Kate offers up a blood sample for the chance to talk to their client. Looks like the client wants an exchange of custody.
Sawyer and Locke are heading back to the Orchid. Locke plans to leave the island the same way Ben did..by turning the frozen wheel.
Sayid visits the doc who doesnt seem to know how to administer vaccines properly. Jack and Ben pay him a visit and reveals that Kate’s address was written on the paper in the doctors pocket.
Jack and Kate have a chat. Kate chases after the client (can anyone tell who it was in that car?)
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Very interesting….I don’t know why when the “lost in timers” go back in time why they don’t try to get on the submarine and leave the island.
I think the cilent is Aron’s grandmother try to find her grandson.
Here is the second time that we see someone trying to “dart” Sayid. My guess is that only 2 people knew that he was in the hostpital– Ben and Jack, unless Ben told Ms. Hawking and the lady in the deli. Anyway, I still think Ben is behind Kate’s issues and the hunt for Sayid.
Sorry but i don´t agree with that Ben is behind the people who are after hurley, sayid and kate = Aaron!!
But what could be is that the client from this lawyer Mr. Norton is Claire´s Mother searching after her grandson, but i don´t know if she knows that Kate´s Aaron isn´t her son!!
Who knows, we´ll see!!
But next episode seems to be again a very good one with many answered questions!! BUT we´ll see!!
HAVE YOU SEEN THIS TIMELINE THEORY? I’VE READ IT AND ITS AMAZING!! HERE IT GOES:
The Timeline (Main Theory)
Early 1800’s: The Black Rock was a slave boat crossing the Pacific. The boat was transporting a large assortment of metallic minerals, which were highly reactive to other forces of magnetism. Unexpectedly, the boat encounters the island of LOST. Being that the island has unique magnetic properties, the magnetic materials on the boat “react” with the magnetic forces on the island, and the boat is literally hoisted onto the island. The boat, having strong levels of magnetism, creates a hole in the invisible bubble that surrounds the island – this hole is at coordinate “305”, or the “special location/coordinate” that Daniel’s team travels through to get to the island. Once the Black Rock crashes, the leaders aboard the ship, including Alvar Hanso, begin studies on the magnetic aspects of the island. Their descendents ultimately form the DHARMA initiative in the late 1900’s.
1960’s: The DHARMA initiative was created for the enhancement of the human race. What initially began as a simple research initiative developed into a massive project that was designed to test fate. At some point during DHARMA’S studies, someone managed to leverage the magnetic properties of the island to bend time and space – thus, a time machine was created.
The time machine serves two different functions:
1. one piece of the machine is synced up to the magnetic anomoly that encloses the island. It has the ability to send the entire island back in time – to as far back as when the time machine was created. At the end of season 4, Ben turns the crank to “move the island” back in time to when the machine was created.
2. The time machine also is a phycial device that can transport an individual human back in time, to as far back in time as when the machine was created.
In the beginning stages of testing the time machine, DHARMA chose to run tests on animals (namely, polar bears), as to avoid creating any time-related catastrophes or paradoxes. The first initiative of testing the time machine was to see they could extend the life of an animal. They sent a polar bear back in time a few years, and then changed its habitat to see if it could “survive.” DHARMA saw that once polar bears had gone back in time, they could survive off the island, and even in remote extreme climates (such as deserts) – thus making them partially invincible. Realizing the power of this time machine, the leaders of DHARMA opt to only keep limited knowledge of the time machine’s existence. Thus, many of the experiments on the island of LOST are just a façade to conceal the “true” research behind the DHARMA initiative.
Shortly after the experimentation with the polar bears, DHARMA starts sending people back in time. Over a few years of researching the time machine, DHARMA becomes curious to see if this time machine can allow people to alter the course of history. In order to see if people can “change a future that’s already written,” DHARMA begins tasking their time travelers with doing things to alter the course of history. Unfortunately, these time travelers were not able to do anything to permanently alter the future that was already laid out.
Now getting desperate to prove that there’s ANY benefit to the new time machine, the leaders of DHARMA find a group of their own people to involuntarily become “test subjects” of their next experiment involving time travel. This being: can sending people back in time permanently cure them of a deadly virus? Without proper warning, DHARMA releases a virus in an area of the island that infects many of the “test subjects.” Then DHARMA claims that they can cure the disease with this special “device,” that device being the time machine. This, however, is NOT obvious to the test subjects – they just want to get cured, and think the time machine is some type of complex vaccination. As fate would predict, the test subjects go back in time and are cured of the virus, only to be later killed by the smoke monster, as the monster is the “physical means” in which the timeline course corrects itself. DHARMA, seeing this smoke monster for the first time, is now officially fearful that this time machine will end up serving no purpose whatsoever. The only thing DHARMA has accomplished is pissing a small portion of their work-force. The surviving test subjects who weren’t originally infected by the virus become a faction of the DHARMA initiative, and are subsequently referred to as the Others/Hostiles – Richard and Jacob are among that group.
1970-1985: Ben’s mother is recruited by DHARMA to come to the island and work on this time machine. After several years of testing the time machine, she too has given up on its abilities. She has also met Richard, the leader of the Others, and he tells her about the horrible experimentation that DHARMA did to his people, resulting in the death of several of his friends. Ben’s mom quickly grows to hate DHARMA for the morals that they’re willing to ignore in the name of science. She deems it her destiny to bring down DHARMA for the pain that they’ve brought upon the innocent. But, instead, she decides to kill two birds with one stone: instead of just leaving the island and possibly angering DHARMA at her departure, she decides to use the time machine to go back in time to the point at which she came to the island. Then, she leaves the island. This way, it would appear to the outside world that she never even left to go to the island. She’s going back in time to re-live 15 years of her life that she lost out on while she was doing testing in the island. Brilliant!
1970: Ben’s mother has traveled approximately 15 years back in time, back to 1970, where she finds herself back in Oregon. She meets a great guy, marries him, and gets pregnant. But, she was childless in the alternate future that she lived out on the island. Unfortunately for her, DHARMA had not yet discovered that connections between the dying children/mothers and time travel. (Remember when Juliet sees the xray of the woman who was only 26, but with a 70-year-old womb? Apparently, a unique effect of time travel is that your womb will always age, however, your body won’t age).
When the time comes for Ben’s mom to give birth, she dies, but still manages to produce a baby boy. The reason she died was because the timeline was course correcting to replace her with Ben. In a way, Ben is the embodiment of her, and was thus “created” to fulfill her legacy as the disgruntled DHARMA engineer that would ultimately bring down the shady corporation. It’s Ben’s role to figure out how to “work around” fate, and to find a way to make the time machine “work” without using DHARMA’s methods.
1980: It’s not long after Ben’s mother’s death that their good friend Horace recommends that they go to the island. Horace is likely affiliated with DHARMA, and was sent to investigate Ben’s mother. After finding out about her death, he sent her husband and Ben to the island so that DHARMA could “contain” a potential hiccup in time. When Ben and his dad get to the island, we find out that Ben’s father was merely to become a peon for DHARMA. Ben was the real reason that they came to the island: It was Ben’s legacy to fulfill his mother’s destiny. Ben, unfortunately, isn’t aware of this at the time. He’s just trying to enjoy himself, and make sure his father isn’t too much of a jerk.
1981: After a good bit of time on the island, Ben hears and sees his dead mother outside his house on the island! The reason he sees her is because in an “alternate future,” she was actually alive and working on this island for DHARMA. She appears half-dead to him because her dead spirit is designed to “help Ben understand his destiny” so that he can carry on her legacy. Thus, her spirit is time’s way of course correcting the future.
Shortly after Ben sees his dead mom, he sees Richard in the jungle, who says “you’re not ready.” Richard is a time traveler – and a DHARMA-hater. When Ben first encounters Richard in the jungle, Richard has traveled back in time from the year 2007 to 1970(ish). Thus, while Richard is working with Ben, Richard is not aging. Why did Richard go back in time to get in contact with Ben? To recruit him. Richard knew Ben’s mother in the alternate timeline, so he knows that Ben is an incarnation of his Mother, and that he is some type of prodigy on the island. From there, Richard and Ben then spend their years plotting on how they will ultimately bring down DHARMA, and use the time machine for tests that don’t involve killing people.
1988: Rosseau’s crew was an opposing force to DHARMA. They weren’t affiliated with the Others; however, they were going to the island to investigate “shady business practices” being conducted by DHARMA – These business practices being the releasing of the virus to the locals on the island. Unfortunately, at the point in time, other Others and Ben hadn’t conceived their “master plan” to bring down DHARMA. However, they didn’t want to expose children to the experiments of DHARMA. Once Rosseau lost her baby, she set up a looping signal. That ran for years on the island, but the signal was being blocked by the looking glass.
1981-2007: Ben grows up from the age 10 to 37, planning with Richard and Jacob the “ultimate plan” to wipe out DHARMA, the purge. In the mean time, DHARMA continues to test other unique aspects of the island in order to see if they can leverage the time machine for some other purpose. In the midst of this, DHARMA discovers the magnetic anomaly in the island via the SWAN station. This magnetic anomaly is a bubble that encompasses the entire island. Unfortunately, DHARMA only does some basic tests on this anomaly, as they don’t really know how to use it for anything. During this time, both the others and DHARMA are trying to learn how they can leverage the time machine “for the greater good.”
During the testing of the time machine, DHARMA and the others make the following discoveries about time travel. Note that there is not a specific “definition” of time travel that applies to the show – time travel is simply used as a concept in the show, and the “weird things” that we see are typically fate’s way of course correcting to preserve something that’s meant to happen in the future.
When someone enters the time machine, they can only go back in time – and only to a time where the machine was currently running.
When you go back in time, you do not de-age. For example, if you are 50, and go back 10 years in time, you do NOT have your 40-year-old body. HOWEVER, while you are re-living 10 years of your life, you body will not age until you catch up with the time in which you entered the time machine.
When you go back in time, you will still have your current hair style, tattoos, bodily organs, and memory. However, say you were paralyzed; fate would need to do some course correction to make sure that you are still able to play your past role in life. Thus, time travel can TEMPORARILY cure any physical ailments you may have had prior to entering the time machine. However, fate will still find a way to paralyze you once you catch up with the current time. Say the first time you were paralyzed, it was because you were pushed out of a window. Because “the universe has a funny way of course correcting,” you may get hit by a car the second time around.
When you go back in time, you can only “change” things that don’t have an impact on your destiny. In other words, if you went to church on a specific date in the past, and then went back in time, you wouldn’t necessarily go to church in your new timeline. However, if you changed a belief as a result of going to church the first time around, “fate would find a way to influence you into that belief.” Perhaps you would have a near death experience, or maybe a mysterious person would greet you in a jewelry store and tell you that you need to change your beliefs… or, maybe fate would just kill you since it couldn’t find a way to change your belief.
If you go back in time and die, you are not “totally” dead because there has already been a variation of the universe where you were alive in the future. Thus, you become “half dead” until time catches back up. In other words, your presence may be known to some people but not others. Your presence would only be known when you are required to make an impact to fate.
If you have never had a child, you cannot go back in time and give birth. Fate does not allow for a new entity to exist in a past where it originally did not exist. Thus fate would either have to kill the mother, the baby, or both in order to course correct. UNLESS, fate decides to use the baby or mother to “replace” someone else in the timeline.
Basically, the “rules of the time machine” are not governed by any physical definitions of time travel. The “rules,” if you will, are governed by how FATE decides to preserve the timeline. Thus, if you are required to do something profound in a future timeline, fate will find any way possible to preserve the timeline – we’ve seen ghosts and smoke monsters in LOST. So according to the show’s definition of time travel, fate “does have a funny way of course correcting.”
2007: Swelled with hatred, Ben, Richard, and Jacob find a way to hijack the time machine, and go back in time to the year 1996 to wipe out all of DHARMA on the island (The Purge). Note that in Ben’s original timeline from his birth to 2007, Oceanic 815 did not crash on the island and Ben did not come down with cancer. The fact that Ben, Richard and a few others lived out a life to the year 2007 gives them some unique powers: they know that they will technically remain alive until 2007, no matter what happens (unless fate deems their existence as not necessary in preserving their original timeline). This is one reason for Ben being able to survive through the whole power struggle on the island in season 4, and the reason he can take a severe beating from the Losties in almost every episode.
1996 (new timeline on the island): Having gone back in time, and realizing that DHARMA may still have a presence in the outside world, the Others need to quickly think of something that will prevent DHARMA or Widmore from ever reaching the island. Thus, Ben figures out a way to put the entire island into a “time loop.” This time loop will keep the island suspended in time in the past (in the year 1996) – thus preventing any outside DHARMA people from reaching them on the island. Once Ben and Richard start the time loop, they round up the remaining locals on the island – these people ultimately grow to become the opposing force to DHARMA, the “others.”
In order to create this “time loop,” Ben, Richard and Mikhail is able to “sync” the time machine in the Orchid with the magnetic anomaly that encompasses the island – thus giving the Others the ability to send the entire island back in time! They then rig-up the computer system that requires the pushing of a button every 108 minutes; however, this button pushing is actually activating the time machine every 108 minutes. So, for a great number of years, The Others are able to suspend time on the island by “resetting” the time machine every 108 minutes. Unfortunately, one of the downsides to this is that time on the island is contained in its unique magnetic bubble – thus, time in the rest of the world is still running its course. Therefore, island time stays in the year 1996, while real world time eventually reaches the year 2004 at the time of the plane crash. The only way to pass through the island time and the real world time would be to use the “special” coordinate, which is referenced in season 4. Note that in season 3, Ben makes a comment to Richard “Remember when we used to celebrate birthdays?” Well, there wouldn’t be any reason to celebrate birthdays if the Others are repeating time every 108 minutes, and thus not aging.
1996-1996 (8 years elapse on the island): While time is staying constant on the island, the others, now invisible to the outside world, are able to continue tests in time travel. The Others want to start a utopia on the island. They want to keep the island in its time loop forever. They believe that with time stopped on the island, the rules of fate won’t apply. But, what’s the only problem? With time suspended, and the fact that fate always kills mothers and babies, the others need to find a way to pro-create on the island. Thus, they recruit Juliet to explore the known pregnancy issue. They also find a prestigious military officer (Kelvin) to press the button, making him think that he’s saving the world. Meanwhile, the rest of the natives are living out their days while not aging (including Richard, Ben, and all of the others).
Because the island is hidden from the outside world, Ben and Richard have to be careful in letting people on and off the island. Furthermore, you can only leave the island through the “special coordinate” that the Black Rock created over a century ago. If you don’t leave through that coordinate, you could end up leaving in the year that the island exists, which would be at some point in the past – this would require you to find a “constant” between island time and real world time in order to survive. Conversely, if you were to try to enter the island from the future into the past island time (assuming you don’t use the special coordinate), then your mind would become “stuck” between the island time and the real world time – also requiring you to find a constant.
Jacob is also a time traveler with Richard and Ben; however, we haven’t seen him in his “alive” state. At some point in time after Jacob goes back in time with Richard and Ben to start the time loop, Jacob dies. However, being that Jacob lived in a previous timeline on the island up to the year 2007, his “spirit” is able to stay alive in order communicate with Ben and Richard.
1996-2004 (Off-Island Time): While the island is stuck in the year 1996, all of the main characters of LOSTS’ lives play out via flashbacks. We see the initial backstories from their second iteration through time. Keep in mind that when Ben, Richard and Jacob lived out their first timeline to the year 2007, the plane did not crash. The Losties’ flashbacks that we see in seasons 1-3 are taking place as the Others are in the time loop on the island (or the Other’s second iteration through time) – and the flashbacks are designed to represent how fate changed the lives of the Losties to ultimately bring them to the island.
For example, in Jack’s original timeline, his father was perfectly normal and didn’t end up getting killed in Australia; however, when Ben went back in time, fate created a series of events in Jack’s timeline, which ultimately brought him to the island. The same applies for all of the other Losties.
1996 (Island Time – around 2001 in Off-Island time): Richard and Ethan leave the island via the special coordinate, about 5 years into the time loop to carry out a recruiting mission. (note that Richard also traveled back in time back in the early 1970’s, or earlier, to begin conditioning Locke to ultimately come to the island). Richard and Ethan pinpoint Juliet to explore the child birth issue on the island. She is genuinely a good person, and will do anything to help her sister. However, she is not aware of the time loop which is occurring on the island, and Ben is using her lack of awareness to keep her at the island. Since Ben was from the future, he knew that Juliet’s husband would get hit by a bus on a certain date – so he strategically timed Richard and Ethan’s visit to be a few days prior to the husband’s accident, knowing that would be a trigger to get Juliet to the island. Also, Ben knew that Juliet’s sister would ultimately get cured of her cancer and have a baby girl. That’s why Ben is so persistent on the fact that if Juliet comes to the island, that they can cure her sister. Thus, Ben isn’t a liar. He knows from his past timeline what is going to happen, and he’s manipulating things based on his knowledge.
1996 (Island Time – around 2001 in Off-Island Time): Widmore was a former DHARMA member, and has had much experience working in time travel. He is greedy and used time travel to go back in time and place bets – which ultimately lead to him becoming a multi-billionaire in the real world. However, he was currently off the island when Ben started the time loop, and now he can’t find the island. He acquires the Black Rock journal at the auction, because he knows this will give him the coordinates to get back to the island.
Widmore hires Libby’s husband to be the first “test subject” to try to reach the island. Widmore give’s Libby’s husband a boat with pre-programmed coordinates – this will ultimately allow him passage into the island, through the time barrier. However, Libby’s husband unexpectedly dies, and she hands the boat over to Desmond. It’s unclear whether or not Widmore is intentionally sending Desmond to the island just to get rid of him, or if it’s a total coincidence that the boat ends up in Desmond’s hands.
2004 (Off-Island Time): Oceanic 815 crashes on the island because Desmond temporarily stopped pressing the button to reset the island time back 108 minutes. Not pressing the button temporarily stopped the time machine from harnessing the power of the magnetic bubble, thus creating an opening over the island the split second Oceanic 815 flew over – 8 years into the island timeloop, and in the year 2004 outside the island. The resulting power of the current flowing through the magnetic field ripped the plane in half. We, as viewers, are left with two huge questions: was it a complete coincidence that the plane just happened to crash over the island leading Locke to not press the button OR did DHARMA somehow engineer this plane crash to happen the exact second that the plane flew over the island, knowing that specific group of people would free the island of its time loop? That, my friends, brings us back to the theme of LOST – did fate cause the plane crash, or had DHARMA staged certain “characters” to ultimately “lead” our heroes to the island… OR was it some combination of both fate and the work of DHARMA?
After the plane crashes, our heroes now exist in the year 1996 on the island. They are all still the same age that they were in 2004, and they are existing in a new timeline in the year 1996. Locke is healed because he hadn’t gotten into his accident until around 2002 – the same with Rose. Also, in the original timeline of the universe, Oceanic 815 did NOT crash. Therefore, if the losties ever got off the island and back into the year 2004, fate would deem that they survive at least until 2007 (which was how far the future had been written in Ben’s original timeline).
1996 (island time): All of the events in the first 2 seasons of LOST take place. The hatch is discovered and Locke ultimately ends up not pressing the button and Desmond turns the fail safe. The turning of the fail safe disconnects the Swan with the time machine, and now the island time is officially moving again; however, the purpose of the fail safe was to permanently set time back to the original start date of 1996! Now the island is moving at about 8-9 years behind real world time. When Desmond turned the fail safe key, his life flashed before his eyes… Well, actually, he got to “re-live” about 9 years of his life! He got to relive being rescued from the island, witnessing Charlie’s death, and then starting his life up again off the island, meeting Penny, and then ultimately coming back to the island, thus creating a full loop for his life story. Desmond could not escape his fate. The reason only Desmond got to re-live his life was some function of him being the “key turner” OR the fact that he was exposed to the extreme magnetic radiation levels in the hatch (which is referenced in Season 4). I’d venture that he was probably “at the heart of magnetic bubble” thus, he was a little more clairvoyant to his alternate future than say, the folks who were out on the beach. And, that is ultimately how he gets “flashes” of Charlie’s death. Who knows how many times Desmond actually got to “re-live” his life. And, each time Desmond re-lived his life, he saw what would ultimately lead our heroes to getting off the island – and that would be Charlie sending out the message.
2004 (Off-Island time, after the plane crash): Widmore stages a fake Oceanic 815 plane crash because he has gotten wind that the plane may have entered the secret DHARMA research island. The fact that the plane can’t be found at the island’s location leads Widmore to believe that the time machine is still up and running. Widmore, already having profited from time travel, still wants to get hold of it to make even more momey.
On another side of the power struggle, there are a few DHARMA folks left in the real world, who also are desperately trying to get back to the island to preserve the original timeline. Once DHARMA discovers that Widmore is sending a ship to the island, they round up a small crew to travel to the island as spys: Naomi, Faraday, Lapidus, etc.
Ben is on the third point of this power triangle. He knows that he’s destined to survive until at least 2007 – yet in his original timeline, he didn’t have to deal with this struggle. However, since Ben believes that there is a pre-written future for him, he doesn’t have much fear that Widmore or DHARMA will ever be able to succeed in bringing him down. So, with that, Ben sends Tom off the island to recruit Michael to destroy everyone on the boat: DHARMA and Widmore’s folks. So, from Ben’s perspective, he’s killing two birds with one stone.
1996 (island time): after Desmond is able to finally lead Charlie to his destiny and losties remove the blocking-signal, Jack is able to communicate to the freighter using Naomi’s device. Her device is a specially manufactured DHARMA device that allows Naomi to communicate in the past (on the island) with the future DHARMA in 2004 (on the freighter). Note that even Sayid pointed out how futuristic the device was – it’s futuristic because it’s used to communicate between different times!
Daniel has his friend on the freighter launch a payload in order to “test” the special coordinate that allows passage from the island. If the payload had been launched very far away from the special coordinate, it may have arrived as much as 8 years later in time! The fact that the payload arrived 31 minutes suggested to Daniel that they had almost found the exact coordinate. When the doctor was thrown off the boat and killed, he didn’t drift as close to the coordinate, thus he arrived at a different time as well. As for the motives of Naomi’s crew – these are working for DHARMA, they are not happy, and they are after Ben. They want to know why DHARMA was wiped out on the island.
1996 (Desmond’s timeline): As Sayid and Desmond leave the island, they pass through the time barrier between the island time and the real world time. In other words, Desmond is instantly passing from the island time of 1996 to the future time of 2004. Only Desmond is impacted by the “time transition,” because he was originally exposed to the high levels of the magnetism (aka radiation) in the SWAN hatch for the past 3-4 years. While Desmond makes the transition, his mind is meshed with the 1996 version of himself. Daniel understands exactly what is happening to Desmond – so he uses his communication device to talk to the 2004 version of Desmond in order to create a “constant” for himself so that he could eventually make it off the island. That is why when Daniel checks his log; he is able to see the newly written content, saying that “Desmond is his constant.” Daniel wasn’t actually changing the past by asking Desmond to make contact, he was just trying to figure out how he could get off the island, and back in to the present year of 2004.
Unfortunately for Daniel, Naomi, and their crew, they were hand selected by DHARMA to be guinea pigs. We’d seen in their flashforwards that they possibly knew too much about DHARMA – thus they were expendable.
As for the other crew member on the freighter who’s experiencing Desmond’s symptoms – that guy attempted to get to the island, but didn’t pass through the special coordinate. As a result, his mind was sent from 2004 to 1996, and he didn’t have a “constant” to keep his mind connected between the two timelines. As a result, he died. So, the only true way to get to the island is through the special coordinate, which allows passage between timelines.
1996 (island timeline): Once the power struggle on the island plays out, 6 “survivors” emerge and leave the island: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Aaron and Sayid. As they are in the helicopter, leaving the island, Ben turns the crank in the Orchid station. This crank is another type of “fail safe.” It is using the magnetic properties surrounding the island to send it even further back in time – I’m guessing that it goes all the way back to the year 1960!
2005: When Ben turns the crank in the Orchid station, fate immediately places him off the island, in the year 2005, in the desert. His role is to now use Sayid to help course correct to ensure that the future to 2007 plays out according to plan. Sayid is likely working for Ben because he has promised Sayid that they will go back in time “after their work is done” and Sayid would get a second chance with Nadia. It is likely that Ben’s targets must die in order to preserve the new timeline – perhaps they are members of DHARMA, and once Ben can eliminate all of them, they will be able to easily reach the island. It’s clear, however, that Ben’s interest is now taking over DHARMA and regaining control over their time machine. Once he can obtain that, he can travel back in time to 1960, go back to the island, and change the past to ultimately create a new future.
1960 (new timeline on the island, with Locke and Richard): Locke has now travelled back in time many years. He has become the leaders of the others on the island. Note that because the swan is now destroyed, the island and all time exists relative to Locke, in the year 1960. Now Locke has teh ability to re-shape almost 50 years of the past. And what happens? Nothing! As fate would have it, Locke can’t alter the past. Once Locke gets back to the year 2003, DHARMA starts infiltrating the island again. Locke loses control, and flees the island. The island is ultimately destroyed in the year 2003 by DHARMA, and that is why it disappears from view when the “6″ leave via helicopter – because in the new timeline that Locke created, the island no longer exists in the year 2004!
2007: Jack has lived about 3-4 years off the island in the new timeline. Locke has made contact with the “6″ because he believes he can take them back in time and to the island, and they will ultimately be able to prevent the island from being destroyed (along with all of the other survivors of 815, who were destroyed with the island). Ben and Widmore are also trying to find the island – but they can’t because the island can only be found by traveling back in time.
Conclusions:
LOST is about fate vs. free will. If something has happened in the past, is there any way that going back in time can create a new scenario where there will be a different series of events? So far, in LOST, no one has successfully been able to re-write the future. Now that Locke has taken the island back in time, even he has failed to create a perfect world on the island, much like Ben’s time loop failed. For some reason, Locke believes that bringing Jack and everyone back in time and to the island will allow them to use “free will” to build a new, perfect world on the island – where it is free from the rules of fate, and from the outside world.
Jonathan, really good theory!!
I haven´t just read it all but it seems there are a lot of points fitting together into the “Lost Island” Timeline!!
And the theory of Ben changing the current timeline to create a new one make sense! I just even thought about that, because you mentioned that Ben uses Sayid as an assassin to kill the people which will or wanna destroy the current timeline or the island!! So when Sayid kill all this people they are never existing and Widmore´s plan to take over the island could fail and maybe will fail if Ben´s plan works!! That Sayid do this for BECAUSE Ben promised him to get Nadia back if he does, i don´t know about this Timeline theory but if it´s true maybe Nadia and Sayid could be together in some way we don´t understand and probably never will!!!!!!!! would explain WHY Sayid do this to this strange people, we know that Ben told him (in a way) that they are the people which killed his big love!!
Hope you understand what i mean
Ben is behind everything…..he always is. He is even fooling people on this website now. He is like the Patriots I think they win the championship unless I see someone beat them. I did see my NY Giants do that last year. So the same thing applies I think Ben is the bad lying scumbag until I see him not lie.
I dont think its Claires mom she had no idea she had the baby. As far as she knew Claire died.
The theory about how you can go on the island without get in troubles, this “305″ direction which is the only safe way, WAS CREATED by the Black Rock maybe in the 18-1900´century during they were shipping around the world seas and then they come near to the island and there was, who knows, a big magnetic explosion or something in that way. In this moment the ship sailed to the island made this course “305″ – better said the ship broke in time this unique way which is since back then, the only way you can reach the island without getting any “MIND” troubles!!
AGAIN, SORRY writting so confusing, my english isn´t good!!
It´s pretty heavy to think in GERMAN and write in ENGLISH, german is so a fucking complicated language, however that doesn´t belong here, so – SORRY -
Adam
I agree with you about Ben, he is FOR SURE the man behind the curtain, behind the whole curtain!! He knows everything, but never telling other people the whole truth, that´s how he is and i have to say he do this pretty good, never saying the whole truth and let the people tapping around in the dark so that he always can make a plan for every possible happening!!! and i like him, i mean the character
About Claire´s mam: She knew that Claire was pregnant when entering the plane, even when claire is dead and her mother know that she maybe thought when she saw the baby aaron in Kate´s arms that he looks similar to claire and maybe that´s why she delegated the lawyers searching for the truth about Kate´s baby!! but that are only thoughts
It make much more sense that Mr. Widmore is the person behind the lawyers. I think he knows that baby aaron isn´t kate´s son but to can proof that he need a blood sample! But why he´s interested in Aaron is still a mystery!!!
again, -that are only thoughts-
again, -sorry for my english-
Jonathan, that time line theory is WOW! I read it late last night (and nearly went blind in the process). I will spend more time today reading it again, and again…
One question – when Ben gave Michael and Walt the bearing for the little boat to safety it was 325 (and not 305 as otherwise stipulated). Any ideas why it was different then? Is it because the island moved since that time?
In the meantime, Claire’s Mum – would Christian have told her about Aaron? Or, would Christian be the client?
WE ARE STILL READING THE LAST POST. ALL OF US
Adam, another GIANTS fan is posting on here, good to know. You have good taste
Ellen,
Christian CAN NOT be the client because he is dead, and the producers have repeatedly confirmed this. He still appears to certain people as Jacobs voice, but that is it.
I doubt that he is the client.
Im beleive it is Ben. But I can also see it being revealed to be Widmore, Claires mom, Sun, or even Jack. Jack being the least likely, but its possible.
I hear what you’re saying and I know you don’t think the timeline theory stands up (a lot of dates and specifics are clearly guestimated). However, the overall concept of time travel would put Christian’s death at another point in time if he was involved with Dharma/Richard in 1980s (he may be dead, but ‘when’). If you haven’t seen it yet, here’s the link.
http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html
Sorry, I hear what you’re saying and I know you don’t feel the timeline theory stands up (I agree that a lot of dates and specifics are a bit muddled) but the overall time travel mechanism could work and could explain a few things. If Christian was involved with Dharma/Island in 1980s, he may well be dead, at some point in time/space, but ‘when’? If you do ‘change your mind’ or ‘beliefs’:) here’s the link where I think it came from. http://www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html.
I hear what you’re saying and I know you don’t feel the timeline theory stands up (I agree that a lot of dates and specifics are clearly guestimated) but the overall time travel mechanism could explain a few things. If Christian was involved with Dharma/Island in 1980s, he may well be dead, at some point in time, but ‘when’? If you do ‘change your mind’ or ‘beliefs’:) http://www.timelooptheory.com
Oh no! I’m SO SORRY for repeats – something wrong with posting at this end (may be I’m in a time loop – no rude comments on that please).
No worries Ellen – your comment was being blocked as possible spam since there was a link included in it. I just approved it for you though and deleted the duplicates.
im dying to see it ! looking forward to thursday
Oh thank you Scott – Sorry, I should have realised.
C.P.L. Good though above about Sayid and why he may have joined Ben in eliminating what we think are Widmore’s people. I always thought that revenge for Nadia’s death was not a good enough explanation for why he would join Ben. Sayid never trusted him. I still want to know what happened between the 2 such that he told Hurley to do the opposite of whatever Ben tells you (and Hurley did when Ben tried to convince him to come with him)and the fact that people are trying to dart him (I just cannot get over the fact that people are only trying to dart Sayid).
Oh, one more thing C.P.L Don’t worry about your english. We can understand you!!! I am in the USA by the way (Colorado)
As for the comments above re Claire and the mother, I cannot recall the mother being in any scenes with Claire when she was pregnant, nor did she (or Claire for that matter) know that she was having a boy. She also beleived that Claire was dead so it is hard to see how she would suddenly think that Aaron was her grandson, and then move to secretly find out. Also, given that she saw Kate and Aaron with Jack and knows that Jack is Claire’s half sister, if she had some suspicions about Aaron, wouldn’t it make sense to just go to Jack? I know he has been looking kind of scary, but . . . Also, why wait 3 years. It does not make sense.
I think a more likley culprit is Sun, who I think is working with Ben to make sure they all get back to the island, so she can either get Jin back through time travel or to get Widmore. As I said in another post, it was too much of a coincidence that Sun just so happend to be going to LA in the 70 window of time to round up the 6(according to Ms. Hawking), she just so happened to call Kate hours after she was approached by the lawyers, and that she very cooly and without missing a beat told Kate that those who approached her do not want the lie exposed. Something to think about . . .
Two more things. Someone in another post reminded us that the first time we saw Daniel Farady he was crying while watching the news about finding the fake plane. Does anyone have a theory as to why??? I hope we get an answer to that, as well as the fact that no one seems particularly troubled that someone went through a lot of trouble to put a fake plane out there.
Last, as for the numerous time-travel theories, someone asked why Juliette, an other, is affected by the time travel when the other “others” are not. Has anyone come up with an answer???
It’s either Whidmore and Sun or Ben. I think Sun is working with Whidmore but she may be playing him to get what she wants….everyone else on the show does. Ben is also an obvious one cause that is what his character is about.
What happened to that Abbadon guy?
What happened to Walt?
I dont think they tie in here but whatever happened to them?
No way is it Claires mom…..Was she ever in a scene with Kate and Aaron??
That scene with Daniel is the only scene I have never seen in this show. Went online to abc.com to watch the episode because it happens in the beginning but it wont download.
Claries’s mom is going to be on the next episode. As her name is listing on the guest star “Susan Duerden as Carole Littleton” may be Kate would tell the true about Aron to Claries’s mom.
By the way, Claries’s mom was in the scene with Jack, Kate and Aron in “There’s No Place Like Home Part 1″. And she tells Kate that Kate has a beautiful son(Aron).
TotallyLost: Thank you for answering my theories!!
But like KATE mentioned above, Claire´s mother was at Christian Shepard´s funeral in the church where Jack, Kate with Aaron were too!! And she said to Kate, what a beautifull baby, remember!! BUT when i´m onest i don´t think that claire´s mother is the client, we´ll see in the next episode what´s about Claire´s mam!
I still think it could be Widmore, because Sun have like she said to Widmore -common interests in killing Ben-, BUT when she met Kate in the Hotel with Aaron, Kate told her about the two lawyers and Sun know that they wanna have aaron and were not interested about the Lie!! So Sun deinitely knows more than we all think!!
That means again it´s about aaron, and i don´t get why always Aaron is involved, FOR SURE HE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL LOSTIES, or definitely WILL be!!!
For short: About Juliet: She moves through time with the other losties on the island because she changed the sites from the others to the losties, and she was never really bad, she only wanna to help pregnant women like her sister!
Oh i forgot, TotallyLost very good point about seeing first time Faraday. Why did he cry? Maybe it´s like it was by Locke, when he was shot in his leg under the drug airplane and three years earlier he broke down at the same place when he was with Boone, remember?!!? Faraday answered to this woman standing behind him after she asked him why he wept, that he don´t knows it too!! So maybe in another time something happens what we don´t know yet!?!? very strange
Please correct me if i missed something, BUT what´s now with the official discovered oceanic 815 airplane lying under water at Bali!! I mean that´s official now, or isn´t it?? AND don´t forget the over 300 dead body´s lying on the underground!! NOW the oceanic 6 exists and nobody told us what´s with the faked airplane!!
You know what i mean?? Please give me an answer, because either i missed the part with the answer or it isn´t revealed till now????????
C.P.L. I don’t think you missed anything about finding flight 815 off the coast of Bali. The issue has simply never come up, and not even at the press conference for the 6. I recently thought that this was a future event associated with the time travel, but Naomi knew about it when she came to the island. It is hard to explain the lack of any mention of it, but we will get some explanation because it is not like the Lost writers to let something major like that be forgotten.
Thanks for the reminder that when Daniel was crying there was a woman behind him. Could it be Ms Hawking? Come to think of it (I’ll look at abc.com again) Daniel almost seemed crazy–kind of like when we saw Libby in Santa Rosa. Maybe he had a time travel issue and it threw him for a loop.
Sooooo much to be answered. Aaron, Abaddon, Walt, Miles, Jin, how Locke got off the island, why Patchy (Mikhiel sp??) seemed to have a hard time dying (he hit the electric fence and was shot by Desmond with the arrow in the Looking Glass to no avail).
By the way, I saw a crazy observation about Locke on another site as follows: “Everytime Locke is healed someone else is hurt or dies. Plane crash: many people die, Locke suddenly can walk again. Beechcraft: Locke is suddenly weak again, Boone enters the plane and dies, Locke can walk again. Station: Locke is hurt by the safety-door, Ana Lucia and others die, Locke is fit again. Mass-grave: Locke is shot in the stomach, can’t walk, Charlie drowns, he can walk again, wounds Naomi, she dies, he is fit as ever before.” Perhaps this goes a long way to understanding the relationship between Locke, the island and Jacob, and his destiny.
Oh Yeah– C.P.L. Thanks for the answer about Juliette and why she times travels with the Losties. It makes sense.
Also KATE– Thanks for the tip about Claries mom being in the episode this week. The timing is interesting.
Totallylost: Wowowow, slow on, sooo many good useful things at once, RESPECT!!! really well done
Back to Faraday: Sorry, but i don´t think the woman behind Daniel, was Mrs Hawking, the woman seemed much younger EVEN when we don´t see much of her (actually we didn´t see her face), her body looked like 30-40 years or something in that way but not much older, like Mrs Hawking who is an old lady!!
Good point about patchy aka Mikhael, he died to often to be dead now, but he have to be dead!! For me and i think for the producers, the Mikhael story is over, i mean in which way he would play know in the show when he´s still alive, it make no really sense!! but who knows, we are talking about lost
LAST an by FAR the BEST POINT from Totallylost:
Youre Story about Locke: DAMN IT, WOW!!! I always thought in that way, not only for Locke more about the hole healing stuff etc…BUT man, you bring it on, really really good, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU in that Locke case!! It makes totally sense, the writers couldn´t explain that so good how you did!! BUT i can´t say nothing to that, because you said everything i ever thought about that, and much much more!!!! That explains why Locke is so special, mentioned always by the others!!
Finally somebody knows something about this strange guy Mr. Abaddon from the oceanic airlines company!! We know he was once on the island, but in which connecting did he stand to Locke and the island, it seems he knew that Locke is special and will lead once the island, like he would know that flight 815 will crash on the island!!!
I´m excited on the upcoming episode!!
good night fellers
Thanks C.P.L!!! I might add another thing that has been swimming around in my busy little head about Ben and Locke, and I’ll do my best to explain.
Other than Hurley and maybe Richard, which is another story altogether, it seems that both Ben and Locke can hear Jacob. Let’s assume, and I think this was already mentioned on another post, that Emily was not really John’s mom but was was an imposter hired by Anthony Cooper to get to John. After all given that Anthony is a good conn man why bother with finding the real mother when a fake is so much easier?? Shamless, but oh well.
OK if true it is very possible that Ben and Locke are half brothers with the same mom, Emily. Now what if Ben somehow realized this on the island. He’s no dummy after all. It could have been at the point when Locke waltzed into the camp of the others with Anthony’s body. Remember that Ben seemed soooo happy when Locke would not kill Cooper in front of everyone, and then looked shocked and scared when he came back with the body. This is why I think Ben decided to test the whole thing by going to the cabin to see if Jacob wouldlspeak to him. Well, Jacob did and also acted so aggressively towards Ben when Ben tried to stop Jacob by throwing Ben into the wall. Remember that?? It was almost like Jacob found the “good son” and dethroned the “bad one”. Poor Ben. Perhaps this is why Ben got cancer on the island and Locke get healed from his paralysis. Once they left the cabin Ben went to the grave shot Locke and left. After all, we never really know why Ben did this so it is possbile that Ben was reeling form teh fact that his gig was up. Jacob then sends Walt to get Locke out of the grave because Locke has now been chosen.
Fast forward a few episodes to when the gang was at the radio tower. Locke shows up and knifes Naomi. Ben did not look the least bit surprised to see John. In fact, He was happy that Naomi was hurt. It was almost as if Ben knew at that moment that Jacob had truly chosen John and that he had better help John or get more wrath from Jacob. After all He asked Jack if he could go with Locke when the clans split up.
So what am I saying?? I don’t know. I guess that there is more to the Locke, Ben and Jacob relationship to be found out.
Peace everyone!!
Hey guys, On Ellen’s point about the bearing being 325 and then 305 wouldn’t that be because something happened to the island after Desmond turned the key. If I remember right the boat had already left with Walt and Michael.
Also speaking of Walt didn’t he have some special powers? What ever happened to those. remember everyone telling Michael how special he was when he was with the others?
Excited about tonight…. peace ya’ll.
It has to be Claires mother who is trying to get Aaron, if it wasn’t family, there would be no way they could take Aaron away from Kate and give him to some randomer. I would think Ben must have organised it to push Kate into returning to the island.
I wonder who was Sayid killing off for Ben all this time, i think that is who is attacking him. When ben gave sayid a photo of the person he claimed killed nadia, sayid killed him and kept killing for ben. But when sayid spoke to hurley he said never trust ben-so ben must have lied to him?
When the police came to hurleys house, was that abbaddon? By the way abbaddon means destroyer or place of death in hebrew
A couple of thoughts on a the above posts and a couple of questions that have not been answered.
First up: Juliette was brought onto the island to try to sort out the problem that no babies could be born on the island. No new life can be created here, but Aaron was born on the island and given special drugs to survive – does that mean he is special and the reason someone wants custody of him off Kate ? Does Aaron hold some answer to creating new life on the island ?
Do you think new babies die becuase they have no constant through the time distortion of the island as they have no previouis memories ?
Anyway love the show and all the commetns and ideas posted up, keep up the good work everyone.
AP
Very good point about the babies, it really could be that they are die because they even can´t have any constant!!
BUT, are the mothers not die too?? I can´t remember exactly but i think juliet said to Sun that she´ll die after beeing pregnant some months!!??
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Adam try http://www.surfthechannel.com for the lost episodes. When daniel was crying at the tv and news of the plane crash was that not supposed to be his wife asking him what was wrong? I thought we’d have answers for why miles, charlotte, dan and frank were on the island by now. Disappointed we don’t! Especially as to why miles and charlotte wanted to stay on the island.
Claires mother was in a coma during Claires pregnancy, as far as i remember she hadn’t woken before Claire left?
I don’t think Abbaddon did work for oceanic airlines, i think he just said that to talk to hurley in the psych hospital.
Somebody said abbaddon used to be on the island? When did we find that out!
Totallylost interesting theory there about ben v locke in jacobs eyes. Biblical jacob had a favourite son joseph, benjamin was his youngest son. Jacob was led to believe that his favorite son, Joseph, was dead after Joseph’s brothers sold him into slavery. After the brothers went to Egypt during a famine, Joseph set up his brother Benjamin for a crime he did not commit, then revealed his true identity to his brothers and demanded that the brothers bring Jacob to Egypt. Only then did Jacob learn that Joseph was still alive. The women and children of Benjamins tribe were mostly killed and remaining members couldn’t have children. Also james (sawyers name) is the english for jacob too. I think benjamins tribe took women and children from another tribe like the others were pinching babies?
Adam -Claires mom, Kate and Aaron were in a scene together for Christians funeral, Claires mom told Jack that Claire was his half sister and remarked that Aaron was a lovely baby.
I also think Sun is helping Ben with Aaron to get back to the island. Its possible ben knows where jin is and is trading info?
I’m off to try reg at gravatar!
Lolo
Sayid kills because at the moment in the present he is a sort of an Assassin -in order for Ben-! Sayid does this because of taking revenge for his beloved Nadia, which was killed by (we didn´t see it till now, it will have been shown) i think Widmore´s people, remember where Ben was after waking up in the desert (Tunisia), then went to the next city, where Sayid was carrying the coffin with dead Nadia inside, Ben made photos and Sayid saw him…….
Ben converted Sayid by telling him who shot Nadia while showing him the photo of this strange man with no hairs, who was like Ben watching the “funeral”!!
So from that point away Sayid began to believe that the people who killed Nadia where the same like on the freighter which attempted to kill everybody on that island
and this people have once common -Charles Widmore-! So Ben did his job very well by telling Sayid the “truth”!!
The people which wanna try to kill Sayid (someone mentioned above), they didn´t wanna kill Sayid, they wanna kill Hurley (i think), because Sayid protected Hurley, like in the mental hospital, there was this strange guy in the car outside, because of watching hurley!!!!
i don´t know but Sayid is one of my favourites, from the beginning of the show, he always knews what and how he have to do things!! It´s like he´s protecting Hurley (we know hurley is very special, but we don´t know i which way he is) from this people!
only my opinion, hope we´ll se tonight (i have to wait till tomorrow, DAMN!!) more about Sayid,…..
Richard
Your theory about the changed bearing from 325 on 305 because Desmond turned the key sounds awesome!!!!!!!!
About Walt: He´s similar to Miles it seems to me, but what are his special powers, i don´t have any idea! The writers showed us to less until now to know much more about Walt and his powers. OH, when Walt appeared to Locke after he was shot by Ben – maybe it really was Walt himself because remember when Walt visited Hurley in the mental institut and asked him quitely WHY they are all lying and that Benjamin Bentham was visiting him!!!!! maybe there´s a connect to the jungle when walt “visited” Locke!!??
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Hi CPL,
I know Ben told sayid he knew who killed nadia and sayid killed whoever he told him had something to do with it BUT Sayid is now mistrustful of ben which leads me to think Ben wasn’t telling Sayid the truth and sayid knows this. I think Sayid has been killing Bens enemies that may or may not have had anything to do with nadias death.
Its driving me mad that ben looks like he’s a good guy one min and a bad guy the next. When are we going to find out if he is good or bad!
Does anyone remember in jacks lash forward he was drunk in the hospital and he said to another doctor go ahead and talk to my father, he’s more drunk than i am or something? As Christian Sheppard is definitely dead, could that have been Jacob appearing to him?
Lolo
I think we know to less about the story Ben-Sayid!?!? We have to wait and see what the writers are giving us about that, because now it´s like digging in the dark around, we only can speculate what can be or not and that only hurts my head!!
About Jack´s drunken adventures in the real world; Maybe he really saw something (it wouldn´t be the first time, or ie Hurley) or he just said that in a sarcastic way to the Doc because his father was a drinker too when he was alive!!
And….NICE photo of you!!!
There’s more to Sayid than we know. No ones’s trying to kill him because they are using darts not bullets. He may know more than we think and Widmore is trying to capture him to find out what the info is.
C.P.L. nice thoughts on Walt. There seems to some super powers floating around like Walt, Desmond and the future thing although that has seem to pass.
LoLo I remember that and rewatched that portion of it. I think he’s seeing more of his dad than we think, or have seen yet.
On Ben /Sayid I fall in line with Ben lied to Sayid to convert him over and then Sayid found out and left him.
The baby has to be Ben or Sun I don’t believe the mother knows of AAron unless she was told and then who told her, back to Ben and Sun.
BTW LoLo I agree with C.P.L. nice photo.
I just can’t realistically see how someone unrelated to the baby can get a court order for the blood test and exchange custody. I think ben is behind it but i think he has claires mother involved somehow.
I think sun has become a lot more devious since the island and i would say she will play a part in taking aaron. I think suns baby could be important to the island also as ji yeon was the only child to be conceived on the island and born, albeit born off the island.
And thanks for the photo compliments! Resixing a pic to such a small size comes out really weird, karens and adams photos are great but i look very orange and shiny!
Richard7769– Good point about it possibly being Whidmore trying to dart Sayid. I was thinking it was Ben to get him back in the fold, but it also makes sense for it to be Widmore as well.
I also agree that if by some possiblity it is Claire’s mother trying to get the blood sample, it would have to be beause someone put her up to it, like Ben or Sun. It could also be Whidmore.
Also, someone above pointed out that it was Hurley who was bening watched by the man outside Santa Rosa, so maybe he is “special” in a way we do not yet understand.
Can’t wait for tonight!!!
Hurley does seem to be special as he could see dead people and he saw jacob
A mention above whether they are connected… It’s crossed my mind that Abbaddon might be Walt’s real father (not sure how yet). Walt seems to attract birds, which die (in the flashback when he’s living with his mum and step-dad and they aren’t paying attention to him – suddenly a bird slams into the window – DEAD. And when he was being held by the others – Juliet had an uneasy feeling about him – after seeing loads of dead birds dumped at the foot of the wooden door of the place he was being kept in). Juliet said to Ben that he was not a ‘normal’ child (as if to suggest that he was evil or dangerous). So what’s the attraction?
I also think that Abbaddon will be involved with John’s death (in LA) when we see it. John owes him one, doesn’t he? Perhaps he needs to strike a ‘deal’ (and John resists by sacrificing himself) to get to the island. My profound thought is – he’s either going to turn out to be very, very bad, or very, very good!
YES, LOLO! I thought that was Abbaddon with the police at Hurley’s house too!
AP – I think Juliet mentioned during her initial 6 months on the island to Ben that the problem seemed to be at conception on the island (so this would discount Aaron’s ‘birth’ on the island being particularly special, in that sense, if her theory was right). Of course, he’s bound to be key in some other way. Regarding Juliet moving with the losties but not the others – She joined Ben on the island about 2001, I think, so she shares the same time frame as the losties (assuming the island wasn’t moved between 2001 and 2004 – I understand it’s just reserved for special occasions!). Richard, Widmore, etc. are in a different time line so she’s going to ‘move’ at the same time as the losties, Daniel, etc.
Good point Richard about the bearings 305 and 325 – Blimey! Does that mean that the island or time moved when Des turned the key? That means we need to look again at any ‘funny’ things that happened between that time shift and the next one that Ben did with the donkey wheel. That would explain appearances of things during that period that seem out of step.
I know we’re going round and round about who the client is wanting the blood test, soooo, as someone has mentioned above, if Ben is behind it, I like the idea that he would be able to manipulate the opportunity of telling Claire’s mum, Carole, that Aaron is Claire’s baby – thus, a blood relative is quite within their rights to challenge custody of Aaron, and serve Ben’s motivation to get Kate scared. What a marvellous ‘Ben’ thing to do! Mind you, a few other people could have done the same.
We know very little about Claire’s Mum at the moment – I reckon she goes back much further – possibly linked with Dharma history and she knows more than we think she does. I think there’s something odd about the fact that Christian said to Claire that her chances of recovery were practically nil so ‘let her go’. However, she’s looking fantastically well these days! Should Claire’s Mum have died to address some balance that might be connected to Aaron? Did Christian do something (intervene) to bring her out of the coma?
I love the theory about Locke benefiting from other people’s misfortunes! Not in a bad way – Locke’s Grreat! I want him to be my leader!
I also think we need to see something about Sayid’s parentage to give us more tie in with what’s going on with him. We’ve seen nothing about his early life.
Good post Ellen, I do have a question what about Claire’s baby father? Did I miss it? Could it be him trying to get the blood test? I don’t believe he was on the plane but I could be wrong. Or maybe her sister?
I like the way they’ve left Locke out in limbo but I hope not too long.
Here goes the baby thing, Claires was not conceived but born on the island, Sun got lucky and was conceived on the island but not born, there hasn’t been both and in the second trimester their immune system attacks them and kills first the baby then the mother.
It may be that the island can’t accept new life only preexisting life so no one grows older and nothing becomes anew. thus the whole circle of people whom have been connected with the island returns and goes back and forth but never ending?
I think i just confused myself. Back to my thought Richard Albert is still there, Widmore is still alive, evn if they die (jack’s father) they are still around. Does this make sense?
If i´m not mistaken, Ben says something in the Season 4 finale about not being able to return to the island once he’s moved it. He said that whoever turns the wheel is never allowed to return to the island. So i guess he can´t come back with the ocean 6.
Of course, yes, Aaron’s father is another living relative – we assume (forgot about him!), and Carole’s sister. I just can’t think what the motivation would be for them (unless Ben’s behind it again!). It’s amazing how something like this can create so many possibilities. Also, I’ve just thought – why did Claire leave Aaron in the jungle for Sawyer to find when she went off with Christian? Obviously, Aaron wasn’t considered to be very ‘special’ at that point, was he? Poor little mite!
About sustaining life on the island… how come the wild boar has little piglets!!!!?
Not wanting to mention the dreaded ‘4 toes’ thing, and Richard Alpert in the same paragraph again! But, your point Richard, about creating/sustaining a natural life cycle on the island – do you think the 4 toed statue once served as a reminder to the very early inhabitants of the island, of the imperfections/shortcomings of humanity? Perhaps there was a time on the island when life balance and harmony had been achieved. May be someone was expelled from the island, long ago (Abbaddon?) who went on to compromise the island and upset its very nature. Richard (who I think is Abbaddon’s contemporary) has been trying to restore it ever since. Remember when Locke told Richard that he’d told him he was chosen as their new leader and Richard nearly fell off his chair and said “we have a strict protocol… and selected from when very very young”? How young, I wonder? And how are they selected? Do they need to select from outside to get things back on track?
I think Christian is still able to “pop down to the store for a packet of smokes” (as Sawyer would put it) when he wants to!
What if Locke ends up getting someone to turn the wheel for him – Widmore?
I don’t think widmore will turn the wheel, and Ben keeps using the word we a lot when he talks about returning, and he definately said that they had to bring Locke back with them.
I believe that when Ben said he couldn’t return that meant by himself as he was able to in the past, I also believe he will return with the 6 and he NEEDS them in order to return.
Widmore knows that they are coming as he told Desmond not to bring Penny with him. It is my firm belief once you go on the island you must finish on the island on way or another.
Another belief I had was that if Kate left the island there was no way she would stand trial or go back to the Island she had to have a reason thus forth the reason is Aaron. Claire knew or was directed to give the kid to Sawyer he would give to Kate and she would be back. Otherwise she would have escaped from captivity and ran never looking back just as she has always done.
I remember Ben saying that he couldn’t go back to the island. Did he just mean that pushing the donkey wheel would send him away or he definitely couldn’t go back?
So, have I fallen for one of Ben’s lines again, and you can return, even if you’ve turned the wheel? May be rivalry made him just tell Locke that to deter him from doing it and make him fail the task he’s been set!
That’s a well crafted plan re. Aaron being used to ensure Kate’s return – nice one!
I don’t know if Ben lied or not, but it seems like he’s getting ready to go back to the island with a bunch of other people plus the oceanic 6. I guess the others he’s with could just be others stuck off island when the sub blew up? I don’t trust that he’s helping Locke, he’s already lied about how he and Locke parted and he shot Locke when he knew Jacob was replacing him with Locke.
Richard7769. Somehow I do not think that Claire’s boyfriend would be the one looking of the blood test. He left her shortly after she told him she was pregnant, and was never seen from again. So that leaves us with the mom and sister as potential blood relatives. Whatever happened to the psychic Claire went to?? I vaguely recall that he had some strange prophecy regarding the baby.
Ellen. Great point about the wild boar having pigletts!!!!! Also, thanks for the reminder that Abaddon told John that he would owe him one. That sentence seems very important now.
The issue of children seems to be very important to ben, moreso than to anyone else. He was the one that took rousseaus baby as his own, forced juliet to stay on island, wouldn’t let the pregnant women leave, etc
The psychic told Claire that the baby was surrounded in danger and needed claire to raise him. Does anyone remember when she was signing the papers for the adoption that the pens wouldn’t work? Could it be that Jacob/the island had already chosen Aaron? I wonder if the plane crash was organised to bring Aaron, Locke and the other important losties to the island?
Sorry another thing sprang to mind, didn’t the psychic tell eko he was a fraud?
Yes, the psychic guy was an odd one and appeared in two different people’s flashbacks – Claire’s and Ecko’s (perhaps will come back into play later). If I remember right, he saw something horrific and refused to read her hand. Then he insisted very heavily that absolutely no ‘other’ (I think he said) must raise this child. After she left, he then started calling her and practically begged her to go to the States where a very nice couple would be ideal for bringing up the child (even bought her the plane ticket insisting she must go on this flight only!) May be someone got to him in between seeing Claire the first time and the second time that violently changed his mind.
In Ecko’s flashback, the psychic’s daughter was reported as having drowned, only to have come back to life during her post mortem. Ecko was sent to investigate a miracle but the psychic was adamant it wasn’t and urged Ecko to go away and forget about it. I can’t remember much more about why he was so unsettled by this. The daughter later came to Ecko at the airport to give him a message from Yemi, just before the flight.
there are a lot of sentences in retrospect that are considered to be very important.
how about this one, “I cant believe you jut gave him Australia. Australia is the key to the whole game”
What message did the daughter have for eko from yemi? Who said the australia thing moo ha ha?
I think the girl told Ecko that Yemi said he must have faith and that he loves him. Was it Locke playing war games in the staff room at the box co. re. Australia?
The physic also was in a Rose/Bernard flashback if I remember correctly where Bernard took her to be healed by him. I could be wrong but I think it was the same guy.
You know, I thought that initially, until I watched again, but it was a different man – he was called Isaac, I think (I remember it was definitely a biblical name).
Isaac was Jacobs dad i think?
Scott recaps are needed!!!
Ellen– You are all over the details for Lost!!! Thanks for the reminder at how strange the psycic was. Again, the writers do not go to so much trouble just to forget about things. I had forgotten that Ecko and the whole mess with the miracle. It might be worth a second look.
By the way, does anyone think that Charlie might show up?? Also, did we ever get an explanation of why both Shannon and Sayid saw Walt dripping with water in the jungle?
Also, someone earlier asked why Claire left Aaron in the jungle for Sawyer to find. My memory is a bit faulty but I felt that Claire was either dead or near death after the expolision caused by Keammy’s men. I mean, just a scratch on the head after that??. She also seemed quite loopey when Locke saw her in the cabon with dead Christian (smilling and saying “I am with him”). Now, Miles was the only one who saw here walk off, and maybe that fact is important.
I notice in this episode that when daniel is at the bomb he explains to “ellie” that “this island is still here in fifty years”
she turns looks and speaks to him as if she knows about the time travel and is in shock that he knows also.
two scenes later locke is explaining to richard whats been happening and why he needs to know how to leave….richard seems to have no clue what he’s talking about.
how does ellie seem to know what daniels talking about but richard has no idea about locke is talking about. odd
Totallylost: You even metioneded about Miles who saw Claire´s walk off, away from Sawyer, with her Dad -C.Shepart!! I just even remembered the scene before the night she walked away when they (sawyer,miles,claire,aaron) where at this lake doing a break, you remember how miles looked in that moment at claire, he KNEW she was somehow dead!!! It was Miles typicall countenance when he recognise a “spirit”!! Same way at claire. So may be he knew that she will go away in the knight, like go into the “light when you die”!!! He saw her walking away and it don´t seem that it surprised him in any way!!
think about that once
Miles have this strange “powers” but it looks like he uses it for making money!! Remember the old black lady with the dead son, Ben on the island to press money -3.2 Mil. Dollar-
C.P.I. Thanks for the reminder about how Miles looked at Claire when they took a break. I wish we had more clues as to what his story is. He seems to be a bit of a scheister (sp??) though.
Good episode in my opinion..
Lots of things being answered:
1. Ben is the client after Aaron. All part of his plan to get the O6 back together
2. Jin is alive (to my disappointment) and is with Danielle Russoeu’s crew when she first arrived on the island, shes also still pregnant with Alex.
3. Sun is working for Widmore to kill Ben. I think he’s the other person she blamed for Jin’s supposed death.
4. Claire’s mom is using the same Lawyer to get her O6 settlment. She knows nothing of Aaron..though she must have been clued in when Jack mentions it to her.
Another good episode… The writers include another one of their “Crazy Coincidents” as I like to call them, with the lawyer being Ben’s and Claire’s Mom’s.
One thing I seem to draw a blank on though is danielle russoeu. What was her importance?
Also, is the French stuff Sawyer found from danielle’s wreckage?
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JIN IS ALIVE……….. I really was happy to see him but I kind of liked the premise of him being dead because it gave Sun’s character some dark side.
The wreckage should be from the French boat and what about the lawyer, kind of saw that one coming but the twist with Claire’s mom was good.
Where is Sun’s baby? Will it go to the island? Will Aaron go? iF they all need to go back wouldn’t it make sense that everyone would need to go?
I still believe that Ben lied to Sayid to get him to do his dirty work.
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Hey guys i just read some posts, seems to (like everybody is writting) this episode isn´t very good by comparing with the last one!!! Am I true or what are the rest of you all thinking??
Ohhh god, i have to wait still half an hour till i can watch it!!!
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Lolo,
the australia line was said by Hurley
ellen, the line was spoken by Hurley while he, Locke, and Sawyer were playing RISK in Ben’s house in season 4. Right before they were attacked by the mercernaries.
Also, Jin is alive. I thought that was a good twist. I thought when the raft people pulled the body into their raft, it was going to reveal Danielle. Totally threw me off when it was Jin.
I totally thought he was going to be dead. But now taht hes alive, poor bastard is stuck with a group of people he cant understand. This guy’s luck is pure shit. Well, at least partially, considering he survives plane crashes and exploding boats time after time.
Jin is alive….total crap!!! I thought he should have died. This is what i dont get and its so obvious. When Daniel was trying to get to the freighter and the flash went off he was “inside the radius” and could go back to the island. Jin was on the freighter and not within the radius as the boat disappeared when we saw the flash. How did he magically get inside the radius??? Doesnt make sense. Either way at the next flash the french people are going to disappear and jin will be alone. Danielle was on the island for 16 years right??? She aged terribly…not so good.
In the preview we saw Sun jump out of the car with a gun. She is def working for whidmore to kill Ben. But she blames two people and I think the other is Jack…Maybe she shoots Ben at the dock. Which could make sense if he can’t go back then he can get shot and killed and still follow that storyline of him not being able to return….but he prob was just Bullshitting and he can return.
When he was at the butcher shop he asked her how two people were coming along? Who were those people? I was thinking one might be the lawyer??
Another great thing about this episode is people are starting to get nose bleeds and we are seeing a little bit into the reason as to why. Because they came back to the island. Daniel mentions to Miles about being on the island before. So do they get nose bleeds (for lack of a better phrase) based on length previously stayed on the island…..Daniel makes reference to that also. So did Charlotte spend the least amount of time then Miles (Doctor candles son)…so obvious, then juliette? I am not sure why the Sawyer, Locke, or Daniel haven’t had the problem? I assume cause they never have been to the island before? Not sure…I didn’t get enough to really have a good idea as to what was going on with the flashes, constants, nose bleeds.
I really need someone to kick Daniel in the teeth and tell him to explain everything because they all know he knows more yet they dont do enough to question it…very annoying.
Adam– Daniel was on the Island before, which was shown in the first eposide of this season when Dr. Candle was interrupted from making his Dharma video because of the find at the Orchid. In any event, he should not bleed because Desmond is his constant. As for Charlotte, in Season 4 Miles said to Charlotte something about returning to the island or trying to get back to it, and Charlotte said she did not know what he was talking about. So, she has been there before too. Stange that all 3 from the freighter (i.e. Naomi’s team) have been there before. Maybe Abaddon knew that when he hired Naomi.
Jin-I can’t say I am surprised, but thanks for the laugh Moohaha re Jin’s bad luck.
Sun–Wow. Who knew she could be so ruthless, but after all she did threaten Jin’s mother when she paid the bribe money.
And Ben– To say that he is shady and down right scandalous is an understatement. By the way, I looked back at season 4 when Ben was in Iraq and Sayid killed the guy who Ben said killed Nadia. Ben totally played Sayid by telling him to go on with his life, and Sayid said “who is next”. Then Ben said “I’ll be in touch” and walked away with a smug beady-eyed smile. So I agree with all other posts that said that Ben lied to Sayid to do his dirty work regarding Whitmore. Sayid must have figured it out (I’m sure we will see that at some point), and left Ben.
Oh yes (re. Australia) – Thanks Moohaha!
Adam – I’m puzzled too, about a) Richard not expecting (or knowing) Locke would meet him in 1954 (he knew later on that it happened, otherwise he wouldn’t have given Locke instructions on what to say, etc). My only way to figure this out (currently) is if – before Dharma started ‘messing about with time’ in 1960s, the Island’s time line ran at the same as off-island time. This could explain why Richard, in original 1954, wouldn’t yet have encountered Locke, or any time skipping people ‘dipping in and out’ and Richard, of 1954, is in sync with the island’s time, so he disappears with those fixed in that original time line when the flash comes. However, it’s only once time skipping starts intruding into the past on the island, that the ‘later’ Richard has become aware of what will happen (he’s probably moved around a bit himself ‘after’ 1960s – maybe, but not necessarily) but he knew it would be ‘fresh’ to himself in the original 1954 time.
So that leaves Ellie… I thought she looked really puzzled (almost angry at Daniel, thinking he was winding her up, when he tried to explain things to her) but if we apply the same kind of theory, as above with Richard, may be we haven’t seen yet, that Ellie has had her first (or possibly several) encounters of something from the future, may be one of them with Daniel, which could explain why she said to him on the first meeting we saw between them ‘You just couldn’t stay away, could you?’ It could also explain your thought of why, later by the bomb, she seemed surprised that he was connected with time travel, realising he’s tied in with what she has come to know.
I have to wait until Sunday for ep. 4 – sounds good!
The other line that struck me is when Locke was in the tent with Richard Albert he said it was 1954 I won’t be born for another couple of years if you don’t believe me come visit me…… Well that explained that one.
Abaddon hired the team and got Locke to go on the walk about. He also visited Hurley to find out if the others had survived, could there be a third party here? I know ben had Michael on the ship so someone let him know it was coming, Widmore presumably hired the ship, and Penny was looking for Desmond, what led us to believe that Abaddon was working for Widmore? Could he be working for anyone else?
Thats a good point about abaddon richard…didnt think of that.
totallylost -
You may be wrong about daniel being on the island before. That scene could be a flash forward of when they end up being at the same time as that took place after a flash. I dont think it was daniel there previously…He is wearing the same clothes as he is now. that was most def a flash forward.
Ben is def going to kill penny…after seeing the scene with him and dez again whidmore knows she is in danger of being killed by Ben.
I also like that they are flashing back to the boat conversations when they got saved by Penny. I think some of those conversations are important to setting up life after the rescue. like when jack asks kate to back him up. She also says she was always with him. that statement should end the love triangle cause she loves jack but has a soft spot for sawyer who i think she just wants to help.
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Thanks Adam. I forgot about flashforwards. I am so mixed up with this back and forth stuff, and look for some info in this. It is just that when I remember him crying in season 4 when he saw the fake plane being found, it makes me wonder about his true connection, past, present, or/and future with the island.
By the way, does anyone know what the point was for showing Sawyer seeing Aaron being born? It somehow seemed out of place.
I wondered whether Daniel had been on the island before, or whether anything we see is simply where, or when, he’s been since arriving off the freighter for the first time… when he first arrived he seemed very intrigued about ‘how the light doesn’t scatter right’. If he’d been there before he wouldn’t have been so amazed or curious about it this time round. When he was shown in the digging scene above the wheel, I thought we were seeing one of his time skipping encounters, which happened once he arrived on the island off the freighter (rather than him having existed at the time Dharma were working). Remember when Des went back to find him at Oxford, he had long hair, but in the digging scene, he looked the same as now.
The people chasing the survivors was a flash forward who the heck were they? I would only imagine that they were people sent by widmore to kill the remaining but the boat was so crude I would think they would storm the shore with motorized boats.
Adam, i do agree with you Ben is out for Penny. I don’t see the triangle being over. Out of sight out of mind for now.
Ok, so if who sent this “assassin” after Sayid in the hospital?
Think about it, only Ben, Jack, Hurley, and Hurleys parents knew Sayid was being brought to Jack. And then only Jack and Ben knew that Jack brought him to St. Sebastiens. So my main question now is, will they be sending one after Hurley, who is in County Lockup?
Upon Bens meeting with Norton, we are led to believe that Hurley will be released in about a day or two, due to the judge’s decision to release him based on there not being sufficient eveidence to hold him for murder.
Therefore, when Hurley is released from County here in LA, he will be given his personal items, and sent out the side door on his own. At which point, whoever was trying to capture Sayid will have an ample opportunity to grab Hurley as well. (And Hurley cant do the “ninja moves” that Sayid is capable of)
So does anyone else think they will try to capture Hurley in order to prevent him from meeting up with the rest of the O6 and returning to the island?
Also, any theories (aside from it being Widmore’s people, that is too obvious) on who these people are that are after Sayid?
Whoever it is, wanted everyone on the island killed – that was before they realised that some had got off (the 06). I think it’s Abaddon, working on his own agenda.
Ellen,
I like where your heads at.
Since there is a whole other season after this one, its totally possible that Abbaddon is the head of a third group that may be even worse than Widmore. Good thinking
Dudes, you have to check out the LOST video podcast there are a lot of questions asked and answered there,
On the whole Hurley thing and sorry for the second post. I think Jack will stand up for Hurley at the court hearing and have him released in his custody and then it’s off to the island.
Has anyone else noticed that there is nothing for the people here once they have returned. Hurley is back in the nut house, Jack is on suspension from the hospital, kate is about to lose Aaron and even if she doesn’t she still doing the favor for Sawyer, Jin has taken control of her father’s company but is miserable without Jin, Sayid found his true love and now she’s dead.
They are all miserable without each other, so to speak.
totallylost -
The reason for showing kate deliver the baby was key and heres why.
It is the first time since they have come into contact with themselves on the island. That scene was from when kate actually helped claire deliver aaron. So we know at that point in time that they are on the island with themselves. so potentially sawyer could run into sawyer locke could run into locker…you know what i mean. I cant wait for it to happen because at some point someone is going to stumble upon themselves. with every flash they move into a new point in time for the island. i’m sure they will run into the people who put up the four toed statue the members of the black rock etc….just like jin coming into contact with danielle. he was within the radius of the first flash so he continues to jump in time like the rest although he is floating in the sea. he must have jumped to a time when the frenchies boat had just wrecked.
I also think whidmore hired charlotte, miles, and daniel to come to the island because while young whidmore has no clue who they are but the present day whidmore probably remembers them from when they captured them two episodes ago and from whatever else happens between them from here on out.
richard what is the link to the lost podcast?
So their all on the quay side waiting to sort all the arguements out !
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Arn’t penny and des on their way to LA on a boat !!
bet they turn up just in time for something
adam,
I had that same thought about what would happen if one of the survivors had seen themselves or someone they recognize from 815. The other survivors would obviously recognize them, for example, if Sawyer approached Claire and Kate during the birth, the would know who he was.
But if Sawyer had approached Sawyer, wouldnt his mind be unable to process it. I dont know exactly how to explain it, but if anyone recalls the “Back to the Future” movies, Doc says to Marty that if he were to encounter his future self, the results would be catastrophic. Meaning that the encounter would change his life and alter his already pre-existent future.
Not sure how this relates to Lost, because they seem to make up their own time travel rules, but its something that I thought had thought about while watching last night.
Adam, great thoughts Bex, remember they are all at the marina so Desmond and Penny could be there.
I got podcast from itunes, they have a video one and a regular voice podcast. Both were informative. The producers have said the 4 toed sculpture will be addressed this season.
I don’t believe we’ll see the losties approach each other. I believe that’s the whispering that they hear sometimes. But I could be wrong.
Some thoughts i’ve been reading about this great episode:
Alex could not be Ben´s biological daughter, if Rosseau arrived pregnant on the island..
Could Rosseau be Jin’s constant?
That bottle of indian water they found seemed to be from an airline..were then in the future, in a time after the oceanic 6 had returned?
Could Sawyer’s constant be Kate? and Locke’s Richard?
In Ben’s van is written Canton-Rainer. Anagram for reincarnation.
Adam– Thanks for the explanation about Sawyer stumbling upon Kate and Claire. I totally missed that. Maybe I was time travellng when that happened!!! But you are right– it will be interesting to see what happens when a lostie runs into themselves.
Did anyone notice that when the Frenchies got to the island that through the walkie-talkie you could hear someone saying the hatch numbers?? My memory is not so good but didn’t Hurley go to Australia to see what happened to the guy who was exposed to the numbers? I cannot remember if he heard them or was charged with trasnmitting them (i’ll go back and re-watch later), but perhaps we will get an explanation as to where those numbers truly came from and why they were being transmitted.
Also, was it just me, or is Juliette a little too into Sawyer? Also, why is Sawyer so concerned with Charlotte? Something is not quite right here.
I haven’t watched ep. 4 yet but was Sawyer seen watching from a distance, i.e. did Kate, Jin, Charlie or Claire know he was there? If not, and he was observing from behind a bush, or something, can anyone remember what Sawyer was wearing when you see him this time? This would help us know if it’s Sawyer from first time round, or whether it’s him crossing over time.
I’ve just checked the episode from S1 when Aaron’s being born. Sawyer appears at the beginning of the episode on the beach, wearing a blue/grey shirt and hanging out with Michael and Jin building the raft. Kate comes rushing out of the jungle asking him for all the alcohol he has for Boon back at the caves. Kate heads back and meets Claire having contractions. When Kate starts shouting for help and it clips back to the beach, only Jin seems to be there and runs to kate and claire. Sawyer doesn’t appear anywhere else throughout the whole episode so if anyone can remember what he was wearing, that might give us the answer.
If it turns out that it was Sawyer from the first time round, perhaps the significance of showing it now, is just to remind us that he wasn’t quite ready to commit himself to things back then, compared to now.
Sorry, I’m so not qualified to comment on this episode, having not seen it yet, but would love to know if it’s the first ‘cross over’ of our losties to be seen!
I just watched the previous episode and i have to say it was very good, not like the recently episodes, but still very good, like the fifth season is at the moment!!
The relationship between Sayid and Ben seems to be very strange, it´s like Sayid knows EXACTLY what Ben plans are but couldn´t tell the others, whyever??
AND Sayid didn´t wanna Ben even come closeness to Aaron, i think Ben wanna use somehow aaron for…in a way to come back to he island!?!? Also using the 06 for coming back on the island, like he used Sayid to bring some of them back togehter , or ie the lawyer about Hurley (and surely sayid)!
Although, i believe that Ben will and have to die once in the next time because when Locke is now really on the way to the “donkey wheel” AND really will do the same what Ben did, to go back in time and other place! Then to convert the others which left the island,……but at the end we see him dead in a coffin, “so that would mean that Locke´s destiny was turning the donkey wheel, convert the others and to die, then going back in a coffin to the the island” So there have to be for sure something higher with Locke and his great destiny!!
Jonathan, its been established before that Alex is not Bens biological daughter. BUt that he stole her from Rousseau as a child.
Good theory on Danielle being Jins constant, as well as the others, that sounds very valid.
Richard7769, thanks for the heads up on the statue. I havent heard the podcast, bu Im glad they acknowledge that they havent forgotten about the statue.
C.P.L.!!!!! You said exactly what I was thinking about the strangeness of Ben and Sayid. I had assumed all along that Sayid had a falling out with Ben because he may have lied about who killed Nadia to get him to do his dirty work. He even told Hurley not to trust Ben, Then, in this episode, he is with Ben and does not seem the least bit distrubed about it, nor real surprised to see Ben in the hostpital with Jack. Good call that Sayid may know what Ben is up to but cannot tell the others. Maybe Ben promised Sayid that he can bring Nadia back, or send Sayid back to before the time she was killed so he can save her. I think He wold do anything for Nadia.
Also, when Ben asked Sayid in the car about why he killed the guy at Santa Rosa, does that mean that someone else is after Hurley and Sayid other than Ben?
Totallylost! Thank you and i agree with that Ben said -LIED- to Sayid about Nadia, maybe really something about time….?? -very complicated, but that is again funny too (for me)- I mean we´ll see it, in the next episode or in the least (hope not!)!!!
I have to say that i believe more and more in an exisisting a “further initiative”, not Widmore or Dharma or..??…, i don´t know!! In Last Time when we always saw for example Mr. Widmore he was always pretty quiete than being such a monster like Ben always mentioned!! I hate that everybody líes or hides something from another, tha´t´s anoying!
Totallylost: I understood the numbers were being repeatedly transmitted from the island because of a theory that Alvar Hanso had, teamed with Dharma. It was based on a mathematician’s discovery of this equation, after WW2, which predicted the date of mankind’s destruction. Dharma was trying to find a loophole in this doomed equation to stop this from happening, i.e. defy course correcting.