He’s Our You
Hi All,
I just got back from S. America lastnight and had a great time. I haven’t had a chance to catch up on Lost yet (I did get to see LeFleur, but still have to see Namaste) but am glad to see everyone continued to comment and post links to the videos. If your comments were blocked by the filter, they should all be approved now.
Anyway, I at least wanted to give you all a new post to keep things more organized for your comments on tonight’s epsidoe “He’s On You”. I’m gonna get caught up and should be back to posting the sneak peaks in time for next weeks episode!
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Hey dude, welcome back and namaste.
It’s ”He is OUR you”.
Must be the jetlag,man.
haha – indeed. That’s what 26 hours of getting home will do for you.
Welcome back!!!
Welcome back. I’m jealous as I want a trip to S. America.
Where are my previews for tonights episode?
We missed you Scott. South American is awesome.
Welcome back Scott! Looking forward to the sneak peaks and weekly episode topics! Your a good man for doing that btw!
WELCOME BACK SCOTTTTT!!!! WE MISSED YOU!!!!
SCOTT YOUR OUR USSSSS!!!
6 MINUTES AND COUNTING FOR ME!!!! LOOOOSSSTTT!
DAAAAAMMMMNNNN!!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME…..!!!!!! ONE OF THE BEST EPISODES EVER!!!!! UP THERE BEYOND THE ECONOMIST AND THE CONSTANT!!!!! HOLY CRAP!!!! SOME STUFF ANSWERED…AND POSSIBLY A CORRECTION OF THINGS TO COME!!! THIS MAY BE THE VERY TURN TOWARDS CORRECTION IF WHAT THEY ELUDED TO HAPPEN WITH BEN….DAMN!!!! DAMN! DAMN…!!! I WILL NOT BE THE ONE TO GIVE OUT THE SPOILER FOR THE REST OF YOU AROUND THE WORLD… BUT OMG!!!
TOTALLYLOST, ADAM, CPL, KAREN, JONATHEN, JONES, EVERYONE!!! SCOTT!!! I HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK…I WILL JUST SHUT UP AND READ YOUR POSTS!!!!
Whoaa! All of the speculating, and I would never have guessed the ending of tonight’s episode.
that was crazy….ill wait a bit so everyone can see. have some theories brewing…..real great episode. that was nuts
i have some too adam…damn!!! im still hyped up and have a bounding heart!!!
http://bycarlost.blogspot.com/
This link has it with subtitles in english
I’m completely speechless right now. Let me collect my thoughts and post tomorrow. Don’t want to give anything away for those who have not yet seen it!!!!!!!!!!!
It was a great episode… but… if the island isn’t done with you (and clearly ben plays a HUGE role later in time) the island doesn’t let you die. the idea a bullet can stop ben when a radioactive explosion left desmond still running seems silly. right???? and wouldn’t that contradict the whole “you can’t change anything that has already happened.” so is it all just a big tease?! or am i overthinking this?
sayid! you should have checked his pulse! hasn’t he seen halloween?!?!?
awesome episode, i want to watch it again but i need to sleep.
SPOILER for who didnt watch it yet.
I liked very much the episode as well.
It was curious that during the discussion about what to do with Sayid, Radzinsky said he would contact Ann Arbor.
I had the impression that Radzinsky mentioned it like it was the last resort to decide about some major issue.
Ann Arbor is the University of Michigan, where Karen DeGroot and Gerald DeGroot established the dharma initiative in 1970 , with funding from the Alvar Hanso and his Foundation.
Remember in the swan orientation movie the DeeGroots and Hanso were mentioned as well.
Also Pierre Chang said that he was the professor of Theoretical Astrophysics from the University of Michigan.
Later i’ll share some more thoughts.
Ohh yeeaahh…..impressive, awesome episode!! with a BIG WOW-end-effect!
First about Sayid…HE DID THE RIGHT THING (i would do the same), but….i don´t know…sayid have to know that things what happened had to happen, should he? because nobody said ever to him something like “universe course correction”, or am i wrong??? I´m really upset of young Ben, HOW he could survived a shot directly in his body, it also looked to me Sayid shot him pointedly in his heart. But F-ing Ben had to survive….but…how the island can let him survive this, i also thought if so then the gun hadn´t to work when he shot, when the island don´t let somebody die, yet!?!?
So i thought right, the Swan station wasn´t built yet in 77´! The part with the DI´s torturer (named “oldham”, i think) was real entertainment! I liked it, but Sayid doesn´t know what´s his purpose, how he said, he thought it was to kill Ben, wrong way dude, but what else could be Sayid´s role now? He left the DI, but isn´t a other, and he is in 77´, what does he thought he will do ALONE on this dangerous island, ok he is more dangerous than most of the people on the island, but he´s alone outside the fence, isn´t he, i guess? We´ll see, he´s a “Killer” who can take care of himself!!
Sawyer is really cool leader!!! I like him, like always!
Hey what the hell was about this chic Ilana?? She was hired by the “family” of Mr.??(from the golf yard), to bring Sayid to ?Guam?, what the hell is in Guam, i think behind her story is much more as she said or she even knew by herself, she was also a little bit to fast with her answer to sayid, But i´m pretty sure she knew nothing about the crash of Ajirra airways & the island, but the people (my bet is WIDMORE one more time) knew that exactly and so pointed her on Sayid!
One last question: Does somebody see what´s on Radzinsky´s overall, i mean the name on it, so what is he, a mathematician, or a “communicator” because he works at the Flame station?? And i thought Radzinsky was a brilliant, mysterious genius, who built the Swan-Station…., but he seems to me like an Idiot!!!!!
I LOVE THIS SHOW
Scott – welcome back, dude.
DON’T READ IF YOU HAVEN’T WATCHED!
Jason, You are ABSOLUTELY right best episode EVER!!!!! I felt that it was coming but here are some of my thoughts. Ben is NOT dead. He’s not buried and clearly he has a large part in the whole island history. But DAMN it was time someone shot him.
The line where he visits Sayid and he tells him he is a killer. Maybe he planted that in his head because he knew what was going to happen. Sayid fell into his trap so to speak.
Also, I liked the way the trailer had us to believe Juliette was going to tell Kate to leave Sawyer alone but that wasn’t the case either.
I did feel bad for Sayid thinking he was going to get “lucky” but in return he got his butt kicked. I let her kick my butt too.
This had everything I expect from LOST answers, questions, and a hell of an ending.
Where the hell was this nerd Faraday again?? Two episodes gone and no appearance of “Mr. Tie”!! However, i bet we´ll see him in next weeks episode “Whatever happened, happened”, i mean that were his own words in “lafleur”, so i think next ep. is about him at least will see him again!
SCOTT, sorry man to say to you – WELCOME HOME! Hope you enjoyed your trip!!
Richard..you brought me on to something, i´m confused now.
When young Ben met Sayid in the past, shouldn´t he knew him in the present or is that the same story as by Rousseau & Jin???? So, assumed old Ben knew already Sayid was it his plan to make him becoming the Killer he could be and is!? To let him kill all the people he would or had to, or does Ben only used Sayid for the dirty jobs which were not important, only for HIMSELF-BEN, because of his twist with Widmore?? ….confusing stuff…
I think when Sayid shot Ben i don’t think the older Ben knew yet, but you never know because in the post here they have said it comes as a memory later, however i doubt that because before Charlotte died she said she remembered and odd man and she thought it was Faraday so why wouldn’t Ben know he got shot? I love this show.
“Whatever happened, happened”, is based on kate. So im guessing were going to find out her reason for coming back to the island.
Your sure Marco?? I thought next ep. is about Faraday, but if you are saying it i believe you it´s about Kate!! Damn..i don´t like Kate episodes…their lame….sorry kate fans, if there is anybody!
I love kate so as long as i can see her im good.
Dude, Ben is a Douche Bag! I wish they would show us his back story. it was cool to see a little of Sayids though.
if little douche Ben dies doesn’t that create a butterfly effect?
I think that Ben is the one that hired the bounter hunter to capture Sayid. Ben has ben manipulating that poor guy since the beginning. I think Ben knows what Sayid did to him and I think that he killed Sayids woman to get revenge for Sayid shooting him while he was little Douche bag.
Also I want to know why Kate came back. I think that Claire visited her as like a ghost and told her what to do with Aaron and that she needed to get back to the island. I mean that would def make me think twice if a ghost visited me and told me some things, and I had their baby. can’t wait to find out.
Oh and what’s up with Sawyer being a total jerk face.
the way he’s treating Jack and Sayid. come on. did he really think that this playing house with Julliette would go on forever, remember the time when Kate said something to Sawyer a while back about him wanting to stay their and play house? I dont’ know. but he knows about the purge, I wonder what other things he knows about that he’s not telling.
next episode is def about kate. daniel might show up based on title but i think kate and aaron are the focus based on wikipedia. something about ben also so we’ll see. This season has been good but it’s really all over the map. I feel like there is not much continuity throughout this season.
Ratings have also gone down pretty consistently over the course of this season. I def think people are more into locke and jack based shows. this season has not been to much about them. in fact like i said before doesn’t seem like there is much flow to the season at all. im sure most of you disagree.
Now there have been some great episodes in this season just no flow…
Season 3’s finale was still my favorite episode when jack tells kate we have to go back. constant was also a great episode.
no way ben is dead. if you read ahead on wiki tho it gives you a hint as whats to come. i wont post i’ll let you check it out if you want.
WOW, WOW, WOW. I wanted to post last night, but did not want to be the first to spill the beans.
Based upon the last minute of the show, and the fact that we know Ben is alive and kicking in 2004, we at least know one reason why the others think he is “special.” Anyone who can take a bullit point blank like that and live, or die and be resurrected (which may be the case), is indeed special. Same thing for John. For a brief moment I wondered if both John and Ben are half real and half spirit which is why they can communicagte with Jacob. But that still does not explain why Jacob said “help me”
With Sayid “fulfilling” his mission, does this mean that he is up next to be killed. A major character has not died for quite a while. Also, shame on him for letting Ilana get the best of him. I am fairly sure that she is an innocent pawn who is unknowingly being used by Widmore. After all, since Sayid killed that guy in the Sechelles, why the need to go to Guam. It reeks of Widmore
I love how Sawyer is all about protecting his current gig, rather than letting Sayid blow it all up.
Where is John??????????????? It is time to circle back to him, as well as Rose and Bernard.
What is up with Ben telling Sayid in the Dominican Republic that Widmore killed John? Man that guy can truly lie with a straight face. I still do not see how that was enough to compel Sayid to hurry back to the US to save Hurley. Am I missing something??
adam,
I agree there isn’t a lot of flow lately. It seems to have gotten more and more like that in the later season’s. Really though I think that this is partly a tactic by the shows creaters to throw people off. One of the biggest parts of the show is not knowing what to expect which is partly created now by this inconsistency.
Loved the episode though and don’t think that Ben is dead or will die. We will probably find out why Kate wanted to go back to the island in the next episode then I guess it is only Hurley left. I was hoping to find out why Ben was all bloody when he was at the dock before he got on the plane. As I remember we only really had two thoughts one being that Sayid did it to him and the other was that Des done it. If they hold true my guess is that Penny is dead and eventually we will see Des back on the island looking for Ben.
SPOILER…i did some researches for the next couple episodes…so don´t read if you not want to!
In the next episode we´ll see Aaron and Claire´s Mother again, so when i have to guess i think i know where aaron could be, but not why! We´ll see..
Penny will be seen again, not only in one episode, so she isn´t dead!! We´ll Charles Widmore as a younger version of him, and Eloise Hawking as a younger version of her again, and of course both of them in the normal time 2007/08, they will show up in the next few episodes!
Faraday, i think in ep. 14, the episode is about him, and we´ll see a younger version of faraday too, in this ep. he will tell finally whats about the island and the time/space things and other secrets what he knows!!
I`M SURE ABOUT THAT ALL !!!!
I have really enjoyed this season. My only complaint is that I think they are trying to cover too much ground in an hour show. It felt like we were missing part of Sayid’s story last night because the writers were desperately trying to get us caught up. The same with the Locke episode. There is just too much back story to tell in just an hour episode.
By the way….I LOVE THIS SEASON, and in comparison to season 4, which was the worst of all seasons, only my opinion. Best season-final was for me def. season 2, Desmond was so brilliant, the final was the best on the show ever, MY OPINIONS ONLY!!
I have to agree with Roni there is a lot to catch up on and it’s mind bending to embrace it all.
In the next trailer it looks like Sawyer is being held with the “hostiles”. If you look at him while he’s being at gunpoint the guys with the guns don’t look like Dharma peeps.
Ben is definetely alive , see the image at 1:59 min .
http://lostfan.today.com/2009/03/25/lost-untangled-5×10-hes-our-you/
About Sawyer, what the most of us dont realize is that he lived among dharma for 3 years, much more time than he lived among the losties, wich was 100 days!Anyway he did all he could to save Sayid.
The episode was good, but nothing compared to The constant, Flashes before your eyes ,The man behind the curtain or Through the looking glass.
By the way, its time Desmond should come back in action, his episodes are always great.
Hola Scott ! glad ur back
ok im not reading any thread until i see the episode. till then !
HAHAHAAAA he’s on you, hilarious !!!! you’re jetlagged !:D
Ben is alive…for he(young ben) is in quite a number of future episodes…My guess… Jack will save hime…based off the synopis of next weeks or the weeks after sounds like this could be true…or if they somehow time jump Big Ben to 1977.
Richard7769,….no doubt…that was a plant…. as he told young Ben…He was right…He is a killer. So the cycle then begins…Little Ben survives…Big Ben remembers what Sayid said…then Big Ben sets up the quote..(GENIOUS!!!) Personally though….I feel Sayid will end up dead soon…AGAIN…I REPEAT AND AM CLAIMING THIS HERE AND NOW….Sayid will die…
I just realized something too during this show..and I don’t know if anyone mentioned it before but if so let me know…… I do recall in the LaFluer posts someone mentioning that some must defect to the hostiles… Well this of course has to be Ethan as one…and if so…why???
I also enjoyed seeing how Sayid ended up on the island. My guess is Illana is with the Hanso foundation and not Widmore persay…. Eventhough we know she stated she was a relative of the man Sayid shot…but who was he??? Cant wait to find that out, what…next season…geez!!! Sucks to be a fan…
How about Jin though…he really seems to show signs of being brain washed…WTF JIN?! Get it back bro!
I agree Jonathan…it about time Desmond comes back!!!! Desides…next to Sayid…his episodes are the best too!
“What the Bloody Hell Brotha!!!!…Soden WRITTERS!”.
C.P.L…MAYBE Sayid’s purpose is the purge…that is if he doesn’t die before then…. Did I mention Sayid will die…. I did! I’M CLAIMING IT NOW…SAYID WILL DIE!
Hey everyone see Hurley the Chef…lol. Damn that was wrong?
whoooohooohooaaa !! what an episode !!! overall the end ! i didnt see it coming at all !
really funny when the torturer goes “i should have put half a drop of this…oops”
Jason, I agree with you. I think Sayid is a dead man. bummer, sayid is one of my favourite characters !
CPL, i too loved season 2 and the season finale was really good! agreed that season 4 sucked a bit and even season 3 started to be a bit lame. Season 5 started very lame but its getting better
Come on y’all, you make my day at work go by fast with your interesting and knowledgeable comments….bring them on!!!
Karen, i loved too the scene when Sayid was probably overdosed by the torturer, for him it was of course perfectly..hmm..,and funniest thing was his loud laughing – did we ever saw Sayid so extremly laughing….i loved it!!!!
And yes Jonathan, i really hope we get soon again some good Desmond episodes to see!! i´m missing the man in action
Hey and why did some people here think Sayid will die? PLEASE, give me a plausible answer, – the purge, not possible because jack,kate,hurley,….which are back in this time period will have to go def. once back to their time!? So i honestly don´t know what Sayid´s purpose will be but i think when he maybe will die, then he have to die in his real time, would be somehow absurd to die in a time where you exist twice as a younger version, or doesn´t even exist yet?? I think we will see Sayid still for a long time in Lost!
BTW….Not sure if anyone has mentioned this and if so then sorry for re-posting…..Perhaps Ben regrets that the purge happened and now he wants to fix that by manipulating Sayid to the point that Sayid would shoot little Ben in the past and making little Ben hate the “hostiles”. That way the purge would never happen…..
Jack or Juliet will be the one’s who save ben. Therefore ben’s obsession with Juliet. Ben isn’t going to die. Then again, who the hell knows? I’m ready for a Faraday episode!
Hey LosMan, i honestly don´t think that this is possible. First because the purge has to happen, maybe in not the same time when it really happened, but it has to! And…don´t forget, Ben was and is still maybe interested to take back again the “leadership” of the others?? Last, Ben is an asshole all in all, and he was very patiently to become once the leader, so like i know him…to purge of the DI´s wasn´t a big thing for him, just something necessery to do! BUT Man, we´ll see, your maybe right – that´s Lost dude!!!
Kate will be the one saving little Ben, because Jack will refuses to help him…whyever, it´s at least stated in the prefix for next weeks episode! Juliete i think will be to there to save him. When i´m not completely wrong i think i saw today i picture of young Ben lying wounded in a bed in a hospital(or something dharma similar)!!? So when this is really true it would proves Ben surviving after he was shot, that´s what i´m thinking!
I’m finally caught up, and I agree. Sayid is dead before the seasons over. He said to Sawyer that he felt like he had no purpose or reason to be back on the island and then Ben walks in and he tells him the reason he was there was for him.
Here’s a picture of Ben that may or may not answer if he’s dead or not. It answers it in my mind, but for those that don’t want to know I’m trying to be as un-obvious as possible.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/Scrt8qh4_KI/AAAAAAAAuFk/CI0OJk3Tn_g/s1600-h/ben.jpg
Was it just me or was the guy that tortured Sayid a little less intimidating than what I was expecting? I was actually thinking it was going to be someone we recognized. Not some old man in a tent out in the woods.
***SEMI SPOILER ALERT***
Dont read if you dont want to know who’s going to die. I’ve seen that someone big on the show is definitely going to die soon. It is either going to be Sawyer, Ben, or Daniel. Which do you think it is?
oh and Karen – where in Chile did you grow up? I was only there for a couple of days in Santiago. I have to say it wasn’t my favorite place we visited.
Little Ben is obviously alive. Daniel said that even if they tried to influence the past it wouldn’t work. Even though Ben got shot he wont die because he is supposed to be alive in the future. DUH.
What do you think, can Saiyd die in 1977 if he was alive in 2004?
The rule of not diyng that applies to a younger version of a person, like Ben, also applies to those who came back in time as adults?
I mean, can Jack, Sayid, Hurley, Sawyer die in the past or not ,because they were alive after that in the future?
If they die in 77, they would have not been on the island in the first place in 2004.
You could say that this past is actually the future for them and so they can die…
The way i see it, none of them can die..as they were alive later in time, but i am not sure…
Scott, i said it before…Daniel is my bet.
Nyargghh… my head. Rather than killing him, has Sayid started Ban off on the road to being such a cold killer? Remember who it was that found Henry Gale hanging in the jungle? And who beat the crap out of him in the Swan’s cell? And that whole time Ben’s been thinking, “you’re the man who shot me and left me for dead.” And then just went about his business anyway. Brrr…
OR, will Ben wake up from his oar-induced nap with new memories of being shot by a man he tried to save and the scars of a thirty-year-old, miraculously-healed bullet wound? Is this WHY (narratively speaking) we have a Ben in the past and a Ben in the present – so that what happens in the seventies can be “communicated” to Ben now? Who can then pass it on to John…?
(Incidentally, on the whole subject of not being allowed to die until the island’s finished with you, remember when Charlie was strung up by Ethan? Jack bringing him back from the dead always did seem a little miraculous)
i’m going with danial….but sometime soon…sayid.. I also noticed Josh holoway not on the future actors list for future episodes this season..hmmm just might be him. SON OF A BITCH!!!
i said it earlier by the end of the series i think most of them will be dead. prob jack and kate too. maybe they are adam and eve from the cave.
i think sayid will die also. should be an interesting last few episodes….
no way ben is dead. how he will survive a shot to the chest who knows…but he isnt dead i bet…kind of predictable.
SPOILER
There will be an episode that seems great, not next week but the one after that. :
‘Dead is Dead’ – 5×12 – and in the synopsis it mentions Ben summoning the smoke monster so it can judge him for past sins. Should this title mean that Ben is dead? To see.
Also, i am ansious to see Faraday in 5×14 ‘The variable’
where he tells exactly what he knows about the island.
Good question Scott about who will die. I originally thought it would be Sayid because it seems his mission has been accomplished. As for Daniel, since he was not an original cast member, he is too obvious of a choice. So, my pick has to be Sawyer. My eyes are welling up with tears at just the thought of it. What purpose does he serve in the scheme of things? I don’t even see him being as integral to the island mystery as Kate, Jack, John and Hurley are. So, he could be a logical choice. But, on the other hand, the outcry if he goes will be too much, so if I look at it that way, Daniel is a gonner.
Adam, you do have a point about most of the main characters dying off. After all, this is not Gilligan’s Island where everyone goes home happy and at the same time. I just assumed that was the end game, but I am guessing it is not. I guess we’ll know soon enough.
CPL – why would Kate save little Ben?? she knows what he will become. Only someone that hasn’t seen the future will be able to save him. My guess is Ethan’s mom
Scott – i grew up by the sea! santiago is a major city, is not interesting. you should have gone to the south or the north, i bet u would be enchanted
as for Daniel Faraday, i think he is dead anyways. SAwyer said that “he was no longer with us” – why? that’s yet to discover, We have to remember that Daniel is a bit of a mad scientist and that maybe his work on the time travelling with the rats and then actually being involved in such a situation himself was too much and he suicided. Also he lost his love Charlotte. Or maybe he became a hostile because correct, how could he die in 1977 if he was alive in 2004 ! but the thing is that the past for him is all upside down, so its possible.
As for Sayid, same thing. do u honestly think Ben will forgive him for shooting him? no way.
As for Locke, he was shot but the bullet went through the hole of the kidney. now this happened when we were still in the correct time frame so that’s fine. would have been wrong otherwise!
I don’t think we can assume that since someone was alive on the island in 2004 that they can’t die in 1977. The reason is Charollet, correct me if I’m wrong but she was alive in the future but died in the past. (Unless one of those flashes brought them to the future and then she died and everyone else traveld back to 77 without her)
Karen,
“As for Locke, he was shot but the bullet went through the hole of the kidney.”
I guess that could also explain how Ben will live. The bullet went through the hole where his heart is suppose to be, haha.
Hey,
I got 2 thoughts I wanna share.
First, I am waiting for Christian Shepheard to appear in the year 1977. He got to have some relation with the island rather than being Jack’s father.
Second, I think that the whole time mess that occurred in the island may be caused by Farady and that he will have a leading role in the time loop thing, not only the DI guys.
and ahh of course Ben won’t die !
They way I think I sort of associate Locke with the Christian, like Locke being the new person that comunicates with Jacob etc.
But why is it then that Christian seems to know so much more about the island then Locke does at this point? Maybe it is just too early.
Faraday, Sawyer, Sun or/and my bet is Juliet will maybe die, at least one of them!!!! AND Hurley could also die, because what was his story in this season, Nothing!! He was nearly not involved in something important, i know he couldn´t die because we know to less of his purpose to the island, BUT how the lost writters are always joking with us, so that we never can guess who will die it´s always somewere which we never expected to die!? WE´LL SEE…
BUT HEY, how is it possible to die now in the 70´ when you are living in your real life in 07/08!? Can´t explain that!!
Ohh…Karen…i think it´s Kate who will help young Ben becasue it was in the synopsis for next weeks episode!!! Of course it won´t be able only her, but she will be the main perosn helping her, i´m guessing!!??
But again, who knows, that´s lost!!
Young Widmore met Locke in 1954.
In Tunisia, he told locke that he stayed on the island for 30 years.
Suposing he arived there in ‘54, he should have been there till ‘84, so he must be around our losties now.
Some things i confess i dont understand:
if a freighter can find the island, why the O5 had to do all that and get a plane to go there?
Penny Widmore is surely born on the island! The reason for that is that charles Widmore was on the island so arond the 50´ or before/ maybe he was even born on the island? Her mother? No idea who/where she is, but C.Widmore was the leader of the others for 30 years, so they never had the submarine to went back to the main land to maybe meet his future wife and become Penny! The submarine was from the Dharma and it was only for the DI in use! After the purge the others took over the hole DI´s buildungs, barracks, submarine,..etc..!!!
yeah Jonathan, I was wondering were young widmore is too. according to the timeline he gave Locke he should be on the island somewhere in 1977, but ya know he would be with the hostiles and we haven’t seen them or Richard for that matter in quite a while.
Oh and I believe that it will be Juliette that helps little Douche Ben. We know he had a thing for her later, so thats what I’m guessing.
Guys i know surely we will see Widmore in the 70´ or so, again!!!! He have to show up once because he is at this time the leader of the others. I also read somewhere that we will see younger Widmore, not the one from the 50´ but the younger version(a total new character) – of him in the 70´ or 80´!!
Adam…I do like your idea of them all dieing or most of them…. the only thing is I recall Jeffrey Lieber
Damon Lindelof saying in a podcast before season 4 started that season 5 would be about them getting back to the island and season 6 would be about “them” saving the island… I assume “Them” are the majority of the main charactors. However…what if the most of them die this season and some sort of correction is done next season…. therefore they all comeback…(I don’t like this idea though)
What I don’t get is if Widmore is the current leader of the others, when then did Richard come to the Camp when Sawyer shot 2 hostiles, instead of Widmore? Is Richard just a lackey to whomever is in charge?
I’m thinking that Richard may be like a angel, where they are not in charge but they protect and watch out for those who need watching over.
CPL…it only makes sence we will see him…especially when in season 4 they teased us with Ben stealing the island from him….I wounder if Widmore is now(1970’s) in Ann Arbor. I am currenttly watching season 2 now where we first are itroduced to the Darma film footage…Eitherway…don’t know why I mentioned that… But I hope we find out soon how Ben tricked Widmore off the island…my guess again and still is that Widmore turned the wheel…..
Jason, my guess is Ben tricked Widmore off the island because of a woman. I mean comeon, why else would two grown men act this way if not for a woman. If Ben tricked Widmore into turning the wheel then he would have ended up in Tunsinia right, So why then when Ben turned the wheel landed in Tunsinia in 2005 , why were their no cameras set up like there was when Locke arrived in 2007. I don’t think Widmore knew the exit point until Charlotte found it last season, ( my guess, is this happened between Ben landing there and Locke ) maybe around 2006.
I mean if witmore was tricked off by turning the wheel, then wouldn’t he know way back when were the exit was?
Jason -
I was saying by the end of the series I think a lot of them will be dead, not this season. Sorry to confuse.
Whidmore may have turned the wheel but could have been tricked into doing so.
If many people die and comeback to life I will be disappointed. That’s a cop out.
Based on wikipedia it’s Kate who helps.
CPL -
Thats a good point about Whidmore. In the scene where we are introduced to young whidmore Richard does seem to be in charge at that point. I think we read to much into Whidmore saying he was the peaceful leader of the island for 30 years. That could be total bullshit and a lie by him. We really dont know. We only have seen him as a kid on the island at this point.
Richards role is very ambiguous I agree with that.
This episode is worth watching , its a recap of seasons 1, 2 and 3, the narrator is Ben. It was aired previous to season 4.
I dont think i’ve seen it before, it is really cool.
http://www.cucirca.com/2008/02/01/lost-season-4-episode-0-past-present-and-future/
I think you are on to something about Charlotte found the exit point for Widmore……but who knows!?!?
I also have to say that i don´t think Widmore was tricked by Ben in turning that wheel. Turning the wheel was such a huge event so that i don´t think that Widmore turned that wheel, it was something what was maybe till Ben & Locke never turned ever before, or at least for a very long time not!
I think he was tricked in another way, but i honestly don´t know how he did it!!
Actually is the recap of seasons 1 and 2.
biglostfan– you are RIGHT!!! I totally forgot about Charlotte!!! Thank you! by the way..this has me thinking does this mean that Charlotte could have been tricked off too or part of a group of people that were?? How in the world would Widmore even contact her to find it if she arrived onland later??? Also were the people Sayid took out a part of this same group if this is what happened?
Adam–my fault, and I agree…the are mostly dead…And yes I too feel widmore was saying a bunch of BS… I recall at the time hearing that that he could of been talking about the DI inception and residency over those 30yrs.
Oooops I ment CPL… on the wheel bit sorry biglostfan
Well if Widmore is on the island now, and we know that little Charlotte is there too then they probally knew eachother. maybe widmore had something going with Charlottes mom and thats why they left the island, at this point its plaussable to say that widmore and Charlotte could of left the island at the same time, or perhaps even together.
jonathan…i know this recap before the third season began, it was like episode 00! But listen – there is too a new recap about the first 4 seasons before the fith season began! When you don´t know this and you want to see it i maybe can give you a link to that, if you want it and IF i can find a site having still that, i´ll put it here on!?
jones…I don´t think Charlotte was tricked by whomever to leave the island, remember when she said to Faraday before she died in his arms, that she suddenly remembered that scary man what was Faraday, so how it looks he convinced charlotte´s mother to leave the island in the past where he is now. Maybe he told her about the purge, or he maybe really tricked her somehow off the island……whatever…..also he scared litte cute Charlotte to never come back again here! It worked, but without an happy end!
What´s really strange is when Abbadon showed Naomi the photos of Faraday,Lapidus,Charlotte and Miles; Abbadon worked for Widmore so the boss knew who were this people and what they are supposed to do, or will/have to do! So we know (not surely) that Charlotte was born on the island, wasn´t she? If Miles is really Dr. Pierre Changs(Candle,Halliwax..) son, then he was born and grew up on the island too, the same thing could be with Faraday, but i don´t think he is born on the island…OHH…does somebody remembers if Faraday got nosebleeds too when they all flashed together(sawyer,juliet,..) through time(i don´t remember anymore)?
biglostfan…sorry but i don´t believe Widmore and Charlotte are somehow related or meet, or knew even each other in the 70´! I mean, man, she was maybe 5 years old and Widmore was at this point in time a big number on the island, by the others of course, and when i´m not wrong he is the leader at this time of the others! And that Widmore had maybe something with Charlotte´s mam…it can´t be possible because he is an other and charlotte´s mam is a DI member, they hate all each other! BUT…who knows dude, that´s Lost!
Yesterday i heard this thory, so here i go but i forgot some details, however: It´s about why some losties land in the 70´ after the flash and crash of Ajirra “316″ and some losties(Sun & Locke, correct me if there are more, i maybe forgot) stayed in the present time!? This theory says that the people which landed in the 70´ were all people which had never spoke or even met Mr. Charles Widmore! The ones which stayed in the present time where all people which met and know personally Mr. Widmore! This is it, so here is the big question, if there is this theory true then why the hell is Widmore such a big key, or why is it because of him? Damn….i really don´t know what to think but i thought i share with you what i caught up during surfing the web about lost! So guys, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING OF THAT?
Excuse me writting sooo much, but my head is at the moment totally on lost!!!! I have to exploit that…huha
obviously kate will help little ben either because she doesnt know its ben, for her its just a kid, or because she now has a kid and has a maternal instinct. again a kate-stupid moment
CPL – charlotte and widmore are somehow connected. he recruited her to be in naomi’s team. why her? because she was born in the island !
CPL…Widmore also financed the DI… So sorry it is possible.
CPL- Wow- what a theory about Widmore being the key to who landed in the 70’s and in the present. If true, that would blow my mind. I guess we are just going to have to wait to get his backstory. Right now I don’t beleive any things Widmore says, as he is probably as big a liar as Ben is.
CPL – personally I think its more a coincidence they have all met widmore, but it does kind of make sense. Mainly for Sun because I don’t no why she didn’t go back to 1977. Ben/Frank not 815losties and locke dead could be why they didn’t go back.
Am I right in thinking the purge was 1992? Surly our losties won’t have lived on the island that long that they can prevent the purge. Even if they did kill ben, (which they can’t have) it will still happen maybe not with the gas. Just like desmond preventing charlie’s death, it will happen.
New game when will they stay on the island till?
On the latest podcast producers said we will see the front of the statue, suggesting that the losties will be time traveling again before the end of the season.
That’s all for now as I can’t remember the episode that well as I was so hungover. Will have to watch again sober.
Also CPL why so much hate for ben??? he seems like a thoroughly bloody nice bloke!!!
C.P.L, if you find this recap post it here, cheers.
Wolowitz, Lost is so hard to understand sober, imagine drunk!
I love the show, but what is bothering me a bit this season is the characters are doing a terrible job of sharing information. I mean, Jack and those who were outside the island never explained to those who stayed what really happend and vice-versa. They just act like its all perfectly normal.They dont talk about Locke, Ben,Desmond, Rose, Bernard, how they got back, time travels,etc..They all accept just a brief comment about something, without questioning.
Maybe there will be a time when they speak with each other, it has to!
One old doubt: was it ever explained who was the musician who configured the numeric keypad of the computer in the looking glass with the song Good Vibrations as the code to disable the jamming signal?
Post #83, Sorry JASON, i meant YOU and not Jones in the second passage of my post!!! Excuse me, i made the same mistake like you before to me, funny stuff..
Jason….from where do you know that Widmore financed the DI? Did i missed that part??? Because how i mentioned before he was the leader of the others at this time, and we know the twist between the DI and the others!!!! So WHY or HOW should he financed his enemies, i also think in the time when Widmore was on the island (nearly his hole life) he wasn´t so rich and mighty how he is now after his island time, am i right?!? Financing your enemies, sounds not possible!!
Karen….we´ll see why Kate will help young Ben, i mean if she knows whom she is helping there!?!? Honestly i think she will know it at last, because Sawyer & “his gang for the last three years(juliet,miles,…)” know who little Ben is, Sawyer also mentioned that to Sayid in their conversation in the cell.
And yes Karen, maybe Widmore choosed Charlotte to go to the island because she was born there OR she found the exit point(that´s just a thought), BUT is Faraday and Lapidus too born on the island??? I don´t know and by Lapidus i don´t think so, but who knows; So my point is Widmore had not only choosed Charlotte because she was born there i.e. Lapidus isn´t born on the island…ok…we don´t really know this, but since we met lapidus(season 4, first time) he was very surprised about this strange island, seemed to me he never heard anything about that island!
My last question to you people: HOW Widmore knew where the island was when he sent the freighter ship to the island? (Maybe i missed or forgot this part, so correct me please if this was mentioned). I thought nobody without the others of course knew the bearing to the island, and the “Lamp Post Station” wasn´t at this time able to find the island before it began to move through time. Otherwise Widmore had already sent people to take over “his” island again!
MY thought is that Penny was the one who found the island, ok..not herself personally but remember the station at the north pole or antarctic where these two guys nearly missed the signal of electromagnetic occurrence, that was after Desmond turned the key in season final 2, so they recognized it and that´s how Widmore found it?!?
I swear these are my last words for today! I just listened a new podcast by Carlton & Damon, they said a lot of interesting things but i won´t write now everything down; only that we will see the STATUE again until the end of this season! Yeah!! And not only the backside again, we´ll see what or who that statue was. The other thing is that we will get an answer why Miles wanted 3.2 Mill. Dollars from Ben, why exactly this amount, and Miles personally will give an answer on that!
Listen by yourself on ,www.sl-lost.com, it´s around at the middle of the side, so scroll down and listen to the long interesting speech my folks.
I´M OUT
Jonathan– I am with you. What the hell??? I would think that the first thing Jack et all would tell Sawyer is what happend, but not a word. And, vice versa. It is almost like they don’t want to know why they are in the 70’s. That would be my first questions. I don’t get it.
Wolowitz…..HA..it happens very often to me too watching the episode not sober!! And….Honestly i really like Ben, Really!! He is one of the best characters of the show ever, and i liked him since the beginning more and more, and now thinking the show going on without him, BS!! Only what he is always doing for his own good and everbody else is so stupid to believe him again and again and that pisses me off!! OK..Ben is pro…Liar!! And youre right, the purge is in 92´ and i agree with that what you said about changing things and so….!!!!!
Jonathan….i will try to find this episode for you and post it here!! And i totally agree with you about the losties, NOBODY is talking what´s really going on, i mean at least Sawyer has to know everything about Dharma, but this assholes doesn´t talk. Are the writters kidding us, because in all the last seasons the losties always wanted to find out whats about the mystery of the island…., now some of them know this, BUT WE the viewers know the same like ever, nearly nothing!! That pisses me really off!
Good question who was the musician from the code at the “looking glass”. I tell you what was my first thought back then when i saw the episode for the first time – Charlies Brother!?!? I know it doesn´t make any sense and he was only a supporting actor, but otherwise i have really no idea!!
now i´m really OUT
CPL…..Here is some stuff you may find interesting about Widmore(Enjoy)…
http://lost.wikia.com/wiki/Widmore
Another thing that isnt mentioned is the Scotch…..
Also….where is everyone getting this Widmore was the leader of the “Others” this has never been said. All we know is that widmore had been on the island before when young…and that he had been tricked off the island. We also know of his investments with the DI.
At the time he was with “Richard” and the gang… Why is it not possible a rift developed between him and the”Others” who later become “hostiles” this only makes sense…. Because of Widmore financing etc. etc. I mean Geez…am I the only one that notice young Widmore pissed off and all snippy when Locke mentioned Jacob…Heck he even somewhat questioned Richard.
here’s more on widmore industries
mhttp://tviv.org/Lost/The_Widmore_Companyore on Widmore industries…
oooops…
http://tviv.org/Lost/The_Widmore_Company
Jason widmore told locke in 2004 just after he got off the island that he was in charge. That’s the only evidence we have i think. And the fact he refers to the island as his is land. Notice Ben always calls it our island referring to him and the others never his island.
Also I don’t think richard is the lead but he is always the number 2 man. Kind of like in Tibetan Buddhism the Dalai Lama is picked when he is a child, but there is meant to be one man who is always there to teach the leader, be his aid and then when it comes be in charge until the next leader is found.
P.S. Apologies to any Buddhists for my shocking knowledge of you religion, my reasoning comes from Jarhead when Juliet tells locke that richard is always here, i.e. on the island and something someone once told me about how the dalai lama is chosen.
Jason, about Widmore being the leader of the others/hostiles , he did say it to Locke.
Watch this, at minute 1:45.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJI-XRR8g-8
ben knows whidmore and he went back with locke sun and frank so that isnt possible. plus how does whidmore know frank???
johnathan—thank you for putting that up. I defenately remeber that scene as it was also part of a sneak peak…. The first thing that came across my mind when hearing that is…
ONE: How in the world does Widmore know what an “other” is???? Fact is he doesn’t.
TWO: there is so much ambiguity in that conversation, but me won’t be tricked by the writters to make Widmore look good… This man is bad.
THREE: 30 years??? hmmmmm if the DI had been on the island approximately 30yrs and Widmore was a partial investor and again reaaaalllly has no clue what an other is could it be that Widmore actually help start the DI which may have caused a rift between the original inhabitants”others” and the DI. Especially knowing all the references throughout the seasons referencing twosides…good and evil….black and white…two cities…etc.etc.
FOUR: Since Widmore invested in the DI, and he is an “other”…but more importantly a “hostile” but Hostiles and DI don’t get along. Then why in the world would Widmore invest in the DI…???
OH…and FIVE: Widmore’s reference to a war. and Locke needing to get back. If Widmore and Ben are both with the Hostiles…then why in the world would there be a war???? I cant believe I neglected to mention this in the other post but again this one really stood out for me?
Now it is definately possible the war may really be about leadership of the Hostiles and maintaining the peace treaty as opposed to a purge coupled with tricking Wildmore off the island if Widmore is really a Hostile by the time Ben gets there (which i don’t support). but please keep in mind during this treaty…the DI starts to build the Swan station… In this weeks episode it has been eluded to that the Swan station is being built out of treaty bounds. I guess the Swan station could not cause a rift in this treaty????
Wolowitz – ben a nice bloke ??! what are you talking about ? he killed Locke, he killed the whole DI and he’s done awful things (like letting her daughter get killed, hello?!) so please rethink about it
Jonathan, re post 91 – that is brilliant to raise! i am sure that someone in the past that now’s the present who knew charlie would save everyone and that he was a musician configured it on purpose. my bets are on Jack!
CPL post 92- well i was only saying about Charlotte, not everyone else. Faraday is special, he had done experiments with time travelling and could provide a lot of knowledge to the team. Lapidus was going to pilote the Oceanic 815 initially that makes him some sort of “survivor”, also reason why Widmore recruited him. And miles, well he’s special too with his medium powers… need i say more? the only one im curious about is Naomi… what made HER special and why was she leading the group… ?
JAson post 101 – i correct you. Widmore does know what an other is because when he was part of the initiative, others were known as hostiles. my guess is that as you say, the conversation is so ambigous that he must think an other is a DI member. It makes complete sense that Widmore is a member of the DI and saying that they protected the island for more than 3 decades also makes sense. We could be mislead by thinking Widmore is an other, i am guessing he’s trying to confuse John. And i dont know who the bad seed is here, what has Widmore done so bad ??? he has only treated Desmond really bad but that’s about it… he hasnt killed anyone.
Soldier Kimmy that had been hired by W did kill some people but only others (Ben’s daughter Alex)… and also ask yourself why would W want Ben so badly if he were an other since Ben is too and he is even the leader of all the others (Richard etc). No way W is an other
Karen….thank you for explaining it in a way that I could not. I was using “Other’s” in the context of Oceanic815… so yes he doesn’t know but in the way you explained does know. And for 4-5 seasons know “others” have always been Richard and them. Based on what people are saying on here from their perspective Post99 and “other” would be the DI??? and this just makes no sence to me.
I agree with you mostly that Widmore has not shown really any sign of bad things…keep in mind Charles Manson didn’t kill anyone either.(if you don’t know who he is sorry for the reference). But Hey, Sawyer, Kate, Locke got someone to do his dirty work, Charlie, Sayid, all killed people too…do we realllllyyy think of them as bad. And as far as Ben orchestrating and commiting the purge has yet to be seen…all we have seen is a participation. Ben’s daughter…that was a bluff move gone wrong.
Widmore I feel,,, it will be revealed that he tried to extort the island…which in my perspective is bad.
….But eitherway….we still have a season and a quarter left to find out.
Jason, as far as i am concerned, Widmore was the leader of the hostiles, wich later on became the others .
I missed to see any evidence connecting him with DI.
Please let me know about it.
I posted a link that support this theory…Heavily.
From there..there are many more if the time is taken to look other then that….I concede.. Time will tell
Does anyone know if we will be getting the story of Henry Gale (the guy in the hot air balloon) from season 2, and the story of how Ben ended up in Danielle’s net??
it wasnt even his daughter he stole her….f-that guy hope he dies this season
adam ur right but still when he stole the baby and she grew during 18 years, it is obvious he still considered her as her daughter. and i agree w/u, hope he dies for good this season. That Locke kills him !!!
By the way, Scott…mentioned here that somebody of the main characters will die this season! I think i have the answer -BEN-! It only would make sense if it would be him, he did really so many bad things (killing twice Locke) this season, and of course the other seasons before!! So my guess is Ben. Maybe…..Sayid really killed young and so adult Ben, who the hell knows that´s Lost! And we never got any answers to what happens if you are dying in the past but you live in real in the “future”!! So..what would happen then, if so then both persons of this perosn – from future/past – have to die!!!! Or not….f-k that, it´s confusing and i have no clue!
Also Ben, young or adult either will have a date with smokey in one of the next episodes!!! So there we will see what happens with him, my guess is adult Ben will be punished from the smoke monster to death!!! It would fit!
here’s a short recap of the episode that i found rather humorous
http://www.premiumhollywood.com/2009/03/25/lost-510-hes-our-you/
Karen post 103- i guess sarcasm doesn’t translate so easily when simply put in a written rather than spoken context.
Big Ben does kind of make a little sence…If little Ben is not revieved the maybe that means Big Ben would need to die as well…
SPOILER!
JACOB´S FACE REVEALED
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/lost-exclusiv-1.html?xid=rss-ausiellofiles-%27Lost%27+exclusive%3A+Is+%27Dexter%27+nutjob+%24%25#@&?%21@&?%21
Pay attention to thos video, I posted it before, but now we have a different perspective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdWLYVRiin8&feature=related
Some thoughts.
Dr. Marvin Candle appears, its probably recorded in 1978, because he mentions we are gonna receive it in 30 years, 2008, when Bush is the president.
He mentions a reliable source, who tould him about the future, wich is probably the losties or FARADAY, wich seems to be the camera man.
So Faraday was around in ‘78.
He says the DI are all dead, cause he was told that the purge would happen later on .
He looks to his left arm and hand as regreting he was gonna loose it soon, cause thats what will happen, as in some dharma oreientation films from the eighties he has a fake left arm.
I guess Sawyer is in the room too during the recording…in the end Pierre Chang seems to say ”La Fleur what are you doing?”
Jason…thanks for the link, very interesting!! Is it true that we will see Jacob in this season final again?? It would be time for him, i mean we saw him last and first time in the fourth season (correct me if i´m wrong), and the end of the hole show is coming “soon”! I wanna see a and hear a person speaking who has that name -Jacob-, who is that f-ing “messiah”, it´s annoying after nearly five seasons to know this man, but only by seeing his face once and other people speaking about how great he is, BS!
Hi foolks, I am here again
My first point is about Ben. Is he dead or alive? You are 4 for No and 8 for YES, I think. Nonetheless some people actually thinks Ben adult is, and always has been, a dead-man. Not absolutely dead (or resurrected) or near alive. In fact, for me it’s the same because he would can act in the future as a living man, and somehow he would be alive.
I’m in Faraday’s time line theory. Ben must be somehow alive to be somehow alive in 1998-2004 period.
and still more:
- Ben doesn’t know Said in 1977
- Said knows Ben because he comes back from the future
- This shot and the father’s abuse is the first cause Ben becomes a bad man.
- Ben is now looking for a revenge. He wants to kill Whidmore’s daughter. That is his only goal right now
He didn’t leave kill his own daughter. He was convinced it will never happen because it was out of the game rules. Whidmore and he are really playing a game.
- 1977 is a very important year. It’s not the incident year or the purge year, it’s the Ben’s dark side birth. When the present conflict begins. Ben will be our Darth Vador.
for my first point is enough. Tomorrow more, I guess..
Wolowitz, post 116 – ok, got it now
preview for this week’s episode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE40K3VYBu4&feature=related
i agree Juliette being really pissed off now that the losties are back! after all her and sawyer built their little happy life in the island and now they’ve come back to ruin everything! i would be really pissed too, overall with kate since sawyer kinda loved her
Sorry if this has already been mentioned but my friend said she saw a random lady on a laptop in a scene from the last episode (or one before), did anyone else see?
Also am i craking up or was there an episode with Ben in a room with other injured people off the plane, with Locke standing over him, they asked if he knew him ?
I’ve mentioned this to 3 lost watchers today and none remember, making me think i dreamt it, lol !
Bex,
No, you aren’t dreaming. That happened in the episode about Locke. (Jeremy Bentham) We don’t know how long the new people were on the island when they found John, but Ceasar took him to see the injured and Ben was among them. We are assuming that Ben was found after Sun clocked him with the oar.
I would be interested if young Ben is now dead – there is a double paradox here, if ben was shot as a child then older Ben does not exists – however, if older Ben does not exist then the Island did not start time jumping (Ben turned the wheel) and so Sayid never jumped back to 1977 to kill young ben….. hmmm.
…I think if young Ben is dead then black smoke might be on its way to correct a few things
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I believe that while Ben is OUT smokie will come to him to judge him, then it will determine weather he lives or not. We may see older Ben and Younger Ben die at the same time.
However if the younger Ben dies how is there a purge?
I hope it’s not Sawyer that dies but Ben can face his maker…
guys it is impossible that young ben dies! as Daniel Faraday said, you can time travel but the course of nothing will be changed and what happened happened. its like a string, you can go back and forth but not asides. Therefore, little Ben will survive
he’s not dead
Okay if Ben is not dead then I’d be okay, but what about Sawyer?
I can understand Sayid since he’s turned into the killing machine and it looks like his story has run it’s course, but Sawyer?
Come on, this can’t be, can it? I feel he has a lot to discover about himself and what kind of leader he could be….. hell kill of Juliette if you have to but not Sawyer…
I still feel Ben should be swimming with the sharks. Remember his comment to Jack, Kate, and Sawyer when they saved his sorry ass from the people on the freighter, you can leave the island and go to the boat. Yeah, because I know it’s gonna blow up…..
Sawyer wont die!
SPOILER AHEAD
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He will meet young Jacob this season.
Three sneak peeks :
http://colunas.tv.globo.com/lostinlost/2009/03/31/tres-cenas-de-whatever-happened-happened/#more-4155
jonathan…thanks for the very interesting trailers!! Miles comment was a little bit shocking for me, it seems he knows more about the island and time travelling that we tought!! He even knows that Ben won´t die, why does he know this? But it´s def. true what he said!!
dude…WHY do you “know” Sawyer will meet YOUNG JACOB, WTF?? That would be very interesting to see! but how can you know this man, tell me please!
I think that Young Ben cannot die, I think it was Sayids purpose to shoot Ben so that he then will realize that he is special. I still believe that while you can’t change the future, you can def change HOW the future happens.
Oh and something that I noticed while rewatching He’s our you,
All the people that Sayid killed were wealthy like Widmore and Ben.
and something I can’t get out of my head is what Ben said to Sayid about him killing everyone that could harm him or his friends. ( I originally thought he said harm his family) but friends , I’m assuming he’s talking about the oceanic surviors. I belive all those people were investors in the DI, and that Ben needed to get rid of them because they all know about the island.
Also Ben stated to Sayid, that he can’t change who he is, like what he was born into. that could relate to the other losties as well. that maybe they were all predestined to be a specific way and theres nothing they can do to change this. like their realness will always be there.
like Jack- his dad was a doc so he grew up and was a doc,like it was predetermined.
Sawyer grew up with wanting revenge for Locke dad scamming his family, his actions are always revengeful.
Sayid was a killer when he was young and has no remorse about it now.
you can make many simularities to the other losties as well, none are the same, but they are in ways.
Does anybody understand what I’m trying to get at here?
Like none of them have free will to change who they are! I think that Ben even said that to Sayid. that he has no free will to change who he is.
thanks for the link jonathan – you’re too quick!
I posted the previews, so if you guys want to move to that thread to keep it all under one, go for it.
http://www.lostreview.com/2009/03/whatever-happened-happened.cfm
Jonathan, thank you for the sneak peeks ! i thought nb 3 was rather interesting, seems that the only one that understood the whole thing was Jack ! WTF are the others thinking trying to save him !!???
O it sux to be behind…hv just watched this ep n loved it…Although we all know Ben can not die as everything that has already happened has happened n we all know he lives mny more years…
Im a little confused though bout bn stuck in the 70’s…If they were really in the 70’s,photos taken n all then y in 2008 can they not remember bn in 1977 when its their past n they should…i guess we know none of them die in the 70’s cause all of them were alive in 2008…Are they stuck in a loop…goin from 1970 eventually making it to 2008 n then end up bn stuck in the 70’s again…If they were on the island in the 70’s y do they not remember that wen they land on the island in 2008???