Sun is after Ben..not Jack. Ben says Jin’s still alive and he can prove it. The question is, how?
Rousseau’s team and Jin are looking for someone named Nadine. Smokey finds them instead. The Ryan Seacrest look alike is pulled into a familiar situation of being dragged into a hole like John Locke once was.
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Wow. Sun is just a bad-mamma-jamma!!!! Wow. I was right all along that Ben is the second person she blamed for Jin’s death. Clearly, it was no coincidence that she was in LA. The question is how did she know Ben would be there, unless Widmore told her.
Scott, for some reason both of the videos above are the same (about Sun.) Did the wrong one get attached???
Thanks Totallylost – should be fixed now.
Like I said in the the other post….maybe this is when we finnally discover how Montrand loses his arm…..
I am curious as to how Ben will show Sun how Jin is still alive….I hope it won’t be this…”Just come with me Sun. Back to the island yes…all of us… and I’ll show you. I’ll show you where Jin is. I’ll show you Sun Jin is still alive. We…we just have to get back to the island. So…..Sun….Please put the gun down”
Hey guys, i just read who will be a guest star in the upcoming episode!!
It´s Cristian Shephard and Eloise Hawking!!!!
I have the feeling that this will be a good episode…I HOPE!!!
Jason
At first a question to you: Sorry, i forgot this but who is MONTRAND which lost his arm???? I have really no idea!!
Second…haha..funny written about what Ben could say!!
I´m curious too how Ben will proof/explain Sun how Jin could be alive!?!?
We´ll see today!!
Thanks Scott!!!
Jason– I am wracking my brain to remember who Montrand is, and it just is not coming to me. Who is he and what is the deal with losing an arm?? HELP!!! I am lost!!
Also, I have an observation as there have been so many posts about the purpose of the Smoke Monster. When it tried to take John it tried to drag him down a hole, and he is doing the same thing here to the french guy. Yet still, when He killed Echo he didn’t drag him, but bashed him around, just like Keamy’s man (never mind that Echo died right away and Keamy’s man walked away with a little help.) Also, didn’t the Oceanic 6 pilot who was sucked out of the cockpit window in the premier end up in a tree just like Nadine?? Why the differences? I mean dragging, bashing and tossing into trees. Does it have some significance or am I grasping at straws??
I give it up trying put a picture here in; via gravater!!
don´t know but ít isn´t working, WHATEVER!!!!
great clips. looking forward to this episode.
Montrand is the name of one of the crew members from Danielle Rousseau’s team. Early on she mentioned that Montrand lost an arm on the island.
CPL – Give it some time. It can take a while for the picture to start showing up on sites after you’ve signed up and added it to Gravatar. Also, make sure your entering the same email address here that you used to sign up with there.
THANKS SCOTT!!!
You have to know, i gave the same email adress like here on gravatar-registration!! After sending my email adress i got an OK, “Confirmation eMail sent to your email adress” – but i never received any confirmation email on my email account!! Weird, and i tried with another two different email adresses too, BUT again, i got nothing!!
WHATEVER……i thank you Scott for answering and i will try it farther on, maybe it will work some day!!
I hope i don´t bother you about that(my) stuff!!!
Excuse me if i do!!!
I’m disappointed that sun is after ben. Its just be jack! I think in last weeks clip it shows the part that comes just after the sun and ben clip above. Sayid is behind sun, sun is pointing a gun at ben and ben says something to sayid, i’ll go check
Sorry my comment is acting the maggot. When i said it just be jack i meant ben is so obvious i thought it must be jack as he’s in the photos with ben. Lost usually don’t do obvious! Also when smokey was pulling that guy it looked like the smoke was going around his arm, maybe thats how he loses his arm, smokey just pulls it off to get him?
I believe before Locke’s demise in present time he made have contacted Ben. If Locke sees Jin before he goes to the real time that may be the answer and he would have some proof that he is alive.
I’m also glad to see smokie back. I like that element of death on the show. MAN! I can’t wait for tonight!
I do agree with Lolo that Ben was too obvious however I still can’t believe it’s Wodmore that put her up to it, remember she had no clue about Widmore at the airport before she was heading out to LA he had her held at the airport.
My thought would be she had Jack followed and was looking for him maybe to help her find Ben, she just got lucky to find them both together.
I like the idea that the scene in the second video is where he looses his arm.
I am also interested to know what that structure is that the Monster is trying to pull Montrand under. Can’t really even tell if it is man made or just natural rock formations. I would like to belive that what ever it is, is going to be related to the four toed statue cause I really would like to have answers on that one.
And about the first video, if Ben can prove to Sun that Jin is still alive, I don’t think it will matter at all anymore who Sun blames for Jin’s death. But I do think it will make her want to go back to the island.
Richard7769. Great call about Locke telling Ben about Jin being alive. I was wracking my brain to figure out how He would know. It seems very plausible, and I am hoping that in this eposiode Jin will time travel and meet up with Locke near the Orchid, so we can see if this is true.
Lolo-I am with you. It is a little disappointing and obvious that Sun blamed Ben for Jin. Also, I went back to the clip and did not see Sayid saying something to Ben. But, He did not seem so concerned about the gun. Something is not right here.
By the way, does anyone know why smokey never visited the tail section losties??
I don’t think there is a particular reason for how the smoke monster kills. I liken it to a cat killing it’s prey. Sometimes it tosses the mouse around and batting it between it’s paws. Other times it just goes right for the neck and snaps it.
I just want to know what the heck it really is. The episode where the Others camp was attacked by Widmore’s henchmen offered a glipse (as Ben summoned it), but otherwise it’s another “mystery” of the island.
I would write more but need to send my pay4gold envelope off…
One way I can think of that may be the cause for Sun blaming Ben for Jins death would be if, when Locke got off the island and went to visit those who had left like Jack, Hurley, etc,. He stopped in Korea and saw Sun first and told her that Ben had knowingly killed Keamy causing the dead mans trigger to activate and blow up the boat with Jin aboard. This would lead me to believe that Locke has no idea Jin survived, hence them never meeting up before Locke gets off the island.
On the flip side, Locke may have gotten off the island and told Ben that Jin was alive and thats how they could get Sun to return. They never mention in the show if Locke went to visit Sun as Jeremy bentham. Its only been confirmed that he visited Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, and Walt, but never Sun. It could be intentionally played out this way.
We’ll see. Enjoy the show tonight everyone.
Holy CRAP!!! Man what an episode the show is going in such a good but strange direction. One thing i can’t help but wonder is…will Jack ever become a great leader…
I am really starting to feel for Locke….. I mean he is constantly sacrificing hiself…(will he ever find out what the hell Smokie is)
I am begining to think Ben actually killed Locke.
Oh another thing that came to mind…. I wonder if the temple we saw tonight was the same temple Ben told his people to go to.
Oh…OH…. again….. was anyone besides me glad to see Charlotte go!….. “Whut” quote Charlotte everyother episode.
Jones……..The temple had Hyrogriphic(spellcheck) on it. Did you see those?
I hope there will be a translation somewhere between Jin and Charlotte.
I also like how they gave us a little insight into smokies purpose…(a gardian for the temple).
Was it me or did this episode seem longer????
Ok….last one…I promise…..
Was anyone else laughing like I was when Ben snapped on Jack and Sun!!! That was funny! He is always calling someones bluff except when Alex got jacked.
Looks like an interesting episode ! i wish the writers could provide more answers regarding the Black Smoke. what is this thing ? Ben clearly knows more, maybe something he engineered?
Jason – how come you already watch the episode ??? and how come you dont like charlotte ! and her accent !
Karen…..”whut”
I live on the East coast (us) so I guess that’s how I get a chance to see it early??? Charlotte was ok, but they(the writters) weren’t pushing her enough. It seems whenever one goes another comes (charater) Im predicting a new character emerging if not this next episode the on after. (My guess is the character will relate to the group of people that were shouting at Locke and them on the boat…in last weeks episode). My next guess is miles wont last long either.
Karen, anything else cross your mind about last-nights show?
Jason- I was not sorry to see Charlotte go (sorry Karen) but some good interesting tidbits that Faraday had went back and saw her when she was little and warned her about coming back. Remember you can’t change time.
The smoke monster looks to be a guardian of the temple so to speak, I was glad to see it make it’s way back. You know Ben seemed to have some control of it maybe the others can speak to it and Ben being the leader was able to keep it under his command.
I do agree that last night’s episode was the best this year. It was funny that Ben snapped at Jack and Sun. I knew Locke had to find Ben to get him to have the 6 come back.
So the thought is when they come back will it be 3 years later or present too their time? Will Sawyer and Juliette have a kid and has anyone killed Miles for being a smart***.
I hate to wish my life away but I can’t wait until next week.
Great episode. Some thoughts about it:
– Suposing that Locke’d legs were cured when he first got to the island because the island was in a time before he had got injured in real word, can we say that he hurted his legs when he fell down the well because he went to the future, in a time when he was allready crippled in the outside world?
– Is it the ”funny way fate has of course correcting”?
– What exactly is Jack’s father role in all of this? Why was he the one to meet Locke down the well? Could him be Jacob?
– Who were Charlotte´s parents?
Excuse my english, guys…i’m brazilian.
Here’s something a little odd but I did notice, Claire’s mom on 5.04 looked different than before so I went back and looked at it. I guess she had work done on her face. When she met Jack at the memorial she had moles on her eye and chin but they had been removed in the 5.04 episode.
great episode, wondering if Dr Candle is Charlotte’s father or Miles, any thoughts? And so, Eloise Hawings is Faraday’s mother? And was it just me or did Ben look suprised when Desmond said he was there to see Faraday’s mother.So now that Locke moved the wheel does that mean that the losties are not shifting through time anymore. Did Locke fix this?
Wow. Great eposide. Here are my thoughts/questions.
Biglostfan– I am with you. Ben seemed surprised, but I am wondering if it was becasue Desmond was looking for Farday’s mother, or the fact that Farday is Ms. Hawkings son. I could not tell.
Smokey- Well, if smokey guards the temple, why has he randomly atacked people and all over the island. I cannot see how all those axed by smokey somehow threatened the security of the temple.
Jin. Any reason why he had a red star on the back of his shirt? Anyway, it is good to have him back.
The Temple. Jason above was wondering whether the temple was the same one Ben sent his people too before he moved the island. It would seem so. But, I recall Ben saying that the temple was one of the few places where the others would be safe. After all, that is where he sent Karl, Alex and Danielle. If that was true, that was clearly not the case for Danielle’s people who went in there and became sick. Also, if it was the same temple, wouldn’t Danielle in season 4 have refused to go there when Ben told here to take Alex there because of what happened to her and her crew? I would think so if it was the same place, unless Danielle was too crazy to remember.
Locke. He keeps getting hurt at the same part of his legs. He’s been shot in that leg, He crushed that leg, and he got the tree stump or spear in it in this eposode. There may be others but you get my point. Why?
Charlotte. I am sad to see her go (a little). When she first talked about the scary man from the island I for sure thought she woudld say it was Jacob. But Daniel?? I am lost. Now I want to know who is her mother? Perhaps the lady Desmond saw in London? Maybe she is Widmore’s daughter or granddaughter.
Sawyer- Was it me or was his emotional reaction to the closed well a little overboard, even for him?? Also, now that the wheel has been stopped, it will be interesting to see what time period everyone is in. Maybe Bernard and Rose will be by the creek with the rest of the remaining 20 or so losties.
Christian Sheppard. Great point about John being the one who was supposed to move the island-not Ben. I totlly missed that one.
Totallylost….Yeah I thought that at first as a knee jerk reation to Sawyer…but then I realized he has now at least so far this season as refered to as James…. From my understanding his character will be taking more of Chivelry(spell check) type change like (Han Solo) in Star Wars…. So again…I thought it was over the top at first but then I found it kind of refreshing… Jack on the other hand I am sick of tiny man hopeless sydrom…I want to start seeing him and hope to see him as the knight in shinning armor.
I missed the point as well about moving the island but…..it seemed to confirm at least in my mind that Ben is about 5 steps ahaed and will stop at nothing to get what he wants…i still believe he preplanned his leave ahead of time and had stuff waiting for him on the main land as some sort of contengency plan. but that statement about the moving of the island couple with the look on his face when desmond arrived also supports my theory of ben that I hold.
As far as Danielle keep in mind that at some point Ben ends up with her daughter was this a shared circumstance or was she taken…we don’t know yet but eitherway the time between when she arrived and her death gives plenty of time to learn more about the island i mean she had been there 16 years…. Even though she was crazy.
I plan on commenting more in a bit, but for now, has anybody noticed that the heiroglyphics on that “temple” wall were the same ones that were on the clock in the hatch after it ran past zero. (The symbols that were in red and black when the button was not pushed in time)
Random Thoughts…
Is Des’s kid really named after Charlie or Charles Widmore?
Remember, Charlotte said she just remembered about the scary man telling her she would die. It was about two minutes after she told Faraday that she was from the island. Just like Des, she didn’t have the memory until then. We saw in the premiere that Faraday was at the Orchid when it was being built. He saw her as a kid and told her about it and she only remembered it after she told him she was from there.
Am I missing something, or shouldn’t all of the Losties be each other’s constants when the island keeps flashing?
Oh yeah, just kidding about the Charlie thing. But hey, think about it…
Moohaha– great catch regarding the heiroglyphics on that “temple” wall and of those in the hatch. Weren’t there also the same ones on the pole near the donkey wheel when Ben went in there at the end of season 4??
Jason– Thanks for the comment on Sawyer/James. It makes sense now, given the concern he has shown for others this season.
Im not sure if they are the same as the marks by the frozen wheel. I couldnt see those as clear, but in my opinion, i dont think they will end up being the same.
The ones by the frozen wheel look more like the ones on the secret door in Bens closet (where he goes to summon the smoke monster in season 4).
Dont know what they are supposed to mean, but I suspect they will somehow tie in with the four toed statue
GREAT EPISODE
Somebody recognized(heard) that too, when the french crew were on their way to the radiotower, before the “smoke guard system” came; their speaker, somebody was always repeating the strange NUMBERS (like rousseaus´s message). So that explains after what they were going on the island, at least a little bit!!
Moohaha….the hyroglyp…(sorry) on the temple were the same like in the swan station, after the 108 min., wow…youre right….very good observed!!
Hey…i don´t know but, the temples – too strange, the “others” are as we saw WITH the temple and their strange guard system(smoke)! It seems like the Dharma was there to control that time-shipping-island, so that nobody wrong could take control over it??
At least….Desmond…..it seems that after we know that “the rules” don´t apply to Des he could be somekind of a hero, because…..i think Mr. Hawkings isn´t planning something good and our losties are running in the wrong way?
It seems to me so, and that she told once Desmond that he will never be something special, only good for turning the key…..i think she was washing his mind so that he thinks the same about himself!! ..but i like Des..
A very good way which season 5 goes wright now!
I just had a second look at last nights episode on ABC.com. The scene I was most interested in was when Desmond walked upon on Kate Sun, Jack and Ben. When Desmond said he was looking for “Farday’s Mother” Ben truly looked surprised, and almost as if he had been duped by Ms. Hawking.
C.P.L. I think you are right that Ms. Hawking is devious and has a bad plan for the losties. Correct me if I am wrong but in episode 5.02 (I think) wasn’t Hawking VERY insistent that Ben round up all six? So why now is she saying that “It will do for now”, and rather calmly at that? It is almost as if she has a plan B to get the rest, in case Ben failed. Maybe that is what the other 2 guys referenced at the butcher shop are charged with doing.
As for the donkey wheel, where was all the cold that Ben had when He was in there?
Last, what is the matter with Jack??? He has been duped 2 times by Ben and he is still following Him around. I don’t get it. Maybe he is in withdrawls and is a little defenseless, but still.
Sorry, I did not mean to say Kate above, as she was not there.
Hey all
I think you’re all right about the temple being the same one that ben told Alex to go to but were the others really there? Didn’t john find them in the jungle?
Also please someone correct me if i’m wrong but danielle says she arrived in 1988, didn’t the purge occur in 1992 on bens birthday? 4 years after she says she arrived and changed the radio tower message? Surely she would have come into contact with the others or dharma in those four years and dharma would have still been using the radio tower to communicate? Also was alex really taken for ben because i thought he only joined them at the purge which would have been when alex was 4?
Totallylost..Very good thought about Ms. Hawkings “plan B”, in connecting to the other two guys mentioned at the butcher shop! we´ll see
Locke´s way is for me still very strange in some points, like what it is always with his legs…or why he didn´t feel cold in the “frozen” donkey wheel….what`s again funny too, at least for me. I`m curious on next weeks ep. to see how Locke will do himself off the island again…..could it be that it make sense Locke is again a cripple outside the island?
I have to say – Faraday is a very strange man! Seems he will play a bigger role in future!?
slightly confused….didn’t ben claim Alex was his daughter, yet clearly Rousseau appears to arrive on the island already quite heavily pregnant…so she can’t legitimately be Ben’s and therefore they must have taken her at an early age.
Also with Charlotte saying she remembers she had been on the island before, she said there was this crazy man (possibly crazy old man..not sure) who told her not to return….and then she confirmed she thought it was Daniel who was this man. Which brings me to the assumption that Daniel basically doesn’t age, because if he was a man when Charlotte was young, and now of similar age to her, it either means his ageing process is alot slower or he just doesn’t age. Which somehow kind of links him to Richard, but im not sure how.
Also talking of Jacob, and who he could be….everybody seems to have forgotten about Walt. Im not saying he is Jacob but he sure had some strong links to him…is he going to return at some point?
Was it just me or did anyone else think that Charlotte was talking about Jacob when she said a big scary man told her she would die if she came back to the island.
Scott..I really thought the same when charlotte was speaking about that “scary man”, but it wouldn´t be Lost if that would be true!?
I still have no idea what´s exactly about Faraday and his Mother, which role they are playing????
Totallylost….That’s what I was wondering too when shown the donkey wheel…Where was the ice? But something else I noticed that when it was frozen the island seemed to be stationary…..Now that the island is bouncing around, did you notice how the wheel was too. and there was this strange noise as if something was bumping into wall or what not….I am very curious to learn what the rest of that cavern looks like….I think is a statue or somithing to that effect the wheel may be axis to….Eitherway what’s that all about?
I am begining to think Daniel has been groomed from a young age to work for his mother…etc. etc.
Scott-I was first thinking the same thing
Scott- I am with you. I thought she was talking about Jacob at first until she identified Daniel. But still, maybe there is some yet undiscovered connection there.
Lolo–Good catch on the 1988 date. I may have to go back and look at previous episodes, but a few things. First, Danielle said (I think to Sayid) that she never saw anyone else on the island in the years she was there, but could only hear them. Second, I don’t think that either Dharma or the others post-purge used the radio tower or did Danielle’s signal interfere with their communications. If it did, it would have been real easy for them to go up there and shut it off. It is not like Danielle was guarding it, and she said she had not been up there since the time she put the SOS there. Also, the others were able to communicate freely using the station when Patchy was before John blew it up. That was where they showed Juliete her sister at the park. So, if they could do that with her message still on, the tower had no relevance.
As for Alex, both Ben and Danielle on separate occasions said that Alex was taken as a baby. So, there is something off with the timing.
Jason- you mentioned in post #17 that you thought that Ben might have killed Locke off the island. Maybe, but what makes you think that? I am trying to figure that out but cannot come up with anything.
Scott – just as a suggestion, i think maybe a message concerning Alex not being Ben’s real daughter might be needed on the site. (Similar to the one last year about the flashforward of Jin buying the Panda) as he already admitted that he stole her as a baby from Rousseau, but some of the people are still weighing in on this as if it hadnt been solved. Just an idea to help eliminate confusion.
Additionally, Im under the impression that Farady visits Charlotte in the future during one of the flashes. What I mean is that at the point where Charlotte died in last nights episode, Faraday hasnt actually told young Charlotte to stay off the island yet. He will see her sometime in the coming episodes and tell her this. Possibly around the same time he poses as a construction worker at the Orchid. (as seen in “Because you left”)
Someone above made the comment about Ben fooling jack on multiple occasions, yet jack still follows him. I agree that it seems strange, but I think that since Jacks pill addiction, he is now a changed person, and realizes that he must return to the island at all costs. Therefore, he knows Ben is his best chance to get back, so he is letting the events play out as they are. I mean ben hasnt done anything that bad to him so far. He just hasnt been completely honest with Jack. But then again, thats how he is with everyone.
The fact that he didnt know that Hawking was Faradys mother seems accurate, but what makes this important, i have to say I have no idea….yet.
One thing that bothered me was that when Desmond showed up, nobody was really surprised to see him. it was as if it wasnt even important or meaningful that he was there. The person who barely even knows him showed the most emotion toward seeing him, and that was Ben. Jack or Sun seemed like they could give shit less. Just an observation.
Ill have to get more later after I can watch it again.
oh, two more things….that scene with Sawyer digging at the dirt was lame. I mean come on.
Also, its amazing how good Jins english has gotten since the freighter blew up.I understand the purpose for it on the show, but it just seems forced at times when he speaks.
Moohaha– You are so right about Desmond. No one seemed the least bit surprised to see him, and it appears that He and Penny have been hiding out for almonst three years, so no one would have been in touch with them.
Another point is that Ben and Desmond have NEVER MET (Please correct me I am wrong). So, how did Ben know who he was??
OK folks– here I go agian. My mind is racing. This time it is about Jacob and Christian. It has bothered me since last season that Christain is now speaking for Jacob. Well, why?? Is it because Jacob uses the dead to reveal himself or to take on human form?
Also, it seems to me that Christian is only speaking for Jacob temporarily. Perhaps Ben somehow knows that this is how Jacob can reveal himself, and is the reason why He is so insistent in preserving Locke’s body and bringing it back to the island. Kind of like a “resurrection” type deal. After all, since Ben has such a hold on Locke (and always had), if Jacob inhabits Locke and resurrects him, maybe that would get Ben back into Jacob’s good graces, especially considering that Jacob tossed Ben into the cabin wall when he said to locke “Help me” OK– I just lost myself with the above. Like I said, my mind is racing (no, it is not because of crack!!)
One last thing. Do you remember back in season 2 (or 1)when Locke looked into the face of Smokie, and he was all happy, and even when smokey was trying to drag him down into the hole that Locke wanted to go with him?? Well, perhaps Smokie was really Jacob, or Jacob was using Smokie, to call Locke to be the leader.
I know, call me crazy, but there has to be a connection.
Auf Wiedersehen!!!
Hey,
A great episode indeed ! There is this small remark. Rousseau and Jin met twice in the past (the 2 scenes of episode 5). Haven’t they ever met after the plane crashed ? Didn’t Rousseau see Jin at all nor remember him from the past ?
Hi totallylost, thanks for replying.
The point i was more trying to make was that it seems like danielle had arrived 4 years prior to the purge so both dharma and the others were there at that time. Also regarding alex, ben was supposed to have taken her as a baby but he only joined the others after the purge? So alex would have been 4. What happened to her in those 4 years? Why did they take her and who took her? I understand your point about the radio tower post purge but if i’m right about the dates, the danielles message had been there for 4 years pre purge when dharma were still alive and kicking. They built the radio tower for something, if an unknown person changed the message to an SOS when both dharma and the others didn’t want the island revealed, wouldn’t they have at least investigated? Danielle says she never encountered anyone in 4 years on the island and only heard whispers. During the four years dharma were moving all over the island to their stations, and having regular battles with the others, it seems a fair amount of people were also coming and going at the dock and danielle has never seen anyone? I don’t think danielle is telling the whole truth.
Scott i also thought charlotte was referring to jacob.
I’m disappointed in Charlottes death because we found out so little about her. She could have had a great story to tell and there are a lot of unanswered questions about her like who was her father? Why did she leave the island? Why did her mother lie to her about its existence? Why was the island so important to her that she dedicated her life to finding it? I think she could have explained a lot about dharma to the losties also. I agree with whoever said that in a flash to come daniel will tell charlotte to stay away from the island. Daniel was fairly shocked and didn’t have a clue what was going on, i doubt that he is also ageless and its already happened.
Another thing i thought last night was that ben and jacob are definitely on opposite sides now. Jacob asked locke for help, jacob didn’t cure bens tumor, jacob recruited locke as the new leader. From last nights revelation that ben was never supposed to leave the island and locke was supposed to move it, it would seem like jacob has completely ‘disowned’ ben, especially from the comment about where has listening to ben ever gotten you. At this point though i’m not sure if jacob is good or bad.
Also from what Christian said it sounded like the island did move. So if the island did move, is the group moving through time just a side effect from the wheel being off its axis (or whatever Christian said was the problem)? and did that happen because the wrong person moved it?
Anyone have any ideas on what ben meant by saying if you had any idea what i’d done for you??? Are we supposed to believe that ben has been their secret bodyguard over the three years?
Just one last bit and i’m sorry about all the ramblings! But what we’re seeing on the island is a few days after it moved, what we’re seeing off island is three years later…given that nearly all of them have had nosebleeds and Charlotte died so quickly, wouldn’t the losties be long dead after 3 years? Or is turning the wheel supposed to have saved them? If so what is the point of the o6 coming back?
One more thought about sawyer, it might be that he genuinely believed locke knew the only way to stop the flashes, they all saw what happened to charlotte and sawyer had a nosebleed himself. So when he saw the rope stuck in the ground he might have been upset because he thought their only hope was gone and they were all going to die from the nosebleeds too?
I actually thought that everyone else’s (beside’s James)reaction after the flash when Locke was going into the well was kind of off. I mean really, the guy is probably buried alive, depending on what time they flashed too, the well opening could have been covered over with a few inches of dirt. I know my reaction wouldn’t be “oh well he is gone”.
The temple has to be the same as the one ben sent his people too. The comment of “thats the only place they will be safe” makes perfect sense because the monster would protect them if they were in there. I really hope it’s story lines up with the statue soon. I also noticed the symbols on the walls but didn’t match them up with anything, good catch on that one.
Anyone remember the video of Dr.Candle trying to make some kind of distress signal, you know the one with the baby crying in the background (possibly Miles), well I really think that the “reliable source” that he mentions in that video is Faraday. I also think that that is when he tells Charrlet never to come back to the island.
OH yeah, I don’t know if Des and Ben have ever met but before this time Ben could have seen Des. Remember there was a video feed to the Pearl from the Hatch. I remember Ben and Juliet at the pearl watching Jack saying that he is the one that they need to get.
Eitherway I still don’t think Des knows that Ben wants to kill Penny.
I guess Rouseeau was telling the truth when she told Sayid that she took the firing pin out of Roberts Gun because she suspected he had the sickness.
Rousseau said to Jin he too is infected, and that he was “the carrier” So if she thinks Jin is infected and we know him to be just time traveling could that mean that her team was not actually sick and it was actually Rousseau that was crazy (Big Shock).
I wasn’t that big on Charrlet. I think her role has played out already, she grew up as a child on the island, they moved, her mom wanted her to forget about the island so she lied and said that Charrlet was making it up and never lived there. Now Charrlet has child issues wants to prove to herself she is not crazy and devotes her life to finding the island. I real thing I still find interesting is why did her mother lie to her about the island.
Hey guys
Here i go again. At First to Locke, after he turned the wheel into the right axis again Locke will come out in 2004 – right after the 06 arrived off the island, but like Locke said, “They maybe will find me” (to Jin about Sun), i think thats why Ben went to find him, and it looks like he told Ben everything again (gave him Jin´s ring) and it could be that he asked Ben if he could bring the 06 together because we all know how convincing Ben could be (of course because he always lies and manupulates), Locke isn´t the man which i.e. could convince Jack – Ben could and did it!!??
Second; it seems to me that this episode wanna say to us that on the island there is something going on like being “immortal dead” at least for Jacob, or like Locke´s Dad asked john if he doesn´t know where he is here on the island: “in hell”! and of course C.Shephard who was in the coffin within the airplane -so when Locke came back dead in the coffin it really could be that his spirit is on the island again “alive”!?? Christian also said to Locke at the frozen wheel that this is why they call it sacrifice -dead-, but for me it was like he meant that on the island again he will be….maybe “undead”?? Charlotte said too “this place is dead”! For me that means this island is something like the doorstep to heaven or hell??
At least back to Rousseau, she was stopped by Jin to go down where smokey dissapeared, but the other french men went down and later at the beach she said to her lover that they changed and they aren´t theirselves anymore, too strange! Like Jin and Rousseau, i mean come on….when she shot at Jin -the same asian guy 16 years later- she doesn´t remember on him, i mean after what happened back then to her and her people…hey…after that she was sooo scared……so she have to be crazy OR really know more, but never mentioned it to the Losties because at this time they would think she is really crazy, when she would say: “Hey Jin…nice to see you back on the island”!!
Sorry for writting so much but the last episode made me really think so much about the island and her function!?!?!?
With Rousseau I believe she can’t remember him because she’s dead. Remember when Desmond awake he said he had a memory, but it had just happened with Faraday.
Good call on the hieroglyphics also on the wheel. Did anyone else think that the weel acted like it needed to be turned more. Like Ben was taken away before he turned it enough sort of like it was stuck?
In the previews it looked as thought Kate hooks up with Jack to go back. As far as Jack’s attitude I believe that he’s such the perfectionist he feels guilty for leaving the others behind and knowing he could stop it he’s determined to do so.
It seems that everything on this island is exact, like Sheppard telling Locke that he told him that HE had to move it. So it may be that Locke’s purpose in life is to save the island so maybe he’s done in the real world and will live on in the non real.
But by far the best episode this season.
I have to add something!
After Charlotte said to Jin something on korean language which was not translated, before she said this place is death, i think she told him exactly what´s going on and what will happen if Sun AND Their Baby come back (Jin mentioned it to Locke when he nearly cut the rope at the well), he was really serious when he said to Locke -i´m dead-ring-proof! So that leds me to think they aren´t allowed to go back, Jin was/is a good guy and he only wanna the best for his family, so when Jin wanna protect them because the island is BAD, i think that were his words too, so this have to be wright, or isn´t it?? I believe Jin.
So thats why i think coming back on the island isn´t the right way at least over Mrs. Hawking…..she probably can moves through time like her son daniel, that would explain how she was in Desmonds flash after turning the key -the plain crashed obviously because of that-…and it seems Haking knew this!! Coincidence?
Jones
About Charlotte. Youre right what you wrote upside, about her life….and why her mother lies? So I think her mother lied to her because Faraday convinced her to leave the island because the others will purge it!! The only open question is WHO is her DAD?? That´s quite interesting, because he stayed on the island -i think, correct me if not-
Could it be that charlotte only thinks it was Faraday -the scary man- i mean with the beard at this time it also could be Richard Alpert too, and she was a little girl, maybe she is not remembering everthing exactly, like a face!?!?…BUT it have to be Daniel because he loves her now and he knows why and how she dies, so when he went back in time he told her mother to leave and of course charlotte! Her Dad is in that case the strange person, i think!!! we´ll see
Again sorry for writting so much, but Lost activates my brain to start thinking about this huge complicated puzzle!!
After what C. Sheppard said to Locke about Ben, and remembering that when Locke and Ben went to Jacob’s cabin, Jacob asked Locke to help him, and right after that Ben shot Locke, can we say that Ben was doing something harmfull to Jacob and didnt want the leadership to go to Locke and is trying to avoid that in any possible ways?
Can we assume that C. Sheppard has lived in the island before and sacrificed himself for it, like Locke?
I watched the episode again, and i had the impression to see something….
the two guys that Jin finds dead on the beach…if you look closely, they seem to be exactly the SAME PERSON, like a double, only with different clothes… am i going insane?
After that Rosseau tells Robert that he is not Robert, that he is changed….
Oh, god..
jonathan
I just watched again the scene with the two dead french men and they aren´t the same person, they are just looking similar because of the beard they had after the time they were on the island!!
Now i have a question: When Locke went with the others to the orchid, it was Destroyed!! Then there was a flash and it dissapeared! So what does this mean, could it be that they were in the future maybe? I mean the greenhouse -orchid- is complete at the time when Locke and Ben were at the orchid!! Any ideas??
You are right C.P. L, those were Brennan and Lacombe..they really look alike..i am allucinating.Sorry everyone.
Answering your question, i believe they were in the future, in a time where John had already hurted his legs in real world, so fate course corrected it and made him hurt again..
Its possible that the reason why the island keeps traveling in time is because the frozen wheel was off its ax, and keeps moving or shaking by itself, maybe for the fact that the wrong person turned it( Ben and not John) . When Locke was going down, the time flash clearly came from the bottom of the well, where the wheel was.
Perhaps Ben was surprised when Des said he was looking for Faraday’s mom because he felt fooled by her, that could be working for Wildmore to find the island…
I guess i’ll lay low for a while for my brains to rest.
After Charlotte’s comment about being told by a scary man she will die if she comes to the island, I’m going to go ahead and make my guess that Farraday is Jacob.
I think he goes back in time to tell Charlotte not to come to the island. I dont think we’ve seen anything of Jacob since the freighter people arrived and that may be because he cant be in the same place at the same time as himself.
C.P.L,
I think when they after Juliet said what are the odds that they end up in the same time as the Orchid and then there is a flash, after the flash I would think they are in the future. After the flash and Sawyer is left holding the rope they go to the past to a time before the well was dug. The only reason the rope is still there is that Sawyer was holding it, in which case the items seem to travel through time with them.
About Charlotte, if the information that Ben had on her is correct her parents names are David and Jeannette and she also had two younger sisters. There is no way of knowing if this is correct or for that matter David could be a step father that Jeannette met off the island.
Jonathan
Very good thought about course correction by destiny for Locke when he went down the well and hurt his legs after he felt!! !!
Scott..I AGREE about Faraday is Jacob!!! It´s the only possibility at the moment we can hang on the hole jacob story! Good point about Faraday couldn´t be himself at the same time in the same place, but isn´t jacob or was he not always on the island??
To Scott,
When I heard Charlotte, say that she thinks it was Faradythat was a bad man and told her not to come back to the island.
Two things crossed my mind, first a bad scary man that could look like farrady at the time she was growing up on the island, maybe the leader at the time. Which could be Farady’s father, which might be Charles Widmore.
Or Farady goes back in time and warns Charlotte not to come back to the islnad when she grows up becuase she will die, Farrady doesn’t realize this becuase he hasn’t done it yet, but with the Death of Charolette he may find a way to go back and warn here in order to save her. He acts scary to a child in order to scare her. But seeing as Charolette remembers Farady telling her and it doesn’t stop her from doing so it won’t when he does go back. It is now fate that he must go back and warn her or else the world will implode in a paradox.
to Jonathan,
Farady is not Jacob,
Jacon is the spirit(force)of the island or whatever and appears as dead people, like Christian Shepard.
Faraday is not Jacob, I think he knows you can’t change the future remember he has already said that I think he went back just like in 5.01 we saw him while they were digging in the tunnel, how he does it is still to be determined but he may have went to her as a child to develop this memory so she wouldn’t go to the island.
remember when they were evacuating the island at the end of Season 4 he told Charlotte she needs to leave the island, not we need to leave.
I believe that Locke will sacrifice anything for the island because he believes in it’s greater good, that would also include his life.
Hi Lolo. I was thinking abour your post, #53, and specifically the part that Ben only joined the others after the purge, and therefore, Alex had to be at least 4 when He took her.
Well, I was thinking. We know that Ben met Richard when he was looking for his mother, and he looked to be maybe 12 or 14. I think that from that time until the purge, Ben was with Dharma, while at the same time sneaking off with the Others until it was time for Ben to take over. This was clearly many years later becuse Ben was likley in his 20′s when he gassed Daddy and the gang. It would seem unlikley that Ben would gas dharma without sufficient planning and help from the others, which to me clearly suggests that He was working with the others for sometime. Therefore, He could have taken Alex long before the purge when she was a baby, so the timing with Danielle could have been right.
Am I completely lost???
Jones– thanks for the reminder that although Ben and Desmond never met, Ben could have seen Desmond in the hatch from the video feed from the Pearl, as that is where both Julietee and Ben were looking at Jack.
Also, you are right. Desmond has no clue that Ben is going to kill Penny, or he might have strangled “bug-eyed-Ben” right when he saw him
Jones,
concerning the distess video Dr. Candle has made, I also was led to believe it was Daniel that was his “source”. If I recall correctly, I think he even says something from off camera to Dr. Candle. Id have to watch it again to make sure. But I definitley agree that Faraday is the guy off camera being referred to, and that Dr. Candles son is Miles.
On Charlottes parents, anyone think it could have been Horace Goodspeeds daughter? Perhaps Charlottes mother (the teacher in “the man behind the curtain”) left the island with Charlotte while she was child, and Horace stayed behind to build the cabin for when they returned. But after learning that the Dhamra Initiative had been wiped out, she took Charlotte and went into hiding and tried to get her to forget about the Island altogether. Perhaps this is why Charlotte couldnt remember her mothers maiden name, meaning the name Goodspeed, because they had changed it after they left the island.
Anyone think there is any accuracy behind that?
Ben def knows Desmond. Des was running the hatch for 3 years. Ben is such a control freak, that he mustve watched the video feed in the pearl, and somehow got a dossier put together (perhaps by Mikhail), from off the island as to who exactly Desmond was.
This is Ben, he “always has a plan” and im sure part of one of his plans was to allow Desmond to keep pushing the button, and continue to run the Swan station.
On the flip side, Desmond probably has no idea what ben looks like, although Im sure he has heard of who he is and what he stands for in the end of season 3 when they come up with the plan to shut off the looking glass, prevent the others from taking the women, and shutting off the radio tower.
Des was paramount to that plan, so im sure he knows that the a man named Ben lead the others, and was the one they were tryin to stop.
It would make sense, but we never see or hear it directly that they know of each other. (except for that one scene in the season 4 premiere, when they all meet at the cockpit in the jungle)
One last thing…..about Rousseau “going crazy” and killing the members of her team.
Something DID happen to them when they went into the cerebrus vent. If you remember, before Smoke monster attacked, they were all in love and planning baby names. But then in that scene where Robert is trying to get her to lower her weapon, after she does is, HE tries to kill her. The mother of his child whom he loves. SOMETHING is wrong there. So to defend herself and her baby from a man who wouldve killed her, she shot him instead. So I dont hink she had gone crazy. She was scared because everyone from her team was acting crazy and she had to put them down in order to stay alive.
Also, the reason she doesnt recognize Jin in the earlier episodes, is because they had never met in her past. The time they meet in “the little prince” is the first time the meeting between them two has actually happened.
The time flashes represent the point in time where these incidents had occured once before. Jin, Sawyer, Locke, etc., are only experienceing these events for the first time, as is everyone they interact with, such as Rousseau.
So when she originally came to the island before season 1, she had never met Jin. But now that the island has been moved and is time traveling, Jin is at the time when this event occurrs and interacts with Rousseau for the first time, therefore she shouldnt remember him in previous episodes.
Wow, Does that make sense to anyone else? I know what i mean, but i dont know if I explained it well.
Moohaha. You just may have something there about Horace Goodspeed possibly being Charlotte’s dad. Didn’t Horrace also have light-reddish hair? He also had the nosebleed thing like Charlotte. Also, I don’t that think the Lost writers would just introduce Horrace for the Locke dream/find the cabin sequence alone. There has to be more to his appearance, and this might be it.
Scott—-
I can see your logic… Not sure if I agree for now..but I appreciate the insight. To play into it however….We know Jacob does not like light…. Remeber when Faraday first got to the island that was one of the things he noticed was how unique the light on the island was…(just reaching here).
Also since his mother seems to have some serious connection with the island….almost like the Oricle in the Matrix, and Faraday is here son….He just very well be Jacob.
Hey folks,
I just heard an audio podcast by Carlton and Damon, they were talking about a lot of things happened in the last episode 5×05, But the point was Lockes dead body and C.Shephards dead body in connecting to each other and the island!! It seemed to me they meant like they aren´t really dead back on the island……like……-IMMORTALLITY-!! Sounds maybe weird, but think about Richard Alpert who isn´t aging, so he could only be immortal, or not??!!
They said in next week episode called “316″ (what i think the meaning is maybe the new course to the island after it moved so often and then Eloise Hawking find out in her hidden station under the church, the new way -course- to the island!!?)
They also said Lockes body is somekind of proxy for C.Shephards body after he will arrive as a dead in a coffin like Shephard once on 815 on the island, so he could be the new…you know…”Spirit” of Jacob, after Shephard was -sorry, still is- so that´s what i think about what´s their connecting to each other and what Carlton and Damon wanna tell us!!
At least i hope we will get a lot of information about that strange story!!
I´m really curious about the next episode!!!!!
Can´t wait anymore….the island washed my brain…..have to find the island!! …need an airplane….jacob..can you hear me..
Hey hey…i am only joking guys, i need some sleep now!!
so good night everybody
I wonder if the 316 refers back to John 3:16 “That God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son..”
Loke could be that son for Lost.
Richard,
great though on the biblical reference to 316. I can totally see that fitting into the show somehow.
I went back to the photo of mrs hawking on the abbotts desk and it doesn’t look like a real photo. Looks photoshopped, anyone better at these things than me can have a look?
Totallylost thanks for replying again-its wrecking my head!I think richard said ben would have to wait a long time to join the others. I had thought at some stage it was mentioned that he joined them at the time of the purge. Ben did say to locke he hadn’t taken alex, only raised her? I know ethan was trying to take claires baby but they had the medical station then and dharma is still around when alex was born
Maybe our losties are the offspring. The island not allow his inhabitants to reproduce (conceive). Then they must to come out to have kids. All losties seem have family troubles (with their fathers)if you remember the flash backs in 1st and 2nd seasons . Maybe it was because all this people had a double life. In real world they must live with their true island existence. The Sheperds mission and the John Locke’s was, in fact, the same. They must be scarified to joint the losties. ( Scarifying yourself, in a supreme act of faith, to live forever) . More about offspring subject, you can try to discover the family trees. The korean connection. The season stars with the offspring from the Asian scientist chief from Dharma. Do you remember the Sun’s powerful father?. My last question to Jonathan: If Locke has fixed the wheel; the time in island will be finally stopped.
I’ve forgot it. About who is jacob..
Now we know who mother’s Faraday is, but who is his father? Just another theory: Jacob? the charlotte memories from her childness mitakes Daniel for his father..
mctama
GREAT THOUGHTS!!!
First about the offspring, I really thought the same!! It could be that the losties are in future the people who will lead the island, or at least some of them!!
When Locke pushed the wheel in his right direction again, i think they are now again in the time when it started happen (the island movings), therefore when the 06 gone away! I think too that because of Lockes turning the wheel that´s how the outside station in the church in L.A. (Mrs. Hawking) found it!!
At least about Faraday: WOW…again – very good thought about WHO his FATHER is?? That really could be JACOB!! After we know who Faraday´s mother is and what she is able to do, so his father have to be somekind like them!! I mean Daniel and Mom can travel through time: Hawking in Desmonds Flash after turning the key; Faraday we saw back in the past digging in the underground with the Dharma people to the frozen wheel -it´s more the steering wheel of the island, like on a boat i.e. Black Rock, maybe the wheel is from the black rock??
thank you CPL,
Last night I woke suddenly up with all thoughts rumbling on my mind. We all must thanks Scott to open this window that allow put our obsessions out.
the wheel from the Black Rock pirates ship!! Greta and funny! Remember that in the time-line theory, all this peoples would come from the pirates survivors who discovr the island powers around 1800.
I believe that when people die that what they experience is not the way we see it, I think it’something all together different. So with the people (oceanic 6) going back was not really going back but to another timeline. They have the opportunity as future selfs to do this, if not this purgatory where lives stay till those such as us catholics pray for them is probably where they hang in the balance till Christ’s return.
Apachi, I agree. The bible is the writers’ main inspiration..
Richard7769!!!!! holy something! your on to it! it only makes sense….Plus since Jacob told him that’s why it’s called a sacrifice…. WOW! great insight!
Its possible that widmore knows mrs hawking is daniells mother and he will find the island in the future as he’s met him once already on the island in widmores past. Widmore could have been funding the daniels work knowing that he could use him to return. But i still prefer that widmore is his father
Not sure if this has been mentioned – when Desmond went to buy the engagement ring for Penny (can’t remember the season or episode) the lady who sold the ring was Eloise Hawking
Could ben have been more shocked at the sight of desmond than at realising mrs hawking was faradays mother? He said to widmore he was going to find and kill penny as revenge for alex’s death. Now desmonds there he knows he’s close to penny.
Also why is ben getting so narky with kate about aaron not being her son? Alex isn’t his daughter either???
Ok Im soooo late but i just watched the show today ! shame on me !
however, i thought it was a bad one and frankly Lost is beginning to suck a lot! sorry for being negative, but you must agree that the writers have been creating stories here and there with the time travel that dont make sense! well they do, but the quality of the show has gotten bad and that’s a pity. Anyways…
I am SURE that lady hawking is Daniel’s mom – so obvious. I hate that Charlotte was killed – she was intriguing and perfect and i will miss her accent a lot. I thought it was lame that the “mean man” that scared her when she was little was Daniel What the hey!
Then, locke meeting Jack’s dad – come on !!!!!
frankly i was disappointed and sorry again for the negative but this forum remains a forum so that ppl can express themselves
PS: the show airs which day? wednesdays or thursdays nights ? in the US. I live in europe so i have to catch it in streaming.
wednesdays nights. But I am in Europe too, and we must wait thurday morning to watch it.
mmmm…. well at least we can watch it 1 day after. if you really wait for it to air on TV you have to wait 1 year. Season 4 is still not up here – mostly because of the translation and stuff…
Karen..mctama…I live in europe too and watching here Lost really sucks!!! Fans in europe have to wait over one year….come on!! i.e. now they are playing season 4 in central europe…..great! So I HAVE TO pick it from the internet to stay tuned….on Thursdays!! Otherwise i wouldn´t be such a big Lost fan anymore!!
yeah me too. what part are you from? im from switzerland. And the french version stinks too ! Locke’s voice has nothing to do with him !
hey karen
I´m from austria – not so far away from you!! I don´t know the french version, only the german once but the voices are awful in contrast to the english original!!!!!!
i totally sympathise !
to Karen and CPL. I live in Barcelona. I have no idea in what season spainards are. the true voices are always better but I still need to review the episodes subtituled two days after.
Austria, French Switzerland, where more? the world is really shrinking..
Jaypers are we nearly all european? I thought you were pretty much all american. It sounds like i’m lucky. I’m in Ireland and its only 2 weeks 9i think) behind the U.S. I think the U.K. are a few episodes further back but pretty sure they’re also on season 5. I watch it on streaming too.