The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham – Episode 5.07
Here are 3 fresh sneak peeks into tomorrow nights episode of Lost – The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham.
The first one looks to be just after Locke turns the wheel. He lands in the Tunisia (written on the license plate), which is the same place Ben landed. Then picked up by a couple of guys in a truck, who apparently are working with Mr. Whidmore, as seen in the next two clips.
Here we see Locke in a car with Abaddon, who informs John he helps Charles Whidmore get people get to where they need to go. He informs John that he is the reason for getting John to the island, and now he’s going to help him do what he needs to do off the island.
Locke meets Whidmore in what appears to be a hospital of some sort. Whidmore informs John that the 06 have been off the island for 3 years and have lied about what happened. He also tells John he’s going to help him get them all back to the island because a war is coming.
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hope this episode is answering more of our questions about what happened off the island for Locke as opposed to giving us more questions about it. Abbadon works for whidmore. based on these clips whidmore comes off as a decent guy who is trying to help. Based on everything else we have heard tho he’s a terrible guy.
1. Penny and Des are basically scared of him
2. He sent the mercenary team to kill Ben and everyone else on the island
3. Beat up that guy in the parking garage
4. the hiding or planting of the plane in the ocean
5. i’m sure I’m missing something….
It will be interesting to see what the story of this character is.
Doesn’t seem like abbadon is walt based on this either.
6.He also partially (or fully?) has(had) investment in the Darma Initiative…Which those people were in kahoots with the “hostiles”…Richard and them…..Though…Widmore was also with Richard and them at one time. (so strange or another void unanswered as for now)
Seeing him tell Locke that they are about to go to war. Does this mean the Losties will be caught in the middle? Is Locke with Ben? Widmore now? or Richard and them? or Jacob? or the freakin island? Or DESTINY? (destiny thrown in for humor)
And I agree….and mantain my stance… Abbadon(matthew) is not Walt.
I still think Widmore snuck on the plane too and he flashed back to the island with the 06. I feel both he and Ben were pimpning the 06 to get back to the island. Now if for some reason Widmore did not sneak onto the plane…he will get back there with Dez. This is just me and how I feel about it.
….why in the world does Locke look shocked about the 06 not telling the truth about being on the island when we was the one that told Jack that they had to lie!. This part is annoying me in this seen. Like Adam said I hope they answer some dog gone questions……
dez and whidmore teaming up to avenge penny?? i like that idea.
looks promising !
Perhaps if penny is dead then all the ‘rules’ have been broken from hers and alexs death and the result is all out war?
Wow. Looks like we are in for a wild ride. I am with Jason about Locke being surprised that the 06 lied, because it was his idea.
Now that we have a little more insight into Abaddon, I wonder why He asked Hurley if anyone else was alive (at Santa Rose) if it appears that he already knows. This is strange.
I am really mystified about Widmore and his role/knowledge about this island. It remains to be seen.
I think Locke was actually surprised that it has been 3 years in off island time.
I think Locke was surprised that Jack actually did what he told him to do, which was lie. According to the history of those two, Jack has never really listened to what Locke has had to say about destiny and the island being special and all of that. When Locke tells Jack that he has to lie, Jack yet again looks at him as if he was crazy and he becomes frustrated with Locke. I’m not sure if that’s the reason, but for me it seems like the one that makes the most sense.
Jason- good catch on Locke telling Jack to lie.
War is coming is a little advantageous don’t you think. All this guy has done to destroy what was on the island? Please!
I hope Ben and Widmore both get played and Abaddon is the victor because he used them against each other.
Jlittle….i´m with you about Locke and Jack!
A little bit strange was Locke´s behavior in front of Abbadon and Widmore.
It looks like that the so called bad people what Ben was always talking about – Widmore´s gang, are maybe not “bad”!?!? Even more…after Jacob´s “Help Me” to Locke in season 3 it could be that Widmore´s crew is the one trying to…maybe….”rescue” Jacob with Locke?
I mean it seemed to me Jacob is only able to talk to one person i.e. Ben before Locke came (please correct me if i´m wrong)!? So who the hell is now bad or good or….dead?
At the end Widmore was once too one of the island “others”, then Ben and now Locke….i speak about the Leaders!!??
We´ll see, i´m like always very curious what will happen in the next episode, espcecially this one!!!!! Like my friends – ALL of you, am i right? of course i am..
We now knwo that Ben and Jaob are on opposite sides, and ben and widmore are opposite sides but does that put widmore and jacob on the same side? I guess we’ll see. Widmores boat was not sent to rescue anyone but to kill ben and find the island. I wonder hoe locke can be reasonably friendly with someone who sent a mercenary team to kill him and all the losties. I hope its something better than -well i want the island, and you were on it but lets team up and kill ben for now!
Yeah Lolo i´m asking me the same questions about who is with who -widmore/ben/Jacob- and if Locke is again stupid in believing in liars, maybe this time with Widmore? Locke is like a special toy for people like Ben which know more than him about the hidden secrets of the island, and so he can be easily manipulated because of being so inquisitive!!
Well, we´ll see!!
And why does everyone land in Tunisia? Even the polar bear!
Scott, i dont know if i’m allowed to post it, but this youtube video showing Jacob is quite interesting.Sorry if you have already seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIRV5qUqNrw&feature=related
WOW!!!!!
Convincing video Jonathan.
However, I think I remember them writers saying they used a random member of the crew for this role so that they didn’t give it away. Also, Locke’s face could have been photoshopped into that image.
I don’t know though, if it is real, its definitely an interesting find.
Scott you’re right, they said they had used someone random to fill that in and the role of jacob had not yet been cast.
I do love the idea of locke being jacob though but surely richard would have recognised him in jughead? He seemed very well aquainted with jacob but didn’t recognise locke at all.
lolo -
good point. locke said he was their leader and richard laughed at him basically.
it def could have been photo shopped. it does look like locke tho. real quick it looked like christian to tho. dont think it proves anything.
I also think that locke wasnt surprised that jack and the O6 lied but that it had been three years for them off the island when it was only a few days if that for them on the island.
Locke at times seems so strong and at other times so weak as a character. A strong mystery about him then a very open weak side to him.
Hey all. I am not sure if Jacob is really one person, as it seems as if he uses the dead or those who are spiritually inclined to accomplish his purposes. For example, Ben’s mother who led Ben to Richard, Walt who helped John out of the ditch when shot, Christian to speak to John, Horrace Goodspeed to lead John to the Cabin. And, if I were really crazy, Charlie to speak to Hurley. I am sure there are others, but I am not yet convinved that he is a single person.
We shall see. I have a feeling that the Jacob mystery will not be revealed until the last season.
Can’t wait for tonight.
I thought he’s been shown to be very emotionally vulnerable, at an orderly (abaddon) ’s suggestion he goes to australia to do a walkabout despite being in a wheelchair, tries to take a girl he’s spoken to on a chat line with him, is really desperate for his parents to love him, is always looking to the island for the answers and following without question. I know the island healed him and he is loyal to it and the constant comparisons of him being a man of faith and jack being a man of science show how important belief is on the island. Having said that i think his off island behaviour shows him as a man who is really searching for ’something’ in his life and is so desperate or it that it really weakens him.
Adam looks like we’re on the same page mostly
Lolo– Good question about why Tunisia for Ben, Locke and the bear. This is just another mystery that needs to be solved.
What do you think, Kate, Hurley and Jack arrived on the island in the same period of time than Sayid, Sun and Ben or did they split in time?
If so, and being the first group in the same time than Jin, could it happen that Sun meets Jin like Sawyer met Kate and Claire , i mean, in different times?
a good question jonathan….didnt think about that.
another would be how long has it been on the island since locke left? a few days…weeks…months???? how many flashes? what has happened to everyone since?
these questions will have to wait because i dont think we will see scenes from the island until next weeks episode.
Hey everyone. Maybe the flashes have stopped since locke moved the wheel.
I think the 05 are all in the same time period how the other losties are on the island, that would make the most sense.
Another thing i just remembered is what Mikhael said once to Locke on the island….he said that the John Locke he knows….then suddenly Rousseau broke up the conversation because she saw something..it was more she knew what he wanna say!!?? That was really weird and Locke smiled at Mikhael in that moment!
-i just watched the scene again-
So could it be we will see Mikhael again on the island somewhere in the past? Probably i think!!
Did anyone catch the guy at the airport that gave Jack his condoliances on the death of his friend?? On the plane he was in the background in many scenes. Any guesses what role he will be playing in all of this?
Thanks
Oh and by the way….sorry I’m a week late with my question.
Adam, i agree with Marco, i guess that when Locke moved the wheel the island stoped moving.
Remember that Christian told him it was off it axis so he needed to pushed it.
Being off its axis made it kind of loose, so thats why the island kept moving on an on.
I think it stoped in the dharma iniciative time, in the 70’s , considering the brand new Volkswagen Jin was driving, wearing the dharma clothes.
Lolo, about Tunisia, according to what i was reading, if the globe was a sandwich, the exact opposite side would be in the middle of the south pacific, close to new zealand, and i guess close to where the island is.
they mentioned this site : http://www.zefrank.com/sandwich/tool.html and if you know how to use google maps, select tunisia and check it out.
Interesting observation Jonathan. Isn’t the island supposed to have moved since then though? The polar bear came through at one point and we know the island moved at least once when ben pushed the whee, maybe it moved again when locke pushed it, but still they’re in the same place? Maybe there is another dharma stataion or similar energy drawing them there? Man i never thought i would ever be typing these words, i hope lost has a decent end or i’ve gone sci fi for nothing
C.P.L….
i remember that as well…and I think you are on to something…at the time though when watching that episode your refering to I was thinking he was refering to Locke being in a wheel chair, since it was eluded to that he(Mikal) was the one that got all the information on the survivors… However, with that being said I still strongly feel he had been on the island long ago…. I recall him being from russia and talking about a war wound or in battle or something to that effect…i wonder if we will ever see him in a flash back. Or a flashback time skipping situation…. Or in russia for that matter….Maybe he isn’t even dead?!
Jacob link….
When you go to youtube there is another link that has the actor michael emerson discussing Jacob…Veeeerrrrryyy interesting…I don’t want to spoil it for anyone but if you are that curious you’ll find it. Eitherway, the video with the dialog eludes to someone different and somewhat supports what the writters said earlier….since they of often speak with ambiguities.
Ok…Ok….
A little more research on Mikhail…the charactor was named after the actual Russian revolutionary who thought anarchy ruled (wait…is that possible). Connection… Mikhail(the charactor)was in the soviet navy pacific fleet… Hurley’s friend leonard was in the us navy and was stationed in a listening post in the pacific…
question is will we ever see the connection?????? Or will the writers let this one go…. OK…no more posting…I’ve got an hour and 20 minutes to get the popcorn ready for LOOOOOAAAAAUUUUUST!
Jason i’m so jealous of you-i won’t get to see it until tomorrow evening. Can someone film it and send it to my phone to keep me entertained at work
Really hope this one is better!
Also i agree with jason on the mikhail thing, i thought he was referring to locke being in a wheelchair as mikhail was able to get the info on all of them.
Jason my friend i´m envious about you getting your popcorn ready for watching Lost in a few minutes; you know…i´m in europe and have to wait till morning midday for watching my favourites!! however
Thanks for answering, and good work for finding out more stuff about Mikhail, very interesting! This guy seemed to me a little bit being immortal after we “saw” him dying a few times…and remember what Ben said to him after coming back to their camp once, “i thought you were dead”!!?
Of course Ben wasn´t surprised he just “asked” him that instead of hey, how you´re doing dude!
But Whatever is about Mikhail either we´ll see again something from him or not. I would be interested but he wasn´t a main character so obviously the writters pulled him out with the death of charlie!?!?
When i watched that scene with Locke & Mikhail again, he also told them about -The List- created by Jacob. This List was the reason for the kidnapping of everybody and that´s how the mystery started once, i think we still got no answer who exactly was on this paper and why; but…however i also think that´s not more intersting wright now, isn´t it??
Lolo…..I´m suffering wiht you!!!!!!! damn waiting
Lolo and CPL– Sorry you both have to wait to see the eposide. I’m in the US-Colorado, and I only have 2 hours to go.
As for Mikhail, I’ve never forgotten about him, and am still pissed that he offed Charlie. His back story would be interesting, and he, like Ben, seems to always be hiding something. I also have always wondered why he heals so quickly, (from the sonic fence and Desmond’s arrow), just like John.
Until tomorrow my fellow losties . . .
HOLY CRAAAAAAAAPPPPP!!!!! WAS IT GOOD! AND THE PREVIEWS FOR NEXT WEEK AT THE END!!!!! DANG THIS IS PURE TORTURE! I won’t say anything out of respect for those of you Tunisia…ooops I mean Europe and wherever else. But I just cant wait to hear what you have to say….
Adam-I already know what you’re going to say about Ben…LOL….and I can’t wait to hear that too! AAAAaaannnd I will most likely agree with what you have to say!
Those writter almost brought a tear out me tonight!
Totallylost-guess what!? I’m still totallylost how about you?
Hey Jason, I’m curious which part was going to make u tear. The episode was gooood. Ben will forever be on my shit list no matter what.
My girlfriend just started watching lost this past weekend. She’s on episode 5 haha. She doesn’t know what she got her self into. One thing i did not understand from the beginning of Lost is, how the hell did charlie end up on the island when he buckled himself up in first class right by the cockpit after dropping his drugs.
BTW Next week will be amazing.
When Whidmore said he was tricked off the island I was like Wow. That sentence just answered so many questions. But of course bug eye Ben steps in to give a conflicting story.
We’ll never know which one is the good one until the very end I think. I’m still leaning towards Ben being the good one. Even after the ending tonight. I think he knew it had to be done and that John would be back upon arriving at the island.
I agree Scott…..
I think when the persons name was mentioned Ben all of a sudden realized he was F’in up and had to change what he he doing when stopping the particular person…..
Marco-
Without giving too much away for those that have not seen it yet….for me it was the emotional tearing down of the charactor, and hopelessness that had been built up. Every season they do this to this individual but it really did a good job of building the person up to their ropes end…hehehehe.
I am curious to hear the different theories that will develop with Walt.
It is now up and running on ABC’s website to watch!!!
If you didnt watch it yet, dont read it!!
Some thoughts:
– the plane landed in the smaller island, where the hydra station was. There was its logo on the file that Ceaser was reading. Ilana and Locke were looking at the proper island when talking on the beach.
– They did split in time. Jack, Hurley and Hugo went to the past, traveled in time and were kind of abducted from the plane.
– Probably Sun was the woman who left in the canoe with Lapidus.
– Maybe Ben was really trying to help Locke to go back to the island and killed him because he couldnt really kill himself, like Michael and Jack couldnt when they tried. If Ben wouldnt want John to come back to the island, why bother to take care of his coffin and gather them all?
– It seems all of them were chosen to be in oceanic 815..like Abaddon said..he gets people to go where they need to or something like that.
– I thought that Locke’s meeting with Walt was kind of lame. They havent met since season 1 so they should be more vibrant to see each other. It looks like Locke is gonna have trouble now on the island, according to Walt’s dream.
Scott, the reincarnation theme you pointed out was really meaning something.
Locke indeed reincarnaited, differently than Christian that became sort of a spirit. Why would that be?
DAMN IT! My theory was blown all to Hell… Abaddon was killed therefore he is no longer in the mix, there was a surprise. I loved how it stayed with Locke and I called it on Ben killing him. I can’t wait for him to get his comeupins,
The dude with the shot gun would explain the shots fired at Sawyer when the ones left were trying to get to the Orchid.
I have to agree that Sun may be the one with Lapidus. They probably went to the other island to find Jin and the rest. Remember when Sawyer and them found the boat they were in their camp last night they weren’t, so that means road trip (boat trip).
Finally jonathan I believe Locke was reincarnated because he sacrificed for the island I don’t believe that to be the same with Christian, he died being a drunk or whatever, he may have even been killed to get Jack on the plane who knows yet but I believe he didn’t know about the island until after his death.
Hey guys I found this on the LA Times this morning, It has a little insight into our favorite show.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-lost-mystery-people-pg,0,976653.photogallery
A few thoughts…
Sorry this might be long
Locke meets up with Walt and Walt tells him he is surrounded by people who want to hurt him in his dreams. I think this group are the people like Ceasar, Ilanna and Amy (not yet seen). The new group from the airplane that just crashed.
I don’t think we can say they are working for Ben or Whidmore yet but I think they are all one side or the other. My guess is the war will be between this group and the original Losties. One side run by Ben the other Whidmore.
Locke meets with Whidmore I think this is a good scene. It answers some questions and makes Whidmore out to be a “good guy”. I dont know if thats tru or not yet. My gut feeling is that they will make Ben out to be the good guy…which will piss me off cause he’s been a total dick the entire season. To have him end up doing things for the greater good would be a let down for me. He also said he was tricked off the island by Ben….which makes perfect sense to me. Jack and Locke….two very intelligent people keep falling for this guy’s BS….I’ve decided they are the two dumbest people alive.
I agree with some other peoples comments, I think once Locke spun the wheel back on its axis that the flashes stopped. I also think that time caught up with itself and three years have now passed on the island. I only believe that based on a comment made by sawyer in the coming attractions for next week…..which look f-ing awesome.
New question…and maybe I missed it….when was Locke informed about Eloise Hawking??? He mentions that to Ben and Ben kills him….what a shocker. LOL. But when did anyone mention to Locke about Eloise Hawking and her being Faraday’s mom???? Did I miss that???
Also Whidmore say’s Locke needs to be there so the right side wins the war? Other conversations have lead me to believe Jack to be a leader. Eloise tells him he has another purpose? Then there is Richard, Jacob, Ben and Whidmore……who leads who and which side is which???
I would love to comment about the coming attractions but I don’t know if everyone sees the same ones after the show in different countries. I guess we’ll wait a week.
Hey Adam,
Christian told Lock to find Eloise when he was about to turn the wheel.
And when Eloise told Jack he had another purpose..I think she was just talking about giving something of his dad’s to Locke.
Hey Guys,
Just watched the new episode…..Again Great One!! I have to say now that season 5 is my favourite from all…i know maybe a lot of you don´t agree but that´s my opinion.
First what i have to say is that i´m now really confused. I have no idea who is the good and who is the bad one!! I think Ben is the bad one but he told Locke the same crap like Wimdore about helping him to go back to the island, convincing everyone and then be the leader of the island! We know both (Ben,Charles) were leaders and both wanna stay leaders or will be again.
Locke….ohh my god…he is soo poor. I really felt sad when Locke was on the roop and Ben came in. Everybody tells Locke how special he is and he have to do that and that…to trust him and him not! He´s confused and then Ben this ASS killed him icecold again!!! ..poor john..
A litle bit lame was the meeting with Walt and Hurley(this psycho); and of course Abbadon´s story, so that´s it with this mysterious guy, he was only a “chauffeur” at the end??
Walt also told Locke he is dreaming about him and there he sees him being by people wanna hurting him..strange! I think Walt didn´t mean the people where Locke is wright now on the island, it´s more about what will come….maybe Dharma or some others??
Very intersting is what Charles told John about an upcoming War and when Locke isn´t on the island when it starts the wrong side will win!? I have no clue about whom or what he was speaking about! ..funny is Widmore´s telephone number what he gave Locke..23#!!
ohh..i also saw the trailer for next week…..this woman what Sawyer rescues…my first thought was..it´s Penny…but that´s not possible, isn´t it??!!
sorry for writting so much
C.P.L. Good call on Penny I didn’t think of that you could be right, It would make sense that the island isn’t done with Desmond yet.
The meeting with Walt was lame I thought it could have been more in depth but whatever.
I can’t wait for Sawyer to see Kate……
i thought the lady he saved was eloise as a young girl. he looks shocked when he takes the wrap off her head tho….and im not sure that would be shocking to him.
jason….ur right…now i remember….
I guess john is the key to either side winning “the war” and they are each just trying to get him on their side. Now that Ben has tried to kill Locke once and succeeded a second time he will no longer give him the benefit of the doubt. Just f-ing kill him….
I 100% believe the people Locke is with now are who Walt was refering to when said they were trying to hurt them.
Please kill ben….please.
For such a mysterious guy, abbaddon was killed with little being revealed about him. the only thing we know is that he gets people to where they have to go. means nothing to me in the grand scheme.
i also thought it was cool when lock asked are the cameras whidmores and why….and he says….thats the exit….pretty cool. not like we didnt know that but still kinda cool.
Jonathan,
I agree, they are on the Hydra Island, the logo and the fact that they had the numerous canoes lined up on the beach, and Frank and Sun had taken off in one of them for the main island.
Im assuming that the O5 flashed to the island, and the rest went down with the plane.
more later….
Hello folks. Gosh, where do I begin??
I know– Jason. You said the episode almost brought a tear to your eye. Well, your post did for me. What a laugh. I am glad to see that you are as totallylost as me!!!!
On to the episode. I am with everyone above that I just do not know who is the good or the bad. If I had to lean towards one it would be Ben as the good guy, although he is somewhat demented and misguided. When he strangled John I could not tell if his reaction was joy or was relief that what he needed to do was done. My reaction was complete shock!!!! I never saw that coming. They got me there.
Poor John. That man has been through enough. I definately did not see Abaddon’s demise coming. Well done. I agree with Jonathin above that killing John had some purpose because of Ben taking care of his body from the funeral parlor. That also tells me that the time from John’s death to when he and Jack took his body was short, maybe a week or so. So that makes me ask how did Ben round up the 6 so quickly? I mean Sayid was is the Domincan Republic. How did he get back so quickly, and get to hurley, etc . . .
We now know why Jack was so affected by John’s death (you remember him seeing the article, going to the funeral home, talking to Kate about it at the airport). It was because of what john told Him about Christian. It also possibly explains why jack tried to kill himnself on the bridge, becuase with John dead there was no hope of going back to the island and finding out the truth about his dad. Poor guy. So, when Ben shows up at the funeral parlor and tells him there is still hope, that is why Jack was so eager to go.
The plane- First, it missed the runway on the island where the hydra is that Kate and Sawyer worked on!! Second, I can see John, Ben, Frank, Illana and Ceasar landing in the present time, but why Sun? She and Sayid should have time skipped back to the 70’s Dharma like the others. Well, we at least know that Sun knew the way because she had been to the hydra island before on Desmond’s boat.
As for the canoe like boats, I remember that Karl used a similar boat when He left the island where the Hydra was to warn the survivors of Ben’s impending attack. So we know where they came from, and they were not built by some other mysterious others. Does that also mean that when Sawyer, miles, julietee et al found the boats that they had skipped not only in time but in place because they hydra is a separate island?
I am also with C.P.L. and Jonathin that the Walt part was lame and a letdown. I just thought Walt would have a bigger part in this whole deal.
Well, more thought to follow after I watch it again.
Oh yeah. CPL, and now Richard 7769– good thought on Penny possibly being back on the island and being the one with here face covered in the previews. It is another way for Desmond to get back there.
One more thing. In the previews Sawyer said “is three years long enough to get over someone.” What does he mean 3 years????????? Time on the island does not move that fast compared to time back in the real world. In fact, it has probably only been a few weeks of island time compared to real world time since the losties left.
also, I agree 100% with Abaddon being killed. So lame, he has so much to explain. I mean, we can infer from what we learned in this episode and put it to what we already know about him and get some closure.
But Im sure he will be back in future episodes in flashbacks and all.
Also, yeah the meeting with Walt should have been better. Like Walt didnt have a million questions for Locke, or Locke for Walt. I just thought it felt too condensed in order to fit it into the episode. Too bad!!
thats why i think time has caught up on the island to three years…..so they are all operating now as if three years have gone by both on and off the island. how it caught up who knows…but i think three years have passed on the island.
Adam…..my second thought was too that the woman is Eloise Hawking..but even when that would be her Sawyer doesn´t know Eloise or Penny so why makes he big eyes after pulling off the wrap from her head? However…we´ll see
I´m with you about Locke being some kind of Key for each side to win this “war”! I´m excited what “war” will come!?
Yeah…it realy looks like they are on the “second” island. But i don´t know in which time they are all, or in which different time?? After Locke told Wimdore it´s four days ago when he met young wimdore first time they could be in anytime on the island.
You see that when Ceaser was searching in that cabin after something, he found some papers of the island and one was showing the time and space which the island moves through!!
Adam- Good thought about time on the island possibly catching up, but I wonder how the island folks would know that without someone telling them that 3 years have passed for the off island folks.
Widmore told Locke he was the leader of the island over three decades, a peacefully protector! I mean he was 17 when Locke came to their camp + 30 years…so Penny have to be born on the island!!?? But who is Mrs. Widmore???
Totallylost….I think three years are gone outside the island for the other losties, but on the island there are only some weeks past!! That´s what maybe Sawyer is meaning when we hear him saying if she (kate) changed her mind after three years..??
Thanks C.P.L. You are probably right about what Sawyer meant.
As for Penny, good thought if it is true that Widmore was really on the island for 30 years. But lets not forget that there was that old Dharma submarine that allowed transport back and forth, so he could of had a wife off the island that he visited from time to time.
So many questions and possiblities . . .
Totallylost….thanks for the reminder about the submarine, i totally forgot that. So yes, he had probably a wife outside the island!
I still think that Hawkings is Widmore’s wife.
Totallylost,
Sun had never been to the Hydra island. The time they took Desmonds boat, they only sailed around to the other side of the big island.
One other note, when Walt visits Hurley at Santa Rosa in the season 4 finale, he tells Hurley that “Bentham” came to see him too. However, upon last nights episode, Locke never mentions the name Jeremy Bentham to Locke.
So how did Walt know his alias was Bentham, did someone else go to see Walt and tell him? Did he visit Locke in one of his dreasm again? Or could it just have been a mistake by the writers?
If this thing ends with Tom Cruse and some scientology BS I’m going to be pissed.
Moohaha….very good observed on Jeremy Bentham. Yes, you´re right i really thought the same when i saw it for the first time…because Locke didn´t tell him his false name!!!
So either Walt dreams about Locke´s name or the writters will answer this another time, or they really forgot?
Moohaha- You are right. I must be getting senile. That was when they saw the 4 toed statue. So then, how did she and frank know where they were going?? I suppose Kate could have told her that the real island was not too far away after she got back from there.
Also, good question about Walt when he talked to Hurley about how he knew Locke’s alias unless someone else told him. Maybe it was Ben. It is also clear that Walt would of had to visit hurley at Santa Rosa AFTER this conversation, but I am not sure if the timing really works. Last, was this brief conversation with “jeremy” enough to compell walt to convince his grandma to suddenly ship him across country to ask Hurley why would they lie? Something is amiss here. Maybe walt had a dream after that.
rrrreally good episode! well constructed and interesting. Gosh, then its actually ben the bad guy and whidmore the good guy!
moohaha – not surprised walt knew the name Bentham, he has special psychic powers.
Oh my god that was excellent, i struggled to watch the bit with John on the rope, bit horrid for my likin, i started watching once he’d got off the desk then OH MY GOD, Ben just attacked him, scared the beejesus out of me
So we’re in a total muddle again really, whos good, whos bad, whos this new guy thinking hes the boss of the new losties and they only just crashed, and surely now someone (gotta be Locke) is gonna kick the living day lights outta Ben!
Not so sure about Widmore, i still think that he could be bad, maybe hes the one sending the army for the war against the island, hes obviously bitter about the fact they got rid of him.
And how does Ben get to and from the island, if the exit point was guarded, is there another exit, or was that a recent thing
Bex
OK—I just had my second look, so here goes.
Walt. After John talked to Walt, Abaddon said to John “I take it you did not invite him along” and “that’s 0 for 2” and it was his understanding that he had to bring
“everyone” back. Well, I always assumed that the only ones that needed to come back were the 06. So why is Abaddon talking as if Walt needed to go back? Also, why would Widmore have kept tabs on Walt? He has been gone from the island for so long, it does not make sense for him to need to go back. Well, maybe his story is not over yet.
When we first see John (when he has the blanket on), and also when he is talking to Illana, he seems like he has no idea what he is supposed to do or knows anything about the island. So, I thought he had amnesia or something. But, when he is talking to Caesar later on the episode he states that he was on the island for 100 days, etc . . So, why isn’t john busting his but to find Richard and the others instead of leisurely standing on the beach?? What is wrong with this picture??
And another thing:
Caesar. When talking to John he said that he saw the bright light and certain folks disappeared. But when Danielle was with Jin and he disappeared, she never saw the light. In fact, she said to Jin “what’s wrong.” Then when she later saw Jin on the beach just after she shot her husband, she yelled at Jin “you disappeared” She is not an 06 survivor or an Other. Neither is Caesar, so why did he see the light?
Is it me or do the Aljira survivors seem remarkably calm for having just crashed, or have they been crashed for a while and have settled in a little?? You never know with the time issues. Also, why did Ilana indicate that the pilot “brought them there”? It is almost as if she thinks Lapidus had a choice. But, if you crashed, whose fault is it?
Last, is it possible that Ms. Hawking is Jacob’s off island personality or counterpart, especially given the speech she gave Desmond way back when at the Jewlery shop?
Totallylost….some very good points!! First about Ceaser talking to Locke about what happened in the plane, light.., that´s what i was always talking about, i mentioned that sometimes if anybody recognized that young Rousseau never saw or hear anything when Jin disapeared…and now this guy see and hears everything but don´t disappear…either it´s nonsense from the producers or Ceaser and the new losties ARE for a reason on the island, maybe they are the people (or some of them) which will take part of the “war”??
I seemed for me too that at least Abbadon was meaning to Locke to bring everybody back to the island!!??
Last point…we know Lapidus is a good pilot and we saw it how he brought down the airplane, in one piece! On this second island is a landing strip too…ok it´s maybe not ready built for huge airplanes and Lapidus doesn´t know about it but he could saw it when coming down…and why not the main island? Maybe that´s why Ilana was talking about “choices at the landing”? Yeah…they are looking pretty good organised at the beach, like some of them know how to survive on an island!?!?
C.P.L. Now I rememmber an old post of yours where you did talk about Rousseau not seeing the light. The only thing I came up with after I wrote the post is that Ceasar was previously on the island (just like Miles, Charlotte and Daniel), which is why he was able to see the light. He did seem mighty comfortable at the Dharma station, and did not seem all that surprised by the fact that they are on a deserted island that has an empty station with rooms, books, papers, lights, a gun, etc . . . Maybe he was hired by Widmore and if it is true that Widmore had been watching everyone, he would know of them leaving on the flight to Guam, and he could have put Ceasar there.
Ilana is another story, as she did not say she saw the lights, but I beleive she knows who Ceasar is.
Where is Sayid?
Hey folks. I saw this on another post by some word wiz. He pointed out that at the hotel John stayed at, the only letters lit up were “WEST RFIL HOTL” Well, this wiz translated it to “First tell how.” Well, that is exactly what John did. Before he was murdered he told Ben how to get back to the island by referring him to Eloise Hawking. Very interesting.
Again, this did not come from me because I am and will likely continue to be totallylost!!!
Bex, i totally agree. watching the bit where locke gets strangled was quite hursh… ! even Ben was shocked, the expression on his face when he was killing him and then when he said that he would honestly miss him… maybe Ben knew that this was the only way for Locke to get everyone to the island and maybe he even knew that locke would live again when he came back !
that makes sense now that Jack’s dad came to life in the island, same thing that happened to locke. maybe he is no illusion like i had thought all along and maybe he is real, just as locke after the 2nd plane crashed..
Thought this episode was really good
Maybe the woman under the hood is Claire???? Though I doubt it but hey….
I haven’t read through all the comments so i’m sorry if any of this has already been said.
I think Ben tried getting everyone together to get back to the island. I think Widmore and Ben were both trying to hijack John as they knew he would be able to get them back to the island. Neither Widmore orBen seemed to knwo that Eloise Hawking is the person who can tell them how to go back. It seems that when Jacob sends someone away it is permanently except in the case of Locke. I think Jacob sending someone away is completely different to the others island hopping nin their submarine, i doubt Jacob is involved in those little decisions.
I think the above is why Ben killed Locke, he spoke to him long enough to get the info he needed about Eloise Hawking, Jin and the journey back then killed him. I think Ben must have known that if Jacob wants someone back they will be resurrected ( although i think this is ridiculously stupid). So Ben needs Locke dead to take command of the O6 and get on the plane to go back to the island. I guess its possible he wasn’t sure Locke would be ressurrected and thought he might become the leader again by default???
Caesar and Ilana are interesting but by now i’m so sick of these random ‘new’ mysterious characters that rarely contribute and never give any answers that i’m not too bothered. Where did sayid go? Were he and Ilana not handcuffed together? I think Ilana and Caesar are going to be the scouts for Widmores onslaught.
From last nights episode i thought widmore was a good guy but if he was why is his own daughter in hiding from him?? Nobody would know him better than she so if he isn’t to be feared why make yourself disappear from your father?
Ben is so full of bs its ridiculous. As someone else pointed out he said on the plane his mother taught him to read, which she didn’t as she died during childbirth. HE says he’s protecting the o6, he’s jacobs messenger but doesn’t know about eloise hawking. Even she laughs that he’s probably lying when Jack asked. She didn’t seem to hold ben in very high regard. I pity the actor because if i saw his face i couldn’t not slap him regardless of him being a different person, i’m sure he gets that often enough.
Although Walt isn’t one of the o6, abbaddon did seem to think he was supposed to come back. I’m sorry to see abbaddon die, he’s been such a big mystery for so long i thought he would bring a new dimension to the show or at least a few answers. I was interested to know what the favour was that Locke owed him. When he was an orderly he said locke would owe him one after the walkabout. It didn’t seem like a random comment but maybe it was.
Also and sorry for the long post but didn’t Ben tell the woman at the butchers shop that she and the others needed to be ready to move? Are they also on the plane?
…it is very possible for Jacob to be her…. and it is not so possible but we will see….interesting.
The Walt situation YES very lame. The writers set the charactor up for an out in such a pathetic way especially since they built him up to be some mystic…I mean come on! Even in this scene with Locke they did the same thing. But who knows…maybe he will be back… We already know that by Walt going to talk to Hurley this helps Hurley to make a decision to go back those Hurley telling Jack the same thing etc…etc…according to the time line. Also…Walt still may play a roll later on?? Maybe he helps to bring Aaron back and Jiyeon… though I doubt all this…but there is room left for this to be a possibility.
No doubt Ceasar and Ilana have been there before…but as far as time….I strongly feel they are on the island still back intime…possibly when the Dharma I. was up and running…
I just had another thought….maybe the person under the hood is Sun….
Lolo….I agree with everything you had to say and you said exactly how I wanted to say it so thank you because in all honesty I couldn’t have said it better….
One more thing for the Abbaddon fan’s for those that may not know…that actor is on another show which is also on another network the show is called The Fringe(though J.J. Abrams is also a co-creator of that show, so with this it is probably much easier for him to get back to Lost and his contract maybe set up for him to have guest appearences on Lost)…. eitherway….I feel that is why they worked him out of the storyline…However, with the J.J. connection he could still be brought back.
I was watching again the end of season 4,There’s no place like home , when Jack meets Ben in the wake of Locke, he tells him that Locke told him that really bad things happened on the island after he left, and that was because he left, so he needs to go back. Ben asked him if Locke told him that he(Ben) was off the island and he says yes.
In last episode, where they show the meeting of Jack and Locke, Locke doesnt say any of these, and it seems like their only meeting. Any guess?
Also, when Walt visited Hurley, he mentioned that Jeremy Bentham went to see him. Locke never said this name to Walt when they met. Is it Walt’s special powers that allowed him to know that? I think we’ll be seeing much more of Walt.
Locke’s destiny seems clear: a miserable and pitty life off the island and a proud and leading one on the island.
Thanks so much Jason for the kind words!
YOu guys are on the ball that’s why I love this sight.
Here’s another thought there is a scene where Ben and Eloise are talking about making sure the 6 are back together and they have 70 hours to make this happen. So one would assume that there was a meeting of Ben and Eloise between Ben killing Locke and showing up at the church with Jack and Sun.
I wonder if Ben has told Eloise who he is or did he say Widmore had sent him. Widmore knows her and knows where she is also he helped fund Faraday’s research why wouldn’t he warn her about Ben? Unless he needs them to go back to the island….
Also it’s my belief that Sun went with Lapidus, Hurley, Kate, and jack are together and Sayid is in another time warp somewhere.
Hey guys,
great episode (they seem to be coming thick and fast these days!), but all this chatter about stuff being left out is making me worried. Jonathan, you’re completely right – Jack said that “Jeremy Bentham” told him that terrible things happened on the island once the Oceanic Six left and they had to return… well, Locke did nothing of the sort, he just pleaded with Jack to come back with him, he never said why.
And as Moohaha correctly pointed out, Locke never told Hurley he was called “Jeremy Bentham” when he briefly visited him (AND I don’t think he told Sayid either – but Jack would know because he would have seen his chart at the hospital)… all this adds up to some major writing errors and it’s starting to make me concerned. You can’t have a show that jumps about through time and have slip-ups like this, ESPECIALLY in an episode called “The Life and Death Of Jeremy Bentham”, it pokes holes in the show’s logic and the audience’s suspension of disbelief. All it would take is an extra minute or two of script adjustments. And when you consider how precise Ben Linus is with his use of language “He didn’t come to me Jack, I came to HIM” it just seems even sloppier.
The whole “Jeremy Bentham” thing was really just a way of keeping John Locke’s identity a secret when he was in the coffin at the end of Season 4, but if you’re going to do it like that, make sure you tie up the loose ends afterwards, otherwise the whole thing looks like a cynical ploy.
Grr.
Some people are saying that the plane crashed at the time of the time of the Dhama. But wouldn’t their be some Dhama workers at the Hydra station? or whatever station it is that they are at. I think next week we will find out what time period they are in so don’t need to speculate for too long at least.
In the grand scheme of the show I’m not concerned about who didn’t tell who their real or fake identity. Don’t think it matters that Locke didn’t say his name was Jeremy Bentham to Walt.
I think Eloise is an important character but I don’t see her as having an allegiance to Ben or Whidmore…just the island. She clearly doesn’t trust Ben but knows he can get shit done. Before Locke told Ben about Eloise I think Ben knew who she was….maybe not her role in everything but he def connected some dots in his head and decided Locke could not meet with her and must be killed. For whatever reason.
Locke is important for “the war” I think he is at this point a free agent and each side is trying to get him to play with them. The new losties to seem very familiar with the island. Ceasar was walking around like he has def been there before. They had fires and boats built by the morning….and Ceasar was in the station like he owned the places. I def dont like the fact I’m going to have to get to know new characters….
we’ll see.
thats what I wanted to say….who knows what time period they are in??? we really dont….i think they are all in the same time period….i dont think its dharma for that same reason wolowitz said….wouldnt they be at the swan station???
Scoppie…I agree with about the Locke-Bentham issue and the reasons why the writters did this….however…with Locke coming in and widmore giving him that name…makes a reference to the original J.B. who had an interesting real life importance and his body (though dead) can still be viewed today….So again…coupling J.L. with J.B. because a very fascinating and clever writting by the writer’s.
But getting back to him being given that name it also allows Locke to get around with being discovered as a Oceanic survivor that somehow survived…If he was discovered how would he explain that? and how would it be explained for a double death John Locke oceanic death…and J.L. death from somehow surving the flight but not telling anyone and yet here he is hung?
Locke telling Jack….. Jack you need to go back. The people left back on the island need our help….. or …… someone is trying to kill me….. or ….Jack we have to go back you are suppose to help me…. or…. Jack your father told me to tell you “hi”….
isn’t convincing enough for Jack to know that bac things are happening? Ok…Sure he did exactly say….Jack bad things are happening verbatim but…. I’m just saying…
Besides wasn’t Jack on drugs when he was talking….isnt Jack an Obsessive character? Couldn’t it be possible that even Jack become dillusional and full of guilt I mean from my perspective they built that up pretty high…. And they have built up Jack’s denial of the power of the island for what 4 seasons going on 5 now? Couple these two together to Jack at the viewing of dead Locke and his dialog with Ben…Is it Reeeeaaallly that far off?? I’m just saying????
Heck…They still haven’t explained the Hurley Bird! Or chest being gone off characters when on them earlier(like that one really matters), or even the significance the watch and why it was reeeeaaaallllyyy that important(though is looked like to me Widmore had it on in the last episode)….
Adam…what is the wolowits thing….Am I missing something here??
the guy who posted before me….i was agreeing with something he referenced.
hahahha
Wolowitz- With regard to the Hydra, you may recall in season 2 (I think) that Julietee said that they only work there sometimes, and of course they left after Kate and Sawyer escaped. So, it is possible they landed there at a time when Dharma were on the main island.
For those of you who do IPOD there is a new podcast with Matthew Fox that posted and it’s pretty good.
some thoughts to try to understand and make sense of it all :
- the time on the island is proved to be in the past comparing to the real world, considering Wildmore conversation with Locke .
- when Locke first arrived on the island he was cured because he went to a time where he had not hurt himself in real world(like Rose), and when he went off the island there was a course correction of fate and he got back to a wheelchair, because in that time he was already hurt.
– when he returns dead to the island ,he lives again cause in that time in the past he had not died yet.
Also, those documents Ceaser was looking at had already been showned, when Faraday was checking them. One is a page of his diary( 04×05 the constant) and the other a map he used in 04×06 the other woman.
The runway where they landed the plane in hydra station is the same where Kate and Sawyer were forced to work in season 3. Did the others know it was gonna happen?
Locke and those who arrived on the plane are definitely not in the same time that Jack, Kate and Hurley. To see…
Finally, i do think that ” who said what to whom” can be quite important indeed. If they dont show another meeting of Locke and Jack, with Locke telling Jack the things Jack told Ben in the end os season 4, it will be a shame.
Totallylost, do you mean that the others only used the station part time or dhama? cuz surely dhama would have used it full time. Monitoring sharks, polar bears etc… wheres the others may have only used when they needed to, like you said keeping kate/sawyer.
p.s. weren’t the others brain washing karl in room 13 at the hydra, but he probably wasn’t there every day for that video!! That’s more of a weekend activity, or at least what I like to do on a weekend.
Hey Wolowitz. From what I remember the Hydra was used regularly by Dharma for experiments, and even had a regular ferry to the main island. After the purge the others used it for special purposes and to zap poor Carl. After Kate and Sawyer escaped the station was abandoned and the others went back to the Barracks. So, assuming that the Aljira air losties are in the “present” there would not be anyone at that station. Now, if they are in the past, that is a different story.
Hey, that raises another question for me. In season 4 when Ben was still in the Barracks with Locke, he sent the others to the “temple” (and later Karl, Danielle and Alex)which Ben called the only safe place left on the island. I wonder why he did not send them to the Hydra? Maybe the temple was secure beause Smokie guards it. But it is also unlikley that Keammy and his boys knew about the Hydra so why not hide there? They had canoes after all as well as Desmond’s boat. Just a fleeting thought.
Jonathan- Well said on your post above about time issues with Locke and his healing. Also, it didn’t look like that Aljira plane landed on a runway to me, although it appeared to be intact. Am i missing something?
what does the runway have to do with anything??? it means nothing.
i disagree with people being in different times….although i will need to see this weeks episode to get a better idea. i think they are on different islands but at the same point in time
Adam, in your opinion, why were they building that runway for in season 3? For nothing? When Sawyer asked Juliet, he joked saying it was for aliens. What´s your guess?
About them being in different times, you are right, just wait and you’ll see.
Totallylost, yes, the plane landed on that runway.
We can see the plane and the runway when Ceaser and Ilana are going to the beach to talk to Locke, on their way back from hydra station.
Hmmmmm….Looked to me like the plane was straddling some trees and sand…but I will watch again…
Why is it not possible for them to be on the island between when Ben gased everyong(so we think) and when the Losties crashed….
Also if it in the future….how far??? are people thinking (if I get this correct the time has caught-up with the 06ers???)
Also if so could it be that within that time Widmore had some how got people planet back on the island if that 3 year period???
This is jus getting too difficult to explain
I know there have been many posts about inconsistencies between what we saw John say in this episode, and what Kate and Jack say that John told them. Well, how about this explanation (please feel free to shoot me full of holes if I am totallylost!!). What if after Locke died he appeared a further time to both Kate and Jack as a ghost, where he was more convincing than his lame pitch when alive. Bear with me (and I’ll get to Hurley and Sayid in a minute).
We know that Jack saw Christian at work, which prompted him to ask his partner for a prescription of Clonazepan (I think that was the name), which was the same medicine Hurley was taking at Santa Rosa (when he was friends with invisible Dave). This medicine is for anxiety that is caused by things you see. So John talks to Jack at the hospital, Jack tells him to get lost, and John dies soon thereafter (because he still had fresh car accident scars.) Well, if dead Christian can visit Jack, why not dead John?? Likewise, if seemingly dead Claire can visit Kate, why not John? So John visits both Kate and Jack and tells them more of what happened on the island.
This can account for why Jack was so convinced that “we have to gggggooooo bbbbbbaaacccckkkk.” I know that Ben asked Jack in the hotel room in “Because You Left” if John told him what happened on the island and Jack said no, but Jack could have been lying. It could also be that when John approached Jack as a ghost he told Jack that he would be alive again on the island, so Jack might have figured that daddy would be too, so he needed to go back. It also goes along way of explaining why Kate, who was like “hell no I am not going back” at the marina, suddenly got rid of Aaron and was gun-ho to return.
Now Hurley and Sayid. Hurley has seen Dave, Jacob (at the cabin), Charlie and Anna Lucia for sure. He’s a regular ghost buster. When Sayid came to get him at Santa Rosa in “There is No Place Like Home part 3” Hurley was playing chess with Mr. Echo (remember, “checkmate Mr. Echo”). Sayid said that Benthem died 2 days ago and they said it was suicide. Hurley said, and this is very telling: “Dude, I’ve been having regular conversations with dead people . . .” Who knows with whom and how many, but enough said on Hurley.
Now, why was Sayid there? We know that he was in the Dominican Republic, so something drastic had to have happened in a seemingly short period of time to get him to come back and head straight for Hurley (not Kate or Jack, mind you) and have the need to get him to a safe house. Maybe John told Sayid that Ben killed him and was out to get Hurley, but Hurley would not listen to him because Hurley is crazy? After all, Sayid did see a water logged Walt in season 2 just before Anna Lucia killed Shannon, so he can see a ghost. He also told Hurley not to trust Ben and do the opposite of whatever he tells him.
Well, BS?? Maybe, but it could explain some of this apparent inconsitencies. I guess I don’t want to think that our careful and brilliant lost writers could make a big mistake like this.
OK….It did look like the or (a) landing strip…Excellent Observation. you all! Don’t know the significance…..
Thats all im saying….what is the significance of it??? nothing in my opinion…..dont think it matters that the plane is on a runway or in the trees. it just doesnt matter. there are a lot of things that have happened we never have had answered or clarified from previous seasons.
things that matter
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why did kate leave aaron
whats the smoke monster
why does richard not age
who is the guy who does the math eloise hawking is talking about
things that dont matter -
if the plane is on a runway or not.
as far as being in different times i just dont think there is enough to be 100% accurate about it. i think jack, kate etc are at the same point in time as locke, ceasar etc.
but your right…we will see. its all guess’s at this point.
What we actually know about The Dharma Project?
I really have great expectations to finally know something about who or what The Dharma Project was and what happened with. I think is clear that the island time is stabilize in the “Dharma domination time”. (Jin and Faraday are there) and, in fact, this season starts in a Dharma time. (maybe as a clue for the rest of season), showing his scientist chief (I don’t remember the name right now) taking care from a non-Asiatic baby (Charlotte, I guess) and colliding with Daniels Faraday. And after, the season never come back to this time. The flash leaps goes and back before and after..
We actually knows anything about Dharma project? I remember the childhood Ben’s episode that explains The Dharma organization purge.. (I would like review but I don’t remember which episode was, please could you help me?). I am really obsess with.. What more do you remember about Dharma initiative?
Now, it is near-clear that Widmore and Ben are both from the others (and that right now it appears just a leadership war… but then, who is Richard? The eternal second one? It doesn’t seem..)
It seems (some clues have giving in this season) that Dharma Project was a US army secret project. (I would love a typical cold war plot with Mr. Hoover mixed in )
Mctama, this video will answers some of your questions about dharma. The important part is where Alvar Hanso appears. Its from Lost Experience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub0TX-QOuHs&feature=related
hey guys,
I wonder if it is possible that the main island and the second island are in a different time period? When the island disappears in the final of season 4 it was only the main island, or at least they showed only the main island! whatever…
About the island people and the time……i think the 06 are like the losties on the island in the same time. Because everybody is fine again, the nosebleeds are gone and that was the case. Now after a long time all of the losties are togehter again! In which time they are all..we´ll see. I have no clue because when i saw the trailer for next week episode, Sawyer…were in a group wiht Ben…, Ben is wright now on the second island and nobody knows in which time. But how it looks…the same!
I think the people on both islands are in the SAME Time period, that would make the most sense and any other way would be too complicated!!!!
…however, we´ll see…
LOST REVIEW ALERT ALERT………HOOOOLLLLYYYY CRRRRRAAAPPPP!!!!!!! EVERYONE YOU WON’T BELIEVE THIS!!!!!!! PLEASE WATCH IT IF YOU ARE ABLE TO OR OWN THE DVD!!!!
I was watching the season finally of Season 1….last night. I started over about 3-4 weeks ago… at anyrate if you all remember the scene when Locke is being pulled be the Smokie and Jack and Kate try to save him. Well, Jack is holding on to him while Smokie is trying to pull him down the abyssal hole and Locke is telling Jack to let him go it’s alright…. What happens next Jack yells at Kate to get the dynamite… Kate runs and gets it etc etc…you all remember this scene right????? HOLLLLLYYY CRRRRAAAPPP! Well here goes….right before Kate throws is Locke says….”Don’t you’ll blow up the temple”.
Now the word “Temple” goes so fast….please if anyone else has the ability to watch this please watch it and let me know I am not crazy here and this is what I’m hearing instead of wanting to hear. I put it on the subtitles of course “temple” did not appear…. But this isn’t the first time captions have not matched what has been said…
Now if he did say this…of course….this may not be of any reaaaaall significance…but then again…there is a possibility it could……….
Mctama, here goes the purge and something else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSwNGC30IqI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoI9OxYPuyA&NR=1
jason….damn..think you are right!!! just watched the scene again and i heard too something like “don´t you blow up the temple”..!! But however, why did Locke never go to the temple at least on his own to see what he was obviously knowing, or just find out the truth????
Man I have know idea…..lol.
thanks jonathan!
Totallylost,
your last theory does seem like a bit of a stretch, but it is interesting nonetheless, and well researched. Hats off to you.
good one there! maybe writters do know what they are writting about and not coming up with it after every season. tks for that !
one more thing: I really thought it was stupid of the writers to kill ana lucia, she was a very interesting character (well, when the show was still interesting…). I really REALLY hope that they will make her come back somehow.
Jason,
Im def. gonna go home and take a look at that scene today, but if that is what he said, then why, like CPL mentioned, had he never gone back to that cerebrus vent and try to get in? Its interesting because they may be able to work in what they are doing now on the show, with the fact that Locke had previously known about the temple, I dont know, its weird.
VERY GOOD PICK UP though!!!!!
Thanks Moohaha!!!
Jason–Wow– I think you are right. And, you are probably not any crazier than the other posters on this sight!!!!
jonathan,
is it reliable? Do you know which is the film’s source? it comes from lost producers or it is just a fan’s joke?
anyway, it is very interesting! thanks a lot.
JASON
If the word temple has disappear on the official DVD subtitles (and the word was really there)
The conclusion would be
that it was a writers’ (significant) mistake.
Mctama,” The Lost Experience was an alternate reality game that was part of the American television drama Lost. The game was developed by ABC in the United States, Channel 4 in the UK, and Channel 7 in Australia. It was written by Jordan Rosenberg[1] and created by the agency Hi Res. The experience played out during Lost’s second season in the United Kingdom and during the summer break in the United States until the launch of season 3.[2] The Lost Experience, which was announced by the United Kingdom’s Channel 4, Australia’s Seven Network and the United States’ ABC on April 24, 2006[3] and began in May 2006, used websites, voice mail, television and newspaper ads and a novel to give players clues to the game. The Lost Experience ended on September 24, 2006.[4] Damon Lindelof has verified the canonical status of The Lost Experience and the information provided therein.[5]
ABC Entertainment’s senior vice president of marketing, Mike Benson, described the game as a hybrid between content and marketing. This type of marketing was previously used by ABC for Lost’s premiere in 2004. ABC created a website for the fictional Oceanic Airlines, the airline of the plane that crashed in the show’s pilot episode” – taken from wikipedia.[6]
at the end of hanso’s speech he says Namaste…which is the title of an upcoming episode….
dont know if it means anything
Namaste is Hindu for “I bow to you”
jonathan,
I have rambling all around this sites and films, it’s amazing! sorry but I just watched the episodes. I am too old for those new marketing ways.
and yes, NAMANTE!
I was not in mistake, writers will begin to show pieces from the Dharma Initiative time soon.
Dr Chang says it at the end of his Dhama videos and I think when Ben (Or Juliet, i’m not 100%) arrived on the island there was a big Dhama sign saying ‘Namaste’.
Any theories on who this weeks episode is about?
Sawyer possibly?
I was watching again ”because you left” – season 5, ep. 01 – and in the begining, when dr. Chang is filming his orientation film, the cameraman looks like Sawyer!!!
They show quickly the cameraman many times, what is suspicious, but we cant be sure , but that could be possible, maybe when Sawyer went back to Dharma iniciative time, like Jin.
To see…
The girl with the Hood over her head obviously has to be Sawyers baby mama! It just makes sense. And again it’s unpredictable. I guarantee i’m right. watch!
Jared is making GUARANTEES over here!
Thats a bold statement considering she would have no significant reason to be there, but its interesting nonetheless. I gotta give you points for creativity, but I dont think its her, but we will see in a few days.
jared- i thought maybe his kid but wasnt sure how it fit….i feel the same if it was the babies mama. he does look shocked when he sees. we’ll see.
the episode has to do with a lie sawyer tells or perpetuates to save everyone. it was on wikipedia. said something to that effect…
One other thing I would like to share….
What pisses me off is that Kate “married” some cop under a fake name in Florida, and now that she is back, has this guy even tried to find her, considering she has been all over the news and such.
I doubt it is that important of a storyline to re-incorporate, but I just thought it was lame that she left this guy so abruptly, and he hasnt shown up at her door looking for an answer. Especially after Im sure he found the pregnancy test she had taken (regardless if it was negative or not) and left in the trash.
I dont know, maybe Im thinking about this shit too much anymore and l even look to in-depthly into the small stuff.
Oh, one more thing….
I also read who is in next episode, my old boy Horace Goodspeed is gonna be back. So this indicates that the Island Survivors ended up in a time period that was at least 12 years or more in the past.
This may have been covered but I hadn’t seen it.
Widmore told Locke that he was the leader of the others for 3 decades before he was tricked off the island. But in the episode when Locke met Widmore it seemed he answered to Richard Albert.
he also said he ruled peacefully but wasn’t he the one who killed the other giving information to Sawyer, and Locke?
Richard, if Widmore leaded the island for 30 years , as he told Locke, shouldnt Penny been born on the island?
The war he was talking about could be the purge?
I think namaste is how dharma greeted each other.
What if on island after the last flash 3 years or a significant amount of time has passed to the present day? Ie the last flash landed the losties in dharma time and now a large enough amount of time has passed for them to become integrated into dharma.
In the clips for la fleur it looks like the hostiles are killing two people(possibly dharma) who are having a picnic? Sawyer seems to recognise the woman who has the hood over her head. Could she be his mother?
Jonathan very smart about the war and the purge!!!
The purge seemed to be the end of a few altercations between dharma and the others, and was one incident where dharma were unable to fight back. I’m not sure if this counts as a war but its possible, maybe widmore wants the outcome changed so ben never becomes the leader?
I refered the purge because i suspect that Sawyer , Faraday, Juliet, Miles, Jin, Kate, Hurley and Jack went back to dharma days, and the time stoped there and wont move again, as Locke turned the wheel.
I might be wrong, its just a guess.
I think you’re right about dharma days, in my mind the purge was an extermination, not a war but you could be really on to something.
I’m not sure that Locke and the new flight survivors have gone back in time also? If they had surely the hydra station would have been in use. Widmore did say Locke was needed on the island as the war was coming but i suppose he may or may not have known what time locke was going to land in?
I’ve said it before but I think everyone is on the island at the same time period. It is probably back in time but I think they are all at the same point back in time.
Adam that makes sense and would be what i buy except for the hydra station is currently abandoned. They only left it after Bens surgery so if they have returned to dharma times then the station should be occupied
I’m wondering if the woman who ran off with Lapidus was Sun and why she, Sayid, Locke and Ben weren’t taken off the plane and plonked by the river like everyone else? Could the island/Jacob have wanted Ji Yeon and not her? She was pregnant with Ji Yeon when she left, amybe she was needed to return also?
Lolo,this is a deleted scene of season 3, where they show the office that Ceaser was in on hydra station.
It was used by Ben.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER_oRayvuYI
Maybe, just maybe, Ben and Locke couldnt come back straight to the island because they turned the wheel. Ben once said that the one who turns it cant come back, well i think he said it. So they went back to that other island. Just stretching a bit too much, i know.
Quite sure the woman who left with Lapidus is Sun.
I agree with you Lolo, it wouldn’t make sense if the islands were in the same time. I’m thinking that the war will be between the new losties vs the orignal losties.
LoLo hey there, I do have to believe the one that left with Lapidus would be Sun. I don’t fall into the theory that the two islands are in different times. I can’t see that making sense.
I could see the ones on the current time going back however to stop something from happening and the ones that are in the past trying to stop them. remember there is a way to go between Ben has said the “Box” you can have what you desire and the time portal worked before Ben blew a hole in it.
BTW The one in the sack, my bet is on Penny but I’ve been wrong before ie: abaddon.
Richard – I wondered if it could be Penny in the sack (could be her hair!), but I think Sawyer knows the person and he hasn’t met Penny……….. has he?
Sorry guys i didn’t mean i thought the islands were in different times but the people are. It was only ever the losties who were moving through time, the others never did. I think when the flash happened Jacob grabbed Jack, Kate and Hurley off the plane and maybe Sayid back to the time where the rest of the losties are. I don’t know why he would have left Ben, Sun and Locke. Maybe it was the life of ji yeon that would have been within sun when she left but isn’t now? I guess he didn’t want Ben back, when we see last saw Christian Shepard he didn’t seem to like Ben very much. Locke was dead until after the plane crashed so maybe Jacob didn’t recognise his life as one to grab from that??? So i guess that the new plane group are in the present say.
Widmore told Locke to get back to the island because there was a war coming so the war should be in Lockes time, ie present day? I really like the idea of it being the purge
Could the girl in the sack be this amy we’ve heard is joining the cast? Sawyer definitely seems to recognise her, but i can’t think who he might know on dharma who is a bit older except his mother.
I think this is all about having faith. every time someone loses their faith, something bad happens to them. I also think that the fued between Widmore and linus has to do with a woman. I believe that Widmore, Linus and Ms Hawking are all trying to keep the island safe. they all want the same thing. I think that Jacob got mad at Ben and wanted him off the island because he is doing things his own way to make them happen and not having faith to let them happen naturally.
also some interesting simularities between lost and the Bible, Jacob had 12 kids the last son born to him was named Benjamin, 2 episodes ago the title was 316. John 3:16 states , for God so loved the world he gave his only begotton son, and those who believe in him shall not perish but have everylasting life. Aaron had a half brother named Moses Remember that story? Moses was going to be killed so his mother put him in a basket and sailed him down the river only to be raised by another mother, one of great wealth. and not to mention all the angels that helped these people succeed in their journeys. I think that Richard and the other others are sort of like protectors, like angels. guiding people to where they need to be, lke Abbanon told Locke that he helps people get where they need to go. these are just a few. if you look closer there are many more stories.
biglostfan – the title of this episode was not chosen by hazard
I dnt believe its all bout faith but i do believe u r on the rite track with certain people helping others get to where they need to go…after seeing “LaFluer” i hv so mny thoughts…i believe lock is now just as important as jacob, as they both arrived to the island dead n r now very much alive…the statue that we seen fully constraucted for the first time has got me thinkn. It showed a pairs of ankhs hangn by its side which is the same symbol that was hangn round Pauls neck (the DI guy that got shot)…It just happens to also be the Egyptian symbol for life…The name Horace also ties in, change the spelling to Horus n u hv the Egyptian Sun God…The statue could be a couple of things but i believe its RA the hawk-headed major sun god that spent so much time in other forms that he let others rule his place…Did u notice the name RA which just happens to be the initials of Richard Alperts…
Im very curious as to whom the baby that has survived turns out to be, was this the first birth on the island?? Maybe things with pregnancy n birth happens a little later done the track as Juliet wasnt brought to the island until years later to help with this problem…
Also i was wondering why did Ben convince Locke not to kill himself n then did it anyway it made no sense to me, but now does. Jesus had to die to be resurrected, but suicide is a mortal sin…Also Ben was never too sure how to get bk but once Locke mentions the name Eloise Hawking, Ben does wat he thinks he has to do…
I am loving Lost at the moment so mny twists n turns i can barely keep up…lol
‘lost’ is the most amazing film i could have ever seen in my life.