Thanks for those – enjoy your hols!

good vacations. we miss you very much. You can watch it in streaming like most of us must do. Take it easy in the travel plain..

Wow. I can’t wait. I have to assume, however, that Daniel is wrong in saying that whatever time period they are in is final. Locke (or someone) will turn the donkey wheel again!!!!

Jason. Wow. This is why I enjoy your posts– you have a crazy but somewhat sane imaginiation!!!! I hope you take that as a compliment!!!!

I don’t know if the bird deal is bogus or not, but if it becomes true you are brilliant. We’ve heard the “Hurley Bird” a few times (in the present), so it has to have some meaning.

I think this week we’ll find out that the time the losties have stopped in is Dharma time. It probably means that anybody their age would be much older in real time, if you get me? I guess that it could be Sawyers mom or someone from his past.

I think the losties will have joined dharma as a way of survival. If they’re on the island pre purge then they’re stuck between the others and dharma. It might be easy enough to blend in with dharma people or just say they’re new recruits or something. They might have found uniforms and taken on the uniforms identities? Perhaps la fleur is just a fake identity for sawyer or someone?

Jason very upset to hear lost won’t be back for another 2 weeks!!!

Scott enjoy your holidays!

I think bag girl could be Libby. But to hear the voice to me it sounds like Ben’s daughter, even though on a TV clip it looked as though she had lighter hair.
Should be great.

Marco maybe lost writers are racist? Serioisly i don’t know, at first i thought it was just sweat but it does stand out when i replayed. Any ideas guys? I never saw jins star!

Well they are def back in Dharma time. We know that because of the Dharma van that Jin rode up in last week. Plus the clothes he was wearing. Also in these scenes its obvious that they are on the island with other people. The clothing of the two guys with the girl look like others clothing not Dharma. Maybe they kill these guys and join Dharma. Maybe the war is Dharma vs Others all over again.
They are def in a time period when dharma and others are on the island.

jason….if the thing with the bird comes tru I will assume you work for the show!!! I do not even remember the hurley bird…refresh my memory.

Then there is a two week break. That sucks!

Marco- I pointed out Jin’s star in a post for This Place is Death, but no one else commented on it. It was so obvious. ON his right shoulder, I believe, and I do not remember seeing it when he was on the freighter in season 4. It has to mean something, and especialy now with a moon on Miles. Good catch.

Adam– The Hurley bird is the massive greenish-gray bird that schreetchess Hurley’s name in Exodus Part II when they came back from getting the dynamite from the black rock to blow the hatch. If I recall it was right before smokey came. The second time was in Live Together, Die Alone. And, I will also asume that Jason works for Lost if his prediction comes true!!!!

Adam and Jason you guys are joined no 1 posters!!!

Good idea Shaw!

^^^^^ WOW!!!

it makes sense….don’t think that’s a big spoiler though.
I did see the still pictures of the pregnant chic…..i’m sorry…woman.

The Hurley bird…so stupid…but now I remember.

Does the logo on Miles and Jin mean anything??? I’m guessing they will be insignificant overall….but im a pessimist.

My friend saw these pics ardound nov-dec and didn’t think anything of it. I hope tonight is a good one.

I’m going to be in Argentina, Chile, and Peru. Won’t have much access to internet or TV so I think I’ll have to catch Lost when I get back.

hey guys it cant be libby coz she was shot by michael u remember!! if those are others it could be any time coz they keep wearing the same old crappy cloths so if they moved to another time it could be in line with the oceanic6lockenben group hehe

this episode sucked a phat one!!!

the only things that were remotely cool were

charlotte as a little girl
sawyer and juliette finally had the sex we all knew they would
the island time started moving at the same pace as off island time….hence the three years going by.

they are all on the same time..no one on either island is in a different time period…they are all in 1974
a richard alpert sighting

that episode was horrible. and in the US they billed it as finally the thing we have all been waiting for, the people get reunited. they saw each other for 12 seconds. bullshit…that episode was total crap! waste of an hour.

anyone thinking otherwise is yipped up on mountain dew.

I also enjoyed this episode. Actually have loved this season of episodes. Getting to see Sawyer as a hero and an overall good guy was worth the episode not showing us much of the Oceanic 6. We have all known he was a good guy, but the writers have been trying to cover it up for 5 season.

well some some seemed to be closer to an answer….but half way there to support certain theories….don’t want to say them cause one…I will accused of working for the show…but more importantly its just too much to type…I agree with Adam…pretty lame…. but maybe not as lame as Adam put it…but I did have a suspicion it was not going to be as well as the others…me I put it up there with Jughead.

Now I did admire the Sawyer bit…even the Sawyer Juliet thing….

The episode gave more support in understanding why certain people were on Jacobs list… Seems it supports them being there before (though this does not seem to hold account for the first group of people snatched in season 2) Eitherway…we understand Juliette being brought…she had been there before and was successful in her well you know(for those that have seen it)….

Support Sawyers reason for being there and his past upbringing as a child….he can lie.

the rest….we have to wait.

I don’t appreciate (though I know why) the misguided direction in the advertisement of who was under the hood…I felt cheated. Coupled with Sawyers comment about 3years and when he said it in the context of the scene you knew what was coming soon after… or better yet who…(lame)

But one thing I did admire was a glimpse of the statue. Which I bet will have a link some how to Jack’s purpose. Speaking of Jack. I did also admire to look on his face when getting out the van…He actually seemed at peace.

Charlotte thing was cool…then when I thought about it twisted…so does this mean he is hot for a 4 to 6 year old???? Couldn’t get that thought out of my head…

Though the Sawyer Juliette thing was anticipated I was still upset….I’m a Juliack not a Jake….but I understand why the writters did it…im just in denial.

Oh….another thing that started to come to mind when seeing Horace is Ben in the future kills his A$$….I wonder why??? come into my head…and when Ben did this was he also trying to kill off the Losties…was he actually doing something good??? Or did ben just want to be leader? And what happens when little Ben arrives on the island…will they all give him a wooping for being bad in the future?

I don’t know??? I will have to watch it again tomorrow

goood episode, I wish there was one next week, o well. I wonder why Jin pulls his gun on Sayid??? Sucks that Sawyer will have to get over Kate once again. I wish they could have stayed in the time with the huge statue.

When Sawyer told Juliet that if she leaves the island in 1974 she would be in 1974 in the real world, he is wrong.
It would be 2009. I am wrong?

First time i agree with Adam, i didnt like the episode that much.

More and more references to egyptians(hieroglyphs, necklace, statue…)

CabDriver: to answer your main question… if Juliet or richard or whoever you want answered all those questions… there’d be no more mystery and LOST wouldnt be LOST. thats why. its a TV show, not extreme reality. No one probably realllly knows whats going on except Ben and Richard.
Jonathan: I agree, its probably Ethan, which is why he was so intrested in Claire’s baby and such. i dunno, just a theory. Either way… when they drop that name, its gonna be huge.

I don´t think the baby is Ethan, he was only so interested in the babys because he was responsible for them, before Juliet came!

I think the baby could be Sawyer, i know he was there and….blabla; but he was the one saving Amy´s ass like Horace ass, so i think they will name the baby after him!!!!

Otherwise i have NO IDEA!!!

The whole show is setting up for the last three episodes. Giving you next to nothing along the way. It’s not cool. I’m glad theres a two week break.

Adam….i almost agree with you, But don´t be so tough with the show, it was only a Bad episode and not a bad season!!

Good point about Faraday, where is the man? They showed what happened with sawyer, juliet, miles and jin but notthing about Faraday, maybe he ran over to the “others”??

So now we have three groups on the island, the D.I., the others and the new losties, ohh..of course the old losties! F… that, it´s becoming to complicated!! Who is good and who is bad, who the hell knows!

Can anyone tell me what the hell that statue is?? Maybe I missed something in another season… I was like whaa? then I was like huh?? f*ck*N random lol. it probably makes perfect sense but not to me right now.

Biglostfan – Richard had long hair when he first met Ben in The Man Behind the Curtain.

Hi folks. I don’t think it is reasonable to expect every single episode to be a mind-blowing extraordinay thing. There are still 9 or so episode this season, and 17 the next. If we got all the answers at once, where would be the fun in that??

Adam- Sorry to see you are so upset. Your posts were a lot more fun (and informative) in the past.

Having said all that, I liked the episode. They seem to be giving us necessary background information so there are not too many gaping holes in the story, and to explain other events. The show has also gotten back to being focused on chracters, which, quite frankly, is a nice break from all this time travel stuff.

I agree that the scenes for this episode were somewhat misleading, but when has Lost ever shot straight?? Maybe too much analysis on our part. Assuming Horrace’s baby was born in 1977, then when the Losties crashed the baby will be around 27. Ethan seemed a lot older than 27 to me, so I do not think it is him.

Anyway my fellow Losties, we have a long wait until the next episode, and I am confident the answers will come, but slowly. I expect to be blown away, so will not give up on the show or the way they are presenting things. So until then I will happily remain totallylost!!!!!

The statue can be of Anubis, and egyptian god.

Check this out and compare.

First, the statue from the show, then Anubis image.

Note that Anubis is known for holding in his hand something with the same symbol of the necklace Paul was wearing(check image in the second link).

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/pt/images/6/68/FourToedFull.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anubis

Finally some hints on this damned 4-toed statue

yea but jack Kate Hurley etc are back in the dharma days as we saw them with Sawyer and Jin at the end of this episode. Ceasar said that Hurley disappeared from the plane and that other people disappeared also. Why would Kate, Jack and Hurley go to one time and Sun, Sayid and Frank to another time. Plus Ceasar said Frank and a girl (prob Sun) ran off with a boat in the middle of the night.
Last but not least next weeks coming attraction show a scene with Sayid Sawyer and Jin in the same scene. So they would have to be in the same time period. When the island moved there was a radius that everything within it moved. presumably the other island with it. So everything then went through the flashes and now everything has stopped.

I think there is more evidence that supports my theory than yours. I actually don’t if anything supports yours other than just conjecture. If I’m wrong I’ll be the first to admit it tho.

As far as Ben and his father they do arrive on the island but who knows if they’ve arrived yet? Plus on a big island you could avoid if you had to.

Also if this is pre-purge than Docotor Halliwax/Candle/Waxman is on the island now. It would be cool to see him act in a scene then a Dharma video.

I read somewhere that the statue may be of Anubis, one of those Egyptian type figures with the head of a dog and the body of a human.

There has been such a huge influx of references to Egypt in this season so far. What is this all getting at?

Also, in the next episode, we are finally going to meet a character that has never been seen, only referenced to since season 2? I dont want to post it on here, in case not everyone wants to know. But if your curious you can check out the press release for the next episode on the Lostpedia site.

The necklace looks familar to me too but i think its just a common symbol.

I still think people are in different timelines. When the first flash happened the losties moved but not the others who locke was with.

I think sawyer and juliet ending up together is crap.

I wonder if amy became pregnant on the island or off? If women are able to conceive and give birth on island could the events of the purge change that??

I read somewhere that in the bible when benjamins tribe were banished they weren’t able to produce children and kidnapped women and children from other tribes to have children. Does anyone know if thats right? Is it possible that the outcome of the purge meant the island couldn’t reproduce?

Also i thought olivia goodspeed was horaces wife? Does that mean she and horace have split or horace and amy are about to split or is olivia (the schoolteacher to ben and annies class) his sister?

moohaha could it be radzinsky?

(Sorry, I meant four toes)

Scott, where in South America are you going to?
I,m from Brazil, its worth a visit….

Well I hope he doesn’t get LOST!!!!! He probably is really going to Hawaii to work on the set…..

OK….here goes I watched the episode online….Man did I miss a lot and I was waaaaayyy offffff. It actually was a very poetic episode. Coupled with that a lot of off handed things were said to possibly set up some stuff and get us to think about what could happen…. I have some good theories I will share soon.

One comment that stood out was a conversation between Richard and Horace. Richard said about the sonic fence, “It may keep things out but not us”. Reference to Smokie…this is a first by Richard.

The statue definately looks Egyption…you will also see in the right hand of the sculpture it is holding the same staff as the necklass ornament…..

there’s a few more things I caught but will post later.

Sorry, i missed that previous post from Scott sayng his destinations.

About Charlotte, it really seemed that she is the little girl Faraday saw in 1974, even tough Ben once said that she was born in july, 2, 1979. Maybe Ben lied as always, dont know.

Jason, i also believe that the fence protected them from smokie.To see…

Who would be Annie, Ben’s friend ? She appears a lot in ”the man behind the curtain”.

Also, in this episode, it seems like Horace was the leader of the Dharma people. Where is this Dr. Chang, I thought he was in charge, or does he not stay in the barracks?

I also think Horace might end up being the guy eloise was talking about as a great mind. on the internet it says he’s a mathmetician….

About polar bears, it seems like they kept them in cages, as those dharma guys said, and possibly later trained them to turn the wheel…so thats why one of them was found in Tunysia by Charlotte. Crazy, perhaps, but that´s lost.

Jonathan- Great thought about the polar bear and the wheel. That is one of the best explanations I’ve heard as to how it got to Tunisia. Perhaps they used the bear as a test before they actually sent an individual through. Let’s not forget the Widmore knew of the exit point (because he had a camera there) so perhaps he was one of the first ones to use it after the bear. I am beginning to think that like Jason, you are a writer for the show!!!

Anyway, Moohaha– thanks for the reminder that we don’t know anything about Desmond’s background, whereas we do for most of the regulars. Anything is possible.

About Amy’s insistence of burying the two guys who shot her husband. Why?? I am thinking back to season 4 when Carl and Danielle were killed by Keammy’s men. Shortly thereafter Miles and the gang came by and found them buried. Well, who buried them and why? Surley it was not Keammy’s men because they were on the way to get Ben with their hostge (Alex). Why would they care anyway, as it is not like they were trying to hide what they were doing. My only other thought is that since Carl and Danielle were near the temple, the others, who were already there, buried them. Perhaps it was to keep Smokey happy. So, when I think of Amy’s insitence on burying her husband’s murderers, it makes me think that burying people has some yet to be revealed importance, and somehow it may be connected to Miles (who also found the 4 buried US soldiers in Jughead, and insited on getting Naomi’s body off the island). Maybe burial prevents resurrection?? I know, outlandish, but with Lost you never know.

As for Horace, to get dynamite and throw it at trees (while you are trashed) is a little suspicious to me. There has to be something else that set this guy off than the lame explanation he gave to Sawyer.

I am also with the others above who are wondering where Olivia, Horace’s wife is. The timing is screwy. He meets Ben just after He is born at the side of the road in Portland. He see Ben again 12 years or so later when Ben comes to the island. So does that mean that this whole deal with Amy happened before He met Ben or after?? Who knows. I am admittedly confused.

Oh forgot Charlotte was born 1979.

Man Jonathan you have got to be right on it!….Which I am sure takes into account Ben tricking Widmore off the island then moving the island…. Now…with that being said how is it that Charlotte ends up off the island. I can’t wait to find out!

Another thing about this episode that hit me after watching it a second time….was the meeting between Sawyer and Richard. It just made more sence for some reason…don’t know why….but I thought about the time when Richard gave Locke the file on Sawyer…..Richard Always new who the heck Sawyer was and had been anticipating his arrival….Which then leads me to think about when he did that it appeared to be Richard leading the Others behind Ben’s back (reqruiting Locke etc etc or the understanding of this being a possibility)…We always know Ben is a step ahead of everyone…but could it be Richard is really a step ahead of Ben. OOOOOooooorrrr……is Ben and Richard actually working together all this time to get the Losties to their Destiny for the sake of the Island? I still feel Widmore is bad and Ben is good… but is so aware that people just won’t understand everything yet if told the truth.

However encase Ben is bad…it has been set up to be this way as well.

But if Ben is Bad…then why would they not kill him when he arrives to the island as a boy? My guess is Widmore makes it to the island some how or is already there when Ben is a boy and Widmore…

Also for some reason they are all still on the island when baby Ben arrives does he have a HUGE crush on Juliette? aaaannnddd is this the real reason Ben told her…”YOU are MINE!” And if so….she too never knew she had already been on the island. Remember when she arrived people were staring at her(the same way they stared at Lock) and that one lady slipped and try to say well he probably likes you because you look like her….but the lady said….Ben’s mom… But was she really about to slipup because she too knew Juliette had been there before??? This is all just speculation everyone.

I also like how they threw in there that Amy was suppose to be on the sub two weeks ago or be leaving in two weeks to delivor the baby…. this allows us to understand that woman may have always had a problem delivoring on the island….

OK my theory on Hurley is wrong….come to findout he will be a Darma Chef. but you still never know if he befriends a Bird…LOL.

Johathan– Wow on that crazy theory about Jack. Now that I think back (and I will go back and look), it was strange that Jack was in the Bamboo when everyone else landed on the beach (except the Pilot who was in the plane in the jungle). Kate was also out in the jungle, but I think she went there to get out of the cuffs as opposed to landing there like Jack. Now to have Jack land in the same place again. Definately not a cooincidence.

Jason- Man oh Man regarding the Julietee stuff. I am going to go back and look at that episode again. I am now wondering how many of the Losites may have been on the island before.

I am a bit “lost”!! Can someone confirm for me — Jack, Kate and Hurley are now back on the island in 1974 time with Sawyer, Jin, Daniel, Juliet and Miles (who are all living with the D.I.). Locke and Ben are in 2008 time with the other survivors of the crash of the flight to Guam.

IIRC, Sun did not go with them on the flight?? Is Aaron with Sun?? What about Sayyid, where is he? was he on the Guam flight? Someone please clarify, thanks!

Interesting because i had always seen that but always thought of it as just something from the plane…. It looks thicker then what ben carries around though and appears to be more of a container….

wait a minute — in the episode in which we see Locke alive back on the island (“this is the best mango i’ve ever eaten” or something like that), he is with a bunch of other people who crashed with the O6 (at least some of whom seem a bit suspicious of him because they don’t remember seeing him on the plane). We are introduced to one of them when he is seen rummaging around in New Otherton, and he finds a loaded shotgun. I presumed that this was because New Otherton was empty, and this was because it was back in 2008, AFTER Richard and the others have all left New Otherton for the temple. If Locke and Ben are with Sawyer/Juliet/Daniel/Miles etc. in 1974, then how is it that the plane crash guy was able to stroll into New Otherton and stroll around without being disturbed?

One other thought, when Amy claimed to have turned off the sonic fence, and then everyone walked through and became incapacitated, I remembered how When Locke had pushed Mikhail through, it appeared to have killed him, but he lived.

So Im guessing there are deifferent setting on this thing that are lethal and non-lethal. IF that is the case, what the hell is point of that? Because if you remember, when Mikhail was pushed through, his ears starting bleeding and he began foaming at the mouth badly before he went unconscious.

Just something I noticed that bugged me a little.

Scott, hope you’re enjoying Chile. I lived there for 18 years of my life !

Where has daniel disappeared to in this episode? Is he dead or just gone?

Does anyone remember Harper telling juliet that ben liked juliet because she looked just like ‘her’??? Could the her actually be juliet??

I think this living in dharma time is going to come to a climax. When ben arrives its going to be interesting, i wonder if they might consider killing him off. Ben seemed a really cute kid, maybe something will happen to him to change him too?

lolo – good observation! i think that we just didnt see him, maybe no scene relevant with him. he must be there somewhere EXCELLENT observation about Harper and the HER. of course, Juliet was the woman Ben knew as a child! totally makes sense! i hope that dharma will change the course of time and kill ben because they seem like a really peaceful and nice community…

Jason, thanks for that.

if some one has already brought this up…lol sorry..kinda
slllow.

cheers

Lolo-Post 85

Robb-I think you just might be on to something.

Adam-Dude I have no idea why???? Maybe Jack really can control Smokey and he has no idea and maybe Smokie was actually helping in some strange twisted way…especially if what we are really watching is a loop in time????

I heard that too in an interview…Infact if i’m not mistaken it in the extra bits for the Season 1 DVD. They had also stated Jack was supposed to die in the first episode….hmmmm maybe this will still happen. I agree I feel the show is centered around him. His tattoos (which are actually his reall tats) lead to this as well. Are you familiar with all poem that the tats reference?

I take my theory back on the statue being jack… Not sure Juliette either…. but I do feel it’s one of the Egytian Gods…

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.kenseamedia.com/egyptian_gods/images/seth_thothmes3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.kenseamedia.com/egyptian_gods/seth_triad.htm&usg=__pxha3F3VXgLA1Uv8OzRyI6tkyOU=&h=426&w=425&sz=92&hl=en&start=64&um=1&tbnid=H6jfCqiiuDHRMM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=126&prev=/images%3Fq%3Degyptian%2Bgod%2Bsobek%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D63%26um%3D1

I loved when sawyer said something about let me go out to talk to mr eyeliner!!!

Adam…You watch the episode again yet??? If so…you still think it sucks????

I just looked around for the next episode “Namaste”; seems to be a great one, at least cause we´ll see for the first time this Radzinsky guy who is a DI member! We´ll see too Dr. Candle (hopefully in real and not in a video again!).

Namaste is like Welcome in japanese when i´m not wrong, so i hope we will get a lot of DI stuff to see and so more answers about dharma..etc..!!

ohh..young Ben is too in the next ep., so i guess it will be a Ben centred episode?!?!?

Totallylost, i was thinking about what you said regarding burying the bodies, there´s certainly something about it.They insisted so much about burying the bodies in last episode.

Maybe it could be that when a body is left on the island,
if it isn’t buried,or buried deep enough , it will be taken by the black smoke monster and used, like Yemi, Ecko’s brother.

Remember that before dying he saw his brother, and Yemi asked him :do you think i’m your brother?, or something like that. Also Rosseau’s boyfriend who she killed, saying it wasnt him.

This explains why they had to bury the bodies? otherwise the monster will take them?

Jason, about the sonic fence and the monster, , in season 3 , episode ”left behind”, Kate and Juliet are pursuited by the monster, and as they enter the fence area and activate it, the monster is repelled and goes back to the jungle.

Still about smokie, this next part was taken from lostepdia:

”The Monster can apparently be summoned, controlled, and/or directed by Ben via an apparently ancient, secret room inside Ben’s house at the Barracks. Ben was able to call upon the Monster to attack Keamy and his mercenaries by going into the secret room of the house, then going into another older room with a stone doorway. (“The Shape of Things to Come”)

The DHARMA Initiative apparently knew of this room, and possibly its control over the Monster, since they originally built the Barracks. The positioning of the house on top of an older structure, and the subsequent construction of one secret room leading to another, seems intentional, rather than coincidental. (“The Man Behind the Curtain”)

Also, the entrance to the secret room had an ancient-looking stone doorway carved with hieroglyphs, implying that the Monster pre-dates even the DHARMA Initiative. (“The Shape of Things to Come”) .

Cerberus
Jigsaw puzzle glow-in-the-dark blast door map with “CV” referencesOn the blast door map, several cryptic notations describe a “Cerberus system” along with four instances of the initials “CV”.

The producers of the show confirmed at Comic-Con 2007 that Radzinsky and Kelvin used the term “Cerberus” to refer to the Monster and that “CV” stands for “Cerberus Vents”.

The Official Jigsaw Puzzles also revealed that the “CV” notations on the blast door map stand for “Cerberus Vent”. It is assumed that the “vents” Radzinsky and Kelvin were referring to are underground passageways used by the Monster, such as the hole that Locke was nearly pulled into. (“Exodus, Part 2″).

C.P.L…you may be on to something about it not being Egyptian… we will have to see….

Lost has been however,,,, teasing us with Egyptian imagery…hyrogriphics in darma station countdown, temple wall, Hurley painting…CPL…you find this interestion…

http://lost.about.com/

Has anyone read this?:

http://www.theoriesonlost.com/2009/02/the-four-toed-statue/

Here is a larger promo pic from a different site:

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/2900000/Season-5-Promo-Shot-HD-3000×1876-lost-2973752-2560-1601.jpg

Jason thanks man for the very informative link!!! I hope we will get more to see about who have built the statue, the temples and other strange things on that island. Actually when the losties have to go back to their time (correct?) they could land for a short moment back again in that time were the statue existed!?

I dont know if you guys watched these mobisodes, 13 of them.
The first one is quite intriguing, showing Christian Sheppard.
Just wait the videos to load.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index

Also ( sorry for the double post) Faraday said now whatever happens happens, so they could change the outcome of the purge, i think.

Not to change the subject….

but i think its fair to assume now that Rose and Bernard are the “Adam and Eve” from the caves.

Does anybody else share this theory?

I mean, they are most likely dead. If Sawyer and Co. barely survived the time flashes, and then another 3 years on the “1977″ island era, are we to believe that Rose and Bern fended for themselves for this long.

I believe that after the flashes stopped, they headed to the caves because it was familiar, as Rose had lived there during season 1, and they believed they could just hole up there for as long as it took. Eventually dying together peacefully. Only to be discovered years later by the original Losties

Is it not technically 1981 now??
Seeing as tho it was 1978 when Juliette said she was going home on the sub, now 3 years on will bring it to 1981.

So Horace’s baby is born 1981!!

jonathan thanks for the missing pieces. I saw them with the box set. The one where Jin loses it. Hilarious!!!

What do we know about Boone’s Dad???
What do we know about Boone’s past??

The date fits

He was the first main character to die, maybe this has some significance.

His mother was married to Shannon’s father, who died.
No mention of his real father at all!!!

It has to be!!! lol

Hey Blacky564, you might be on to something. have you every counted how many of our beloved losties were adopted, ( the ones we know anyway) the majority has or was, I betcha there’s something to that, at least having one adopted parent. Kate, Locke, Boone & Shannon, Walt, Sawyer maybe(didn’t his parents knock off when he was young, had to of been adopted ). everyone has really had some parent issues.

I’m having a hard time wrapping around the baby being Boone. They flashed back to 1974 and then jumped 3 years in the future, which would be 1977. So we are still 3 years earlier than Boone’s birth in 1981. Right?

Richard –

youre right, we dont know if they survived the arrow attack. However, I just assumed they (the writers/producers) wouldnt have just killed off rose and bernard without any indication.

They cant be dead yet!!!

Blacky564….your wrong with the date – they are now after the three years in 1977, like -Roni- mentioned before!!!

So it isn´t Boone! I would say Desmond but isn´t he too old?
My first thought was dead chalie, but i´m not sure anymore because it could be everybody, even someone we only saw once a time!

Look…its just not Boone…

Guys, i’ve said it before and reassure now :
the baby is ETHAN.

The year is 1977.
But for Locke and those who crashed, i dont think so.

Rose and Bernard survived the arrow attack.

Jones – in reference to the “bury within 108 minutes” maybe entering the numbers kept them in a time loop? that’s why they had to bury them? just a thought…

Dana – good thought, as always in lost we are just going to have to wait until it unfolds. I have been finding that the time loop thoughts have been becoming more and more frequent.

I don’t think amy and Horace’s baby is Boone. Possibly Ethan but then again maybe the baby starts playing around in the orchid and gets sent to a different time. That way it could be just about anyone on the show. Don’t think the writers would do that to us though.

biglostfan, I took the below from lostpedia:
“You all, everybody
You all, everybody
Acting like you’re stupid people
Wearing your ’spensive clothes
You all, everybody
You all, everybody
You all, everybody”

I’m very open to other peoples ideas and theories but the baby being Boone or Ethan just doesn’t seem likely. I would have to say the babie isnt them.
I don’t know what either of those characters bring to the show at this point. I think the baby has to be a character like faraday, desmond, sawyer, etc…

i guess it could be anyone tho.

Hey guys, here another topic. The DI built the orchide but they never went into the chamber where the wheel is, like Dr. Candle said when they found the chamber during they were digging in the ungerground (ep. 5×01), and when Ben put all this metall stuff in this little chamber to make a way through to the wheel. So there was no one even not the DI who went into this room before Ben. The point is the DI were able to send bunnys and polarbears through time so they did this for sure with humans too! They maybe tried to change the past and so they maybe effect the “incident”. I thought once that this “incident” could be somehow related to Jacob…or it is because of him!

Only some thoughts -

Adam,

if the baby is Sawyer, my head will explode!

But I can see that possibility coming to fruition with the way the show has been going this season.

Blacky,

Hurley totally had parent issues,

remember his father left when he was a kid

Like adam mentioned….the baby could be everybody! i.e. Sawyer has nearly the same hairs like Horace, but it would be crazy if the baby was him! Faraday would fit as a son from a mathematician -Horace, but we know who his mom is, Ms. Hawking! We know parent issues from nearly everybody of the main characters, so that led me to think the baby is someone from the past we already know but who is dead.

but…could be everybody

Check this out too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKO_v5y3P8k&feature=response_from_watch

jonathan, that’s lame – no offense. this one is much better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vteticzVFNk&feature=related

well i said it a few posts ago that i thought the statue looked like juliette…..i cant make out the cross the statue is holding.

Maybe the H-bomb is set off and that has something to do with babies not being born? cause of radiation or whatever…who knows

Hi
new to this forum, which is great by the way. Anyway dont know if this has been covered on not. But have done a bit of research in to egyptian gods and came accross Tawaret. It is the godess of woman and childbirth. Certianly fits in with the show and the whole childbirth situation they have in the future. Look it up and see what you think.

Sorry if it has already been covered.

Check this out i think it fits to be honest.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9403/statue01.jpg

has anyone looked at the god Thoth, lots and lots of simularities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoth

Speaking of these Polar bears again…

what about the first polar bear we ever see, I think it was in episode 2 or 3 in season 1.

That one was closer to the other side of the island where 815 had crashed. How did it get there? Had it escaped captivity? Was it set loose by the Others? Had some of the polar bears escaped and procreated on the island? At that point in time, what were the others still doing with polar bears? If you remember when Tom had Sawyer held captive, they were being held in the old Polar bears cages?

So where did they go? Were they maybe brought to the main island to turn the wheel, and one had done so, while the other escaped?

Any thoughts?

is defo 4 toes there. you just have to look a bit closer. Or maybe jus google tawaret and do a bit of research that image is not the greatest example.

I read some people are talking about polar bears and turning the wheel. Guys, sorry but i can´t believe that the polar bears turned the wheel. The animals were put and send through time by the DI in this Little Chamber in front of the cave where the wheel is, down in the orchid station, remember dr. candle´s video watched by Locke before Ben broke the backside of the little chamber (by putting metal stuff into it) to come into the cave where the wheel is! It seemed he was the first after a very very long time!! Would be a little bit ridiculous when you imagine how a polar bear turn that wheel! It was def. the DI sending those animals through time by using this chamber where Ben blew up a hole into it!!

I guess you are right about the polar bears C. P. L. .

Now, i was thinking the best explanations for these facts:

– Rosseau didnt remember Jin when they met in 2004, but Jin remembered her in 1988.

– Charles widmore remembered Locke in 2008, after their meeting in 1954.Locke also did remember him.

I think the reason Rosseau didnt remember him in 2004 is because by that time they met in 2004, Jin hadnt come back yet to 1988, his return in time happened after that, in 2007, so she couldnt remember him. In her original timeline Jin wasnt there in 1988, he just went back there in 2007.He remembered her in 1988 because he saw her in 2004, before he time traveled, so he took his memories with him to 1988. When he saw her for the first time in 2004, he also didnt remembered her from 1988, for his return to that past had not happened yet.

Locke went back in time to 1954 and met widmore, and after that he went to the future off the island, so that travel in time had already happened when they met in Tunisia, so thats why they both remember it. They meet after Locke went back in time , diferently from Jin/Rosseau in 2004.

So, if Sawyer now in 1977 sees young Mikhail, for example, he will know who Mikhail is, because he saw him first in 2004 when they got to the island, and his time travel to the past was after that. In the other hand, young Mikhail would not know who Sawyer is, even tough they’ve met in 2004, because when they met in 2004, Sawyer had not traveled in time yet.

I know its quite confusing …Please say what you think about this.

Hey C.P.L. I agree that the notion of a polar bear turning the wheel does sound a little ridiculous, but remember when sawyer was in the cage in season 2, and he had to push buttons in a sequence to make the fish biscuits and water come out? Well, that may mean that they were able to train the bears. It is a stretch, but I find it harder to believe that they got a big polar bear into a closed chamber and sent him off to Tunisia without him forst destroying the thing. But, who knows.

I was also rethinking my earler post (no. 81) regarding buying the bodies. I think that Dharma and the Others had a truce/agreement, and for some reason Amy and her husband violated the truce, perhaps by being in the area they were found. Thus the others shot him for the violation, and would have offed Amy but for Sawyer showing up. Amy’s desperate cry to bury the others had nore to do with hiding it from the others than anything else,including pissing off Smokey. So, I have to agre with Adam and I think it was Lolo who made that claim.

Only 6 days to go . . .

I still think it is completely possible for a polar bear to have turned the wheel.
My big reason for thinking that it turned the wheel is the polar bear that turned up in the desert. According to what happened with the Bunny after being put in the chamber all that happened was that it traveled thourough time, it never ended up in the desert. So the only way we actually know of to get to what Widmore called the exit point is to turn the wheel.
Totally possible to drug a bear bring it down into the cave with the donkey wheel hook it to the wheel with a chain and sit back and wait for the island to move. If Ben wanted to take control of the island what better way then to move it with a Polar Bear.

marttay,
I agree that it has 4 toes but it seems a little short and stubby. The one on the show was tall and slim. I still think it is Horus.

Sorry about the double post but C.P.L.’s post very came up until after I had posted the last one.

Good point about the chamber not being open. The only thing is we don’t know when that chamber was closed up and for that matter who’s to say that there are not more entry points into the cave (There was a well at one point).
There was a path to the donkey wheel cave past the chamber so at some point they had to be in there (Ben only blew a hole in the side of the Chamber the path behind it was existing remember he had to break thought the ice). If you found a strange wheel on a strange island that could do really strange things, would you turn it yourself or try to get someone or something else to turn it.
I think that that event corresponds with the Incident that Dr. Candle talks about in the swan video (I think that is the one).
I know a lot of people don’t like the idea but I do think that it’s possible and in my mind it answers a few of the many unanswered questions on this show.

Jones- I am with you regarding the chamber with the wheel as we do not know when it was opened or closed. What we do know is that at one time there was the well that led to it (the one John went down), and that well was subsequently filled in (remember sawyer holding the rope). We also, know that Dharma had done some excavation in that area and that they eventually built the Orchid over it. Perhpas the well was filled in and the chamber sealed off after the “incident”, and Ben knew about it, which allowed him to break into it. Just another mystery to be solved.

With regard to the well, wasn’t it Charlotte that told them to find the well? So it must have been there in Dharma time for her to have known about it (memory from her childhood?). Also as Charlotte excavated the polar bear in Tunisia I wonder if she knew there was an ‘exit point’ there? Perhaps her knowledge of the well links to the polar bear?

i agree with Adam. That’s ridiculous! but maybe for an experiment a dead bear was passed somehow

Have a look. Dr. Marvin Candle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdWLYVRiin8&feature=related

one thing that is bugging me is the rest of the survivors, Sawyer and the rest have been on the island for 3 years, where’s the rest?

before with the whole time changing I could understand it but three years and no Rose? Hello????

Moohaha I have to agree but there have been others to argue the point that their characters were important enough to at least mention of them dying.

I’m soooooo looking forward to Wednesday nights episode. BRING IT ON!

What happened to Rose and Bernard?

Guys, i saw a few days ago an interview from carlotn & damon, and they mentioned that the dead bodies from “Adam&Eve” in this cave are not Bernard&Rose(if i remember right)! OK, it would fit perfectly that the two are the dead people in that cave, but their def not! I mean Bernard & Rose disappeared since the flashes began BUT the writters wouldn´t kill them off wihtout any informations what happened during/after the flashes to them. They must and will show us their story! That is my opinion and i think i´m right!!?

Hey guys!!!! I read from other website and I think it is very interesting, this girl “silvara” wrote on the website that there is a chance that Ben and Locke might be brother or step brother. Their mother have shared the same first name “Emily”. Also their relationship (Ben & Locke) can related to “Osiris and Seth” (pharaoh) which Seth is a younger brother who is jealous of his older brother (just like Ben!!!) and even tried to kill him.

C.P.L. I have a vague recollection from some old interview with the lost writers that we would get the story of Henry Gale and how Ben ended up in the trap while presumably on his way to the losties. I am holding fast to that, as they made a big enough deal about it to just let it go.

By the way, today I read that the last 2 episodes of Season 5 will be named “The Incident- Part 1″ and “The Incident Part 2.” So, it looks like we will not have to wait until season 6 to find out what that was all about.

2 days to go . . .

NAMESTE SNEAK PEAKS 2!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTqNkI-ACnQ

Last time for me on the polar bear also (until the DI make one turn the wheel)
I don’t think that the DI trained a bear to turn the wheel. I think they found the wheel, were curious as to what it did and then drugged a bear, placed a bit of food in a location that made the bear have to turn the wheel in order to get to it. Sorry for the multiple posts on this subject but I don’t see one thing absurd about that.

As for the incident, I think it either deals with the above polar bear wheel scenario or a boy falls down the well scenario.

Yea i don’t think they are dead either. I think we would have seen something to cement it if so. Whats up with that first sneak peak….there was one line….not enough to hold me over….
This should be a good episode.

My bet is Daniel Faraday.

About the incident(season finale episode), its close to happenning, as they are in 1977, and the swan orientation film that mentions it is from 1980.

This dharma orientation film is probably the most important of them all . Whe know that Radzinski edited it, but not the reason why.

As a curiosity, in this film and in some others , Pierre Chang seems to have a fake left arm ,altough he was ok in Before you left and in some other videos. We also dont know why did he use fake names(Dr. Marvin Candle, Dr. Mark Wickmund and Dr. Edgar Halliwax).

Here is the swan orientation film, worth seeing again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk9At3txC4M

Funny about the tie, I’m still stuck on the Rose Benard thing, for three years no one sees them? Come on? That’s just lame.

Enough about the bear, please.

Greg– Thanks for the laugh over the tie. In the back of my mind I was thinking the same thing. “Take the damn thing off”!!!!!!!!!!

Blacky564 & biglostfan,
I was thinking about the same thing with not knowing if Widmore was born on the island, when he came to the island etc. I was trying to find where Widmore said to Locke that he was on the island for 30 years and can’t find it.
Did he say he was on the island for 30 years on the others leader for 30 years?

Ben is currently on the island as an adult as Locke sees him at the end of the episode “The Life and Death of..”. Does this mean that he is on the island with his younger self (i.e. Ben as a kid)?

Widmore did state also, as Blacky564 said above, that Ben force/tricked him off the island so I am sure that this story will be told. In there current DI time, Widmore is likely the leader of the others. It seems like a good time for adult Ben to trick Widmore off the island. Which would lead the way for younger Ben to carryout the Purge and become the leader of the others.

TIMELOOP

I dont think Ben is in the 70’s, but i´ve said it before, so, never mind…

It was strange seeing ”Mr. Abaddon ” on Fringe.

Jonathan……please watch the new trailer for “namaste”, there you will see BEN & SUN at the same time = so that means for sure they are in the 70´s at least because Sun is one of the 06 and think real, now after Sun is back on the island, why did she get there….cause of JIN of course!!! So they will meet each other!!! So Ben is there too! DUDE i thouhgt this is clear for everyone!!

and Jonathan….yeah very funny to see Abbadon on “Fringe”; i saw this new show yesterday for the first time (prmiere)! Hey man, where do you come from, Europe or USA?

Jones….dude…honestly i don´t understand what are you exactly meaning???

Of course 70´s Widmore doesn´t know Ben yet, because Ben is in this time period a young boy who have nothing to do with the others (not at all yet)!

That coming War…honestly i have no idea about what it is about, i guess it´s maybe something about the DI and the Ohters, or it´s about the coming purge, apropos WHY the others did the purge? I mean we saw in the last episode that the DI and the others are not bloody enemies, not yet. They have a truce (which was NOT broken by Sawyer, because they bargained with each other whilst Sawyer gave Richard the dead body of Paul). BUT what happened that they´ll purge the DI, WHY? There have to happen something fatal!

CPL-
Maybe the gas station has something to do with the reason Whidmore hired this freighter team to get to the island. maybe he wasn’t exactly sure WHEN they were on the island and perhaps he sent Faraday and Charlotte there to prevent this incendent from happening. maybe the gases there have something to do with why women can’t have babies. Sorry you were looking for some facts hunh? all I can give is speculations.

I think that Widmore’s banishment from the island happened during the incident. And, even though He said that he was on the island for 30 years, he could be lying just like Ben said he was born on the island and that his mother taught him to read. You cannot trust either one of them, as they are bad guys.

Well, 10 hours to go . . .

I can only speculate also but the name of the station is called the Tempest. As for its use Kate called it a poison gas factory.
I know nothing about bombs but do you think it could have anything to do with the hydrogen bomb (Jughead). Maybe the station was originally set up to contain the bomb??
Faraday says something when he is inspecting the bomb in Jughead about disarming it and then hen is the one that renders the gas inert in the tempest. That is very much grasping at straws though.

jonathan sorry aking you again something not belonging to this site, but i´m curious to find more out about you guys wrtting here with me and the others! That´s pretty cool that are soooo many crazy lost fans like me spread all over the world. I really like this.

About “Fringe”, are you serious, that this “new” show aired yesterday in brazil!? I´m actually from Timisoara (romania) but i´m living nearly my hole life in Linz (austria) and yesterday there was like by you the prmiere of the new show Fringe! -funny coincidence-

Man….be happy that season five began already in your country, here by me season five will begin next year, i´m not joking!

CPL
good idea about the swan possibly being connected to the Jughead, pushing the button every 108 minutes to keep the energy at a controlable level. very good possibility. Oh and by the way I live in the USA. Fringe came on along time ago here, well earlier in the year.actually I think it was last nov. now we have that stupid American Idol taking its place currenty.

Hey Jonathan would you mind not saying what’s going to happen ? some of us hate spoilers! at least warn please

biglostfan…..yeah your absolutely right about this shit american idol, the same damn show exists in europe too, AWFUL!
Fringe – sorry i forgot, you are in the US and i´m in europe, here they are at the beginning -first season -first episode, i bet in the US you are in season two or farther!!
WHATEVER

Adam……you really think i´m wating for one year till the show comes to my country, come on, i would be an indiot doing that!!
I´m the downloading guy!!! Streaming on ABC is´t possible for people outside the US, only for you US guys!!!!

Karen…..don´t bother about this gravator damn shit site, it isn´t working right!! Forgot it, like i did!!

C.P.L I watch it in these link:

http://pt-br.justin.tv/bojab3r

Karen, dont worry, i will warn if i post any spoilers.

Jason, could you pleaseeee…after watch the show tonight…tell me a little bit of what is going on in show? I am in south east asia…so I could not watch it on abc.com website

jonathan……Thanks very much man!!!!

very good show!!!!

Lilymami…I would say somethings but I don’t want to be the one to spoil it for others that typically wont see it until tomorrow evening who live in Europe or else where. So I tend to hold off until others (Totallylost but I’m not saying any names) spill the beans.

I will say this though…great set up show for next week some things where answered about time and place about certain characters….and there are a few who were spot on with there theories of time and place…I WANT TO BE THE FIRST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE RIGHT ABOUT THAT TIME AND PLACE AS WELL…I SALUTE YOU!

Also what was good is understanding the new direction of why they came back.

Certain surprises in character development definately came forward tonight(almost made me sad) but you all…it’s about to get serious.

This show gave more support for me infavor that Ben is GOOD. Also gave me more insight into understandings Jacobs list.

Other then that I have discovered that round trip flights to Hawaii for me are currently $550….I will be making my trip soon…and Lost tours (a 8 hour tour at that including lunch run anywhere between 100-200) this sounds like a PLAN!!!

spoiler alert

i also have to give kudos and admit i was wrong….looks like this show is really shaken up. just when you think it has been shook anough they find a way to spice it up a notch.

they are at two different times and tha baby was ethan…i was 100 percent wrong there

OK…adam opened it up…now I can talk!

So I guess this episode is really good. I just can’t wait to see!!
and Adam, what about sawyer and jack??

Great episode.
Pay attention:

- When Sun is talking to Christian inside that facility , the door opens, and right after he showed her the picture, a woman figure appears next to her, on the right hand side.It seems to be Claire.Just like it happened in Jacob’s cabin, Claire and Christian together.

– Maybe Sun didnt go back in time because she was the only one of the O6 that Locke didnt go to look for. Maybe..

A few things I thought.
Sawyers Character has def gotten some depth now. If you see the coming attractions for the next few weeks after the show airs it seems as though there is a lot of fighting between the characters. Sayid and Jin, Sawyer and Jack etc…
They make it seem that way at least in coming attractions.

What happened to Faraday? Did he die? Why can’t they tell us and why wouldn’t Jack ask?? WTF!!!

I’m thinking that they got split up in different times because all of the 06 did not come back. Maybe that was one of the things that happens when they all don’t come back…thoughts?

Where the hell was Locke?

What is the significance of the kid being Ethan? He dies relatively early in the shows first season? Good call whoever got that right just wondering how it makes a difference?

So we see Radzinsky and his character but didn’t get to much from what he’s about. And the doc, doc chang…interesting.

good episode for sure.

awesome episode!

I don’t think Sun could go back. She has a kid in the real world. If she went back to the 70s then the kid would never have been born…

First- Adam how did you put your picture in here?
Second- Locke hasn’t been found yet remember when Locke comes out or is discovered the girl tells him the lady and the pilot took a boat so last night haden’t happened yet when we saw them.
Third- I think it’s the ones that’s left that has to come forward not back to stop the war. I think the purge still happens but we’ll wait and see.
Fourth- Sun had Ben’s ring maybe that’s what kept her in the time zone she was in. Locke had Christians Sheppards shoes, maybe that’s what kept him there. I can’t explain Lapidious.

richard -

i dont remember the process of how to do it. i think it was gravatar.com. if you search some posts scott has the instructions posted.

ur right that is why locke wasnt there.

based on what christian said i think sun has to go back to find them. but i bet because the entire 06 didnt go back screwed up with everyone getting to where they had to be….thats my guess

Could it have something to do with “Jacob’s List” as to who travels back to ‘77 and who doesn’t? We know that Kate, Jack, Sawyer and Hurley were all on that list. I don’t know about Sayid why he time traveled when as far as we know he wasn’t on Jacob’s list.
I think Sayid is going to end up finding retreat with the hostiles and Richard. Which is possibly where we might find the missing survivors (Rose, Bernard, and Vincent). Which means if there is going to be a “war” against the Dharma and the others our people will be fighting each other.

I think Sayid will attempt to kill Ben.

I didn’t think last night’s episode was as good as many others have expressed. I didn’t feel like anything happened. We knew that the losties got back to the island from the previous episode and last nights episode only focused on the fact that Sawyer and Jin were in Darma and that they needed to figure out a way to incorporate the new faces.

That’s it. Nothing else seemed to happen.

The end scene showed Sayid and Ben meeting, but Sayid hasn’t been told that they went back in time so I’m not even sure if he knows that the Ben he met is actually Ben Linus.

I felt like the previews for next weeks episode were almost better. At least we see that Sawyer and Sayid battle it out, because Sawyer is seen telling Sayid ‘you are on your own’ just as Sawyer appears to head-but Sayid.

I was not impressed by last nights episode. Still no Daniel, Rose, Bernard or Vincent.

Hi everyone. I feel as if I know you all –
I am an avid reader of this site, but have yet to post.

Although it doesn’t seem to make sense at this point, I had a thought reading an earlier post:

With the “war” approaching, is it possible that Jacob’s list has something to do with who was fated to be part of the Other’s side? Of course, that means that during the “war”, Jack and Kate would be in opposition against Sawyer and Juliet.

Could be completely off base, but it makes for an interesting dynamic though.

Good call on Eathan and on the different time periods guys and gals, I didn’t think it was possible since Sun was in the current time figured if there was different times all the O6 would have to be together. I hope they explain it at some point. Speaking of which I still hope they explain how Jin isn’t dead, him jumping into the water just doesn’t cut it for me.

I think it is reasonable enough to assume that Ben knew back when he was originally building the runway that the plane would come down on the small island. And then he just happened to know where to go to find boats to get back to the main island.

I liked also how the swan is not built yet and now they are showing the plans to it. Radzinsky is a interesting character, his story should be good.

“Faraday had some interesting theroies on what they could and couldn’t do”, Can’t wait to find out the so called rules.

I have been following the show for a year now, but because I live in a village in India, I cannot always see the show. I am all caught up with the episodes. These theories are very interesting and I will contribute as soon as I can watch some more!

hey canadianbeetle
if your theory is correct and the war does have to do with Jacob’s list, I’m pretty sure if I remember correctly Sawyer was on Jacob’s list. remember when Jerk face Michael took them to the boat docks with Bags on their heads, so he and Walt could leave? Didn’t they(the others) say then, that they were on Jacob’s list. SO I don’t think they will be facing off against themselves. but then again this is lost and I could be completly off base.

OH…i forgot! I believe the losties will go back to their time even in this season at least at the beginning of the next season! Def. around the end of the seventies subjugated in the beginning of the eighties!!! I think so because when C.Shephard showed Sun and Lapidus the pictures in this cabin and he said, 72´, 76´, 78´ and then 77´here it is! Sooo….that led me to think they will def. not stay forever there, by the way that would be real bullshit and senseless!!!!

Yogi…..go on this site and you can download every Lost episode only one day after it airs in the US!!!!

Here it is the link:

http://www.torrentz.com

Hey CPL thanks a lot…I will do this from now on…I was able to go to a nearby down and they had it on VHS! WHO KNEW?! But Once a week I visit the local city which has an internet cafe so I will check it out there. Go Jack!!

@moohaha — finally watching “Namaste,” so I was right — Ben Sun, and Locke are in 2008, and Kate, Hurley, Jack, (“the ones who disappeared”) Sawyer, Miles, Daniel, Juliet, and Jin are all in 1978.

He’s a brand new character but I already find Caeser really annoying. But then I thought that about Juliet at first as well.

CPL, heroes was my favorite show before I started watching LOST, but it definetly has fallen off…one of the main writers left to write for another show but has since then returned, but I think it’s gotten way off track while LOST has never lost its momentum.

Oh no that was intended for Marco because I thought he was getting out of pocket so I had to put him in his place and teach him some humility

Guys, being right or wrong about something on the show doesnt really matter!
What matters is that we are all in this together and Lost allows us to think in different ways, so we should always expose our toughts, that’s the fun of it.
If everybody here would think the same, it would be really boring.

^^ I GOT HIM ^^

Yogi….i totally agree about Zuleyka Robinson, she is really beautfull, awesome woman! But are you serious with she´ll be your future wife or are you joking around!? You don´t know her in real, or?

Last point about heroes. I don´t know how´re you thinking about that show but i think it always gets better an better, i love it where they are at the moment, very interesting and so exciting!! Really cool show, REALLY!!!

Enough now about other shows, let´s stay by lost, the best show ever made!! Next weeks ep. is titled “He´s our you”, i don´t know but somehow i think it will be about somebody – i think a baby, maybe Sawyer&Juliets, or Jack&Kates, I´m GUESSING only!!

What are you guys thinking about what the title could mean? Somebody an idea? Answer me my lost freinds?

I got creeped out when sun and frank got to the other island. When the smoke machine was around and also when the light turned on in the house.

I still think Ben is trying to stop something, weather it’s correcting a mistake, like maybe he realizes that the purge shouldn’t have happened so now he’s trying to get the others to stop it?

We haven’t seen Widmore in a while or Desmond so hopefully they’ll be in soon. I believe I read Desmond will be in episode 5×11.

And as far as Zuleyka Robinson is concerned I am not divorcing her (I wish) beautiful lady though.

Scoppie- It was Jason who said a long time ago that Hurley’s job is going to be a bird trainer, which allows the Hurley-bird to call him later!!!!!

Richard7769- Interesting theory about Ben possibly trying to stop something. I’m not sure how that works with teen Ben in the 70’s and bug-eyed adult Ben being in the present, but we will see. Maybe he is not as rotten as he appears to be

C.P.L.- As always, a pleasure to read your posts, and who cares if they are long. That is all part of the fun!!!!!

Scoopie, my explanation for your question would be this:
that photo of them in 77 was taken after they got back in time, in 2004. So, in the past, when Juliette was there, i think there was no picture at all, cause they havent traveled to the past yet.

I wish Zuleyka Robinson was my future wife. I have been in love with her since I saw Hidalgo a few years ago. Don’t worry I will not stalk her or anything but I really do love her. Sorry Richard, but I love your wife! LOL

As far as Heroes, I’ve lost so much interest in it, probably because its being overpowered by Lost. Hopefully it will get back on track, but I definetly think that last season was the suckiest Heroes season.

Yogi……dude you are really lost!!!!

What do you all mean where is Locke…this was address not too long ago….. It was told that Locke just showed up and appeared out of nowhere to the new losties(my guess out of the coffin….

Remember at the end of that episode Locke sees Ben in the cot(bed). Ceasar takes Locke to him…..

Well this episode explains how Ben ended up in the cot.(Sun to the back of the head) hence while this is going…Sun and Lapides are meeting with Christian…and now Sun….”has a lot of work to do”…same quote Christian gave Vincent in the mobisode. With that all being said….the only thing we dont know about Locke is what…..6 to 10 hours of where is he at? Does it technically matter because either way we know he shows up….

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sorry jason but to seeing Ben as the “good” guy after he massacred a town isn´t believable!!!!!!!!!!

But about your theroy over Juliet, Respect, you convinced me, i´m thinking the same it´s making really sense! good job

Hi I’ve often read others comments on this site but have never contributed, until now. I found some interesting info on the net regarding the next episode ‘He’s Our You’. The whole plot summary of this episode was on Wikipedia and was pulled within the first hour of publishing. I have no idea whether it is ‘canon’ or not but some of it sounded plausible.
*MAJOR SPOILER ALERT*

It’s a Sayid centric episode and explains how Sayid ended up on the Ajira flight. It also stated that Ben kills Lapidus and that Sawyer wounds Sayid in order to stop Sayid from shooting Kate.

Like I said, I dont know if this is true but it’s pretty mind-blowing!

Moohaha…..brilliant thought! I nearly thought the same that it could be the “new” – “Changed” future (present) because of what the losties change in the 70´s!!!!??? BUT, when i remember back what ms. hawking said about time has a course correction that led me to think that everything what the losties doing in the 70´ has no affect to the present, time would change everything how it should be!! Only the place where Sun and Lapidus where, wasn´t it the boat station where the submarine was always?? When yes, then what happened because everything was damaged, it looked like after a war was happened there, so that would mean they probably change/changed really the past and so the future/present!!!

Next episode will be a great one!! FOR SURE, because it´s about Sayid, my man, his eps. are always interesting and very very good!

GUYS, i just saw a preview for the next episode and i have to say….Yeaahhh…that will be a cool again, at least becasue the title is connected to Sayid how it seems because of “He´s our you” =means= he is our torturer like sayid is/was!!! And Sawyer says in this previou that everybody or at least Sayid is/are on his own, and Sayid will be in big action again, i really hope!!!

OH….Faraday…..I forgot to mention…(someone asked were is he at)…

I think he was working below like as shown in the first episode of this season and he somehow creates an accident… however… I don’t think he dies…I feel he will some how end up back in 2007 with Sun, and somehow get her and the losties in time back together…. or….somehow have to go back and get aaron and possible Jiyeon….and of course his contact Desmond….

Mr. Jones(great song, by the way),
what i meant when i wrote about the picture is that, when Jack was in the barracks at the time Ben was sick, in that original timeline, there was no picture of the losties hanging on the wall, because they just went to the past much after that period.

Jason, i agree with you about the incident ,possibly it has something to do with Faraday and the donkey wheel, i guess he was trying to find a way to put them all in the same time or something.

About changing the future, considering what they said till now, some minor events that don’t have an impact on your destiny can be changed, but the important and major events cant be changed, as fate has a way of course correcting and whatever happened happened.

Ben seems to be always trying to change the future, and its quite clear the he knows in advance whats gonna happen, thats why he always has a plan.

I dont know about you guys, but each episode i think that Jack and Kate’s acting or roles are much more boring …

There are several comments on here where people have said that the ‘losties’ or ‘others’ were the one’s who built the runway. I don’t remember a runway getting built. When did that happen?

Thanks Roni.

I remember those episodes and I remember everyone working but I still can’t recall the ‘runway’. Did the producers show the viewers the runway or did the ‘others’ tell us that it was a runway?

About the “incident 1/2″, the two last finale episodes! I read it´s the Swan Staion or at least connected somehow to the Swan! I AM SURE!!!! So the incident is about the swan station and the 108 mins to push the button, i bet the incident is because sombody didn´t pushed the button after the 108min and so this incident happened, i mean honestly we don´t know exactly what happens after the 108mins, we only saw Des turning the key before happened the incident! In the past maybe someone don´t push it and so it happneed

C.P.L , as a matter of fact , you are totally right, i guess the incident is really related to the swan and the unique and intense eletromagnetic energy that is there.

Maybe they tried to release this energy to use it somehow, but it was way too strong, and then there was the ”leak” mentioned by Kelvin Ilman. Probably people got hurt, including Mr. Chang, who appears with a fake arm in some videos.

So after that they put massive concrete on the walls(remember Sayid once said that he has only seen something like that in Chernobyl) and than created the 108 minutes system to liberate that energy slowly, without causing danger. It must have been something in this direction…

This guy, Kelvin Ilman, he is quite intriguing. First he was in the U.S. militairy during the gulf war, remember he forced Sayid to torture the prisioners.

Then he joined dharma on the island and took care of the swan, first with Radzinsky and later with Desmond.
He survived the purge, and remember that he lied to Desmond by saying that it was dangerous to leave the swan, because of toxic gas or something, so he always wore that suit to go out, until Des found out and killed him by accident.

Jonathan – thanks for the explanation, I don’t really agree with it because as I said in a previous discussion I think of the whole course correcting thing as if the beginning and end were two determined points that can not change, connected by a imaginary string. You can bend and pull and twist the string as much as you want but the beginning and end are two rigid points and thus are always the same beginning and end.
I guess if you break it down the right way though maybe the O6 going back to the 70’s is a bend in the string but still wit the same beginning and end.
I don’t know what I think anymore, this show is so confusing and I love it.

If I had to guess, I would think that Faraday probably banished himself from the DI to try to avoid warning young Charollet about the island. I know that he was seen helping to build the Orchid but there was 3 years in between when they first arrived and the last episode.

Jason for the record I think that Ben is bad. DI purge, enough said for me on that. Even if he means well it still seems that all his goals are focused on him and his survival and prosperity.
I think Alpert is sort of like Christen in that he helps people get to where they need to go or do to move on, good or bad. Helped Ben with the purge, Helped Locke with his father (indirectly helping Sawyer). I.E. I think of Alpert not so much as good or bad but as a helper or messenger.
sorry for the book guys and gals

Jones….Very interesting insight on Ben. Again however…connecting Ben to the Purge and “Evil Doing”. this then negates Alpert and the gang ever having a problem with the DI and that somehow Ben Masterminded for Bad sake the exptermination of the DI. I guess things just really weren’t that bad considering a Truce was needed long before Ben ever arrived on the Island. Nevermind the story Ben was asking Locke about his familiarity of The Tale of Two Cities. Nevermind his quote “We’re the Good Guys” or “Well consider yourself one of the good guys”…noevermind Ben had been on the island and most likely familiar with the pictures from 1977. Nevermind, Ben in fact moving the island. Nevermind, Alpert told young Ben not to worry that someday his day will come and he will be able to help or leave to come with him. Nevermind ben was doing what he could to keep the Losties there(O6) eventhough they wouldn’t listen and they are back at the island again. Nevermind that there was no DI back in 1953…but they are ther in the 70’s and they just seem to be axcepted as good…really because they have cool stuff and nice houses to sleep in….Hey why the hell is the sonic fence around them anyways do they have something to hide from…hmmmm smokie??? Hey didn’t Ben summon smokie???? oh nevermind that either.

Well yes Ben Good or Ben Bad has yet to be determined eitherway cant wait to find out.

by the way CPL, the avatar did change so working now

sorry jones… who is Radzinsky again?
you must all be thinking what a bad lost fan am i…

Now i´m knowing what´s the meaning of next weeks episode – “He´s our you” = it means Kelivn Inman is in that time, around the 70´s the torturer for the DI!!! Like Sayid is/was trained by Kelvin Inman and now they will meet probably each other!?!? Good Thought, or what are you guys thinking about this “theory”!?

About whatever happened happened.
Wasn’t strange that in the 2007 where Sun and Christian are there was still that processing room sign of dharma hanging on the house and dharma pictures on the wall?

jonathan,
but in that case, wouldnt lafleur, jack, kate, hurley and jin (and sayid) have remembered their visit to the island in 1997 when they (re)crash in 200X ? because it was all new for them, they didnt even know each other. that’s what bothers me too, i.e. what were they doing in 1977 for instance… complicated!

I might be wrong, but i see things more or less like this:

– first island timeline we know of:
1977-without losties
1992 – the purge
2004 – oceanic 815 crash
2007 – ajira crash

– second island timeline :
1977 – with the losties
1992 – the purge? we dont know yet
2004 – ?
2007 – ?

So there might be happening an alternate timeline, on wich the acts of the losties will play an important role.

Maybe they cant change the end of it, maybe the purge and the crashes will happen somehow, in a different way, like Charlie’s death, wich was many times postponed by the acts of desmond.Even him, who is told to be special, couldnt change it.

anyone else notice RIGHT after Sawyer said “not anymore” when jack asked him if Faraday was there…in the background you heard the song..”ride captain ride upon your mystery ship…to a place to a world where others might have been”

Jason…..Ilana called Ceasar “Jarrah” after the plane crahs, i just listened it again and i´m sure. She obviously had the first thought where her prisoner -Sayid- coud be; but he was of course gone, the man isn´t studid!!!!

I´m telling now how i think the lost story will probably go on: The losties which are now in the 70´s are supposed to be there, to fullfill their destiny, i mean with that, it is their destiny to go back to the past and change these things we´ll see what they have to be doning!!! So when they are sometime ended their “mission” they will go back somehow, we´ll see, but i´m pretty sure they are nearly all back in the past(only the ones which are important and have to fullfill some “games”, missions of course) the rest wiche stayed and are suppoesed to stay, i´m sure about that because of C.Shephard who meant at least to Sun she have a long way or something similar for her to do!?!? AND i mentioned that before in an older post, i am becoming stupid or is the boat(submarine) riverside not totally destroyed there, ok, not really destroyed but pretty dirty, looked like there was something big going on like a WAR!!

LAST: That are only thoughts, but i think this time i´m on a good way about the time being suppossed to their right own correction by our losties in the past for the normal/new/normal-old TIME PERIOD!!! I really think the things how they are going now have to be so for the present life of everybody at least for the people on the island or even on the hole world, haha!!!

And when you know what i´m meaning and your thinking about this it rally makes sense. I´m normally hard to convinced by any theorys, i respect mostly of them but honestly mostly of them are just b…s…! But this one, even when/becasue it´s from me ti really convinced me!!

ahh….hear ya guys, and however, WE´LL SEE!!!!!!!!

Mctama, you are 100% wrong.

When the purge happened, Ben was an adult.

Check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSwNGC30IqI

jonathan….of course Ben was an adult when the purge happened! Like “mctama” mentioned Ben was around nearly 30 years old, even when he looked like now(i think, ok we don´t ever saw a picture from him during this time), when the purge was in 1992 (i don´t know if it´s right but i took this date from you jonathan, what you wrote above), so around 16 years before, then he had to look much more younger, we will surely see Ben in that age, i mean when the purge will happen, i think more and more it´s all about the purge, at least for the hole DI story/people!

Sorry guys, i have a lot of free time this weekend..so..

Mctama, i guess Ben or anyone cant meet their younger version.

Probably he knew he was gonna land in the small island, in third season he and the others were making that runway where ajira landed, with Kate and Sawyer’s help, perhaps he knew in advance he would need it later.

He once said that whoever turns the donkey wheel cant come back to the island, we still have to find out the exact meaning of that. Anyway, he went back to the other island, so he possible really knew that.

Remember that day , in one of those time flashes, that Locke, Sawyer, Juliet found 2 outrigger canoes on the beach, with the ajira bottle of water in it. So, they went to the future, in a time where the ajira flight was already there, so Locke had returned with the flight too, so there were two Locke at that time, or not? They didnt meet, but it was the same time, wasnt it?

ps: very funny your post 352 “you are 100% wrong” hahaha !
mctama no offence

Karen,
Radzinsky was first mentioned in earlier seasons, he was the one who started the blast door map, and during a flash back of the Swan when des asked Kelvin Innman about where he Radzinsky was Kelvin showed des a blood stain on the ceiling where he had shot himself.
In the last episode he was the guy in the flame that was building the model of the swan and wanted to just shoot Sayid.

Also,

when Frank and Sun dock at the main island, does anyone else believe it couldve possibly been something other than Smoke Monster that shook the trees.

I just think it was something so small and too obvious to be smoke monster.

and if it was him, what was he doing there at the Barracks? He usually hangs outside the Sonic fence area. Unless he just stayed there since the last time Ben called him to fight Keamy and his guys.

Am I looking too deep into something that may mean nothing at all again?

wasnt it his 18th birthday??? if so hardly an adult

Jason, Ben was born on December 19 in the early 1960’s, so by the time of the purge(1992) he had like 30 years old, what makes him an adult.

The scene with C.Sheppard and Sun at the end is very strange. For anyone that is interested this link is an enhanced image of the person in the background.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:509_sun_woman2.jpg
You can’t say for certain that the picture hasn’t been tampered with but I find Lostpedia usually is pretty good with that stuff.

Jason, RE: post 334
I see your point on Ben possibly being one of the so called good guys. Although depending on what you believe being one of the good guys is very relative.
In my mind the majority of your points though could be accounted for in Ben furthering his own cause or to manipulate someone else. Say for instance him leaving the island, this could have been just to manipulate Locke, which he did. He also left the island just after he killed Keamy which in turn blew up the boat and killed everyone on board(apparently expect for Jin, I still can’t let that go lol. To which his response to Locke was “so”. Granted temporary insanity would be a good defence since his (stolen) daughter was just killed. But with his track record I don’t think he would get the benefit of the doubt.

Again he very well may be a good guy as he claims but for now I still think he is a bad guy. I do have one question though, do we have confirmation that Ben committed the Genocide of the DI. It seems so long ago that I can’t remember what lets us believe that Ben committed the Purge.

Do you guys remember when Faraday and Charlotte first got to the island, they were playing cards and Charlotte asked Faraday < do you remember? then he said something like two out of three ain’t bad, as if they were both trying to remember these things they had done before.I think there is something to this.

Thanks C.P.L,
I remember the episode now. I also remember now when Locke, Ben and Hurley are looking for Jacob’s cabin and find the mass grave site, Hurley asks Locke what happened and Locke reply’s “he did” pointing to Ben, and Ben doesn’t dispute it.

biglostfan,
I only seen that scene the first time I watched the episode but I sort of remember it as Faraday loosing his memory and needing to find his constant to keep the effects of the time travel at bay. After he turns to the page in the book that says that Des is his constant then he is ok again.
Oh and I think the Two out of three line was said by Charlotte in an attempt to calm Faraday down.
I can also see the scene playing out your way too though after everything that has happened since in this season. I never really thought of it that way before.

Also remember when we first see Faradays back story, we see him watching tv and crying because of a news story talking about oceanic 815 that had crashed, he says he doesn’t know why, I’m wondering if the crying has something to do with Charlotte dying, or if something really bad happens to the losties,or what? And also he looked pretty out of it when we saw him watching the news that day, if the plane crash just happened and he gets rounded up with the other freighter people to come to the island a couple months later, why then does he seem more together when we first see him on the island. Something is totally off about this. maybe he does get in the sub and leaves in 1977 and forgets everything OOOHHHH I don’t know, can anyone shed a different perspective on this?

To Jason 365 post. I’ve wondered for 3 weeks why Sun have not travel to ’77 as Jack, Hurley, Kate and Sayid did (Locke was in a coffin).

About the Faraday’s “string theory”: When Locke stops the flashes and the time leaps finally stops in a time when Charlotte was a child in the island, she simply disappear.

Jonathan 356. Was the canoes found in the main island? (That would minds Ajira survivors will change the island)

To Karen post 358. Don’t worry, I was wrong but now I’m in truth again. I agree with you that this no-ending story is too complicated and would need 3 season more.. but that’s LOST.

Karen,
If the reason why Ben didn’t travel through time is he can’t meet himself, that would minds that Sun was in the island in 1977, too ???

OK…I watched “man behind the curtain” again…. Thank you everyone that set me straight on the Ben age during the purge and year…Yes…he was definately not a teenager(or 18 as I put it earlier) The Purge however has not ben totally confirmed that Ben mastermind it or let alone ignighted the release from the Hydrastation. All we know thus far is Ben admitted to Locke (before) he shot him in the back that he made to kill off the DI. Which could lead us to think that ben Mastermind it…. etc, etc. (Ben also said he was born on the island so keep that in mind…he wasn’t)…Eitherway….In this episode Ben and Alpert have their watches on and appear to have them syncronized which could elude to Alpert being in one place and Ben being with his father and killing him at the same time as the release from the Hydra station…..

I feel in time we may discover that Locke may have told “his people” that is what needs to be done….

You all say what you want…the DI are the bad guys…..

What I did like about the Man Behind the Curtain…of which I forgot about, was seeing Alpert in his ratty tatty clothes and long hair…I am curious to wonder if this is because he was an originally from the Blackrock.

Hey

After the episode i began to thought a little bit more about Radzinsky, if he was maybe the smart mathematician what discovered the island or was he only a DI member, maybe the man who worked before Mikhail at the communication station (if i´m right, it´s called the “flame”)!!??

mctama,…interesting insight on Jack. I would like to hear (read more) as to how you may come to this conclusion. You may be on to something or maybe not..but I’m still interested…would you mind sharing more?

For me Jack, and Locke will end somehow being the 2 more prominant “leaders”…

Jack “Shepard”…similar to a Christ like Charactor
John Locke….similar to a John the Baptist like charactor

Besides an number of examples I could give as to what leads me to Jack being a Destined leader the one that stands out for me is the one when he got his tattoo…season 3 “Stranger in a Strange land” It is revealed his tattoo says “He walks amoungst us but he is not one of us” and the woman who gave him the tattoo told him he was a great leader….

So could the episode been for nothing?????

Jones,
thanks for the link, post 368 ! who else doesn’t think its claire ? it doesn’t look like Claire to me

Karen,
Def. can’t say for certain that it is Claire but considering that she has been seen in the same sort of situation with Locke in the cabin, I wouldn’t bet against it.

Jason,
I do sort of agree with you on the DI not being good. In any war or conflict, like I said in previous posts, both sides would see there selves as the good guys. In this case its a show so we are outside observers, but we can only go on parts of the story that the writers have given us thus far. It is believed that Ben and the Hostiles committed the Purge so in my mind that makes them bad. On the other hand the DI seem to have come to the island unwelcome, and continue to stay and expand (the building of extra stations), I think you already made reference to the type of historical relationship that this mimics so I will not go into that. To me this makes the DI bad, but not as bad as the hostiles, YET!!
We really do have to wait for the story to unfold.

jonathan,
for now I am in part of the ones who believe that the portrait of 77 that Christian Showed Sun in 2007 was already there when the others lived in the barracks last seasons.
My only real reason for this is the scene with J.Burke last season (I think), when someone says something like “Well no wonder, you look just like her”. I also think that the reason all the others were looking at her like how she described it “like I’m a rockstar” is because she was recently there as the person how traveled back to 1977.
I don’t trust her though and think that she is still working as a sleeper for Ben, lol.

I have no real tangible reasons why but I think the Di will end up being the bad guys. Although it really could unfold either way. We will def have to see what goes on.

The hostiles really do seem like the bad ones but I think it is probably all a twist somewhere.

I do think Jack is going to be the leader. It seems many times before this has been hinted at. The tattoo episode, the episode when hawking tells him he has a different objective or something. Plus he has lead them this far already.

‘Lost’ exclusive: War erupts over Charlotte’s real age!
Mar 23, 2009, 09:34 PM | by Michael Ausiello
Categories: Lost
An ugly dispute between Rebecca Mader and her former Lost bosses over the correct age of her late character, Charlotte, appears to have been settled. Thanks, in part, to, well, me.
But first, let’s flash back to the most recent Lost podcast, during which exec producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse — in attempting to explain how Faraday could have seen a young Charlotte in 1974 when she wasn’t born until 1979 — alleged that Mader changed the age of her character from 28 to 37 in an earlier script “because she did not really want to brand herself as 37, which is what she would have had to been had we stuck to the initial script.”
Mader fired back on her Facebook page, accusing Team Darlton of throwing her under the bus. “The timeline error was their mistake,” she harrumphed, “and they are making it out to be my fault. Not cool.”
Reached for comment this evening, D&C now concede that they got their facts wrong. “Rebecca is absolutely right and we apologize to both her and the entire fan community for screwing up the story,” the pair said in a joint email. “By way of explanation, here’s what happened:
There were a gazillion questions about the timeline discrepancy in that young Charlotte clearly exists in 1974, but wasn’t supposed to be born until 1979, per a single line of dialogue courtesy of Ben back in episode #402. When we inquired as to how this happened, the intel came back that we used Rebecca Mader’s birthday, July 2, 1979 because she was actually eight years YOUNGER than the character as originally conceived/scripted. We misremembered this as having come from Rebecca herself on the set, but in fact, it came several days earlier when our continuity expert Gregg Nations pointed it out and suggested using Rebecca’s actual birthday for Charlotte. And so, the mistake was OURS. Rebecca’s production draft DID have the date as being 1979.
Our first mistake was the timeline gaffe, but the much more significant one was wrapping Rebecca up in this when she had nothing to do with it. Not her fault on any level. It was our bad. One hundred percent. We will say as much in a very special “Eating Crow” edition of our Podcast tomorrow. Speaking of which, what a wonderful world we live in where we can make a comment in a Podcast that triggers a response on someone’s Facebook page and that triggers a mea culpa on someone else’s blog. Ah, technology.”

mctama: I thought about why those certain people haven’t travelled back in time, maybe it was because they all hold something from that time. Sun has the wedding ring. John has Christain Shepherd’s shoes on…maybe we’re still waiting to see what Sayid has. Ben does his own shady stuff….Frank may have had something…and the rest were never originally on the island. I know it sounds a bit farfetched, though.

hey jonathan cool post, thanks a lot !

Yogi, Jones and Richard, thanks a lot, very cool posts.

Two answers are better than only one.
1st theory was they not travel in time because all they hold something from other people who still are in the island. Sun, the wedding ring’s from Jin and John the shoes from Christian Shepherd.
(Sayid really disappeared but he landed in other main’s island part , Frank and Ben were not from Oceanic 6)

2nd theory was Locke and Sun are very special. Sun conceive a baby in the island, and John is a new resurrected man as Christian is, a sacrificed.

Both theories would be complementary. thanks for your smart thougts..

To Jason, 393
don’t worry.. humor is always the harder to catch in another languages..

Sorry, i meant if we ever saw people which WERE BURIED on that island as an appearance to somebody!? And another correction: c.shepard isn´t buried too, so he “can” appears always again to people!

C.P.L. good theory one problem Annalucia was buried and she showed up again in 5.01.

Maybe on the island they can come back if they’re not buried……

think there are only three till know

http://www.sl-lost.com

Hi all. I’ve just watched this episode again. Has anyone come up with a theory as to why Ethan’s last name is not Goodspeed? Also, where was He during the purge? I wonder if he was stolen by the others (perhaps for a breach of peace) or He went willingly to them like Ben did. If he went willingly, was he really a part of killing his dear old dad?

I know there were a lot of comments about the picture taken of the losties, and how people would have seen it. Did we ever see the others or the Losties at the processing station throughout the 5 seasons? I thought that the processing station was near the sub, and the barracks were further inland, as it appears that you have to be driven there from the sub. So, isn’t it possible that the photo was truly there all along and just not seen by anyone? After all, the processing station was a lot more dilapidated than the abandoned hydra station. What is my pojnt? I don’t know.

Radzinsky. Why his obession over Sayid being an other and seeing his plans for the swan station. Maybe they were warned not to build it and he ignored it?

The Plane crash- Were the Dharma numbers being spoken on the radio when the they sent out a mayday? If so, how can that be as I thought all that stuff was turned off after Danielle et al stopped her transmission and the looking glass jamming was relased by Charlie.

That’s all for now. 1 day to go!!!!!

and yes also Libby and Anna Lucia. that really sucks that Anna Lucia was killed, that was the stupidest call from the writers !!

CPL thank you for the sneak peaks! most interesting one is the third one, we kind of begin to understand why Sayid is then working with Ben, they established a complicity at that time… interesting

Karen….first about the buried bodies; Horace, as i mentioned he was thrown into this mass grave from the others for the dead DI members, where Locke was shot into it by Ben, but they weren´t buried (also Horace) – and that was my point! However, your right about Libby & Annalucia, i thought that also before i posted my theory and i also remembered that they both showed up only OFF the island, never on the island as an appearance. (..Please correct me if i´m wrong!!)

Next thing is about the Sayid centred next episode with the title “he´s our you”, as you can see in one of the trailers, Sawyer brought Sayid to this tent where this strange guy lives, he´s a torturer, the DI´s torturer! So finally i hope we will get good Sayid-Action, how i´m accustomed by him!! I also think ít will be really cool to see something about Sayids youth, as i saw the guest star list, we´ll see different time period of Sayids life, i think very interesting!

Last think is about Radzinsky. He said to Sawyer/Jin after they captured Sayid and brought him into the flame that he´s maybe a spy, and saw the swan-mini-construction. That led me to think that the others maybe tried once to get infos about the DI, and at last to take over the hole DI (buildings). They did, and maybe they spied out the toxic gas station (the tempest?) and so they learned how to gas(purge) everybody of the DI!!! I mean Ben was a Workman – like his father, so i don´t think he was even allowed to enter the toxic gas station, and so to “spy” for the hostiles. Somehow, somebody found out to work with this station and we know what happened, it was too the first thing what Faraday & Charlotte did on the island after entering, switch off the gass station!!

C.P.L,
About only seeing photo’s from the 70’s. C.Sheppard brought them into the room and probably brought him right to the correct period/place in the room so it is possible that there are more and we just don’t see them because they are in a different section or on a different wall. It could also be that the there are no more recent photo’s because of a change made in the past meant there was no DI past the 70’s (although I don’t think that this is correct it is very much a possibility).

I think Ben was a workman but I also think part of his job was to make deliveries to the different stations making it possible to gain intel. If indeed the purge doesn’t happen until 92 any number of people could be the ones that tip the hostiles off regarding the tempest.

Has anyone considered the fact the hostiles probally needed help with the purge,( do you really think Ben is the only one they needed to make this happen) I’m sure that some of the Dharma people other than Ben helped, Maybe like our losties. I bet they end up helping with the purge from the inside. and also if you see the wall Christian points out with the Dharma pictures on it, isn’t there more than just the amount that he was calling out.( like he said here’s 72,76,78, oh yeah here’s 77 ) there is a whole other row to the left with more pictures, so Its possible they were there for longer.

well definitely ben got help from the others but do u really believe that the losties helped killed the DI ?? i dont think so! ok Sayid, Jack and kate are not very attached, but i think that SAwyer, Juliette, etc are already attached to the initiative and as Sawyer said, these people trust him and respect him. no way that ben got their help, they seem descent people, not like ben.
just my thought on that matter

What about Ethan. He was just a kid when the purge happened, how did he get to be with the others? I did read somewhere, people from biblical times would somehow ( I don’t know) check childrens dna to find a particular Y chromeazone (no spellcheck, sorry) to see if they were decendants from a particular line like Abraham,Moses,Issac, and Jacob. So this could possibly be why they took the children, to find if they are “Special” meaning decendants from Jacob. they would find this because they would only allow those with the right genes to rein in their predacessors place to keep the kings or rulers of the same lineage of the same tribe. each tribe ruled its own section.

In this brazilian site, they show the link to watch tonight’s episode live.

http://www.teoriaslost.com/

It may get kind of slow sometimes.

I guess it starts at 9 pm american time, not sure.

If its not ok, try this one, tomorrow morning , its always good.

http://www.cucirca.com/2009/03/25/lost-season-5-episode-10-he%e2%80%99s-our-you/

Spaeaking of others helping during the purge….what about the russian One eye man???? He mentioned the purge to sayid….way back in season 3

Jonathan,
They have never had a real scene together. Rousseau may have recognized Jin at some point and we just don’t know and she didn’t say anything. It’s possible that there either wasn’t enough interaction between them or Rousseau simply kept her mouth shut. They never spoke to each other, and I highly doubt Rousseau felt to be in a position to say “I know it sounds crazy, but I met you 16 years ago and you haven’t aged since”. There have only really been three times that they were in the same place, once in season 1,3,&4.
Although it is a weak argument, it is a posibility.