Kate offers up a blood sample for the chance to talk to their client. Looks like the client wants an exchange of custody.
Sawyer and Locke are heading back to the Orchid. Locke plans to leave the island the same way Ben did..by turning the frozen wheel.
Sayid visits the doc who doesnt seem to know how to administer vaccines properly. Jack and Ben pay him a visit and reveals that Kate’s address was written on the paper in the doctors pocket.
Jack and Kate have a chat. Kate chases after the client (can anyone tell who it was in that car?)
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Thanks Ellen. You are a living encyclopedia for all things Lost!!!!!!!!
I can’t take the credit… (this is from lostpedia{dot}wikia(dot)com). There’s some great background stuff on there.
It was called the Valenzetti equation, named after the mathematician. DHARMA wanted to change the factors leading to humanity’s demise, which would be indicated by an alteration in at least one of the human/environmental factors – i.e. the numbers. However, in all its years of research, the Initiative failed to reach its goal. The end result was always the numbers. Leonard (the Santa Rosa number repeater guy) was in the navy with Sam Toomey and they heard the transmission in the pacific. When Hurley went to Australia to meet the woman (Sam’s widow), she explained that there was a car accident and all sorts of bad things happened that lead them to believe the numbers were bad.
I thought is was Ben who was behind the men after Sayid because he knew that he would be the most resistant to doing anything Ben said, thus the use of tranquiler darts as Ben needs Sayid alive.
Also we know Ben hasn’t got much time (70hrs from when he was with Mrs Hawking) to get everyone back to the island. We have seen him working to get Jack,Kate,Aaron,Hurley,Sayid,Locke all together but not even trying to get Sun but. Why? We are led to think she is getting out of the car to kill Ben but could there be a plot twist?
Have to wait to find out but to quote Ben.
“How many times do I have to tell you John, I always have a plan.”
(Whilst talking to Locke at the end of season 4 when he is about to walk over to the Orchid to be captured by Keamy.)
Ben is going to convince Sun by telling her Jin is alive.
Sorry for that thought about Alex, i totally forgot it was explained already…
Ellen,
You are the knowlege queen.
So do you feel desmond will be at the pier or somewhere else?
Also who was chasing the losties in the raft?
i like that constant idea. sun i think will go after jack. he is the only other logical i think.
Sun gets ahold of a gun again and all of the sudden she is ready to go murder someone in the middle of the Long Beach Marina. Something aint right there.
Keeping in mind that Sun killed Colleen on the island (one of the others trying to steal the sailboat), it was an accidental discharge and she did not mean to kill her, and in that situation her life was in danger, as was Jins.
But now we are being led to believe that she is just going to walk up to Ben, (or maybe Jack) and pull the trigger in front of 3 witnesses who could potentially have her put away for murder for the rest of her life.
Second of all, she has little Aaron in the car with her, does she really have what it takes to commit murder in the presence of a child? I dont know.
But seeing as how after she received her Oceanic settlement, she was slick enough to use 3 banks to purchase her fathers company, I would think Sun has some semblance of a brain, and with that in mind, would consider the consequences of murder would likely put her in prison, and away from her daughter for a long time.
Does it make sense that Sun is so blinded by rage and revenge that she would risk losing her child and her freedom just to kill someone who may or may not be at fault for her husbands alleged death?
It just doesnt seem to fit her character. But thats my logic which is based in a world where people dont crash land on mysterious islands and time travel and shit
I dont know this might be a little off topic. But Elle, the girl who we are talking about (the other) maybe that is short for Eloise Hawking?
And are we confirmed that she is probably Daniel’s mother?
Moohaha. GREAT points/analysis about Sun. Something is definately amiss. By the way, do not forget that Sun also threatened Jin’s no good mother in the first or second season, so she is not as innocent as we were led (or misled) to be.
With regard to Aaron in the car, I thought that someone above suggested that she might be taking him, or that she set up Kate from the start. I don’t know. Yes revenge seems like a high price to pay to give up Jin Yeon who is with Grandma, and especially because she is the only legacy from Jin. I still what to know why she showed Kate a baby picture of her when she must be close to 3 years old.
A few other points about this Episode.
1. I thought the title the Little Price referred to Aaron, but he was not really central to this eposiode. So, who is the little price?? Locke maybe.
2. Did anyone notice that the raft Daniell’s crew was on was an octagon like the Dharma Logo? Kind of a sophisticated raft for being from the time period they crashed there. I thought that maybe they were part of the Dharma initiative, and Danielle forgot because she went crazy, but because one of the guys had a walkie-talkie with the numbers being spoken made me think that they were following the numbers, and this caused them to crash there. Why else would they be listening to that trasnsmission?
3. Hurley looked pathetically horrible in that orange jumpsuit. I hope he gets out of there soon.
4. Nice reminder about the the numbers with Kate’s address (42), and Ben telling the gang to meet as boat slip “23″
5. We finally got to meet Alex’s father Robert. I think Danielle mentioned him when she held Sayid captive.
Richard7769 – I may be way off the mark here, but is it possible that if Des and Penny are on their way to the marina, Widmore is tracking them. Pehaps Sun knows about Widmore’s movements and Sun wants to kill Widmore, not Ben.
There’s a lot of background info on lostpedia(dot)wikia regarding contracts between Paik Heavy Industries, Hanso / Wittelwerk – the guy who’s believed to have carried out very shady dealings in the Hanso & Dharma name, and Widmore Corp. Sun has probably become privy to this information, since buying a controlling stock in the Paik company. So, although she’s telling Widmore their common interest is to kill Ben, I wonder if she is duping Widmore and leading him into a trap of some kind. It’s implied that Paik Ind. supplied a boat to Wittelwerk (not a boat that can ‘dock just anywhere’ and with special modifications!). This stuff has nothing to do with Ben, so perhaps she is targeting Widmore (and her father, Paik, being the second) as the two people responsible for, not just Jin’s death, but also a much bigger problem.
Sorry if someone has said it before but did anyone think the lawyer could be one of the others? If so he could have faked the papers to get the blood sample and it would explain why he didn’t bother telling ben that kate had visited him with the deal and why he said you’ve done this to yourself in such a malicious way?
Also i think Jack is the other person sun blames for Jins ‘death’
hey guys,
just read your comments above and saw you were talking a lot about Sun!! Still Strange is “Paik Industrie”, it didn´t seem that Mr. Paik, Suns dad, were involved in the island issues, BUT Paik_Industries and Widmore´s company are/were good business associates! We know for sure that Mr. Widmore know Mr. Paik! Paik_Industries is korean, DHARMA is asiatic too, so maybe there is a connecting??
About the last episodes name, “the little prince”. I think the title meant about Kates problems with Aaron, because they wanna take him away from her (but now we know Ben was), and Sun took care of little Aaron, who is always so quite – a really lovely and well-behaved child i have to say, what´s again a little bit strange too, i mean he´s a young boy, i know when i was so old i was wild, always doing stupid stuff, you know how children are in that age, hyperactive!! So in that way Aaron is really special!
Back to the topic, Aaron was in the car with the mysterious Sun, sleeping like always when we see him!!
Oh, and i don´t think Sun knows Jin is alive, would be impossible, Jin just showed up somewhere in a time period. Nobody knows Jin is alive (except the arriving french people)!!! So Sun blames two people for the “death” of Jin, one (sorry i really don´t know exactly any more) is Widmore or her Dad AND Ben!! And i think she wann kill Ben, cause of the photos what she got, where Ben and Jack are on, Jack couldn´t be it, the relation between the both were always good and still are.
So i think the episode wanna tell us what will happen with Aaron in the near future. We will see WHY Ben wanna get the child and Sayid surely knows that because he wasn´t impressed when Ben told Kate he was behind the lawyer, like i mentioned above, i think Sayid knows exactly what/how and why Ben wanna do with aaron and so it couldn´t be Ben hunting Sayid (he is his assassin or was), someone else hunts sayid, probably the boss of the people which he killed!?!
i don´t know, that are only thoughts, like always!!
sorry for writting so much things!!
BUT i still have a last question for you!!
So, do you remember of the dead Birds which are dying i.e. especially by Walt? Or Birds and Hurley? What should that mean??
sorry ELLEN you already mentioned it above
I need to look this up but don’t birds use the earth’s magnetic field to orientate/direct themselves? I’ll get back on this – well done, CPL – I think you’re on to something!!
Way to go, CPL! Look at this!
Every year millions of migratory birds fly towards their wintering quarters and come back in next year´s spring to breed. Behavioral experiments have shown that the Earth´s magnetic field is the main orientation cue on their journeys.
Nevertheless, surprisingly little is known about the neuronal substrates underlying these navigational abilities. In recent years, it has been suggested that sensing of the magnetic reference direction involves vision and that molecules reacting to the Earth´s magnetic field in the birds’ eye form the molecular basis for a vision-dependent compass mechanism.
I think this answers the question of Walt & Hurley’s ‘bird attraction’!
ELLEN – THANK YOU for answering, YOU are really like an encyclopedia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
when i´m onest, i maybe don´t understand everthing you wrote -because of my bad english-, but ok, the birds have this compass mechanism inside them because of earths magnetic, BUT WHY did the birds die next to Walt & Hurley?
As i said before, SORRY for not understanding everything!!!
No, that’s ok (I just pasted this text from a website about birds and magnetic fields). When you mentioned Walt and Hurley it just suddenly reminded me about something I heard about birds using the earth’s magnetic field as a guide to where they need to go. What this probably means is that Walt has some kind of (possibly genetic) magnetic structure in him which attracts the birds. The birds have exactly what you said, a built in compass, which it thought to be detected through their eyes/vision.
Can you remind me about Hurley’s experience with dead birds (I’ve forgotten)?
OK, now i understand what you wanna say to me!!
Hey that about Walt having kind of magnetic powers, fits good to the island, maybe that´s the reason what makes him so special??!
Hurley never have something to do with dead birds, BUT can you remember the scene in the jungle (i think season 2) where this Bird flew over Hurley (some people wrote here, that they thought the bird was saying something to hurley – i don´t believe this), but it was a strange scene how i remember!!
Another question if you don´t mind:
Why the new leader of the “others” have always to kill his own father, like Ben did, John did -sorry Sawyer did-, only Jack couldn´t do it even when he would kill his father because he is already dead (probably)!! But Jack i think have to be once the leader on the island, ohh, i thought that once, now i´m not so sure anymore about that!!
Ah yes, I remember – it was a very big (almost prehistoric) bird that flew over them and Hurley thought it said (or sqwaked) his name, Hurley – I don’t know if that was the case either – may be we’ll never know!
On the leaders killing their fathers – I don’t know if I’m sure that is the nature of things. I just thought Ben, quite rightly, hated his Father, and it just coincided with the overall plan to overthrow Dharma (he just put a personal touch to it all by going out with him in the van and letting him know how he felt). I often wondered whether Anthony Cooper was actually Sawyer’s blood father (although, I suppose that would mean Locke and Sawyer are brothers – that would be interesting!).
However, there is a pattern with paternal confusion or issues, that’s for sure! But it includes so many characters: Locke, Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Jin, Sun, Claire, Walt, Hurley, Des & Penny, Shannon & Boon, even Aaron! I’m sure there are more to add to the list!
I think the relationship between Locke and Sawyer is since the day with anthony cooper in the black rock very special! Both of them know now what each other had been going through and anthony cooper was maybe the worst person what each of the two ever met!! Cooper changed their lives in a bad way!! Only the two know that about each other, but nobody else! Since them Sawyer likes Locke and vice versa!
Also the two are wright now good friends and do nearly everything together!! i.e. going to the orchid!
When Locke is dead who will be the next new leader?? I think Jack will be, because after Locke (as Bentham) visited Jack it seems that he totally convinced him in believing in the island!! WE`LL SEE IT in the following episodes or at least later in this season!
Now a stupid question, why never a female is the Leader??
About Sawyer seeing Kate in the Timeloop, when she pulled out Aaron, that´s like destiny, in the future Kate will be Aaron´s unreal mom! I have to say in the last season Jack and Kate made a really good looking couple, but Sawyer and Kate have this passionately love between them, i mean for me is that true love!!!! Ex-criminell Sawyer seems on the island more and more becoming a good man, truly loving a woman and he said to Kate why she didn´t stay with him in othersville, to settle down, creating a family and living this normal life!
Also about Sawyer: You recognized the relationship between him and JULIET. It seems the two were very good with each other, “maybe there´s love between them”??? Because in last time when Juliet give orders to Sawyer, he didn´t made any comments (like always) and does immediately what she says!! So Sawyer accept her and maybe much more than we think?
A very good question, CPL – why aren’t there any female leaders? (ha ha!).
About Jack being chosen as a leader – his tattoo bothers me. It’s supposed to say “he walks amongst us, but he’s not one of us” (I memorised that! Sad!) but it must be significant at some time to come, don’t you think? This must set Jack apart but among what group?
I agree with the current theme of Jack & Kate and Sawyer & Juliet getting on together but, I think Sawyer & Kate and Jack & Juliet fit better! Although, Kate was troubled by Sawyer because she said he reminded her too much of Wayne (her ‘step’ but real father). That love triangle ain’t over by a long shot!
ELLEN – about Jack´s tatoo and the meaning of it, VERY GOOD POINT!!!!!!!
I forgot that at all!! It surely have to mean something that we will probably see in further episodes (i hope)!
You know, i think when Jack really is supposed to do something other, as to leading the “others”, then whom???
I now remember when Locke told Jack in front of the “greenhouse”, that he is not supposed to leave the island!! Now we know why he was right!
I’m sorry if you already discussed this, but because of the time travel issue , i was watching season 4 again, and i was intrigued with THE VAULT. Ben destroyed it in order to get to that cold place where he moved the island.
Why did they used the valt for? To travel in time? Is it the magic box Ben mentioned earlier to John?
There was an orientation film about it, where the doc. showed a bunny, but it jammed while Locke was watching it.
Maybe the next leaders of the island in the future could be Walt and, or Aaron!! Like Alpert said recently to Locke that the leader have to be chosen after proofing himself since he´s a young boy, Like Bens destiny began once!! So that´s maybe why Walt and Aaron are soooo important, because they maybe will lead once the island!!
Another big thing from the last episode was the strange boat in the sea hunting Faraday´s crew (in a boat too), i only can imagine that the strange guys were some of the others, we don´t know in which time they were, somebody mentioned above that it could be that theirselfes shooting on themselfes, made for me NO sense, because would this be true WHY would Faraday and the others on the little boat shoot on people which they aren´t know, i mean they are the good guys and so the other boat behind them could only be some of the others. Maybe when (the others?) saw their boat at the beach that it was stolen, the others took another boat (we know they have more boats, like they had an submarine!!), then they followed the “losties” and shot on them because they thought they were enemies (for the others everybody is an enemy)!!!
interesting episode ! had some suspense which i appreciated a lot ! i thought for a minute that Sun was the client – what was the deal with the pictures and the gun ??? does anyone think she could become an enemy?
I can finally relate the voices to the losties going back in time – totally makes sense.
I thought it was very great to finish the episode with Rousseau’s story
now that the french people have met jin since the start of being on the island if a flash happens and they disappear then another flash later and they meet up with jin again they will remember him. could be interesting down the line
Ive been waiting for an episode about Rousseaus involvement with the island before the 815 crash, and after they killed her off last season, I was bummed out because I never thought we would get it.
But apparently we are going to see it in some way, shape, or form.
Im pumped!
well it intrigues me though, if this happened in the past and no matter what the past cannot be changed (as daniel said), how come Rousseau never remembered Jin? so i guess that both stories will never meet…
From the orientation video of the rabbits, i think that was one rabbit travelling through time. Marvin Candle/hollowax or whatever his name is seemed to freak out at the idea of the two of them coming closer together. Does that mean that the losties can’t come into contact with their past selves or something bad will happen? And i’m kind of wondering why they haven’t already as they seem to be at the beach in every episode. Also where on earth are the other losties gone? Weren’t they supposed to meet at the creek and ellie and gang heard them and ambushed them at the creek, but they didn’t have anyone else and nobody else came to the creek? Just daniel, juliet, sawyer, charlotte, locke and miles?
I do think that miles could be hollwaxs baby, i’m disappointed that the explanation for why charlotte, miles, daniel and frank came to the island and know so much about dharma, etc hasn’t happened yet.
On the point of jacks tatoo, the girl that gave it to him was called achara, in irish a chara means a friend. Also i found this on lost pedia : in Hinduism Achara and Dharma are synonymous and mean “the regulation of daily life.” Achara is often referred to as the Supreme dharma. The mark of Dharma is Achara or good conduct. Achara is the mark of the good. From Achara is Dharma born. Dharma enhances life. Man attains prosperity and fame, here and hereafter, through the practice of Dharma
Rousseau is pretty secretive, maybe she just didn’t mention jin? Maybe ben knows she came into contact with him and thats how he knows where jin is? The pictures were of ben and jack, i’m not convinced she isn’t trying to kill jack. Sun is pretty unpredictable at the moment. I think suns baby will become very important as the only child to be conceived on the island and was born.
i agree with you, its the only child that has survived off the island. but i think the thing with the babies was at the island, due to the magnetism. but in that case, how come claire gave birth to hers?
The episodes are going on a different turn with the time travel and frankly i dont know how the writers will ever come to end the show !
i think sun will be going after jack too. I think danielle will remember Jin at some point in the future after another flash and if the meet up.
Lolo,
thats good information on the Achara thing. When you put it together with the DHarma thing it makes a lot of sense.
Good job
Another theory, since Ben had been able to keep tabs on Michael when he got off the island. Is it safe to assume that he is continuing to do the same with Walt? And that he may have to get him to go back to the island too, since he is “special”. Does anybody think that Walt will come back into play somehow? Either with the, going back to the island, aspect of the show, or something entirely different?
Walt was a significant character in season 1 and 2, and he is still under the impression that his father is alive on the island, I would think the writers would have to include him further in some capacity and not just a quick cameo in the season 4 finale.
Anybody with me on this or am I on my own?
Magnet boy has to come back into it! But the others were intriqued by him, weren’t they? Remember Mrs Kloo (spell?) asked Michael lots of questions about him, in particular, if he’d appeared anywhere he shouldn’t have been. Did they do something to him at the orchid that has made him ‘magnetic’??
Exactly, and what kind of tests did they make him take?
Tests Similar to the one Ricahard gave Locke? Were they trying to see if Walt was capable of being their future leader?
They were interested by walt but scared by him too i think. I think the others didn’t like having him around but jacob wanted it?
Karen i think aaron was born on the island because he wasn’t conceived there and i think suns baby was conceived on the island but not born. So the island won’t allow new life to be created, could this be part of the reason why the island is shrouded? And perhaps part of the reason its so interesting to dharma? Isn’t dharmas mission statement something like they wish to bring life to a dying people?
and thanks all! This bouncing ideas off each other is great craic
For the record i thought it was a fairly poor episode, nothing really happened!
Hey guys,
I read some really good theories above written by you all!!
You are all great, i really like this site!! So go on!!
Now i have to add something: The producers said about the fifth season that we will see how the losties off the island will get along back at home…..and WHY they have to go back to the island, of cours HOW they´ll go back?
So, wright now after the episode 5×04 we can say we now why they have to go back to the island, because they were not supposed to leave at that moment!! Of course that´s not all!
Now think about the 06 – they are nearly all wright now together! We have Jack, Kate, Aaron, Sayid, Hurley and Sun at the same place, L.A.!! They are still in time, the 70 hours and now they (Ms Hawkin, Ben,….) know WHERE the island is, so they CAN fly wright now back together to the island, ONLY Desmond isn´t with them at the moment, but we know that Pen said to Desmond in 5×03 “so i guess we´re going with you” after he told her he have to go to L.A. after that Faraday-Mother-story….!!
Let´s assume Desmond will do it in the time (70hours) to L.A., when then they are all again together, they(BEN) know where the island is and they could start their Trip, BUT there are still 13 outstanding episodes in this season, so i guess our losties will get again in big troubles like always and there will be a lot of action (i hope) because there is still a lot of time and questions left in this season!!!
I mean the fifth season began with a lot of answered questions, what is very good of course, but after 4 epis. we know they are nearly all back together and we know they localized the island, so that answers us nearly at all the question about the fifth season, -WHY they have to go back and HOW-
!For sure there is much more to be explained, we´ll see!
So i still hope this season goes farther on this way
-answering questions modus-
sixth season is about why they have to leave the island, or i am mistaken now??? sorry i can´t remember exactly
I wanna say something too about the voices! It´s mentioned above and it think that´s sounds best! It makes sense when i thought about the dharma video -rat put in a timeloop by Dr. Candle- it shows the rat like suddenly being twice in which one is somehow more clearer, that means that the “mind” (dr.candle said it) is beside his body and can see himself but the body doesn´t see his mind because this is in another time…ore somehow…, So the people on the island sometimes hearing voices are theirselves in a timeloop, BUT the voices could be too “only” an island issue, like our losties met often dead people…ok..on the island their probably not..? Smoke Monster..etc..and maybe the whispering is only one of these strange things??
Hey…….thing once about that, could it be that Daniel Faraday gets never older, like Richard Alpert??
SORRY for wrtting sooo much, but i have now enough time!!
Hi everybody – fantastic site and theories being posted on it, getting me through the week (another great site is Youtube, on which I’ve been able to watch each new episode in nine minute chunks here in Jolly Olde England)
Right, I’ve got one or two theories of my own which I’m gonna chuck out there.
First – Juliet is gonna die very soon. Let’s face it, we know the writers like to kill someone off every now and again, and even though the show’s “extras” (the nameless, faceless survivors of the original crash who AREN’T part of the main cast) have been dropping like flies from burning arrows and WW2 mines since the season started, I reckon one of the main cast will be killed off soon to up the tension and make way for new characters.
The reasons I think Juliet is for the chop are:
1) She’s served her purpose. I hate to sound like Ben Linus, but Juliet was only introduced into the show to provide some sort of narrative link between the main survivors (particularly Jack) and The Others in Seasons 3 and 4, and to act as an interesting voice of discontent and rebellion within The Others’ camp against Ben Linus. Now that The Others have to all intents and purposes disappeared and Ben is off the island she is basically a superfluous character. I mean, look at her; since the season started she’s just wandered around like a lost (ha ha) puppy, occasionally spoken Latin and looked longingly at Sawyer. She doesn’t have ANY unexplained back-story (I think I’m right in saying that she’s only ever had one flashback episode, the one with her sister, and the only reason for that was to introduce the character of Richard Alpert) The writers have struggled to find anything for her to do, and as a result she’s just sort of flapping about like a loose cord – one that I think is about to get cut…
Which brings me to reason two: The nosebleeds. This is a clever little narrative device which adds a bit more tension to the story of the time-hopping survivors left on the island. It’s basically a game of Russian Roulette, and it wouldn’t make sense for it to happen if SOMEONE wasn’t going to die from one major messy nosebleed in the next couple of episodes. At first we’re meant to think that it will be Charlotte – but that simply wouldn’t make sense in terms of narrative – she’s got too much unexplained back-story, and the same goes for Miles (who, I think is OBVIOUSLY the son of Dr Marcus who we see in the intro to episode one of this season as a baby). The nose-bleeds those two get are red-herrings, and Daniel’s theory that “the longer you’ve spent on the island, the more likely you are to suffer from them” basically not only suggests that Miles was on the island before (as the baby in ep 1) but sets up Juliet to get nose-bleeds because she’s been on the island for years as an Other. And lo-and-behold, while she was talking to Sawyer on the beach last episode, she started bleeding.
I’d put money on her dying in either next week’s episode or the week after. Sorry Juliet fans (ARE there any Julia fans? I’ve never thought she was that good a character…)
Oh, wait I’ve just remembered, Juliet DID have one other Flashback episode, the one where Ben Linus is basically stalking her and tells her at the end “You’re MINE!” Again, it didn’t really leave her with any unexplained narrative threads – the purpose of that episode was to illustrate what a control-freak Ben Linus was, as if we didn’t know already.
This of course brings up Juliet’s one possible chance of survival in terms of her use to the whole Lost saga – Ben and his “feelings” for her. I put the word in inverted commas because I’m not sure Ben actually has any feelings, but as far as he can love anyone, I think he loves her. But, then again, having Juliet die and Ben coming back to the island to find her dead would make him even more of a tragic character. Yes, tragic. I know he’s a little creep, but I think the writers are setting him up to be some sort of hero, and I think he and Locke are similar in that they’re characters who’ve gone through a lot of hardship to achieve their destiny. The difference between them is that John Locke is a man of faith who follows his “visions” blindly, while Benjamin Linus knows EXACTLY what is going to happen – “John, how many times do I have to tell you? I ALWAYS have a plan.”
How does he always have a plan? Because he knows the future and always has done…. but I’ll leave that theory for another day….
miles is the son of edgar halliwax the guy from the dharma orientation films that is why he got nose bleed
whoever has been on island longest gets it first
charlotte (born on island)
Miles (halliwaxs son–born on island)
Juliet next in line
our island ppl will be next..faraday should be ok since he caught up with his “constant” desmond??
does the Jughead H Bomb have anything to do with the Swan hatch and button? he stays to fix u must bury ?
oh yah and sun is after Jack not ben!!
i have these suspicions about sun because she has anger and a reason to hold grudges against kate and jack (as she said to Kate, it was her fault jin died). she has definitely changed from the first season !
Hey everyone, I stumbled upon this site last night, and have very much enjoyed reading the various theories and opinions being presented. Being from Australia, the 5th Season is yet to air on television, but like Scoppie, I too have been watching each episode with great fascination on Youtube.
I must agree with the majority of theories being discussed, particularly the parentage of Miles (Chang/Halliwax/Candle) and Faraday (Eloise Hawking). Ellen, your insight and general knowledge of all things ‘Lost’ is especially impressive.
In regards to whether Walt must return to the island along with the O6, I certainly hope it is so, not only for the personal gratification of seeing all the castaways reunited, but also in order to discover more about his ‘abilities’ and their importance. However, with the O6 congregating in LA, and seemingly on the brink of returning to the island, it seems less likely each week that this will be the case (seeing that Walt is living in NY). In contrary, as others have pointed out, with Desmond and Penny sailing to LA, they seemed destined to return.
Scoppie, I believe Juliet is safe, atleast for the time being, due to the writers enjoyment of love triangles, or in this case, quadrangles. Juliet adds yet another dimension to the Jack/Kate/Sawyer scenario, and by the looks of things a Sawyer/Juliet fling seems to be in the works. Her great desire is to leave the island and be reunited with her sister, which is what drives her character. However with the apparent revelation that once you arrive on the island you may never leave (and if you do, you must return), the chances of this occuring are pretty slim.
I’m a tad confused by the Jin/Rousseau situation. Faraday stated to Sawyer that you cannot change the past, that it is impossible to do so (hence the reason why Desmond did not answer the hatch door despite Sawyer’s continual knocking). How then was Jin able to come into contact with Danielle. The only explanation I can think of is that Jin and Rousseau never met face to face (were they ever in any scenes together?). Jin obviously knows who Danielle is by his shocked expression when she told him her name. I guess it is possible that Jin knows of her, whilst Rousseau does not know of Jin.
Again, I am very impressed by the discussion on this site, and will continue to comment regularly. Top job to all haha.
Scoppie……very good point about Juliet!! She could be killed off the show, i agree about her and her backstory, she´s done and by the way she´s uninteresting! But she wasn´t ever a bad person, also as an “other”, and i have to say that she would deserve a happy end where she can be together again with her healed sister and the child!! I mean if that was her destiny it was quite lame!!
I THINK the producers are going to kill somebody off the show we don´t think about and which is maybe an important character, like Charlie was!!
Ben could be the one…..but not killed by SUN!!! I mean we are talking about Sun, she is wright now very angry and confused…….maybe Ben was the person which sent her the package with the photos and the gun inside. Even when Ben himself is on the photos, he could manipulate her like he did by Kate…successfully!! Only for what is the gun there..?..maybe it´s something like a “deviation”….like Claire´s mother was!!???
i know that sounds weird, but that´s Lost!!
CPL, I would agree that Juliet does not deserve to die, but in real life and in the world of ‘Lost’, bad things happen to good people (see Boone, Shannon, Charlie etc). As I stated however, I believe she still has a role to play for the time being (though her chances of being reunited with family are far from great). As for main characters being killed off, I fear for Rose and Bernard (who have gone missing the last couple of episodes). Being a big R&B fan myself (the characters, not the music style), I hope this is not the case.
hey daniel,
thanks for answering, and i agree with you about Juliet!! Ohh, yeah…i forgot about Rose & Bernard, they are somehow “lost in space” on the island!! But like you said, good characters are also dying in this show, so R&B are falling into the sight of that too!! Although i like them too, they don´t make sense anymore, aren´t they??
I mean what could be their destiny farther on??
sorry for my bad english
Jonathan – About the purpose of the Orchid station – and also a possible ‘stumble’ upon an explanation for ‘Nosebleeds’ & ‘timeline double troubles’… (here I go, well, it is a Sunday afternoon!).
There’s info on lostpedia .wikia .com about the Orchid station and reference between what they were doing (with the bunnies) and the ‘Casimir effect’. I’m afraid I haven’t got my head around it but there’s a link between uses of the Casimir effect ‘giving rise to repulsive forces’ and ‘stabilising wormholes’ and ‘faster than light travel’, so that’s good enough for me! There’s also importance placed on short distances between particles/energies that could be relevant here… (is there a quantum physicist in the house?).
Pretending I have got my head around this stuff (hmmm…), and a follow on from what Lolo was saying above… If a person (or animate object) comes into physical contact with themselves, from one timeline into another (we saw the fierce panic of Dr Candle/Halliwax/Wickmund with the two bunnies in the Orchid), may be the problem is collision of identical particles creating some volatile reaction in the chain, or generates (or collapses) a black hole or worm hole in time (depending on which one you would consider to be more of a disaster!). And here we are worrying about nose bleeds!!
Ok, maybe it doesn’t have such a cataclysmic effect but I wonder if the nosebleeds are not necessarily related to how long someone has spent on (or away, or born on) the island, but that they are dangerously close to themselves colliding which creates, say an automatic ‘purge’ or elimination of one of them? Perhaps somewhere in the laws of physics you can’t maintain the order of things if they co-exist in the same timeline. Sorry Scoopie, I know this goes against what you’re saying but ‘I want to believe’!
Daniel –
I like this thought about Jin and Danielle not having met before – that would ‘allow’ this to happen, given Faraday’s explanation about not being able to change the past. – I think you’re spot on! We need to watch other encounters to see if the rule applies.
I know I’m sticking my neck out here but I still think Sun is going to do a number on Widmore (I see you’re point of view about it being vengeance against Kate and / or Jack for not going back for Jin) but I think she’s working for Ben as a double agent to get Widmore, ultimately. CPL – I’m with you on the chocs, photos and gun being from Ben, for her to use as dummy evidence to give to Widmore. I do agree, however, that whatever the agenda, she’s scaring me!!
I don’t want Juliet to die and hope her story will become much bigger (and I want her to end up with Jack – they would be great for each other!).
Walt in NY – where’s Abaddon going to turn up next, I wonder?
Last, but not least. Lola, good stuff on the achara / Jack’s tattoo – perhaps that’s tied in to what Jack said to Isabel (the ‘others’ sheriff lady) when she told him what it said, and Jack said ‘yeh, that’s what it says but that’s not what it means’. Ooh, any clearer? No, not for me either!!
ELLEN…..WOW….you are really AWESOMWE!!!!
youre like “ellenpedia”!haha
and when youre looking only half so good as are you writting then you have to look very beautifull!!
HOWEVER!! Now look at that: I just even watched the newest Trailer of the next ep. 5×05 and it shows:
SPOILER ALARM:
It shows Sun going to Jack,Kate,Ben which are talking with each other at the harbour and know guess what happen -SUN points the gun on BEN!!! She says to Kate MOVE AWAY!! THEN after she´s pointing on Ben, you know what does Ben says: “JIN IS ALIVE AND I CAN PROOF IT”!!!!!!!! WOW!!!! So that answers us now a lot of questions (about Sun)! At least it shows Locke, Sawyer, Juliet.., point is they are at a fountain (think somewhere at the orchid but outside!) After Sawyer asks him what he wanna find down there, Locke answerw “A way off the Island”!!! So Locke ropes down into that fountain and after he´s some meters down suddenly A LIGHT from the bottom of the foutain begins to shine, their screaming around…….and that´s all, OVER!!!! Ohh, Sawyer points a gun at JIN in the jungle and Sawyer seemed very aggressiv, but i don´t know it was only a trailer showing parts of the next episode, so we´ll see!!!!!!!
It also seemed like Rousseous´s people were with Locke´s people together in the jungle at the last scene from the trailer!! I GUESS they were it
Hey guys, i hope that´s ok wrtting Spoilers on this site??
When you wanna watch the trailer: http://www.lost-mania.de/aktuelles/article.php?article_file=1234012528.html;
it´s a german site
i hope i´m allowed to do this, sorry if i´m not, but please (SCOTT) tell me if this is ok, or not!!!
Ellen,
Jin and Rousseau last met at the end of season 3 when they, and all the main cast members walked into the middle of the jungle and Jack blew up the dynamite to explain his plan for how to deal with the others.
They did not have any exchange of dialogue, but they were in the same scene together. And since Jin was staying behind as one of the shooters, Rousseau was at least aware of who Jin was.
As for Juliet, I dont think she will be killed. At least yet. She still has some sort of character motivation and usefullness to the show. If they just decided to kill her off on a whim, like they did to Mr. Eko, I will be pissed off. She still has plenty to bring to the show. If anyone on the show should go, its Rose and bernard, theyve run their course.
you’re so right, Moohaha – so it’s back to the drawing board on that one (along with so many others!).
ELLEN…..WOW….you are really AWESOMWE!!!!
youre like “ellenpedia”!haha
and when youre looking only half so good as are you writting then you have to look very beautifull!!
HOWEVER!! Now look at that: I just even watched the newest Trailer of the next ep. 5×05 and it shows:
SPOILER ALARM:
It shows Sun going to Jack,Kate,Ben which are talking with each other at the harbour and know guess what happen -SUN points the gun on BEN!!! She says to Kate MOVE AWAY!! THEN after she´s pointing on Ben, you know what does Ben says: “JIN IS ALIVE AND I CAN PROOF IT”!!!!!!!! WOW!!!! So that answers us now a lot of questions (about Sun)! At least it shows Locke, Sawyer, Juliet.., point is they are at a fountain (think somewhere at the orchid but outside!) After Sawyer asks him what he wanna find down there, Locke answerw “A way off the Island”!!! So Locke ropes down into that fountain and after he´s some meters down suddenly A LIGHT from the bottom of the foutain begins to shine, their screaming around…….and that´s all, OVER!!!! Ohh, Sawyer points a gun at JIN in the jungle and Sawyer seemed very aggressiv, but i don´t know it was only a trailer showing parts of the next episode, so we´ll see!!!!!!!
It also seemed like Rousseous´s people were with Locke´s people together in the jungle at the last scene from the trailer!! I GUESS they were it
Hey guys, i hope that´s ok wrtting Spoilers on this site??
When you wanna watch the trailer: ….http://www.lost-mania.de/aktuelles/article.php?article_file=1234012528.html..
it´s a german site
i hope i´m allowed to do this, sorry if i´m not, but please (SCOTT) tell me if this is ok, or not!!!
Scoppie– Great theory on Juliette. Yes, it has been very hard to see what her purpose is now that Jack is gone. But, she is secretive and possibly scandalous. I still think she knows Charlotte and Daniel, if you think back to when they were dealing with the posinous gas at the Tempest, and Daniel spoke to Julietee like he knew here (something about I am trying to save us . .)
But, I have to agree with Daniel that she will stick around. Daniel– you also saw what I saw and commented on much earlier that there was a little flash of something between Sawyer and Juliette. In fact, it is a little hard for me to see Sawyer having any purpose unless she is around. After all, who would he hang out with??
C.P.L (One of my favorites, with the apologies about your english and all), good theory on the voices possibly being the losties coming near themselves in a time loop. I can certainly buy that theory for Sayid and Sawyer, as you may remember back in Season 1 (l or 2) that both heard them. For Sawyer it was when he had escaped by Danielle, and I cannot remember when Sawyer did, but he did ask Sayid about them. Also, Danielle said she had heard them too. I am not sure about Hurley, Sun and Jack. I will point out the others who heard the voices (that I can remember). 1. Shannon, right before Anna blew her away. She also saw walt 2 times. 2. Anna, Echo, Bernard, Libby, Jin, Michael and Mr. Echo heard them right before Anna killed Shannon. Remember that just as soon as Cindy disappeared Anna yelled “Run”. Now, with Anna, Shannon, Echo, Libby, and Michael all dead, I just cannot completley square that with a time loop. HELP!!!!
C.P.L. One more thing. Too funny calling Ellen “ellenpedia” but, very fitting because she is out of control, in a good way, with the details.
MAYBE…..RICHARD…..Did not tell Locke…Because these incidents have been looping until something is done right to stop the loop….So, Could it be that Richard just didn’t say anything this time to make things right….
Or MAYBE…. the writers would just hope people would over look this just like when fans started asking “why is it that Jack in one episode had chest hairs and later he didn’t”
could it be….That Jin may have drifted into to radius… if (just a theory) the island apeared back in its time and place then disappeared with Jin back in the Radius area?
Could it be the writters just over looked this and would hope fans would too?
I still want to know about that damn HURLEY BIRD!!!!
Lolo, thanks for the photo compliment ! is nice to put a face to a name. Yours is really nice too, two pretty girls interested in lost amongst all these men
Moohaha, absolutely spot on in regards to Jin and Rousseau appearing together in the Season 3 finale. Ellen, I guess that throws my theory completely out of the water. I suppose the only other possible explanation to the whole scenario is that after spending 16 years alone on the island, Danielle lost not only her mind, but to a degree her memory as well. Perhaps it could be argued that after spending so long in solitude, Rousseau simply forgot who Jin was. A loss of mind/memory on Danielle’s part is certainly hinted at in particular in Season 1. In any event, I hope some sort of explanation is given in the next episode.
Haha, I must also agree with you Ellen in regards to the location in which Abaddon will wind up next.
CPL, I too have seen the preview for episode 5, and I believe the “tunnel” into which Locke is descending is undoubtedly the shaft that leads down into the Orchid Station. At the time of the latest ‘flash’, the fake Greenhouse that hides the entrance to the station is apparently yet to be built.
The more interesting aspect of the preview in my opinion is the fact that Ben knows Jin is alive. How could this be the case unless Ben has contact with someone on the island, most probably Richard. If this is indeed true, than maybe Ben has been able to triangulate the island’s location, due to the fact Charlie destroyed the Looking Glass Station in Season 3 (which was blocking transmission). Thus the reason Ben knows how to return the 06 back to the island. However this does not explain what Eloise Hawking was doing towards the end of “The Lie” (some believe she was trying to decipher the location of the island). Of course, the statement “Jin is alive”, could be yet another fabrication on Ben’s behalf- a further attempt to convince a member of the O6, in this case Sun, to return.
hey guys GREAT reading getting caught up on the theories from this weekend, Remember Locke came back and one would think maybe he saw Jin before he left. We don’t yet know who he talked to and what he said. He could have reached out to Ben before his demise, thus the proof for Sun.
The other matter I was thinking of was (ellen you probably know this) The airline that the water bottle was from in the boat was from India right? And then those people were chasing the losties? The losties had already seen their camp so they had to be in the future or present so that would mean another airline? pro haps Widmore searching for his daughter?
To Ellen and AP. It seems clear the babies can’t be conceive in the island, then following the timeline theory from Jonathan, Ben came out from the island, traveling across space-time, to conceive his daughter with a French girl. And more, he knew that some months after she was wrecked in the island. Please I need a little. Anybody knows who is the women in bed visited by Desmond in London?
Daniel,
good point about Ben knowing of Jin through Locke. Im sure they will run into one another now that we know Jin is alive. And Locke will tell Ben that is how he will be able to convince Sun to return. Its the only way that makes sense. Good thinking
2. Putting all theories together about Jin and the Sun’s conception, I think Jin can’t dead because this family have still a very important role to play. The writers simply will put Jin in a radius island time. (And in the Rosseau’s time line she still don’t meet Jin, as Richard didn’t knows who Locke was..)
Congratulations to all people who writes that the client was Ben pushing Kate to return the island. The grand mom seems just a fake from writers but here all are causes and consequences.
Richard,
about the Sayid role. Good point: All time their foes uses darts. Usually that minds Sayid have got a very important information. More than the rest of losties (but Hurley maybe) . All the rest have never been attacked by anybody (Hurley is watched). And little by little, writers shows us that Sayid plays his own game too and he is not a simply killer puppet from Ben.
Finally, it is not so clear as the lawyer says, that Hurley can be easily release. There was another two people killed in the motel. And a man take a picture from Hurley with a gun. I think a good trail is coming.
My last question. Any idea about why the others want to seem Indians or natives from the island? Ellen please, another good theory will be welcomed.
My 5 years old son always asked me the same question about Lost, specially when he saw Locke and Jack on the island, and i confess i never know what to say to him. He says: ”daddy, how come these men’s beard and hair never grow? ”. Ellen, can you help me on this?
Ah, great point Richard regarding the possibility that Locke/Bentham informed Ben of Jin’s survival. That explanation completely skipped my mind, as is probably the easiest way to account for Ben’s knowledge of Jin’s well being. As I stated before however, Ben could have absolutely no idea whether or not Jin is alive, and is only saying so as to convince Sun to return to the island.
Jonathan, I think it is safe to assume that at least one of the 324 passengers on Oceanic Flight 815 were travelling with scissors and/or a razor. In fact, in an episode in Season 2 (just after Sawyer’s return from the failed raft expedition), Kate is shown cutting his hair on the beach. And I am positive that at one point we are also shown Locke shaving in the Hatch (I think this also occured in Season 2).
Guys,
About hairs and shaving..etc.., i mean they didn´t travelled with scissors and other “cuters” in the crashed airplane, BUT think about the stations and “otherstown”, these explains how and from where they got scissors…food…etc., remember the Swan Station, there was a bicycle to stay in form, so there were at least in otherstown everything they needed like Sawyer said to Kate, “we have electricity, water,..” to live a NORMAL live like the “others” did before the losties crashed!!
Daniel
I agree with you about Ben is maybe faking again on Sun to bring her to believe to go back for Jin! I mean, HEY…how could Ben know this about Jin, i maybe can tell you: Remember when Jin was picked up by Rousseau AND remember when Keamy Killed Alex, Ben said: “she means nothing to me, i took her from a crazy woman (roussueau), That means when he met rousseau (in the past) she maybe told him about a korean guy they have found in the water, so Ben could remembered on this and so he knew that Jin didn´t die at the freighter explosion!!
BUT what´s about Ben said: “i can proof it” (in the new trailer), so how he could do this with a gun in the face??
AND HEY…..that are only thoughts, like always!
Totallylost,…thx, now i know you all understand me, because i thought i write too different, so that you maybe don´t understand what i mean about what i´m writting!!
NOW, about the voices!! MAN,…i don´t thought about the people died after they heared voices, what is of cours true when i think about that!! Very Good Point! The only thing what put a stone in that theory is that it could/was “Smokey” -at least at Mr. Eko-, soo….buhh…there is something wright about that theory -surely- but that SMOKE MONSTER seemed to me like it was speaking to the guys before it comes to kill them (some of them)! AND we know BEN was the one who CALLED once “SMOKEY”, you know…when Keamy shots Alex..!! Sooo….i don´t know…!! sorry, that´s too much for my head!!
HEY…what do you guys think about that:
Every body who crashed on that island is somehow connectet to each other!! Nobody knew each other but nearly everybody had once something to do with their families etc..! Like Libby and Desmond -giving him the boat-, about Sawyer and C.Shephard met in australia in that Bar!! I don´t know exactly about everybodys past, but there is a connecting in some kind of way, it´s like destiny bring them together!!
AGAIN……only thoughts from me!!!
I JUST WATCHED A TWO PREVIEWS FOR WEDS EPISODE!!!! CRAZY!!!! I THINK THIS MAY BE THE EPISODE WHERE WE DISCOVER HOW MONTRAND LOST HIS ARM…!!!!
A totally unrelated thing to think about…
Anyone remember Cindy? She was on of the tail survivors who was abducted by the Others in season 2 and then seen in season 3 as having joined the Others along with the small children from the tail.
Does anyone believe that since now that the island is moving through time and Locke, Sawyer and all are moving with it, is it safe to assume that Cindy and the children are moving in time as well?
They were new to the island at the time of the crash, just like Locke and his crew. So if they are moving in time, they were last seen to be heading to the Temple with the rest of the Others. So in theory, if they are in this Temple when the island moved, what happened to them? Was the Temple always there, and if so, was it inhabited or being built during the time the island has shifted to? Does anyone think we will ever see them again and learn what happened to them?
Surely the Others in the past will not recognize them, because they dont recognize Locke.
Anybody have any other thoughts on this?
Moohaha. I totally forgot about Cindy and the kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great reminder. Sorry but I am stumped on that one, as I am still having a hard time wrapping my arms around this whole time travel thing.
Moohaha!!! you are correct!!!!!! GREAT POINT…. Maybe Jacob spared them???
Hey guys i watched wright now a new trailer of ep. 5×05, it´s about the french people being attacked (with Jin) by the Smoke Monster -again at last we see “Smokey”- and looks like he´s taking (killing?) a french man!!!
But that´s not the point;
My questions to you about the french people is:
Could it be that they are the relieve for the people in the Swan Station?? I mean WHY and HOW they came respectively knew the bearing to (on) the island, or was it only DESTINY, like Desmonds way to the island!!?? For me it seems they are on a “mission” on the island!
Soooo…..what are you thinking about the french people AND why FRANCE?? Do we saw in previous episodes somebody or something from France in a connect to the island or to the people from the island??? Any idea??
good night
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