.
Crazy, I hope Ben is Done, He’s a douche!
I’m telling you guys, MARK MY WORDS!,, you can’t change the future but you can change HOW the future happens.
I haven’t read anything posted here, I hate spoilers !
It’s just another thought:
Remember in the first season when the names of jack, said, kate, hurley and john were all on a list ? Ben gave Ethan and the other guy (I don’t remember his name, the one who tried to kill Ana Lucia) that list and they began searching for them. I remember also another incident when they were talking about someone and they said that his/her name wasn’t on the list.
I think that due to the actions the losties did in the past, Ben knew wat was going to happen. So, he searched for them immediately after the plane crash.
Ben won’t die. Nothing is going to change the future. We’re just going to understand why all the things we saw in the previous seasons occured.
I think it’s funny that Hurley mentions Back to the Future. I’ve often thought that LOST was just a high-tech and futuristic version of the “Back to the Future” story.
Very similar to the movie, when they went back to the island there was an alternate reality created. Everything that is happening now is in the alternate reality. If this philosophy were correct, I could see Sun being used to go back in time to the point where reality skewed and try to fix it, thus, placing our losties back in the real time line.
It makes perfect sense. We’re watching Back to the Future.
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Roni…Very good post!!
and biglostfan…I think you are absolutely right about they can change how the future happens.
Or tomorrow morning.
http://www.cucirca.com/2009/03/31/lost-season-5-episode-11-whatever-happened-happened/
Thank you for the link! jonathan!!..I am watching all the commercials right now and waiting for lost to come. I hope my boss coming to work late today….555555
ohh…it’s in Spanish..555
So correct me if I’m wrong and sorry if this has already been stated but…
The past can be altered. Faraday changed the past by talking with Desmond when he was still in the Swan…
Lilymami, i’m sorry, didnt know it was in spanish…the other link is definetely in english..tomorrow morning.
not bad….good set up for next week….
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I just watched the episode, the end was worth the wait. I thought the story with Jack was lame and it finally picked up speed with Sawyer, Kate and Ben.
I thought it was interesting that they thought they should ask Charles if they needed to save Ben, maybe he was in charge. Get it Charles in Charge…….sorry.
The line that he would forget everything and his innocence would be lost I thought was very interesting, the scene from next week looked interesting too.
Kind of obvious that Kate was going to give Aaron to the grandmother though, but good for the kid.
I don’t think it was the best episode but the line with Locke to Ben “welcome back to the land of the living ” and then the infamous smile was priceless.
it’s OK..jonathan,..btw they did pretty good dubbing for Sawyer..pretty similiar voice.
Ok. So I was off base on my theory. It was a good wrap up of Kate’s story. Jack was so very frustrating; he wouldn’t do what I wanted him to. But at the same time he was the most clear about who this little boy becomes. This was BEN they were asking him to save.
Some thoughts about the episode:
Richard took Ben to that temple where Rosseau’s crew was attacked by Smokie.
So he will probably take Ben to Smokie…wich will make him loose his innocence and forget it all…maybe like he did to Robert, who was changed after facing the monster.
Widmore seems to be indeed in charge of the hostiles, along with Ellie(Ms. Hawking).
Why was the dharma doctor in the Looking Glass?
So now we know why everybody had to get back to the island except for Hurley, which Im sure we’ll learn soon.
Jack – beacause he was “supposed to”, but doesnt yet know his purpose. (He is finally listening to Locke)
Kate – to find Claire, so she can reunite her with Aaron
Ben – “to be Judged”
Sayid – he didnt really have a choice
Sun – to find Jin
Hurley – Unknown
Frank – didnt have a choice either (fate)
Do you all think that sounds about accurate ?
Charlie came back to Hurley to tell him he needed to go back to help the ones they left behind. Not really sure exactly how he’s suppose to help but he definitely is going to play a big part in it all, I think. He’s basically had no real reason of being in the show other than to serve as Sawyers verbal punching bag.
Just watched this episode…..very interesting and very good although it was a kate centric one(sorry fans). We got a lot of answers, that´s how it should be always!! And the trailer for next weeks episode, WOW, i see answers, answers and again anwers, yeah!
I understand now that every Lostie is/will be introduced in the islands 70´ past! Each lostie has his purpose in this time, they had to come back to the island because THEY are part of this time´s island past (so it was and will be again), like Miles said! Best example was Kate, when she took young Ben and gave it to Richard, he said Ben won´t remember anything and that´s how he became the monster he is now! But my point is Kate brought him there because Jack wouldn´t help and so he survived and remembered nothing (even NOT Sayid, Like Hurley & Miles were talking about). Sayid shot Ben, Kate helped Ben – because of that Ben became an other for always, WHATEVER there is and do to people in that Temple, we´ll see it at least in the next episode, i hope!!!!
Everything becomes clearer now, i like that! …but there are many many questions to be answered too…
Hurley has certainly had a purpose for being on the show. He helps explain things on the viewers level, and asks questions that we all are wondering. He’s essentially our voice on the show. Without Hurley and Miles’ discussion, a lot of people would still be in the dark about the whole time travel stuff.
Other than that, on the Island, he provided some insight on the numbers and even ran over some of the bad guys when they were stuck in a stand off! As for what “The Island”‘s purpose is for him, we’re not really sure yet, but I suspect he’s going to play a pretty big role and not be killed anytime soon, unless it’s a death like Charlie’s (which since he was carrying Charlie’s guitar when returning to the Island, it could be a sign…).
Hey i am mistaken or…..when young Ben was shot and Jin woke up and turned him upside – the wound wasn´t next to his heart (like we saw it when Sayid shot targeted on him), it was more on the other side of his chest or even down at his stomach!?!? ..i know it´s not important it´s just something i cuahgt up at the beginning of this episode..
Ohh…and Claire is alive!! Not only because Kate thinks to know that, more because she probably went into the Temple with C.Shephard, and now we know when your going down there you “forget” everything you knew before, and from then on you are an “Other”! Whyever and However that works..
I got chills when locke gave that awesome smirk to Ben. I can;t wait to see what’s in store for ben as well as post-death Locke.
/ but he’s still my fave character along with desmond, which i have a feeling will be showing up very soon.
I miss the old Locke
anyone notice on next weeks promo ben holding a gun to someone on a pier?? could that be desmond/penny??
He said he was going to be judged b/c he “broke the rules”. Charles “broke the rules” b/c he had Alex killed. Did Ben “break the rules” by killing Penny????
good episode…
i thought the real good stuff came when hurley was talking to miles.
they didn’t seem to realize but it told us as the audience that ben remembers sayid shooting him and set the whole thing up to happen again. i thought that was interesting.
I loved that jack said he is not saving ben and he told kate he knows she doesn’t like/love him. he has such a better understanding of things now. he doesnt know what he’s there for yet but he knows he’s suppose to be…
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i noticed the same thing about the gun shot
So did anyone else notice that Richard came out from nowhere. He told Sawyer not to worry about that, that was crazy.
I wonder if the Temple contains like a fountain of youth ( or like that thing in the temple in Stargate that brought Daniel back to life ) and maybe the others are there to protect it.
actually the more I think about it Lost is alot like Stargate the movie. the leader was named Jack the scientist was named Daniel and the temple belonged to RA the sun god.
Adam , when Richard said that Ben ”wouldnt remember any of this” was he talking about the healing process or about all his memories, like knowing the losties and getting shot?
I understood he would loose all his memories,but not sure…
Another thing that strucked me is the fact that anyone in dharma questioned how a garage mechanic(Juliet) was operating Ben!
And how did she know the hostiles could take care of him?
Also, how did Miles know about the Wheel turned by Ben?
Could Ben’s loss of memory explain why he says at one point that he was born on the island, but all of us saw him be born to his mother in Seattle? His “rebirth” at the temple is the only thing he now knows.
Not that is really revelant but did anybody also noticed that Richard is showing some scrubbiness, could this be the point when he starts to let go of his sharp looks and becomes all scrubby? Also Richard met Ben once when he looked all scrubby, what happened to the Losties when this meeting happened? If Ben can’t remember the Losties in the future then the Losties must have gone somewhere once Ben was back in the DI camp healthy again.
I meant relevant btw…:)
Roni,
that could very well be the reason why he said he was born on the island, because he doesn’t remember anything prior to the temple.
I’m curious to see what’s inside that temple.
and if Richard doesn’t report to Charles or Ellie, than who? Jacob? and does Charles and Ellie know of him. if I remember correctly when Locke first mentioned Jacob (in 1954) didn’t Charles seem a little agitated? I wonder who is the true leader.
What is going on , I want more anwsers!!!
After watching last nights episode again it made me wonder if Sayid shooting young Ben and Sun clocking Old Ben with the oar happened at the same time. I know it was dark when both of these things happened, and it wasn’t long after the second plane landed.
Just to clarify, I meant same time of day. One happening in ’77 and the other in ’07, but that perhaps their time of day matches up.
good episode! it answered some questions related about the time! i really like this miles character more and more.
Great to get clarification on what happened to Aaron!
hey Roni, that’s good thinking! its interesting, however dont see how and in what relevant with the story line…
Possibly the best Kate episode ever (not that that’s hard!), although we never really found out why she never wanted Jack to ask her what she’s done with Aaron. OK, so she was upset, but couldn’t she just say “I gave him to his Grandmother like I should have done as soon as I got back”? Whatever.
Some people were asking “Why is Hurley even there?” Well, here’s an angle…
Obviously, yes, he’s the “voice of the audience” as was suggested before, and of course he provides plentiful comic relief… but I’m willing to bet that he will be absolutely central to the upcoming “incident” – him and The Numbers. The Swan is still being built where he is now, which means that the numbers haven’t even been used yet. But wouldn’t it just be like LOST to make Hurley himself the source of the numbers, the one who uses them in the first place to either cause, or perhaps stop, the incident in the Swan station…?
There are strange things happenings..indeed, the wound in Ben changed spots..When Sayid shot him, was in the heart, when Jin found him, was in the other side, when Sawyer and Kate pulled him out of the car, it was lower down..
Also, that scene in the marina, when Ben gathered all of them to try to bring’em to the island..they showed it three times already on the show..each one of them with slight changes of the characters lines…
I agree Hurleys there for comic relief and the voice of the audience, but I meant his real contribution to the story line hasnt evolved very much when I said he hasnt had much reason for being there so far.
I’m looking forward to him meeting Radzinsky. He was looking for him to try and figure out the meaning behind the numbers early on.
So I agree, I think Hurley will be huge in the upcoming episodes with the swan being built by Radzinsky himself.
Roni,
I like youre theory on Ben’s “rebirth”. I think its dead on.
Also, its strange to see Jack behaving differently, but its also comforting to see that he is not behaving like a total control freak. Interesting alteration in his character
Does anyone else think that the person dieing could be Jack?
They are setting it up the same as when they got michael back to the island… as a janitor “who the island called back” , “who was there for a purpose”… same words Jack is using.
Does this mean Jack will die when his purpose is fulfilled.
Everyone has said everything I have wanted to say…so I agree with the Hurley bit, the sutleties of explaining to us the viewer about the time result effects, looking forward to next weeks episode, Jack and his now humble submisive role(though I keep anticipating him to bust out but this may never happen not sure if I’m ok with that but oh well), the exchange between Lock and Ben…how about the look on Ben’s face?!
I still think Ben’s intentions were good….selfish but good.
Biglostfan and Moohaha, Jack wont die! He is still the main character of the series. There are many misteries sorrounding him and his family tree.
He is laying low for a while, on purpose i guess .
He is the only one who realized that whatever he does wont make that much of a difference, so he doesnt need to be doing something or making decisions how he used to be, cause what has to happen will happen anyway.Even his denial to act will lead to the result set by fate, like his refusal to operate Ben lead Ben to be taken to Richard and become one of the others.
I didnt quite understand why Miles asked Hurley to shoot him. He was trying to make a point that he could die. It would fit if he couldnt die, but as he could die, i didnt get the point…any guess?
Ironic that Jack created the monster that is Ben by not saving his life thus Ben being saved by the others and losing his innocence. Although I call Ben a monster I have stated before that I think he is one of the good guys, just that he is the cold/ruthless character than is needed, perhaps by Jacob as Ben can get things done i.e. the purge when other people may have too much of a heart to even think of the idea.
As others had said we seem to be losing airtime to repeats of old scenes in these new episodes. They were struggling for time as it was to answer all the questions without repeating senses over and over again.
Who/what is Jacob?
Why does Richard never age?
How does the Hydra Station island produce the tastiest Mango’s Locke has ever eaten?
Wolowitz,
You said exactly what I was thinking on Jack inaction creating the cold ruthless Ben we know in the future.
I liked the episode but I would rather have seen a full episode of Hurley and Miles talking. As Adam said a few posts back they gave us a lot of information right there. Although I don’t think that Ben remembers that Sayid shot him, as Jonathan said a few posts after yours, I think that Ben will now forget that Sayid shot him and that he wasn’t born on the island.
Jason,
According to next weeks preview, as for if Ben is good or bad it seems like we will find out what the island/monster thinks of Ben soon enough. I did have a thougth though that Ben will now follow the rules of the island, like its servant, unable to make any choices against those rules. (i.e. rather then being influenced by human emotion and conscience, he is ruled by the rules of the island)
The Hurley/Miles discussions were brilliant, showing the wry self-awareness and fun-poking that has always kept Lost from going up-its-own-ass.
Did everyone notice how Miles grew concerned as Hurley picked holes in the “Whatever Happened Happened” theory of time travel? I reckon Faraday has gone to some lengths to re-assure Miles that people’s pasts cannot be changed, for the simple reason that Miles exists as a baby on the island (it’s assumed) and, well, wouldn’t that freak you out?
By the way, is Miles’ ability to communicate with the dead EVER going to be used in a meaningful way?
Guys, about Ben remembering stuff,
in season 3-the man behind the curtain – Ben admits to Locke that some of the things he has said on the Island were “not the truth.”
After they went to Jacob’s cabin and on the way to show him the mass grave of dharma people, Ben admits not to have been born on the Island like he said.
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I agree they never have really used his ability to do that at all. They really just let us know that he could do it. My guess is that it will def come out. Maybe he will be communicate with Locke…if Locke is dead or whatever is going on with his character.
I also agree with Scott that Hurley doesn’t seem to be meaningful at this point in the season but the angle with the numbers seems like a solid theory.
I love the new Jack, think the character is great. I always liked the character tho. He def won’t die this season if at all.
Hope we get answers to
Jacob
Richards agelessness and what he meant by what he said
whats going on with Sun
Whats up with faraday
what is the deal with whidmore/ellie/richard….seems like a weird dynamic going on there
Desmond and Penny??
I also agree that the same scenes shown from different angles is a bit of a waste of time. Don’t think they have given much insight…
yes good point, what happened with the numbers ??? i am hoping to getting answers on the numbers, smokey and the statue
Karen, the numbers (valenzetti equation)really were not explained on the show, only in lost experience, so they ‘ll surelly come to that.Thats why i still think Hurley will play an important role regardind them.
I think you’ll like this old promo of season 1 for europe, its quite fun.I had not seen it yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XBtWYBPTns
RE: Jonathan, # 63
Good looking out, I was beginning to buy into the theories of how maybe Ben didnt know he was born off island, but now that you mention this conversation, those theories are shot. Good job man
Also, FYI……I solved the mystery of who is Jacob.
Just in case any of you would like to know.
Its Jack’s grandfather. Thats right. I know this because of the way they introduced him earlier this season and how vague the conversation between him and jack was. Also, the actor who played him, I have seen him in a lot of other roles before, so it leads me to believe that they got a fairly prominent actor for the part. I think if the grandfather was only going to be in that one episode, they would have hired someone else to play him.
Lost will always introduce a secondary character in one episode, only to have the character comeback into the story episodes or seasons later. (IE, Ms. Hawking, Charles Widmore, Anthony Cooper, etc)
One other point to support my theory is that his son Christian, is the one who can speak on Jacob’s behalf? One minute the guy is a corpse in Australia, then 815 crashes, his body is nowhere to be found and now he has some deep spiritual commune with the islands spiritual leader. It has to be Christians dad looking out for him.
Of course, I have been wrong before, so if this theory doesnt prove true, I wont be surprised, but I feel pretty confident that I hit the nail on the head with this one, and if it is accurate, remember, you heard it here first from the Moo.
Cheers!
Another great Lost epi. I love the simple scenes in Lost the most. Loved it when Sawyer called Kate “Freckles” again, that was so cute of him. and when Juliet was watching Jack get out of the shower but never looking down, that was so funny. The scene when Kate is leaving Aaron had me in tears also, this was Kate’s best epi on Lost. Best scene was watching the Famous Smirk of Locke at the end. Lost just Rocks !!!
i dont agree this was Kate’s best episode, maybe in this season. she was getting on my nerves a lot on previous seasons, now im starting to like her more again.
Lostie, i do too love Locke’s smile
he’s one of my favourite characters!
Moohaha post 69- my problem with your theory is that we see jack’s granddad alive just before he gets on the plane to come back to the island. We are told he lives in this old fokes homes from which he tries to escape, so how can he be there and on the island where presumably he would have been for some time as Richard knows of Jacob in 1954 and has been on the island since we are led to believe.
I’m not saying your theory is wrong just that personally I don’t think it can be jack’s granddad for the main reason that he is still alive (Jack’s granddad not Jacob whom I believe to be dead, or more to the point not alive at least not what we would normally associate as being alive). But in terms of the methodology of the show having him as Jacob would work.
If anyone understands that they have done well, it seems to make sense in my head, but don’t know if I’m good at articulating my points.
Talking about a Temple, remember when Mr.Ecko mentions to Locke in a conversation in the swan that Josiah (or Jacob) sent out his secretary (or Locke) to use The Book of Law (or The Old Testament) to rebuild the temple as the kingdom was in disarray; The temple is what Ben mentions as being the last safe sanctuary on the island and only being for a select few.
The Book of Law is one of the items that Richard asked if it belong to young Locke already, as if Locke is the reincarnated version of the secretary sent out by Josiah to rebuild the temple . Bit crazy…
In that meeting of Richard and young John, remember there was a drawing made by him of the smokie monster hanging on the wall.
Jonathan good point on the drawing on the wall.
Moohaha I will have to disagree on Ben’s Grandfather being Jacob, however I will have to say I believe he does have something to do with the island.
im confused… ok locke’s future was for a moment a part of the past and now the present (since he is not time travelling at the moment and not in the 70s) is his present, so evtg is ok. he did time travel but he did not come back to his childhood – then at that time, how could young locke have drawn smokey ??? at the time he did time travel and was not born yet, in what measure could he “remember” what he’d gone through ?? tricky…
Time to get more from Locke. I think this episode will reveal a bit more about him. If he lets Ben manipulate him now than I have no sympathy from him. His smile at the end tells me he is done playing games with Ben and now going to be a little smarter when dealing with him. Like Sun is now after hitting him with the paddle from the boat. She learned quick….time for jon too also.
I totally agree Adam, Locke I believe has learned his lesson, after Ben Killed him I think the new Locke will be stronger and more wise.
I did like the look he gave him at the end. I believe the island has spoken to him and he will lead Ben to his judgement.
If Locke hasnt learned his lesson by now, I will have no sympathy for his character anymore.
Its time for him to man up and become this so-called “great leader” that he is supposed to be.
Hi all. Just got back from vacation and watched Lost (finally). For starters, Scoppie, I think you are dead on with the theory about Hurley, the numbers, and the swan. I was racking my brain trying to think what pupose he may have other than being able to see the dead, and this might just be it.
Someone above wondered why Juliette would think to take Ben to the others. Good question. the only think I could think of is that after the purge and the others took over Dharma, Juliette learned their secrets (just like she learned to speak latin), and remembered what they could do
back in the 70′s.
So it looks like Charles and Ms. Hawking were in charge at one point, but that does not tell us who jacob is.
Can I nitpick for a second??? I agree with all above that Ben’s bullet wound travelled around his chest. Also, was it me or did it seem that when Jin woke up Ben was right next to him? I was sure that Ben was at least 20 feet away from Sayid (who was leaning over jin) when he was shot. Also, whoever said it above, why was juliette doing the surgery and no one seemed to notice? Also, since when do you do emergency surgery and a transfusion on someone and don’t take off their shoes and pants?? Also, why is Richard decked out in jeans (tight ones no less), and the others look like bums?? OK– I think I am done.
I loved the look on John’s face when he talked to Ben, and the look on Ben’s face was absolutley priceless. I wish I knew if Ben was good or bad.
About the temple and its ability to change people, isn’t that what happened to Danielle’s crew?? They went in there and came out different?? Also, being changed in there may explain why the others are so seemingly tied to the island, unless that whole scene with Ben was to cover a plot hole (that is, ben not remebering Sayid in season 2 when sayid was torturing him).
Well, that’s all I’ve got. It looks like next week will be a biggie.
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right, juliette speaking latin, that was pretty cool ! id like to hear her speak more latin. and also, widmore spoke latin. why he heck were they talking in latin? bizarre…
There are many issues regarding Juliet. She certainly knows more than she seems.
Once, when she was being chased by the smoke monster with Kate, they hid in some trees and the monster came really close to her and some bright flashes appeared, like it was taking pictures or processing data from her.
Some other time, when chased again, she knew that the monster wouldnt cross the sonic fence and she turned it on.
Remember she was once marked by the others on her back, with a symbol that resembles an upsidedown sun. Dont know what that branding meant though.
I came across this: Sir Thomas More wrote a book called Utopia which was published in 1516 (numbers). The fictional island part is certainly interesting…!
“Utopia is a name for an ideal community or society, taken from the title of a book written in 1516 by Sir Thomas More describing a fictional island in the Atlantic Ocean, possessing a seemingly perfect socio-politico-legal system. The term has been used to describe both intentional communities that attempted to create an ideal society, and fictional societies portrayed in literature. “Utopia” is sometimes used pejoratively, in reference to an unrealistic ideal that is impossible to achieve, and has spawned other concepts, most prominently dystopia.” [Wikipedia]
Maybe the Others are trying to live in their Utopia but they keep being interrupted by various groups who get in the way – 1800s Black Rock folk, 1954 US Army, 1970s Dharma, 2004 Losties etc. etc.
Jonathan– You are right that there are still a lot of mysteries surrounding Julietee. I specifically remember smokey and the light flashes when her and kate were hiding in the trees. I don’t recall smokey doing that to anyone else. Perhaps those will be answered soon.
Another things comes to mind is I wonder if Smokey also changed some of John’s mind back in season 2 (I think it was 2) when he almost got dragged in the hole. If my recollection is correct, before John was grabbed by smokey he was confronted by smokey, he looked into smokey’s face, and he had that wonderous look on his face. Almost like he had a revelation. Then later smokey grabbed him, and while Jack was trying to save him John was saying “let me go.” Maybe he saw into the heart of the island through smokey and wanted to go with him. I also think that the same thing happened to Cindy. When she was Kate and Sawyer in the cages in season 3, she definatly looked like she’d seen a ghost and had changed.
Also, was it just me or was John’s scar over/under his eye (that he got when the plane crashed) gone??
Last, I was thinking about when Richard said to Kate that Ben would not remember. Well, what did he mean by that?? I think it only meant that Ben would not remember getting healed, but not nececessarily shot. After all, even though Danielle’s crew went down in the temple when they came out they still knew who Danielle was. So, can we assume that Ben would forget everything that happened to him prior to being shot??
SPOILER
Fork in the outlet.
Thats the chosen name for the most important scene of the season finale. We may guess its something shocking.
On april 22th there will be another break in the series , but they will show an episode about the oceanic 6 stories.
another break?? that sux. i agree there is a lot about juliette we dont know…..but we could say that about a lot of characters. the next few weeks are going to be really good i think.
totalylost,
good point on Danielle’s crew remembering her and then why would Ben on remember. I’m thinking that the situation is different, remember Richard said Ben would loose his innocence if he took him, so i think that maybe Richard taking Ben to get healed doesn’t necessarly mean that smokie will save him.
I still think there is something in the temple, like on stargate (movie) the concrete box that Ra slept in and when Daniel was shot he was taken there and healed.
Moohaha and Wolowitz –
In the episode earlier this season where Jack was visiting his Grandfather, Ray, at the old folks home, did they not make mention of the fact that Ray was always leaving the home, or trying to leave?
This might confirm his having some sort of connection to the island, or being Jacob himself.
RE: canadian beetle -
Thats what im saying man. I honestly think that Grandpa is going to end up being Jacob.
If anyone is interested in the so called “incident” that is supposed to be taking place. I found an interesting picture at Lostpedia.
I think the image is from some Lost video game that was released. (I never played it) But I found this photo and thought it was interesting enough to post and maybe discuss with you all.
Enjoy
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Behind_the_Secret_Swan.jpg
moohaha thanks for that. so for you the incident has to do with a big magnet? the island has a special magnetism i agree but if there is a big magnet somewhere it should be in a v precise place. otherwise, life would not be possible, a lot of things are metallic in the island and with a magnet this size, i dont see that happening…
im v interested in watching the last episode of this season called indeed “the incident”
Hey my lost friends, i read your comments above and first i have to say is that i have bought that “Lost game” few years ago and played it through! The game was intersting but it answered nearly nothing interesting, the only thing what was VERY Intersting was the Swan Station and in that game you (the player) visit the BIG Magnet behind the Wall in the Swan station, what we never saw in the show (you know, the magnet thing what´s behind the “closed” wall – MOOHAHA..posted before the link with that picture from the game – this huge magnet thing what was in the game, so….when i played it and i was in that room behind the Swan station, honestly there were some old DI computers and i had to play some games on the PC´s, but there was nothing important, it revealed nothing important what belongs to the show….whatever!! But i also was in some stations what we never saw before in the show, strange but i think nothing important again, because we never saw it before in the show!!
And yeah guys, the upcoming break sucks again!
Last thing is about Ben and the next episode “Dead is Dead”, it´s about him, and some days ago i saw an interview from Micheal Emerson and he told that we will see him till the end of the current fifth season, SO…somkey won´t kill him!! Althought i´m excited what will really happen, whatever we´ll see!!
Jack won´t die, he is still the main character, because remember back in L.A. in that church with Ms. Hawking, she spoke with jack under four eyes and told him what he have to do before going back on the island, she picked him and only him, none of the others!! So he is still the most important character and he´s purpose on the island NOW, we´ll see what it will be, but surely something only what he can and have to do, remember he father who is speaking for Jacob at least to Locke and of course his grandfather who is very mysterious and he will be probably play a bigger role in the future! But guys, Jack´s grandfather being Jacob – NEVER!!
Oh..about the incident and the numbers wich they will put into the computer in the Swan, I BET Hurley have to do something with that, He knows the numbers in the seventies and at this time nobody knows them because the swan isn´t built yet!! Radzinsky & Hurley will meet and they will talk about this, i think! LAST think about the Hurley bird, somebody posted before that he will maybe practice that bird and in the future, in 2004 when this bird flies over Hurley in the jungle and screamed his name was maybe really trained in the past by Hurely, would make sense!
BUT….we´ll see
One last thing guys! JULIET….yes yes…Now…we know she can speak Latin – that´s strange, but it would make sense when we saw this strange symbols on the Temple wall and down by the frozen donkey whell! So…my theory is that Juliet Have to be once in the Temple too, so that would mean she is like Ben and the Others, forever an Other! That really bothers me because Juliet knows everything about the others and their secrets…and remember she was the one who told Kate to bring young Ben to the others…she knew they could help her…and she knew how they can do this…THE TEMPLE…so that means she also was once there and was maybe “brainwashed” and become an other for EVER! I know very confusing but Juliet is to strange in my eyes, she knows def. more about the island, the others….BUT she never told the truth about her knowledge to her new friends the Losties!!
I think SAYID will become an Other now in the past (70´), only a thought! But what you guys think his purpose will be now on the island?
Also DESMOND – he will be back on the island – i saw a picture from him being on the island, NOW again! Don´t know in which time but i think in the present – 2007/08!? He will be play a main role in the upcoming episodes, for sure! Because the rules don´t apply to him, like Faraday said to him by the swan, during the Flashes! Also Carlton & Damon told in a podcast that we´ll see Desmond soon, probably in the next episode, maybe at the pierre where their boat is, Pen & Des boat! EXCITED what there will happen!!
so maybe he can change things that happen since the rules dont apply. so whatever happens happens may not apply to desmond…so he can change things….thats what i take from it.
whatta ya think?
C.P.L. – To add to your comment about Juliette, I bet that she knows all about the incident (even though she was not on the island then) given that she is an “other”, and will therefore have to play a big part in what happens. Perhaps it will have something to do with saving Sawyer et al, or perhaps she has to betray them so that they end up back in the correct time frame. I am assuming, of course, that all the 06 plus Jin, Miles and Daniel (wherever he is) have to at some point get back to the future, and will not stay in the 1980′s. Perhaps this is what the incident is all about. Who knows. I cannot wait to find out.
As for the person who suggested that Jack’s grandpa is Jacob. My first inclination is to say NO WAY. But, I find it hard to believe that he just popped up in one episode to give jack a pair of his dad’s shoes. I would not put anything past the Lost writers. Stranger things have happened.
I still want to know about Henry Gale and how Ben ended up in Daniell’s net in season 2. Was his capture an accident or not? Why use Henry Gale’s name and not his own? It is not like anyone knew who Ben was. Why bury Henry Gale? I raised that same questiosn about burying bodies earlier. Who would find Henry, and if burial was so important, why wasn’t Yemi and the other pilot in the plane buried? Sorry- my head is spinning.
As for the next episode, what big sin does Ben have to be judged for? Knowing him it is probably many. Maybe it was for stealing Alex and making poor Danielle crazy, knocking off his Dad and Dharma, shooting John, and the list goes on. Bug-eyed Ben may finally get his due.
I just had 2 thoughts. First, suppose that the war for the island is not between Ben and Widmore, as I think many have assumed, but between John and Widmore? With John the apparent successor, perhaps Widmore will be fighting him.
Second, what if the thing Ben has to be judged for is truning the wheel when John was supposed to, and then coming back to the island. Oh– and killing John the apparent chosen one. After all, Ben did say that once you leave the island you can never come back. Yet still, he is back. HHHHmmmmm.
Last, who is the most probable candidate to die this week. As Adam said, someone major is due to die. I say it is, in this order, Sayid, Sawyer, Ben then Jin. Maybe add Kate to that list too. All the others seem to have something left to do.
hey just want to say something about this time travel thing. Its a bit confusing but here it goes…
its about sayid shooting ben, well if it is bens past then the whatever happened happened theory works because he was meant to be shot but its sayids present and future at the same time so in my opinion the whatever happened happened theory is wrong because sayid could have been killed(like hurley and miles said) and if he had then who would have killed ben?
connor….i think your wrong, because the whatever happened theory is about – like Miles told Hurley for the present Person, i mean young Ben couldn´t die because there is and Older Ben/original Ben in 2007 – this older Ben is the main person and only he can die and not his “past” – young Ben. Miles gave the gun to Hurley and said shoot me, because he CAN DIE, he is the actuall main Person, like he said the past was when he arrived with the frighter on the island!
Hope you know what i mean!!
Well, as the sneak peeks didnt show up yet , here they go:
http://www.bycarlost.blogspot.com/
Karen, RE: post 91, I dont know what you mean about magnetism needing to be in a very precise place. I just thought it was an interesting picture that most of us wouldnt have seen unless we played the video game.
C.P.L and TotallyLost, you guys just wait and see, one of my predictions is going to be right one of these days, and I believe this is the one. Jack’s Grandpa is Jacob. Im as sure of it as I was that I knew that Anna Lucia was going to be shot by Michael. (that was me being sarcastic) But I am pretty confident.
Moohaha
you might be on to something, Jacob as Jacks grandfather, then Jacks dad Christian, then Christians son Jack and then Christians grandson Aaron. their is def some family thing going on here.
I also think that there will be more connections like this in the future.
Hey Moohaha– You just may be right about Jack’s grandpa. I am giving you a 50% chance of being right.
Biglostfan, thanks for the reminder about jack’s family tree. I never looked at it that way before.
Moohaha, re your post. well if such a magnet was in the island and the island was already magnetic then nothing could live there (unless the poles were the same but that’s not the case). that’s why i say this magnet would need to be in a very precise place, i.e the first hatch – sorry if you dont like your posts being a bit challenged
Karen,
Isnt that what sites like this are for?
you can challenge whatever you want, nothing is taken personally.
……I just dont know alot about poles and magnets and what not.