Hi All,
I just got back from S. America lastnight and had a great time. I haven’t had a chance to catch up on Lost yet (I did get to see LeFleur, but still have to see Namaste) but am glad to see everyone continued to comment and post links to the videos. If your comments were blocked by the filter, they should all be approved now.
Anyway, I at least wanted to give you all a new post to keep things more organized for your comments on tonight’s epsidoe “He’s On You”. I’m gonna get caught up and should be back to posting the sneak peaks in time for next weeks episode!
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johnathan—thank you for putting that up. I defenately remeber that scene as it was also part of a sneak peak…. The first thing that came across my mind when hearing that is…
ONE: How in the world does Widmore know what an “other” is???? Fact is he doesn’t.
TWO: there is so much ambiguity in that conversation, but me won’t be tricked by the writters to make Widmore look good… This man is bad.
THREE: 30 years??? hmmmmm if the DI had been on the island approximately 30yrs and Widmore was a partial investor and again reaaaalllly has no clue what an other is could it be that Widmore actually help start the DI which may have caused a rift between the original inhabitants”others” and the DI. Especially knowing all the references throughout the seasons referencing twosides…good and evil….black and white…two cities…etc.etc.
FOUR: Since Widmore invested in the DI, and he is an “other”…but more importantly a “hostile” but Hostiles and DI don’t get along. Then why in the world would Widmore invest in the DI…???
OH…and FIVE: Widmore’s reference to a war. and Locke needing to get back. If Widmore and Ben are both with the Hostiles…then why in the world would there be a war???? I cant believe I neglected to mention this in the other post but again this one really stood out for me?
Now it is definately possible the war may really be about leadership of the Hostiles and maintaining the peace treaty as opposed to a purge coupled with tricking Wildmore off the island if Widmore is really a Hostile by the time Ben gets there (which i don’t support). but please keep in mind during this treaty…the DI starts to build the Swan station… In this weeks episode it has been eluded to that the Swan station is being built out of treaty bounds. I guess the Swan station could not cause a rift in this treaty????
Wolowitz – ben a nice bloke ??! what are you talking about ? he killed Locke, he killed the whole DI and he’s done awful things (like letting her daughter get killed, hello?!) so please rethink about it
Jonathan, re post 91 – that is brilliant to raise! i am sure that someone in the past that now’s the present who knew charlie would save everyone and that he was a musician configured it on purpose. my bets are on Jack!
CPL post 92- well i was only saying about Charlotte, not everyone else. Faraday is special, he had done experiments with time travelling and could provide a lot of knowledge to the team. Lapidus was going to pilote the Oceanic 815 initially that makes him some sort of “survivor”, also reason why Widmore recruited him. And miles, well he’s special too with his medium powers… need i say more? the only one im curious about is Naomi… what made HER special and why was she leading the group… ?
JAson post 101 – i correct you. Widmore does know what an other is because when he was part of the initiative, others were known as hostiles. my guess is that as you say, the conversation is so ambigous that he must think an other is a DI member. It makes complete sense that Widmore is a member of the DI and saying that they protected the island for more than 3 decades also makes sense. We could be mislead by thinking Widmore is an other, i am guessing he’s trying to confuse John. And i dont know who the bad seed is here, what has Widmore done so bad ??? he has only treated Desmond really bad but that’s about it… he hasnt killed anyone.
Soldier Kimmy that had been hired by W did kill some people but only others (Ben’s daughter Alex)… and also ask yourself why would W want Ben so badly if he were an other since Ben is too and he is even the leader of all the others (Richard etc). No way W is an other
Karen….thank you for explaining it in a way that I could not. I was using “Other’s” in the context of Oceanic815… so yes he doesn’t know but in the way you explained does know. And for 4-5 seasons know “others” have always been Richard and them. Based on what people are saying on here from their perspective Post99 and “other” would be the DI??? and this just makes no sence to me.
I agree with you mostly that Widmore has not shown really any sign of bad things…keep in mind Charles Manson didn’t kill anyone either.(if you don’t know who he is sorry for the reference). But Hey, Sawyer, Kate, Locke got someone to do his dirty work, Charlie, Sayid, all killed people too…do we realllllyyy think of them as bad. And as far as Ben orchestrating and commiting the purge has yet to be seen…all we have seen is a participation. Ben’s daughter…that was a bluff move gone wrong.
Widmore I feel,,, it will be revealed that he tried to extort the island…which in my perspective is bad.
….But eitherway….we still have a season and a quarter left to find out.
Jason, as far as i am concerned, Widmore was the leader of the hostiles, wich later on became the others .
I missed to see any evidence connecting him with DI.
Please let me know about it.
I posted a link that support this theory…Heavily.
From there..there are many more if the time is taken to look other then that….I concede.. Time will tell
Does anyone know if we will be getting the story of Henry Gale (the guy in the hot air balloon) from season 2, and the story of how Ben ended up in Danielle’s net??
it wasnt even his daughter he stole her….f-that guy hope he dies this season
adam ur right but still when he stole the baby and she grew during 18 years, it is obvious he still considered her as her daughter. and i agree w/u, hope he dies for good this season. That Locke kills him !!!
By the way, Scott…mentioned here that somebody of the main characters will die this season! I think i have the answer -BEN-! It only would make sense if it would be him, he did really so many bad things (killing twice Locke) this season, and of course the other seasons before!! So my guess is Ben. Maybe…..Sayid really killed young and so adult Ben, who the hell knows that´s Lost! And we never got any answers to what happens if you are dying in the past but you live in real in the “future”!! So..what would happen then, if so then both persons of this perosn – from future/past – have to die!!!! Or not….f-k that, it´s confusing and i have no clue!
Also Ben, young or adult either will have a date with smokey in one of the next episodes!!! So there we will see what happens with him, my guess is adult Ben will be punished from the smoke monster to death!!! It would fit!
here’s a short recap of the episode that i found rather humorous
http://www.premiumhollywood.com/2009/03/25/lost-510-hes-our-you/
Karen post 103- i guess sarcasm doesn’t translate so easily when simply put in a written rather than spoken context.
Big Ben does kind of make a little sence…If little Ben is not revieved the maybe that means Big Ben would need to die as well…
SPOILER!
JACOB´S FACE REVEALED
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/lost-exclusiv-1.html?xid=rss-ausiellofiles-%27Lost%27+exclusive%3A+Is+%27Dexter%27+nutjob+%24%25#@&?%21@&?%21
Pay attention to thos video, I posted it before, but now we have a different perspective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdWLYVRiin8&feature=related
Some thoughts.
Dr. Marvin Candle appears, its probably recorded in 1978, because he mentions we are gonna receive it in 30 years, 2008, when Bush is the president.
He mentions a reliable source, who tould him about the future, wich is probably the losties or FARADAY, wich seems to be the camera man.
So Faraday was around in ’78.
He says the DI are all dead, cause he was told that the purge would happen later on .
He looks to his left arm and hand as regreting he was gonna loose it soon, cause thats what will happen, as in some dharma oreientation films from the eighties he has a fake left arm.
I guess Sawyer is in the room too during the recording…in the end Pierre Chang seems to say ”La Fleur what are you doing?”
Jason…thanks for the link, very interesting!! Is it true that we will see Jacob in this season final again?? It would be time for him, i mean we saw him last and first time in the fourth season (correct me if i´m wrong), and the end of the hole show is coming “soon”! I wanna see a and hear a person speaking who has that name -Jacob-, who is that f-ing “messiah”, it´s annoying after nearly five seasons to know this man, but only by seeing his face once and other people speaking about how great he is, BS!
Hi foolks, I am here again
My first point is about Ben. Is he dead or alive? You are 4 for No and 8 for YES, I think. Nonetheless some people actually thinks Ben adult is, and always has been, a dead-man. Not absolutely dead (or resurrected) or near alive. In fact, for me it’s the same because he would can act in the future as a living man, and somehow he would be alive.
I’m in Faraday’s time line theory. Ben must be somehow alive to be somehow alive in 1998-2004 period.
and still more:
- Ben doesn’t know Said in 1977
- Said knows Ben because he comes back from the future
- This shot and the father’s abuse is the first cause Ben becomes a bad man.
- Ben is now looking for a revenge. He wants to kill Whidmore’s daughter. That is his only goal right now
He didn’t leave kill his own daughter. He was convinced it will never happen because it was out of the game rules. Whidmore and he are really playing a game.
- 1977 is a very important year. It’s not the incident year or the purge year, it’s the Ben’s dark side birth. When the present conflict begins. Ben will be our Darth Vador.
for my first point is enough. Tomorrow more, I guess..
Wolowitz, post 116 – ok, got it now
preview for this week’s episode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE40K3VYBu4&feature=related
i agree Juliette being really pissed off now that the losties are back! after all her and sawyer built their little happy life in the island and now they’ve come back to ruin everything! i would be really pissed too, overall with kate since sawyer kinda loved her
Sorry if this has already been mentioned but my friend said she saw a random lady on a laptop in a scene from the last episode (or one before), did anyone else see?
Also am i craking up or was there an episode with Ben in a room with other injured people off the plane, with Locke standing over him, they asked if he knew him ?
I’ve mentioned this to 3 lost watchers today and none remember, making me think i dreamt it, lol !
Bex,
No, you aren’t dreaming. That happened in the episode about Locke. (Jeremy Bentham) We don’t know how long the new people were on the island when they found John, but Ceasar took him to see the injured and Ben was among them. We are assuming that Ben was found after Sun clocked him with the oar.
I would be interested if young Ben is now dead – there is a double paradox here, if ben was shot as a child then older Ben does not exists – however, if older Ben does not exist then the Island did not start time jumping (Ben turned the wheel) and so Sayid never jumped back to 1977 to kill young ben….. hmmm.
…I think if young Ben is dead then black smoke might be on its way to correct a few things
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I believe that while Ben is OUT smokie will come to him to judge him, then it will determine weather he lives or not. We may see older Ben and Younger Ben die at the same time.
However if the younger Ben dies how is there a purge?
I hope it’s not Sawyer that dies but Ben can face his maker…
guys it is impossible that young ben dies! as Daniel Faraday said, you can time travel but the course of nothing will be changed and what happened happened. its like a string, you can go back and forth but not asides. Therefore, little Ben will survive
he’s not dead
Okay if Ben is not dead then I’d be okay, but what about Sawyer?
I can understand Sayid since he’s turned into the killing machine and it looks like his story has run it’s course, but Sawyer?
Come on, this can’t be, can it? I feel he has a lot to discover about himself and what kind of leader he could be….. hell kill of Juliette if you have to but not Sawyer…
I still feel Ben should be swimming with the sharks. Remember his comment to Jack, Kate, and Sawyer when they saved his sorry ass from the people on the freighter, you can leave the island and go to the boat. Yeah, because I know it’s gonna blow up…..
Sawyer wont die!
SPOILER AHEAD
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He will meet young Jacob this season.
Three sneak peeks :
http://colunas.tv.globo.com/lostinlost/2009/03/31/tres-cenas-de-whatever-happened-happened/#more-4155
jonathan…thanks for the very interesting trailers!! Miles comment was a little bit shocking for me, it seems he knows more about the island and time travelling that we tought!! He even knows that Ben won´t die, why does he know this? But it´s def. true what he said!!
dude…WHY do you “know” Sawyer will meet YOUNG JACOB, WTF?? That would be very interesting to see! but how can you know this man, tell me please!
I think that Young Ben cannot die, I think it was Sayids purpose to shoot Ben so that he then will realize that he is special. I still believe that while you can’t change the future, you can def change HOW the future happens.
Oh and something that I noticed while rewatching He’s our you,
All the people that Sayid killed were wealthy like Widmore and Ben.
and something I can’t get out of my head is what Ben said to Sayid about him killing everyone that could harm him or his friends. ( I originally thought he said harm his family) but friends , I’m assuming he’s talking about the oceanic surviors. I belive all those people were investors in the DI, and that Ben needed to get rid of them because they all know about the island.
Also Ben stated to Sayid, that he can’t change who he is, like what he was born into. that could relate to the other losties as well. that maybe they were all predestined to be a specific way and theres nothing they can do to change this. like their realness will always be there.
like Jack- his dad was a doc so he grew up and was a doc,like it was predetermined.
Sawyer grew up with wanting revenge for Locke dad scamming his family, his actions are always revengeful.
Sayid was a killer when he was young and has no remorse about it now.
you can make many simularities to the other losties as well, none are the same, but they are in ways.
Does anybody understand what I’m trying to get at here?
Like none of them have free will to change who they are! I think that Ben even said that to Sayid. that he has no free will to change who he is.
thanks for the link jonathan – you’re too quick!
I posted the previews, so if you guys want to move to that thread to keep it all under one, go for it.
http://www.lostreview.com/2009/03/whatever-happened-happened.cfm
Jonathan, thank you for the sneak peeks ! i thought nb 3 was rather interesting, seems that the only one that understood the whole thing was Jack ! WTF are the others thinking trying to save him !!???
O it sux to be behind…hv just watched this ep n loved it…Although we all know Ben can not die as everything that has already happened has happened n we all know he lives mny more years…
Im a little confused though bout bn stuck in the 70′s…If they were really in the 70′s,photos taken n all then y in 2008 can they not remember bn in 1977 when its their past n they should…i guess we know none of them die in the 70′s cause all of them were alive in 2008…Are they stuck in a loop…goin from 1970 eventually making it to 2008 n then end up bn stuck in the 70′s again…If they were on the island in the 70′s y do they not remember that wen they land on the island in 2008???