Hi All,
Here are this week’s sneak previews of Lost episode 5×08 entitled LaFleur. Also, I’m heading down to South America for a 3 week vacation, so I wont be able to post any updates (OR EVEN WATCH LOST) during that time! I leave it up to you guys to keep the convo going as you always do.
Daniel confirms the flashes have stopped and where they are is where they are stuck.
The Losties watch the Others put a bag over a woman’s head (who do you think she is?), and Juliet saves Sawyer from being shot.
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Yogi….i totally agree about Zuleyka Robinson, she is really beautfull, awesome woman! But are you serious with she´ll be your future wife or are you joking around!? You don´t know her in real, or?
Last point about heroes. I don´t know how´re you thinking about that show but i think it always gets better an better, i love it where they are at the moment, very interesting and so exciting!! Really cool show, REALLY!!!
Enough now about other shows, let´s stay by lost, the best show ever made!! Next weeks ep. is titled “He´s our you”, i don´t know but somehow i think it will be about somebody – i think a baby, maybe Sawyer&Juliets, or Jack&Kates, I´m GUESSING only!!
What are you guys thinking about what the title could mean? Somebody an idea? Answer me my lost freinds?
jonathan………your my man!! You said exactly the point what´s about this site!!! IT´S ABOUT EXCHANGING THOUGTS with each other and of course THEORYS what everbody is thinking!!
So go on all of you guys, i love reading, writting and chatting here with you guys, that´s really fun and really interesting. You have to know in my clique nearly nobody is really interested in Lost and so YOU GUYS are the people which i can talk to!!!
I got creeped out when sun and frank got to the other island. When the smoke machine was around and also when the light turned on in the house.
Wow, two weeks without Lost really bites.
OK, good, solid episode I thought, would have liked to have found out what assignment the DI gave Hurley (hopefully not “spinal surgeon”), but never-mind.
First off, I was wondering if anyone else thought the photo of the class of ’77 was a glaring error? Unless what happens in the past plotline changes what goes on in the present (which I don’t think it does), why on earth would Ben Linus allow the picture of Hurley, Jack and Kate – or ANY evidence of their existence in the DI for that matter – to be hanging up in plain view in his town? Didn’t Juliet live there for years? Didn’t he allow Jack to walk around the place back in Season 3? For a ruthless killer who’s good with details that seems one heck of an oversight… or maybe it WAS hidden and Christian hung it up there himself… hmm.
Also… I’m starting to feel uneasy about the whole scenario of Locke bringing everybody back to the island. Could it be that the whole purge event, and whatever caused the breakdown of the truce between The Others and the DI, is ultimately all down to Locke bringing everyone back? If there’s one thing we’ve come to know about poor old John it’s how gullible he can be, is the Island, or The Others, setting him and everyone else up?
One thing’s for sure, I’m going straight back to the middle of Season 2 to watch how Sayid deals with Ben as his prisoner in the Swan, it’s bound to have a bearing on how things pan out now he’s young Ben’s prisoner.
I still think Ben is trying to stop something, weather it’s correcting a mistake, like maybe he realizes that the purge shouldn’t have happened so now he’s trying to get the others to stop it?
We haven’t seen Widmore in a while or Desmond so hopefully they’ll be in soon. I believe I read Desmond will be in episode 5×11.
And as far as Zuleyka Robinson is concerned I am not divorcing her (I wish) beautiful lady though.
Was it just me, or did Ben seem surprised that he was on the small island? He only started to move once Ceasar said there were buidlings there.
Also, it seems clear that Ceasar and Ilana did not know each other prior to the flight, unless they have us fooled , which is entirely possible.
As for Christian, since he seems to be a person to help people “get where they need to be” could he be the one to show Sun how to get back to 1977, or how to bring the others to the present (whenever that is)??
We know how 1 outrigger canoe got to the barracks, but who is going to be in the other? Whoever it is will be someone who gets shot, as we saw Juliette firing at the canoe and hitting someone.
So many questions. Clearly the losties will no longer be one big happy family.
Is it possible that Sayid becomes an Other and aligns himself with Richard et al?? He is definatley not Dharma material.
Scoppie- It was Jason who said a long time ago that Hurley’s job is going to be a bird trainer, which allows the Hurley-bird to call him later!!!!!
Richard7769- Interesting theory about Ben possibly trying to stop something. I’m not sure how that works with teen Ben in the 70′s and bug-eyed adult Ben being in the present, but we will see. Maybe he is not as rotten as he appears to be
C.P.L.- As always, a pleasure to read your posts, and who cares if they are long. That is all part of the fun!!!!!
One more thing. As for Faraday, since he was so devastated about losing Charlotte, perhaps be got back on the sub and went to Oxford to start his time travel research/experiments.
Scoopie, my explanation for your question would be this:
that photo of them in 77 was taken after they got back in time, in 2004. So, in the past, when Juliette was there, i think there was no picture at all, cause they havent traveled to the past yet.
The same reason Rosseau and Jin didnt recognize themselves when they first met in 2004, because Jin just traveled back in time to 1988 after that meeting, in december 2004.
I wish Zuleyka Robinson was my future wife. I have been in love with her since I saw Hidalgo a few years ago. Don’t worry I will not stalk her or anything but I really do love her. Sorry Richard, but I love your wife! LOL
As far as Heroes, I’ve lost so much interest in it, probably because its being overpowered by Lost. Hopefully it will get back on track, but I definetly think that last season was the suckiest Heroes season.
jonathan, I agree with you on why the photo wouldn’t have been there previously.
A minor point but people are writing that the 2nd crash was 2008 but it was 2007. The episode says 30 years earlier then moves to 1977.
The relevance of the baby being Ethan is that he is the last baby born on the island ( before Aaron). Or at least that’s my theory.
Yogi……dude you are really lost!!!!
Guys, i watched again the episode and noticed something! I want your opinion about it!!
Here it goes:
When Sawyer arrives with Jack ,Kate and Hurley in the recrutation area, he tells them that Juliet is going to work out for their names to be in the list.
Strangely, BEFORE she arrives with the list , Jack was called ( Juliet arrived later with the updated list, when Kate was being questioned by the dharma guy).
Even tough Pierre Chang says he cant find Jack’s file,because Amy was suposed to be there, he had his name already on the list .
Before that, when Amy is talking to Juliet, she mentions that two people gave up coming in the sub, so there would be place for two new names. That conversation must be there for a reason.If Jack was already on the list, they wouldnt notice thw two additions.
It supports the theory of those who think that Jack was already on the island.
Maybe a crazy tought, but that’s lost!
What do you all mean where is Locke…this was address not too long ago….. It was told that Locke just showed up and appeared out of nowhere to the new losties(my guess out of the coffin….
Remember at the end of that episode Locke sees Ben in the cot(bed). Ceasar takes Locke to him…..
Well this episode explains how Ben ended up in the cot.(Sun to the back of the head) hence while this is going…Sun and Lapides are meeting with Christian…and now Sun….”has a lot of work to do”…same quote Christian gave Vincent in the mobisode. With that all being said….the only thing we dont know about Locke is what…..6 to 10 hours of where is he at? Does it technically matter because either way we know he shows up….
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Scoopie…. Hurley’s assignment will be Master Chef. Though I wish it was going to animal trainer….instead…Chef. Oh well.
You all….the class Picture….. This is why all of these people were originally on the list they had been there before….it only makes sence…. As far a Julliet seeing the picture…I just don’t think she ever did before…I think whe was kept in the dark like the losties…this only makes sense. Again, I mentioned this some weeks ago abou Julliete that the people know she had been there before because of the way they were staring at her….this only makes sense….. Ban has known this for quite some time…Again…I am going with the theory that Ben is good and that he is trying to fix things….and that the purge was a part of the fixing to soon be discovered.
sorry jason but to seeing Ben as the “good” guy after he massacred a town isn´t believable!!!!!!!!!!
But about your theroy over Juliet, Respect, you convinced me, i´m thinking the same it´s making really sense! good job
Wolowitz, I agree, Ethan was the last baby born on the island that the Others knew of, which was why he was all about pregnant Claire in season 1.
2nd,
I agree that Jack’s group is now in 1977 with Sawyers, but they are changing the past which is affecting the future that Sun and Frank are now in. I think Frank and Sun are not in the same 2007 that they left behind when they got on the flight. They are in a different 2007 on the island. One that has been affected by the new 1977 with the Losties in the DI.
like a alternate existence or something
Hi I’ve often read others comments on this site but have never contributed, until now. I found some interesting info on the net regarding the next episode ‘He’s Our You’. The whole plot summary of this episode was on Wikipedia and was pulled within the first hour of publishing. I have no idea whether it is ‘canon’ or not but some of it sounded plausible.
*MAJOR SPOILER ALERT*
It’s a Sayid centric episode and explains how Sayid ended up on the Ajira flight. It also stated that Ben kills Lapidus and that Sawyer wounds Sayid in order to stop Sayid from shooting Kate.
Like I said, I dont know if this is true but it’s pretty mind-blowing!
Wasn’t Alex born in between the time of Aaron and Ethan, still doesn’t change the arugument that since he was born on the island that is probably why he was there to help with the future baby problem.
I don’t find that the picture is a big oversight, Once the DI was gone I doubt Ben gave anyone access to them, although we are not shown this but to me it seems completely logical. They should explain it though. On the other hand maybe post 304 has your answer.
I haven’t bought into Jonathan’s theory yet about the them not originally being in the picture. But in general it seems a pretty safe bet to just go witht he oppisite that I think, lol.
Moohaha…..brilliant thought! I nearly thought the same that it could be the “new” – “Changed” future (present) because of what the losties change in the 70´s!!!!??? BUT, when i remember back what ms. hawking said about time has a course correction that led me to think that everything what the losties doing in the 70´ has no affect to the present, time would change everything how it should be!! Only the place where Sun and Lapidus where, wasn´t it the boat station where the submarine was always?? When yes, then what happened because everything was damaged, it looked like after a war was happened there, so that would mean they probably change/changed really the past and so the future/present!!!
Next episode will be a great one!! FOR SURE, because it´s about Sayid, my man, his eps. are always interesting and very very good!
only 5 episodes left….
should be really good based on the titles of the show on wikipedia
GUYS, i just saw a preview for the next episode and i have to say….Yeaahhh…that will be a cool again, at least becasue the title is connected to Sayid how it seems because of “He´s our you” =means= he is our torturer like sayid is/was!!! And Sawyer says in this previou that everybody or at least Sayid is/are on his own, and Sayid will be in big action again, i really hope!!!
to moohaha post 313. To change the past to affect the future was not against the basic time-travel rules? “All have happened, happens”
OH….Faraday…..I forgot to mention…(someone asked were is he at)…
I think he was working below like as shown in the first episode of this season and he somehow creates an accident… however… I don’t think he dies…I feel he will some how end up back in 2007 with Sun, and somehow get her and the losties in time back together…. or….somehow have to go back and get aaron and possible Jiyeon….and of course his contact Desmond….
CPL….Let me ask you….do you think Richard is bad?
Mr. Jones(great song, by the way),
what i meant when i wrote about the picture is that, when Jack was in the barracks at the time Ben was sick, in that original timeline, there was no picture of the losties hanging on the wall, because they just went to the past much after that period.
Jason, i agree with you about the incident ,possibly it has something to do with Faraday and the donkey wheel, i guess he was trying to find a way to put them all in the same time or something.
About changing the future, considering what they said till now, some minor events that don’t have an impact on your destiny can be changed, but the important and major events cant be changed, as fate has a way of course correcting and whatever happened happened.
Ben seems to be always trying to change the future, and its quite clear the he knows in advance whats gonna happen, thats why he always has a plan.
I dont know about you guys, but each episode i think that Jack and Kate’s acting or roles are much more boring …
maybe ben has gone back to the past a few times to try to change the future….trying many times to correct something that has happened…fine tuning it until he gets it right???
There are several comments on here where people have said that the ‘losties’ or ‘others’ were the one’s who built the runway. I don’t remember a runway getting built. When did that happen?
Ron Paul Fan
The runway was what the Others had Sawyer and Kate working at when they would take them from the bear cages. At the same time that Jack was doing the surgery on Ben.
Thanks Roni.
I remember those episodes and I remember everyone working but I still can’t recall the ‘runway’. Did the producers show the viewers the runway or did the ‘others’ tell us that it was a runway?
CHECK OUT THIS IMAGE FROM LOSTPEDIA –
its a shot from the episode where Claire is believed to be in the background
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:509_sun_woman2.jpg
About the “incident 1/2″, the two last finale episodes! I read it´s the Swan Staion or at least connected somehow to the Swan! I AM SURE!!!! So the incident is about the swan station and the 108 mins to push the button, i bet the incident is because sombody didn´t pushed the button after the 108min and so this incident happened, i mean honestly we don´t know exactly what happens after the 108mins, we only saw Des turning the key before happened the incident! In the past maybe someone don´t push it and so it happneed
JASON………Honestl, NO, i don´t believe Richard Alpert is a bad guy (i´m hoping you are meaning Richard Alpert??!!?) I always thouhgt and thinking now too that Richard is maybe the only guy from the others who is not really bad, because he knows most of all and how it seems he is the one walking through different timezone´s..ohh.sorry wrong..he doesn´t do this because he isn´t “only” aging!! Listen to that, im believing since some time that Richard Alpert is Jacob, BUT we still know he isn´t of course because remember the scene in season three when Locke “killed” his father and brought him to the others camp, everybody was shocked from the others. And when Locke said to Ben that they are now going to visit Jacob EVERBODY was shocked an strred at him and on Ben, their leader!
C.P.L , as a matter of fact , you are totally right, i guess the incident is really related to the swan and the unique and intense eletromagnetic energy that is there.
Maybe they tried to release this energy to use it somehow, but it was way too strong, and then there was the ”leak” mentioned by Kelvin Ilman. Probably people got hurt, including Mr. Chang, who appears with a fake arm in some videos.
So after that they put massive concrete on the walls(remember Sayid once said that he has only seen something like that in Chernobyl) and than created the 108 minutes system to liberate that energy slowly, without causing danger. It must have been something in this direction…
This guy, Kelvin Ilman, he is quite intriguing. First he was in the U.S. militairy during the gulf war, remember he forced Sayid to torture the prisioners.
Then he joined dharma on the island and took care of the swan, first with Radzinsky and later with Desmond.
He survived the purge, and remember that he lied to Desmond by saying that it was dangerous to leave the swan, because of toxic gas or something, so he always wore that suit to go out, until Des found out and killed him by accident.
CPL…I didn’t think you thought Richard was bad… But do keep in mind that if Ben is Bad, and your reasoning to holding on to this, at least mentioned earlier, was because of the gasing of the DI… However, Alpert was involved in that too. So…would that then make him bad???? Personally…. I feel Alpert is not and again the extermination by Ben and the Others was more of a good situation…and where does the DI get off calling the Hostiles hostile…weren’t they on the island before the DI anyway….didnt the DI intrude on the island? Hate to use this analogy but the American Indians were accused of the samething….(I really didn’t want to go there but I’m just saying)….
I know, Ben gets on my nerves too… but still… with the losties being on the island before…. and Ben trying to collect them together, but at the sametime tame their personality…. for all we know maybe he was trying to get them to a point where they would be able to comprehend their state of being their…..
I just wonder if Smokie will ever have to judge Ben to atone for his actions.
Jonathan – thanks for the explanation, I don’t really agree with it because as I said in a previous discussion I think of the whole course correcting thing as if the beginning and end were two determined points that can not change, connected by a imaginary string. You can bend and pull and twist the string as much as you want but the beginning and end are two rigid points and thus are always the same beginning and end.
I guess if you break it down the right way though maybe the O6 going back to the 70′s is a bend in the string but still wit the same beginning and end.
I don’t know what I think anymore, this show is so confusing and I love it.
If I had to guess, I would think that Faraday probably banished himself from the DI to try to avoid warning young Charollet about the island. I know that he was seen helping to build the Orchid but there was 3 years in between when they first arrived and the last episode.
Jason for the record I think that Ben is bad. DI purge, enough said for me on that. Even if he means well it still seems that all his goals are focused on him and his survival and prosperity.
I think Alpert is sort of like Christen in that he helps people get to where they need to go or do to move on, good or bad. Helped Ben with the purge, Helped Locke with his father (indirectly helping Sawyer). I.E. I think of Alpert not so much as good or bad but as a helper or messenger.
sorry for the book guys and gals
I got the below text from lostpedia, this is the portion of the Swan orientation video that Radzinsky took out and hid at the arrow station. Chang is explaning what not to use the computer at the Swan for.
…for anything else other than the entering of the code. This is its only function.
The isolation that attends the duties associated with Station 3 may tempt you to try and utilize the computer for communication with the outside world. This is strictly forbidden. Attempting to use the computer in this manner will compromise the integrity of the project and worse, could lead to another incident. I repeat, do not use the computer for anything other than entering the code.
Taking this at its word it would appear that using the computer to communicate with the outside world had something to do with the original incident.
If this is right my guess would be that Radzinsky was responsible for it and that guilt is why he cut out a portion of the video hid it in the arrow and later killed himself.
Jones….Very interesting insight on Ben. Again however…connecting Ben to the Purge and “Evil Doing”. this then negates Alpert and the gang ever having a problem with the DI and that somehow Ben Masterminded for Bad sake the exptermination of the DI. I guess things just really weren’t that bad considering a Truce was needed long before Ben ever arrived on the Island. Nevermind the story Ben was asking Locke about his familiarity of The Tale of Two Cities. Nevermind his quote “We’re the Good Guys” or “Well consider yourself one of the good guys”…noevermind Ben had been on the island and most likely familiar with the pictures from 1977. Nevermind, Ben in fact moving the island. Nevermind, Alpert told young Ben not to worry that someday his day will come and he will be able to help or leave to come with him. Nevermind ben was doing what he could to keep the Losties there(O6) eventhough they wouldn’t listen and they are back at the island again. Nevermind that there was no DI back in 1953…but they are ther in the 70′s and they just seem to be axcepted as good…really because they have cool stuff and nice houses to sleep in….Hey why the hell is the sonic fence around them anyways do they have something to hide from…hmmmm smokie??? Hey didn’t Ben summon smokie???? oh nevermind that either.
Well yes Ben Good or Ben Bad has yet to be determined eitherway cant wait to find out.
great show!
it is clear now that Sun did no go back in time and i think that if she hadnt beat Ben to the ground then she might had had a chance to do so.
Jonathan, great comment there about the woman’s figure! i hadnt noticed it, i will watch that part again.
I thought it was great how Jack got won at by sawyer! now sawyer is the leader and Jack must follow his orders now. ha ha that is a great turnover!
by the way CPL, the avatar did change
so working now
all – who is Zuleyka Robinson ???? in lost? I saw Reiko Aylesworth.
What happened to Daniel !!!!?????? i loved his character, maybe he became mad with all the time travelling, his love dying in front of him… i really liked him, seems that all the characters i like are killed !
sorry jones… who is Radzinsky again?
you must all be thinking what a bad lost fan am i…
Just some questions and comments.. After I have read yours
- Why Sun did not disappear with the flash as the rest did, and she are in present time not in 1977? Maybe she did not come back to island. Ben would be interference in the Locke-Bentham fate line. I agree that Ben seems to be always trying to change the things happened.
- Following the Faraday’s theory, the main things that have happened happen. But then, these Ben wish would have nonsense, and he’d know it..
- I think that things could change in the island, not in the outside world. What do you think?
- Maybe Ben is obsess to fix his own mistakes (basically the purge)
- But Ben can not appear in the main island 1977 because he would find himself (like rabbit number five did)
- Where are the rest of survivors after the flaming arrows attack?
- To CPL, Richard don’t really seem a bad guy but he doesn’t know all (past and future) .. Remember when he talks with Locke and after with Sawyer..
- About this.. Jones, the “helper’s idea” is really great, people further the good or bad.. Our dead-men people, the sacrificed, the resurrected, Christian, and now Locke too, maybe Richard Alpert.. And Jacob (and Claire too?)
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Now i´m knowing what´s the meaning of next weeks episode – “He´s our you” = it means Kelivn Inman is in that time, around the 70´s the torturer for the DI!!! Like Sayid is/was trained by Kelvin Inman and now they will meet probably each other!?!? Good Thought, or what are you guys thinking about this “theory”!?
C.P.L i think that Kelvin was not on the island in the 70′s. He was in the u.s. militairy in the gulf war around 1990 and i believe he went to the island in 1991 or close to that, before the purge(1992) wich he survived.
About whatever happened happened.
Wasn’t strange that in the 2007 where Sun and Christian are there was still that processing room sign of dharma hanging on the house and dharma pictures on the wall?
I mean, after the purge, the others probably should have ocuppied that place and throwed away all this dharma stuff.
Isnt it possibly that it was an alternate 2007 created by the return of Sawyer and Co to the past?
Do you think that whatever happened happened means that it has always been a La Fleur , Jack , Kate, Hurley and Jin in 1977?
This whatever happened happened keeps blowing my brains.
jonathan,
but in that case, wouldnt lafleur, jack, kate, hurley and jin (and sayid) have remembered their visit to the island in 1997 when they (re)crash in 200X ? because it was all new for them, they didnt even know each other. that’s what bothers me too, i.e. what were they doing in 1977 for instance… complicated!
Karen, it is complicated indeed.
I personally believe that their return to that past happened only after they crashed and they were not always there in 1977,but what i was wondering is if this wouldnt be against the whatever happened happened theory. Or maybe whatever happened would happen even if they were not there? Do they change the future with their acts?
I think there was a timeline of 1977 without them being there,before they’ve traveled back in time.But i am still trying to convince myself of it all.
The example i use is of Rosseau and Jim. If there was only one timeline, they both would rememeber themselves when they first met in 2004. So, there was a timeline in 1988 where they didnt meet, wich happened before he went back in time, and thats why they didnt remember each other the first time they met in 2004.
I might be wrong, but i see things more or less like this:
– first island timeline we know of:
1977-without losties
1992 – the purge
2004 – oceanic 815 crash
2007 – ajira crash
– second island timeline :
1977 – with the losties
1992 – the purge? we dont know yet
2004 – ?
2007 – ?
So there might be happening an alternate timeline, on wich the acts of the losties will play an important role.
Maybe they cant change the end of it, maybe the purge and the crashes will happen somehow, in a different way, like Charlie’s death, wich was many times postponed by the acts of desmond.Even him, who is told to be special, couldnt change it.
someone said earlier that lapides will die…I feel this must be true… (whenever they introduce an new character one goes) the new one Radzinsky…
One more thing…does anyone have a clue what in the world Ilana said when Ceasar woke her up after the plane landed… it sounded like she called him Sarah….
anyone else notice RIGHT after Sawyer said “not anymore” when jack asked him if Faraday was there…in the background you heard the song..”ride captain ride upon your mystery ship…to a place to a world where others might have been”
In 1953 Ben wasn´t even born, but the truce began since the dharma came on the island, Ben was, t think, between 12-14 years old when he brought Sayid in the last episode his food!!!! It was 1977!! So should that mean he´s born in 1963-65 or something like this (please correct me if that was once mentioned before, i don´t remember – he lied to often!)! Ok, that´s not very important, i think, i mean i have no clue, we´ll see, or what are you people saying about that?
Jason…..Ilana called Ceasar “Jarrah” after the plane crahs, i just listened it again and i´m sure. She obviously had the first thought where her prisoner -Sayid- coud be; but he was of course gone, the man isn´t studid!!!!
I´m telling now how i think the lost story will probably go on: The losties which are now in the 70´s are supposed to be there, to fullfill their destiny, i mean with that, it is their destiny to go back to the past and change these things we´ll see what they have to be doning!!! So when they are sometime ended their “mission” they will go back somehow, we´ll see, but i´m pretty sure they are nearly all back in the past(only the ones which are important and have to fullfill some “games”, missions of course) the rest wiche stayed and are suppoesed to stay, i´m sure about that because of C.Shephard who meant at least to Sun she have a long way or something similar for her to do!?!? AND i mentioned that before in an older post, i am becoming stupid or is the boat(submarine) riverside not totally destroyed there, ok, not really destroyed but pretty dirty, looked like there was something big going on like a WAR!!
LAST: That are only thoughts, but i think this time i´m on a good way about the time being suppossed to their right own correction by our losties in the past for the normal/new/normal-old TIME PERIOD!!! I really think the things how they are going now have to be so for the present life of everybody at least for the people on the island or even on the hole world, haha!!!
And when you know what i´m meaning and your thinking about this it rally makes sense. I´m normally hard to convinced by any theorys, i respect mostly of them but honestly mostly of them are just b…s…! But this one, even when/becasue it´s from me ti really convinced me!!
ahh….hear ya guys, and however, WE´LL SEE!!!!!!!!
Jonathan.. sorry but I disagree your post 346, your “first island timeline” must be wrong.. Ben is 14-15 years old in 1977, I agree with CPL, and you said the purge is in 1992, 15 years later.. Then, Ben would be 29 years old in the Purge time, and I remmember him as a kid. Maybe I’m wrong but I think the purge must be soon, in this season..
Mctama, you are 100% wrong.
When the purge happened, Ben was an adult.
Check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSwNGC30IqI
Lostpedia: ”The Purge is the name given to the Island-wide toxic gas attack that effectively wiped out the DHARMA Initiative’s presence on the Island, marking the end of the long conflict between the DHARMA Initiative and the Others. The gas was released from the Tempest, and when inhaled it resulted in violent spasms, bleeding from the nose, and death. The Purge occured at 4 P.M. on December 19, 1992, which happened to be Ben’s birthday”.
This is when Locke meets Horace in his dream in 2004, and Horace tells him he’s been dead for 12 years(1992).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT8al6kgyQg&feature=related
jonathan….of course Ben was an adult when the purge happened! Like “mctama” mentioned Ben was around nearly 30 years old, even when he looked like now(i think, ok we don´t ever saw a picture from him during this time), when the purge was in 1992 (i don´t know if it´s right but i took this date from you jonathan, what you wrote above), so around 16 years before, then he had to look much more younger, we will surely see Ben in that age, i mean when the purge will happen, i think more and more it´s all about the purge, at least for the hole DI story/people!
Jonathan you was absolutely right.. and you prove it!!. Ben was near his 30. And 12 years ago could be in this age. He is now our constant.
But can adult Ben meet kid Ben, like a rabbit number five? Why he want to return if he will stay out of the main island’s time? He didn’t know?
Sorry guys, i have a lot of free time this weekend..so..
Mctama, i guess Ben or anyone cant meet their younger version.
Probably he knew he was gonna land in the small island, in third season he and the others were making that runway where ajira landed, with Kate and Sawyer’s help, perhaps he knew in advance he would need it later.
He once said that whoever turns the donkey wheel cant come back to the island, we still have to find out the exact meaning of that. Anyway, he went back to the other island, so he possible really knew that.
Remember that day , in one of those time flashes, that Locke, Sawyer, Juliet found 2 outrigger canoes on the beach, with the ajira bottle of water in it. So, they went to the future, in a time where the ajira flight was already there, so Locke had returned with the flight too, so there were two Locke at that time, or not? They didnt meet, but it was the same time, wasnt it?
Jonathan,
thank you for your post. it is indeed SO complicated but i agree since the fact that Rousseau and Jin have met now but in the past and didnt remember each other in the present/future, then the losties must have lived 1977 twice in 2 different ways. however, if the timeline works as a string, then the writers should be extremely careful not to change anythiing. Whereas, Kate will have to be aprehended as fugitive, Jack will have to lose his father again, etc etc. complicated complicated…
ps: very funny your post 352 “you are 100% wrong” hahaha !
mctama no offence
mctama, i dont think Ben can meet himself and that is the reason why he didnt travel through time. again the string theory, he cannot live twice.
Karen,
Radzinsky was first mentioned in earlier seasons, he was the one who started the blast door map, and during a flash back of the Swan when des asked Kelvin Innman about where he Radzinsky was Kelvin showed des a blood stain on the ceiling where he had shot himself.
In the last episode he was the guy in the flame that was building the model of the swan and wanted to just shoot Sayid.
Jonathan,
in response to post # 346, I think the 2nd timeline’s “2007″ should include the Sun and Frank on the main island when they meet Christian. It hasnt been confirmed, but I am totally gung ho about this alternate timeline theory.
Also, is nobody interested in that scene with Frank, Sun and Christian in the Dharma Rec room where they are looking at the photo when the doors blow open, and a figure briefly appears behind Sun?
I cant wrap my mind around that shit, and it seems like it is being completely ignored by everyone else on here.
Can I get some help on this? It has to be Claire in my book, simply because the last time we saw her, she was chilling with Christian in Jacobs cabin.
I need some feedback!!!
Also,
when Frank and Sun dock at the main island, does anyone else believe it couldve possibly been something other than Smoke Monster that shook the trees.
I just think it was something so small and too obvious to be smoke monster.
and if it was him, what was he doing there at the Barracks? He usually hangs outside the Sonic fence area. Unless he just stayed there since the last time Ben called him to fight Keamy and his guys.
Am I looking too deep into something that may mean nothing at all again?
Ben was a young adult… lets not get it twisted!
wasnt it his 18th birthday??? if so hardly an adult
His dad forgot to tell him happy birthday and that was the same day he killed his father…where are you all getting this stuff??????
by the way on the theory of Ben not being able to see hisself then why Sun….??? She isn’t back in 1977 to be able to see herself…
Jason, Ben was born on December 19 in the early 1960′s, so by the time of the purge(1992) he had like 30 years old, what makes him an adult.
Moohaha……to post 362, i recognized that at the dock on the main island too! But i think this was the smoke monster (what should it be else?) because always when the smoke monster appears somewhere or someHOW – like in this case after the movements in the trees it appears as C.Shephard in this cabin! And this strange door behind them what opened during they talked with C.Shephard was the strangest thing in this episode at all!!!! I´m honestly recognized nothing without maybe a light smoke behind, going out through the door, but i´m not sure at all!! There was def. something there but really hardly till not possibly to see!
Of course it could be Claire too, if you saw her what i did not!
By the way i mentioned nearly the same post earlier, so don´t believe nobody is thinking about this, that was such a strange scene which i will not forget so fast again!!
The scene with C.Sheppard and Sun at the end is very strange. For anyone that is interested this link is an enhanced image of the person in the background.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:509_sun_woman2.jpg
You can’t say for certain that the picture hasn’t been tampered with but I find Lostpedia usually is pretty good with that stuff.
Jason, RE: post 334
I see your point on Ben possibly being one of the so called good guys. Although depending on what you believe being one of the good guys is very relative.
In my mind the majority of your points though could be accounted for in Ben furthering his own cause or to manipulate someone else. Say for instance him leaving the island, this could have been just to manipulate Locke, which he did. He also left the island just after he killed Keamy which in turn blew up the boat and killed everyone on board(apparently expect for Jin, I still can’t let that go lol. To which his response to Locke was “so”. Granted temporary insanity would be a good defence since his (stolen) daughter was just killed. But with his track record I don’t think he would get the benefit of the doubt.
Again he very well may be a good guy as he claims but for now I still think he is a bad guy. I do have one question though, do we have confirmation that Ben committed the Genocide of the DI. It seems so long ago that I can’t remember what lets us believe that Ben committed the Purge.
Jones…Ben committed the purge, i think and i think we´re led to think that, Because he was the one who had to kill his fahter like Locke later in the future to become the new leader of the others. So like Ben in 92´ he gassed his father and the rest of the people from the barracks & and nearly all DI members to fullfill his destiny and become the new Others-Leader, remember shortly after the purge in othersville when all of the others came out of the bushes, Richard went at first to Ben and asked him what to do with his fahter, and when i´m remembering right he asked him like he asked his boss what to do next!?!? I hope you understand what i´m meaning!
Do you guys remember when Faraday and Charlotte first got to the island, they were playing cards and Charlotte asked Faraday < do you remember? then he said something like two out of three ain’t bad, as if they were both trying to remember these things they had done before.I think there is something to this.
C.P.L – Yeah I just thought it could have been something besides the Smoke, only because it seemed to be too obivous, but youre probably right, it was most likely just smoke monster.
Also, I remember what youre referring to with Ben and Richard after the purge, Ben was clearly the man in charge.
As for Ben being good or bad, its clear that he is a little bit of both, but no matter what he is, hes just a total piece of shit. Sun shouldve hit him again with the oar while he was down just to further her point.
Jones – yeah man, i saw that image on Lostpedia and it tripped me out. I still havent gone back to watch the actual episode to see if i can see it in the shot, but im sure its legit. Lostpedia is usually right on with their information.
One more note: This guy Ceasar seems like a total dork and i already think i hate him. – Hes also the guy who says (“what is the problem with Michael Jackson? The king of pop?”) What movie? anybody?
Thanks C.P.L,
I remember the episode now. I also remember now when Locke, Ben and Hurley are looking for Jacob’s cabin and find the mass grave site, Hurley asks Locke what happened and Locke reply’s “he did” pointing to Ben, and Ben doesn’t dispute it.
biglostfan,
I only seen that scene the first time I watched the episode but I sort of remember it as Faraday loosing his memory and needing to find his constant to keep the effects of the time travel at bay. After he turns to the page in the book that says that Des is his constant then he is ok again.
Oh and I think the Two out of three line was said by Charlotte in an attempt to calm Faraday down.
I can also see the scene playing out your way too though after everything that has happened since in this season. I never really thought of it that way before.
Moohaha
I went back to watch it and all though I was watching it in HD my settings on the TV were to dark to see it as clear as shown in the picture, and I am to lazy to go fooling around with stuff, I have my brightness set just the way I like it and thats the way it is going to say lol. I did notice what I would consider her hair (I assume because that is the brightest part of the picture) and at one point something passes over it (I assume is her fixing her hair with her hand).
I got my Fiancee to watch it with me and she said I was crazy though lol.
Did anyone notice how blue the picture got at the point where they are zoomed in on Sun’s face, I found it kind of creepy like she stepped into a horry film or something. I don’t remember the show using lighting like that before. Maybe they did it to hide the person in the background.
Also remember when we first see Faradays back story, we see him watching tv and crying because of a news story talking about oceanic 815 that had crashed, he says he doesn’t know why, I’m wondering if the crying has something to do with Charlotte dying, or if something really bad happens to the losties,or what? And also he looked pretty out of it when we saw him watching the news that day, if the plane crash just happened and he gets rounded up with the other freighter people to come to the island a couple months later, why then does he seem more together when we first see him on the island. Something is totally off about this. maybe he does get in the sub and leaves in 1977 and forgets everything OOOHHHH I don’t know, can anyone shed a different perspective on this?
another theory:
maybe Sawyer is the one that changed how the purge happened.
maybe because he went back in time and talked to Richard and told him that he was the one who killed his men and not the Dharma, so he kept the truce between them.
possibly in the original timeline Sawyer was never there to clear this up and that’s why the hostiles got hostile and purged the Dharma.
Faraday said you can’t change the future, but maybe you can change HOW the future happens?
could explain why the picture was hanging in the Dharma room that Christian took Sun and Frank into. I don’t rememeber that being there before. the purge probally still happens but in a different way.
But then with Sayid comming into the picture, he may help with the truce being broken, Dharma still thinking he is one of the hostels. We all know Sayid will not be quiet for long. how much do you really think he will take being pushed around, just not in his nature.
To Jason 365 post. I’ve wondered for 3 weeks why Sun have not travel to ’77 as Jack, Hurley, Kate and Sayid did (Locke was in a coffin).
About the Faraday’s “string theory”: When Locke stops the flashes and the time leaps finally stops in a time when Charlotte was a child in the island, she simply disappear.
Jonathan 356. Was the canoes found in the main island? (That would minds Ajira survivors will change the island)
To Karen post 358. Don’t worry, I was wrong but now I’m in truth again. I agree with you that this no-ending story is too complicated and would need 3 season more.. but that’s LOST.
Biglostfan,
Your theory “you can change the future but you can change how the future happens” is very interesting, but if you change the purge date to 1977, 15 years before, in fact you change the life of all Dharma Initiative members. (a lot of) I wanted that they were in this moment too, but I now think 1977 will be probably the incident year.
Nonetheless I understand your thoughts, I don’t know what the losties do in 1977 if they can change nothing at all. It have no sense for me.
Karen,
If the reason why Ben didn’t travel through time is he can’t meet himself, that would minds that Sun was in the island in 1977, too ???
Mctama, the canoes that they found in that previous episode were on the smaller island, not in the main island. They took them to try to reach the main island.
OK…I watched “man behind the curtain” again…. Thank you everyone that set me straight on the Ben age during the purge and year…Yes…he was definately not a teenager(or 18 as I put it earlier) The Purge however has not ben totally confirmed that Ben mastermind it or let alone ignighted the release from the Hydrastation. All we know thus far is Ben admitted to Locke (before) he shot him in the back that he made to kill off the DI. Which could lead us to think that ben Mastermind it…. etc, etc. (Ben also said he was born on the island so keep that in mind…he wasn’t)…Eitherway….In this episode Ben and Alpert have their watches on and appear to have them syncronized which could elude to Alpert being in one place and Ben being with his father and killing him at the same time as the release from the Hydra station…..
I feel in time we may discover that Locke may have told “his people” that is what needs to be done….
You all say what you want…the DI are the bad guys…..
What I did like about the Man Behind the Curtain…of which I forgot about, was seeing Alpert in his ratty tatty clothes and long hair…I am curious to wonder if this is because he was an originally from the Blackrock.
Moohama, I think Ceasar is just another survivors leader. So lost as Jack was. And finally it seems the true Jack’s role is just to be a coffins deliver. The super-doctor with magic powers…though he don’t already know and he still wanna fight with Saywer for leadership. And both girls. (in this perfect double triangle) Ceasar is another macho-man, a dominant male in the new losties’ flock..
That’s my last. I promise. Sleep time in this strip of the world…
Hey
After the episode i began to thought a little bit more about Radzinsky, if he was maybe the smart mathematician what discovered the island or was he only a DI member, maybe the man who worked before Mikhail at the communication station (if i´m right, it´s called the “flame”)!!??
I guess that the understanding of lost space/time travels divides people in two groups, and this example defines their toughts:
– the ones who believe that the portrait of 77 that Christian Showed Sun in 2007 was already there when the others lived in the barracks last seasons.
– the ones who think that version of the picture not yet exist yet at that time because the castaways in question had not yet traveled back in time. I am in this group.
mctama,…interesting insight on Jack. I would like to hear (read more) as to how you may come to this conclusion. You may be on to something or maybe not..but I’m still interested…would you mind sharing more?
For me Jack, and Locke will end somehow being the 2 more prominant “leaders”…
Jack “Shepard”…similar to a Christ like Charactor
John Locke….similar to a John the Baptist like charactor
Besides an number of examples I could give as to what leads me to Jack being a Destined leader the one that stands out for me is the one when he got his tattoo…season 3 “Stranger in a Strange land” It is revealed his tattoo says “He walks amoungst us but he is not one of us” and the woman who gave him the tattoo told him he was a great leader….
So could the episode been for nothing?????
Moohaha – the woman behind sun, lapidus and christian was mentionned before. you need to catch up
something that HAS been left out is the voices. what are the voices???? i thought it could be when past and present mix. I.e. Jack and kate, etc were in this place at the same time but in another timeline when Sun and Frank got there.
Jones,
thanks for the link, post 368 ! who else doesn’t think its claire ? it doesn’t look like Claire to me
frankly i have always thought that jack sucks as a leader and that the leader should have always been John Locke
Karen,
Def. can’t say for certain that it is Claire but considering that she has been seen in the same sort of situation with Locke in the cabin, I wouldn’t bet against it.
Jason,
I do sort of agree with you on the DI not being good. In any war or conflict, like I said in previous posts, both sides would see there selves as the good guys. In this case its a show so we are outside observers, but we can only go on parts of the story that the writers have given us thus far. It is believed that Ben and the Hostiles committed the Purge so in my mind that makes them bad. On the other hand the DI seem to have come to the island unwelcome, and continue to stay and expand (the building of extra stations), I think you already made reference to the type of historical relationship that this mimics so I will not go into that. To me this makes the DI bad, but not as bad as the hostiles, YET!!
We really do have to wait for the story to unfold.
jonathan,
for now I am in part of the ones who believe that the portrait of 77 that Christian Showed Sun in 2007 was already there when the others lived in the barracks last seasons.
My only real reason for this is the scene with J.Burke last season (I think), when someone says something like “Well no wonder, you look just like her”. I also think that the reason all the others were looking at her like how she described it “like I’m a rockstar” is because she was recently there as the person how traveled back to 1977.
I don’t trust her though and think that she is still working as a sleeper for Ben, lol.
Jason, “Jack as the coffin deliver” was just a night time joke but twice is a trend.. and he absolutely have curative powers. Nonetheless I agree he is a leader anyway. I didn’t remember the tattoo (and we don’t know “what minds”) But the oceanic 6 back to the island because Jack decides to back. Locke knew that he need to persuade only one person. From the beginning Jack is his big (and last) bet. After all, Jack finally believes and the rest follow him. Tough maybe he sucks as a leader like Karen write..
My last: S. John the Baptist arrived before Christ, and he baptized the Messiah.. Here we would be in wrong way
I have no real tangible reasons why but I think the Di will end up being the bad guys. Although it really could unfold either way. We will def have to see what goes on.
The hostiles really do seem like the bad ones but I think it is probably all a twist somewhere.
I do think Jack is going to be the leader. It seems many times before this has been hinted at. The tattoo episode, the episode when hawking tells him he has a different objective or something. Plus he has lead them this far already.
Jones – you say the hostiles are bad because of the purge as they killed all of the DI. But consider how many people Luke Skywalker killed when he blew up the death star many of whom would have been ordinary workers who had never harmed anyone. Lives were sacrificed for the greater good.
I’m not convinced the tattoos have as much meaning in the show as some others on here think. They are the actors not Jack’s tattoos and I think the writers just had to come up with some story as to why a doctor would have so many tattoos as this is quite untypical for a doctor. Thus they showed us why he got them and gave us the meaning of them so they made sense to us i.e. he is a leader, which he was at the time, rather than being a major part of the show.
One final thing is that the lost podcast is out in which the writers own up to a mistake in the birth date of Charlotte, which explains that the little girl we saw in LaFleur was her. It’s on iTunes and lostpedia so I recommend it.
‘Lost’ exclusive: War erupts over Charlotte’s real age!
Mar 23, 2009, 09:34 PM | by Michael Ausiello
Categories: Lost
An ugly dispute between Rebecca Mader and her former Lost bosses over the correct age of her late character, Charlotte, appears to have been settled. Thanks, in part, to, well, me.
But first, let’s flash back to the most recent Lost podcast, during which exec producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse — in attempting to explain how Faraday could have seen a young Charlotte in 1974 when she wasn’t born until 1979 — alleged that Mader changed the age of her character from 28 to 37 in an earlier script “because she did not really want to brand herself as 37, which is what she would have had to been had we stuck to the initial script.”
Mader fired back on her Facebook page, accusing Team Darlton of throwing her under the bus. “The timeline error was their mistake,” she harrumphed, “and they are making it out to be my fault. Not cool.”
Reached for comment this evening, D&C now concede that they got their facts wrong. “Rebecca is absolutely right and we apologize to both her and the entire fan community for screwing up the story,” the pair said in a joint email. “By way of explanation, here’s what happened:
There were a gazillion questions about the timeline discrepancy in that young Charlotte clearly exists in 1974, but wasn’t supposed to be born until 1979, per a single line of dialogue courtesy of Ben back in episode #402. When we inquired as to how this happened, the intel came back that we used Rebecca Mader’s birthday, July 2, 1979 because she was actually eight years YOUNGER than the character as originally conceived/scripted. We misremembered this as having come from Rebecca herself on the set, but in fact, it came several days earlier when our continuity expert Gregg Nations pointed it out and suggested using Rebecca’s actual birthday for Charlotte. And so, the mistake was OURS. Rebecca’s production draft DID have the date as being 1979.
Our first mistake was the timeline gaffe, but the much more significant one was wrapping Rebecca up in this when she had nothing to do with it. Not her fault on any level. It was our bad. One hundred percent. We will say as much in a very special “Eating Crow” edition of our Podcast tomorrow. Speaking of which, what a wonderful world we live in where we can make a comment in a Podcast that triggers a response on someone’s Facebook page and that triggers a mea culpa on someone else’s blog. Ah, technology.”
mctama…I realized that after I posted… I thought you were…Mine meant to have have a sloght humor to it as well…my humor is hard to catch…sorry.
mctama: I thought about why those certain people haven’t travelled back in time, maybe it was because they all hold something from that time. Sun has the wedding ring. John has Christain Shepherd’s shoes on…maybe we’re still waiting to see what Sayid has. Ben does his own shady stuff….Frank may have had something…and the rest were never originally on the island. I know it sounds a bit farfetched, though.
Wolowitz, Post 391
That is exactly my point, that I guess I didn’t make that clear. In regards to your reference we see the story from Luke’s side and he is a hero even though he may have killed a lot of people (although if you sign up to go on a ship called the death star I don’t think your intensions are really good), I’m sure if the story was flipped and we are told it from the other side and are not told the whole time that vader is on the dark side, the jedi’s would have looked bad. That is another topic so I will end my Star Wars talking there.
Thanks for the story again Jonathan.
As for why Sun, Ben, Locke and Frank are in a different time I really don’t know why. I have my doubts about the ring and the shoes being the answer but who knows.