Because its Valentines Day and I love you, here are 2 sneak peeks into Lost episode 5.06 entitled 316. As pointed out in the comments, the title 316 may refer to John 3:16 in the Bible. If so, you can expect this episode to be about Jeremy Bentham aka John Locke and the sacrifice
In this clip, Jack visits a visibly upset Kate who apparently has just lost Aaron. She promises to go back to the island with Jack as long as he never asks what happened to Aaron again.
In this clip, we are back at the church, which happens to in fact be an off island Dharma station. Quite possibly the first Dharma station. This one is called the Lamp Post and is used to find the island. If Widmore is so well connected to Elloise Hawking, how come he doesn’t know about this place?
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I knew it! I knew that place was a Dharma station. Except I thought it was gonna be called the lighthouse. Very interesting how the Pendelum looks to be connected to some elevated point. It would have to be based on the earths magnetism in order to find the island.
Wow. Lot’s of stuff in there. What in the world happened to Aaron?? I cannot even begin to guess. Poor Kate. I wonder what made Jack go find her.
And, Ms. Hawking at an off island Dharma station. Well, at least we know how Dharma got there in the first place.
By the way, we love you too Scott!!!!
hey guys,
Interesting Trailers!! But i don´t think it may refer John 3:16 in the bible!?!?
I don´t know but i think more about it could be “maybe” like i mentioned it before once i a previous comment that it´s the new bearing to the island! ..only thoughts..
I agree and hope so that this episode will be about Locke (yeah)!!
Hi folks. My understanding is that Episode 5.07 is called “The Life and Death of Jeremy Benthem”, which is where we are to get our explanation of what happened to Locke off the island. Walt will be in it (we already know Locke saw him because of the conversation Walt had with Hurley),and Abbadon is suppose to be in it.
As for this weeks episode (5.06), I understand that it is centered on going back to the island. Frank Lapidus is supposed to be back, the folks we met in the butcher shop are back, and I read that Jack’s grandfather is supposed to be introduced. We shall see. I can’t wait!!!!
Now that we know there are off-island Dharma stations, I wonder if the place that Rose and Bernard visited in Australia will be another one. I recall the “healer” saying it had magnetic qualitles (or something like that). Maybe there are several, and they are the key to sending the Losties back to the island.
good point about the Australian healer’s place being an off island Dhamra site. But do you think it was an important enough place to come back in future episodes.
Its interesting that we now learn there are off island Dhamra stations. Looking back on past episodes, we can maybe make this case about several locations we have seen before. I.E. Mittelos Bioscience in Oregan?
Moohaha
Very good point about the “Mittelos Bioscience”, it really could be a dharma station, maybe that one where they could left the mainland and submerge with the submarine they once had to the island (we saw that in the Juliet-Episode in season 3 when she was at “Mittelos Bioscience” for her “new job”)!!
TO Our bible expert. What about Jeremy name?
Great thoughts. Looking for outside the island dharma places. We have 2: Mittelos bioscience (in Canada?) and the australian vilage. I guess there is another in Korea..
and what about the exit doors? The desert where Ben, and polar bears, appears.
Good for Jack. A very good way to convince Kate. He will feel better.. (I just expect that he was not following the Ben instructions. To meet Kate, Jack can’t travel with the rest..)
I think Aaron is with Jame’s (Sawyer) baby moma.
Can’t wait to see! how they gonna get to the island…btw i think may be Daniel is not aging just like Richard…just a funny thought.
is anybody here think eloise hawking is ellie on episode jughead? they kinda have the same hair style.
just got a theory witht whole island can heal you and not aging thing.
we all know the island has healing properties with locke,rose etc. and we have seen that it seems richard alpert doesn’t age. I believe this could explain the whole thing with people being unable to have children. If the island stops you from againg would that not also stop a baby from aging or something like that which would stop the baby surviving. Also i believe the island can bring back the dead eg C.shepard, Locke(after he was shot by ben)
this is why locke is going to be taken back to the island so he can be brought back to life.
point out any mistakes iv made or if i could be wrong please:)
I think Kate took Aaron to Claire’s mother for her to raise and she told her to keep her mouth quiet. I don’t believe there was enough time to go to Sawyer’s ex and drop off a child without notice. It would have to be someone she could readily approach and explain and move on.
I think we may see an explanation that people that sacrifice their life for the island be immortalized. It wouldn’t surprise me to find our Richard Albert did the same thing and now he can’t lead but he will never grow old. Why else can the man that can’t get older lead the troops.
Richard7769- I take back my theory and stand by yours…excellent!
connor
very good thought about your theory why the people not aging and that would explain why children can´t survive on the island!! There is for sure a connecting BUT when i think about Rousseau, she´s aging like her baby what she got on the island -Alex-!!
richard7769
I agree about what Kate did with Aaron – bring to her real grandmom -Claire´s mother! Could Be!?
About Richard Alpert who is not aging because maybe he was once like Locke…etc…Sacrificed himself to live a life only on the island where he can not age anymore – IMMORTALITY – !!
I think Rousseau resisted the island, she said the others had changed, changed how? My belief is that they sacraficed themselves for the island but the island choses what (whom) it wants, just like when the plane first crashed the others had a list of people they wanted and were told to get, not everyone was on that list.
Children were the first then other people came after that. rousseau was spared because of her child then Ben got the child and couldn’t get the mother, maybe he thought the island would kill her, or she would just die, which she did and so did her daughter.
Conner is exactly right (my belief) on Richard Albert, one question, Christian Sheppard gave Jack a watch that belonged to his father before he got married does anyone think that might have anything to do with this? I can’t remember what his grandfather’s name was but to me it would make sense being that we went back to the early 50′s in a flashback maybe Jack’s grandfather was part of the first group.
Two more days….. BRING IT ON!!!!!!!
Hey folks,
Like Richard7769 mentioned above, does anyone know who is C.Shephards Dad (Jack Grandfather)??
Maybe there is really something going on with his grandfather or at least with Father -Cristian-!! Maybe one of them were too once on the island!!
I really don´t know…..we´ll see, hopefully in the next episode!!
I thought in that clip that kate had come for jack not the other way around? Jack asked Kate what was she doing there? She’s very upset and running away from something so i think she lost aaron, i don’t think she gave him to someone. I think she wants to return to the island either because she thinks she can get aaron back or because she’s running away. Could it be possible that Ben did take him and said he was bringing Aaron to the island and she is going there for him? Or maybe Jacob/ Christian / Claire came back for him?
Its interesting that the others have control of off island stations also. Obviously after the purge they took over complete control of the island including the stations but how did they manage to get off island ones too? Interesting! Also the brooch on mrs hawkings cardigan is of a serpent, usually they are a serpent eating its own tail as a representaion of life but hers isn’t eating its tail
Something i just remembered about the wheel. When Ben was there it was locked from these wood boards and it was frozen too! Ben had to hit the wheel more times till he could move it! So, Why was it locked?? I mean the wheel is somekind of the “time direction” only for this island and now after Locke pushed it in the right way again, it is still moving, or is it now shipping like a clock in his right time back again?? So should that mean that is why it is now on his right way again?
The others on the island wasn´t moving through time (we saw richard alpert), WHY? Because they were at the temples where it is safe? Maybe that´s what Ben meant when he said the temples are the safest place at the moment on the island; when keamy´s army arrived??
At least about Lockes legs, when he turned the wheel – in the outside world his legs will be broken!! Because when Ben turned the wheel he hurt his right arm after he broke down the ladder down to the frozen cave!! When he was then in the desert his right arm was hurt again!! I just watched the scene again!!
dear belivers,
Jeremy or Jeremiah. 3.16 the warning from the enemy who comes from faraway lands. or maybe.. Jeremiah 31.6 Jeremiah is the new alliance’s prophet. A new beginning aftermath. The Christianity foundation.
jeremiah 1.1… And just begin to read.. he was born in a Benjamin’s land..
So Kate is dsitrouaght over losing Aaron and the first thing she wants to do is make out with Jack? Anyone else find that strange?
Have you seen Jack? With sawyer not available he’d be my second choice too
Amen to that Lolo!!!!
Totallylost…..too funny!!!
I found the whole Kate, Jack scene very strange too. I’m thinking that Claire reappeared to Kate, telling her again not to bring “Him” back. Kate gave Arron to ???? and now wants to go back to the island with Jack. Don’t make sense even to me yet haha.
The lamp post seems pretty cool, the only thing that really strikes me about this one is that Mrs. Hawkings seems all to eager all of a suddent to share all this information.
Aside from the episode titles I don’t feel as though the show has all that much to do with god or the bible. Maybe I’m just not seeing it. Maybe it will be revealed deeper in this season or next.
There is def a weird thing going on in that scene. During this episode Kate will have run away from the dock, lose or give up Aaron and decide to go back to the island. Seems like that’s a lot to happen in one episode so that scene I’m guessing takes place late in tomorrows episode.
Whats going on with Daniel? His character during this season is like the most important all of a sudden. We are getting pieces about him here and there and he has been to the island obviously before…..but he seems to be shocked at what Charlotte said to him about seeing him on the island.
I think he looks surprised at what Charlotte says because he realizes he tries to go back in time to tell her not to come back to the island to save her, and no matter what he does he knows he isnt able to course correct time.
I also think the scene where we saw Daniel in the construction of the Orchid station is when he does go back to tell Charlotte not to come back to the island.
I like the theory someone had about Claire going to find Claires mom and leaving the baby with her. That would make the most sense, since Claires mom is already in LA and Kate would know exactly where to find her.
But what exactly would have motivated her to do this and go back to the island? Is she feeling guilty about not knowing what happened to Sawyer or Claire? Or maybe Claire did come to her in another vision and tell her what to do with Aaron?
My thought is that Kate knows Claire doesn’t want Aaron to go back to the island and Ben want’s to take the child for whatever reason. She must feel Claire’s mom would be the only safe choice.
From the wheel did anyone else notice Ben went to the left to go through time and Locke went to the right. Interesting.
Thank you Scott. happy valentine’s day, we love you too
aww this episode looks much more promising. Interesting the Dharma station the lamp post with the latitude/longitude panel and the big needle over the map.
Kate thing – very bizarre. maybe she killed aaron to protect him? and that kiss was not because of lust, attraction or desire, i think it was more to forget what happened and focus the mind on something else.
I agree with Karen on the desire to forget but I don’t think she killed him but I feel that in her mind she let Claire down by not being able to keep him and once again in her life she has walked away from her responsibilities
ok killing him is a bit drastic now that i think about it. I guess she left him with someone who could keep him safe. I remember we saw a woman that was garding Aaron one time when kate came back from the court. maybe she left him with her. Because knowing kate and all the trusts issues she has, i cannot imagine whom she could have entrusted her son with…
i think they get back to the island but somehow ditch Ben.
What if claire visited kate again in a dream and kate decided she had to return to the island as its the only way to talk to claire?
Karen i saw your comment in a previous thread about the photos, thanks very much and you’re right, we girls do seem to be in the minority!
Jason brillliant ! it must have been a claire appearance to kate. This will maybe be the thread for the season’s finale, we will discover what really happened to Aaron
karen, good thought about it possibly tieing into the season finale.
I just hope they dont do nothing stupid like have “future” Aaron come back to Kate as a grown up or some shit like that. That would be lame
What if aaron turned into an angel when he was older and lifted jacob up into heaven on his wings? Kidding! Don’t worry Does anyone know what time it hits the web tonight? I usually watch it tomorrow after work but no work tomorrow so i want to watch it later!!!
Hi all, For those on facebook i made a group for us
http://www.facebook.com/groups/create.php?customize&gid=51946168061#/group.php?gid=51946168061
I spend so much time on here talking to you guys i thought it was time to put a few more faces to the logins! Scott if you’re on facebook i’ll put you as admin?
Moohaha – HAHAHAAA that’s hilarious !!
Lolo – are you in Europe too?? and GREAT idea about Facebook !!!
hey guys,
Good point about what could be Aarons part in the story..???
I think Aaron´s storyline has something to do with the island in fact that he´s related to somebody! We know C.Shephard is Claire´s dad, so he´s Aaron´s Grandfather and now in his strange afterlife on the island with Jacob….it´s the only logical way the story could go on about little important aaron!!
Nice lolo – good idea
I’ve joined the group as well.
I forgot to say something. I also think that the island stuck now in the time everything began on the island, i speak about the Dharma Initiative!! It seemed to me the island was going back in time after every flash, so they could stuck now in…1960 / 70´..!?!? It would be really cool and also a “real” way the writers could go on!
CPL – yes and no. at some point the time went back to when widmore was young and then back to when claire gave birth. so its not going back in an orderly fashion…
Thanks for the advice, i really forgot about Widmore..etc!! So, i was wrong about going back in time, but maybe it will be a year when Dharma existed? we´ll see
Hey, something i always wanna ask somebody from switzerland – what is your mother language? Please, don´t say we have morè!!
Karen i’m in Ireland, where are you?
I’ll make you admin now Scott. Thanks for the compliment! I just thought i spend so much time talking here to you guys it would be nice to have a place where we could talk non lost as well as lost.
I hope this weeks episode is better than last weeks. I felt nothing really happened last week. Not many questions were asked and not many answers. The answers that we had were all together in about 2 mins at the end with mrs hawking. I still don’tt understand why the others would have control of off island dharma stations. Although i am liking the jacob vs ben conflict. Which one is the baddie!
And thanks karen!
Looking forward to the episode tonight.
One big question though – when it comes to time travel, it was said that they couldn’t change the past. If that is the case, what about when the young Charles Widmore snaps the neck of his buddy in front of Locket et al? Wasn’t the fact that he killed the guy due to the Losties being there? Would he have killed the guy anyway?
Just been bugging me recently and wanted to throw it out there.
I think daniel may have said you can’t change the past to get sawyer away from desmonds door. I’m pretty sure mrs hawking said time has a way of correcting itself. I guess that means time can change events to gain the expected outcome?
WOW! what an episode, I can’t believe they made it back to the island. It looks like their back in time again and maybe the left survivors have taken jobs with the Dharma people to get along.
What a letter Locke left Jack. It’s not all Jack’s fault.
I was most impressed with Sayid being in handcuffs like Kate was, and ben looked like someone kicked the crap out of him, my thoughts it was Sayid but time will tell. It’s all so interesting, will Desmond go back? and How?
7 more days, OMG I’m hooked sooooo bad.
Lolo thanks for the facebook I don’t do that yet but I may.
ok i wont read too many posts because i haven’t seen the episode yet but i am expecting a lot from this one !
OK….they didn’t ditch Ben…. BUT DID BEN JUST KILL PENNY!!!!!!! HOLY CRAP!!!! THIS DUDE IS OUT OF CONTROL!!! DID YOU SEE ON THE PLAN HOW HE JUST KEEPS PLAYING JACK!!!
I am also starting to really think Widmore maybe good…. Hmmmmm….I don’t know….Really I keep going back and forth between him and Ben…Maybe yes they are both bad…
OH….and on ABC.com in the brief overview with the dolls they confessed that 316 was a reference to the bible…..
Its clear now that the pair of wooden canoes Sawyer, John, etc. found on the beach, with that bottle of ajira water in it ,were from Jack, Kate ,etc, so isnt possible that they were shooting each other on that pursuit?
Locke was the proxy on the ajira flight, like Christian had been before on oceanic flight, so its quite obvious that Jack’s dad was on the island before and it seems that they are kind of the connection needed for those planes to go to the island .
Didnt Ben say before that whoever turns that wheel couldnt go back to the island, at least alive i guess. So how is he going to?
Jason
Never saw the thing you are talking about yet but I do know that in the episode the flight they have to use to get back to the island is flight 316. Oh and I think Ben and Widmore are bad, just with there own agenda’s.
jonathan
I don’t think it was the O6 shooting at Locke and crew, there were other people on that plane, we just don’t know if they are alive or dead or where they are. Ben is in all likelyhood back on the island not to mention that since Widmore knew about Hawkings he probably had someone tailing the losties/ben and most likely would have someone on that plane too. But I guess to your point it is possible.
Love the way they worked the white shoes back into the story. I am thinking that Locke will now take over Jacob’s voice on the island and Jack’s father will probably have a limitted role.
I think Ben probably went to murder Penny but I think he Widmore got to him first, ie Ben was only in an altercation with Widmores henchmen.
As usual my favorite part of the show came at the end. Jin showing up in a Dharma van and suit, I guess they are in the Dharma timeline and now is when Faraday will get in contact with Charlotte and Dr. Candle.
And I hope they show why/how Hurley and Sayid were on the plane and is that “I’m sorry about your friend” guy in the airport going to become a new character on the show?
This episode was not all that good in my opinion. Aaron is obviously not on the plane so him not returning is a big deal and an unpredictable outcome can happen according to Hawking. 3:16 was in reference to the planes flight number. Frank being the pilot was obvious.
How and why did Hurley get there…wasnt in jail for murder??? Odd.
Ben def killed Penny and Desmond but at least Penny. He prob fought with Desmond and got his ass kicked but I’d say Penny is dead. I agree I don’t know what whidmores deal is just yet….it might change if Penny was killed. Could Whidmore be Charlotte’s dad?
Jack is a fool for listening to Ben. Ben is probably somewhere on the island planning his next predictable sneaky and often repetitive/manipulative move.
I don’t think Locke killed himself or wrote that note….think it was Ben.
We will find out next week as that episode is all about locke off the island….which I was disappointed we didnt get any of this episode.
Think some of the passengers and def the guy who talked to jack at the airport are in the show now….they may end up working for whidmore or ben….just a guess.
I don’t even care about Aarons significance to the show.
Good Episode…..very interesting but a little bit lame too!
So, how i said yesterday, they are in the DI Time now!!cool
Looks like the island losties are under the DI people! Now i´m really excited how the show goes on!!
Lame…..was HOW everybody entered the same airplane, coincidence….what else! Hurley was so much against going back to the holy island and also Kate, suddenly they were all just there…..and we didn´t get an explanation? We will probably get it in further episodes! i hope so..
Interesting was why Sayid is arrested, like Kate was on flight 815 and the coffin with John, last time was christian in it. So that´s what Hawking meant to Jack with there have to be similar circumstances like on flight 815.
Cool…was what happened to Ben? I think he was after penny after desmond left the church (you see that…he was praying!!……later in the plane when jack asked him what´s about the other passengers he answered “who cares”…too funny). It looks like he was tracked down i think by Widmore´s people or maybe Desmond!
But i really don´t know why Ben was in the airplane?
This new guy (from arabia or india) who was too in the airplane, it seemed to me he knew what will happen! Maybe he was the replacement for Aaron??
Ok, so first thing, Jacks grandfather has obviously been to the island before. Possibly where he was trying to “escape to” on his getaway bus. I have a feeling he will pop up somewhere on the island in a flashback or alternate timeline. Possibly some form of Jacob?
When Hawking was informing the group about how the lamp post was used to find the island, she kept referring to the person who came up with the equation for how to locate the island, but never gave his name. (in true, vague “LOST” fashion) Who could this be, Hanso, Valenzetti, Widmore, Jacob? Very interesting
My theory on Ben being all beat up = he knew Penny was there with Desmond, he followed him. Killed Penny, got in a fight with Desmond, got his ass kicked, and somehow wounded Desmond and escaped. So now Desmond is after Ben, and will pursue him to no end, even if he has to go back to the island.
As for the end of the episode, I think that after Locke fixed the wheel, the final flash happened, and the survivors got stuck in a timeline where the Dharma people exist on the island, and the only way to survive was to join the DI and coexist with them. What other means did they have to survive?
Also…How did Sayid, Sun, Kate, and Hurley come to change their minds and be on the plane? Also, if Sayid has been arrested and is being trasnported by U.S. Marshal, why is she taking him to Guam? and why is she taking him alone?
My thoughts are that she is a bounty hunter, hired by Widmore (or maybe even Hawking or Ben)and instructed to make sure that Sayid is on that particular plane. She’ll probably become a regular on the show.
Also, i cant remember who said it, but we finally get closure on the mysterious white tennis shoe in the premiere episode, and it is confirmed to be Christians. It was nothing major, but to us hardcore fans, it was meaningful. I had to explain its signifigance to my girlfriend cause i think she forgot about it.
Great episode, ill get more in later on
Somebody have any idea who could be this strange man what Ms. Hawking was talking about. The one who “construct” the timeline!?!? The only idea i have about that is that it only could be the big, great Jacob!
Another point, when Ben was praying an Jack came up to him in the church, Ben showed Jack this picture on the wall and talked about “thomas” being convinced by Jesus, when he put his finger in jesus wound….or something like that. A part from the bible. I don´t know what he exactly was meaning but there is surely more behind that explanation!
I loved last nights episode. I’m glad it didn’t take the rest of the season for them to get back to the island.
I think Ben probably went to make good on his promise to Whitmore to kill his daughter Penny. I definitely see Ben’s evil side but I think there is more good in him then has been revealed. I seem to remember him telling Jack & Sun that they wouldn’t believe the things that he has done for THEM. I doubt if he could go through with killing Penny especially after seeing that she is a mother. Probably some of Whitmores men or Desmond beat him up. I find his butt whooping hilarious. He takes a licking but keeps on ticking. lol One thing for sure is you can never believe a thing that Ben is saying – you never know if it is a lie or not.
I think Hurley obviously got word to get on the plane and go back to the island from Charlie, that’s why he brought the guitar with him.
I believe someone, probably Clair got to Kate and told her she needed to go back, I think Aaron is most likely with his grandmother. That’s what I would have done, but I don’t know why she wouldn’t have just told Jack. I’m sure we will see Kate’s, Hurley’s and Sayids story of how they got on the plane in flash backs in the future.
From next week’s episode I see that Locke is back and the chick that had Sayid handcuffed I believe. I thought it was great seeing Lapidis (sp) He looked so different. lol
And who is the guy from the airport that told Jack he was sorry that his friend had died? That was strange. Then I saw him on the plane, so I’m sure he will end up on the island. Maybe one of Whitmore gang.
I was surprised at Kate being all over Jack when she knows she is on her way back to the island and Sawyer. Maybe Sawyer will be with Juilette by then.
Richard strikes me as the most curious character right now. The fact that he hasn’t aged and has been there as far back as we have seen. Why isn’t he the “Leader”? Jack’s family sure is all over the island as well.
Can’t wait til next week.
How many more episodes this season?
I believe the reference to Thomas from Ben to Jack was actually speaking about Jack and his difficulty in believing. Jack is the type that needs to touch the wounds to believe. Thus, Locke’s note to him “You should have believed.” or something along those lines.
Also Jack asked Ben if Thomas believed after touching the wounds. And Ben replied something like, “Of course, everyone believes in the end.” Can’t remember the exact words but I think that is close. He was making a point to Jack that he too will believe eventually.
believe what tho….i dont think we all still no the major point of the show. the show is about what? its not just time travel..
good point on the guitar from charlie to hurley. i still wonder why kate came and what sayid is being extradited to guam for. my guess is for killing someone ben told him to.
I think Ben lied to Jack when he said that he didn’t know that John killed himself, I also think that Ben wrote the letter to Jack and signed it JL. He is trying to convince Jack that he is his friend, he tells Jack that he doens’t think that Locke blames him then leaves him alone to read the letter (that again I think he wrote) that basically would make Jack think that it is his fault.
I think both season 5 and 6 are suppose to have 17 episodes.
Since the show is taking on religious undertones, could the Island be Eden?
jones-
I 100% agree with you, think I wrote the same thing before too. If you see the coming attractions after this episode it shows locke tying the noose with what looked like electrical wire and Ben kneeling in front of him. Ben def knew. He has to easily be the worst character on this show….Its annoying to see him operate….you cant believe anything his character says or does. which gets annoying because its a waste of time to even hear him talk about stuff.
also wikipedia looks to have a breif description of the US marshal and the indian guy from the plane. apparently they will be parts of the show now.
Jones….I think too Ben lied to Jack about Lockes death!
He also could be the murderer, even when Hawking told Jack that Locke did suicide. She also said to Jack down in the station that Ben is probably not saying the truth about knowing this station, shortly before Ben said to Jack he doesn´t know this place! this liar
A big question for me is – who is the man what “create the timeline” mentioned by Ms. Hawking, “a clever fellow”??
This “time man” maybe discovered the island in the 1950´s around, because the photo of the island what Jack saw on the board in the station had the date 9/23/1953.
When Hawking told Jack under four eyes that he have to give something belonged once to his father to Locke to recreate the conditions of the original flight 815, so i think after he put the shoes on Lockes feets, Locke was able to show up as a “ghost” to the others which didn´t want to fly with Jack. -Kate, Hurley, Sun- and convinced them!! That would explain why suddenly everybody showed up at the airplane! Also, when Ben entered the plane, Hurley was upset because the “one” who told him to fly with them didn´t mentioned Ben!
So the letter to Jack from Locke make sense when he wrote he wished that Jack had believed him, because he was the one who convinced them in the last couple hours!!
Jacks Grandpa Ray told him he will go away to a better place, Jack said too he leave and will go to a better place.
Could it be that not only Jack meant the island?
Hi all !
Wow wow, i loved it, what a great episode
I was right with my theory on the coffin thing and the fact Jack would be on the plane with John like with his dad, think thats the first thing i’ve ever got right, lol !
Frank Lapidus is back, that cracked me up, good ol’ Frankie boy, lol
So ok i can see all the questions have been asked, who the hell beat the crap out of Ben? hope people are wrong about Penny, that would be so sad.
how the hell is Sayid on the plane with the Anna lucia look-a-like? do you think he could have been involved in the Ben fight which is why hes been arrested.
I agree about Hurley, got to have been Charlie, if it wasn’t can’t wait to find out who !
and why is daniels mum not interested in him (desmonds message), she just seemed to brush it off, have they fell out, and i wonder how old both of them really are!
love the fact the VW van is back to life, i presume its the same one Hurley drove out of the bushes! so they must be in 60;s/70s
do you think all the losties will now be ‘others’ / dharma people, and anyone that was on the plane will be new losties
) now they can see why the ‘others’ didn’t want them too leave so they will now have to stop anyone else trying the same.
Anyway i’m waffeling on now
can’t wait for the next epsiode
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hey just to let you guys know, John 3:16 from the Bible states, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Everlasting life hunh.
Oh and did anyone see the previews for next week, it is John who kills himself and Ben in Kneeling in front of him begging him not to do it and says John you don’t know how special you are, you can’t do this.Crazy!
The guy that says the condolences thing looks familiar. Has he been on the show before or is he the actor terrorist dude from the film matthew fox was in?
Why would all of them book this flight when they have a free pass for oceanic for their lives????? Whats up with that
Hi all. Great comments above.
Ben. I agree with everyone that Ben went to kill Penny, he fought with Desmond, Desmond beat him down, and Ben got away. After all, Ben was at the marina when He called Jack. I hope Penny is not dead, but if so that would fuel Desmond to find Ben and somehow remained involved with the others. Also, Penny was the only one keeping Demond away from the others, so now nothing is holding him back. It also seems to me that Ben is not 100% in the loop with Hawking et al. Maybe she is setting him up for something. Also, kudos to Ben for being so good at manipulating poor Jack. There is no doubt that he was lying about knowing how John died, and who knows what else. I also want to know what makes Ben so sure that He is to go back? Maybe he cut a deal with John before John died to put in a good word with Jacob so he could come back.
Frank Lapidus- it was a bit odd to me that he would so easily come to the conclusion that the plane was not going to Guam. If he said something about going to the island from Guam ok, but to assume the plane would not make it?? HHHMMMMMM. Need to think more about that.
Hurley– I agree with I think it was Moohaha that someone got to Hurley and explained to him what was going to go down. Charlie? Maybe because of the guitar, but let us not forget that Hurley could see Jacob and find the cabin, so He has some psychic capabilties. After all, why would he buy up all the airline seats unless he had a good reason.
Kate- I wonder if she had another visit from Claire which prompted her to give Aaron to his Grandmother.
Sayid- That is a mystery to me, and also why he did not want the Marshall to know that He know the others.
Ms. Hawking. Was it just me or was there a flicker of surprise in Ben’s face when Desmond referred to losing 4 years of his life because of Hawking? It was almost as if Ben did not know about that, or that Faraday was her son. I agree with Bex above that she seemd uninterested in Desmond’s message from her son. Also, I loved the way that Ms. Hawking threw Ben under the bus when Jack asked her if Ben was telling the truth. “probably not”– a classic line!!!
The Clever man. I am very interested in who initially found the island. What if it was Richard. After all, he was there when the US army was testing bombs there.
The Lamp Post- So we know that the Lam Post sits on some elctro-magnetic field, and there are other places for this in the world. That brings me back to the place Rose and Bernard went to in Australia. I have to beleive that has some significance.
The White shoes- Moohaha- I am with you. I always wondered why Christain had those shoes on. It was great to get an answer.
The Time period. Based upon seeing Jin we know that the island is in a pre-others/Dharma heyday time period. Not a bad thing, but given that John will be resurrected, what is to stop him from moving the wheel again to move them forward in time. That remains to be seen.
One more thing. Was it just me or did Jin not recognize Hurley, Kate and Jack. He seemed more surprised that He heard his name than recognizing them.
Where did the plane go?
The marshall looked at sayid when he saw some of the oceanic 6-they’re celebs now so theres no way a marshall escorting a prisoner wouldn’t know him and them by extension
Great thoughts but i just came to a conclusion we are now back at episode 5:01. This would fit into the timeline now that we’ve seen Jin it makes since that we saw Faraday in the Orchiad as it was being built.
Ben probably disappeared because he may be there already as a child.
Hurley was probably informed by Ben’s lawyer where and when to be.
Did you see Hurley’s guitar case it was probably for Charlie incase he showed up again. He was thinking of his friend.
I think the flashes stopped when Locke turned the wheel but as the others weren’t back yet the island stayed in whatever time the flash was at that moment. I guess that with the o5 back they will try to shift the island to its correct time???
Could Aaron already be on the island? Could jacob/christian/claire have come for him and then he was just gone? Kate might have come to the island to get him back? I think that kate has come so she can talk to claire but we’ll see.
Sayid did seem genuinely surprised at seeing everyone. I’m surprised he made no attempt to talk to anyone.
That guy in the airport that said that he was sorry for Jack’s loss was in Vantage Point with Matthew Fox. I think that is why he looks so familiar to me.
I find that no one remembers the crash kind of suspect. It almost seems like how Sawyer and others are traveling through time but the Island and people like Richard are not. Only things that Sawyer and others are in contact with travel with them.
I wonder if all the O5 people time travelled and the plane didn’t cracsh (or something along those lines). There was something pretty strange happening on the plane though everything jumping and throwing people around. The way I picture it is as if each person has there own bubble and only the things within it travel with them like how the island had a bubble.
Adam
I saw your comment and I agreed with you about the whole Locke Ben thing. I would have to say that I actual still really like Ben’s character, not really how other people interact with him (ie why anyone would actually believe a word that comes out of his mouth) but Ben is just a desperate little man that is predictable and surprizing at the same time.
Jones…..I wonder too why only the losties are moving through time and not the others! I also thing i mentioned that once but nobody answered me (guys, please correct me if i forgot).
Perhaps the others went to a place where they know they are safe, like the temples!?
Anoterher mystery is: How does it look when somebody disappears during a flash? i.e. When Jin disappeared, Rosseau was next to him and watched what happened! What did she see? The producers never showed us how it looks when somebody disappears suddenly….i mean when we would see with Rousseau´s eyes when Jin dissapeares HOW would that look? Nobody sees the white flash except the one what disappears……strange stuff! But not very important, of course!
At least….i´m with you about liking Ben. Ok, i don´t really like him but his character is awesome and fits perfect into the story!! Lost wouldn´t be anymore the same wihtout Ben!!!!!!!
Lolo- Great thought about Aaron already being on the island due to some off-island intervention by Claire, Jacob or Christian. That could go a long way to explaining why she suddenly wanted to go bakc to the island.
I am still perplexed about Jin. I think he did not recognise Hurley, Jack and Kate.
Also, given that the island and real world are on 2 differnt schedules, perhaps the plane was going over the island right when it was flashing, which is what took the losties off the plane. No need for a plane crash in such a case. I am not sure that would work for Ben, the Marshall or the other guy who I am convinced is trouble, but we will see.
Totallylost – dont agree with you nor lolo with the aaron theory. lady hawking said the only way to get back to the island was to be on the plane. no way!
About jin, well he just wasnt expecting it ! i understand him, it took him a few seconds to realize what was happening.
I just saw the episode and i thought it was again a bit lame. 1st kate really bothers me, what the heck happened with aaron? second, nobody listens to Desmond! third, what about sayid being taken as a prisoner in the same plane, so lame!
I didnt recognise frank lapidus but i really like this character !
One good thing i liked of the episode was the jack/locke omnipresent relationship. the letter said everything. i loved that. i think its unfair we dont see what happened with john, why he sacrificed himself. to come perhaps.
thats really interesting to see that a lostie became a dharma person (Jin). excellent !
Karen the next episode is called The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham so I think we will learn what happened after locke turned the wheel, if we don’t then the title is very miss leading.
ooooo, just had a thought! (cos my other half is watching the last episode)!
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In the last episode Sun said to her daughter, i have a new friend for you!
May be thats where aaron is, it would have been a bit random if it didn;t mean anything
Guys…..watch the new trailer for next week episode, a lot of answers will be nearly explained in this short trailer!!
i.e. Widmore tells Locke he is special!!!! Yeah..the old bad man Widmore, so could that mean he is maybe not the bad ass we are thinking!!??
I am excited what Locke will tell Walt (if they will show this), because the next ep. is about the -Life and Death- of Bentham so they will have to tell in only one episode the hole story of Bentham, i´m really curious if they get this all in one ep.!?
Hey….what is about the children -Aaron-Jijeon-Charlie(Des & Pen), Walt..?? somebody any idea??
A lot of interesting things I am on board a little too late catch up with what all has been said……
So I will say this or try a few…
Adam… The Hurley situation was cleared up last week or the week before eitherway…the episode where we discover the lawyer was actually working for Ben. In that episode he stated that all charges would be cleared since any accuse of a murder was actually a break in and that Hurley was defending himself….
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This is what happened to Sayid in the flight 815 before he boarded the plane… Remeber Sharon complained that someone left a bag and the man that did it looked like a terrorist….. So yes maybe lame but still…
HURLEY ALL OF A SUDDEN INTERESTED AND WE DON’T KNOW WHY>>>>
I am sure they will continue to flash back to all that happened to get everyone back and why Aaron, Jiyeon, Penny maybe dead, role of Ms. Hawkings, and Widmore who I think will also some how get to island most likely with Desmond (Just my theory)..But again I am sure it is important but also probably when we find out that it really wasn’t THAT big of a mystery, as to why, or who told Hurley that he needed to go back… My guess, Mr. Abaddon.
NEW CHARACTER(the guy from the movie Hildago…or Hate)>>>>>>>>>>
I called it last week when Charlotte died. I posted that they would start to introduce a new character. In that post I mentioned that when they do the guy will most likely be affiliated with the the group that was shouting at Sawyer, Juliet, Locke and them when they were paddling away….I suspect this guy has been to the island before otherwise there would be noway for him to be beamed back from 316 to the island…which yes he will appear as on the island.
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I think Jin recoginized them….I am also begining to think and I understand this maybe a reach, But maybe when Ben actually gassed the island there was more to the story. If at all we discover they are all now in the time period of the Darma In…could it be Ben actually really gased the place in hopes of killing Jack, Kate, Locke, etc, etc…. if they are there in time. I know this is a huge reach…but it makes for fun…. I am still wondering if Adam and Eve will actually be Jack and Kate….and they were actually looking at themselves but never knew it.
And Yes…I agree with Richard we are back at 5:01…..
And I agree with Lolo about how the flashes stopped…. the wheel being turned.
Sorry for the typos, syntax, and grammer….
OK…too strange… I just found out the Lance Riddick(Mr. Abaddon) will be on next week’s show….interesting….I’m just saying….
Another thought…..since Charlotte is now dead….will Miles be able to talk to her for Daniel….just a thought.
C.P.L. Thanks for the reminder about Walt. Since he has been MIA for so long it is easy to forget him. Now that I have seen the trailer I am very intrigued about what He tells the losties when he visits them, and especially what He said to Walt to prompt Walt to want to go see Hurley at Santa Rosa in Season 4.
Seeing John in a cast at least tells us that He is not back in the wheelchair, but the injury he suffered in the well is still with him (similar to when Ben cut his arm when leaving the island.)
Jason– You may be on to something about Abbadon being the one who convinces Hurley to go back. I was thinking it was Charlie because he had visited Hurley before, but I guess it could be the mysterious Abbadon as well, even though Hurley ran from him the first time.
As for Abbadon being on the show next week perhaps he will call in his chip with John (i.e. “you owe me one”) and ask John to tell him the truth about the island. Clearly Naomi has not gotten back to him, and I don’t think that Miles, Daniel or Charlotte knew of his involvment with sending them on the freighter, because he only spoke to Naomi. He is definately slick and shady, but interesting.
Bex – YES ! how come we didnt thought of that? looks like sun doesnt have a problem leaving her baby back and she seems peaceful. Maybe Sun talked to Kate to have aaron brought to Korea with Jeon Ji or whatever the name is. Great spot !
did anyone notice the book Ben was reading? Ulysses. i will enquire see what the signification of that is
Fellers
I just do some researches about the upcoming episode, and see here what i found.
First, the new strange arabic guy, his name is -Caeser-!!!!
I think he is from tunisia, that would make sense -my thought!!! (in real his first name is Said…funny hap)
The woman handcuffed Sayid, her name is Ilana!!
Second, we´ll see Walt, Aaron, C.Shephard again, Abaddon,..they are all in the guest star list!!
Ok, that´s not a lot of new stuff but i don´t want to look for more because then it wouldn´t be so thrilling anymore!!
Hi, all! I read all the time, but first time I’ve replied…
Okay, so when Faraday spoke with Desmond during one of the flashbacks (telling him to go see his mom) Desmond suddenly woke up and remembered this encounter. My question is…do Ms. Hawking and Widmore suddenly remember their encounter with the Losties during the Jughead episode? Hope what I’m asking makes sense?
Hi all. Dana– Good question, but I have no clue.
Here is my current thought. We know that John Locke’s mission was to visit the Losties to get all of them to go back to the island. Therefore, it should be a safe assumption (well, as safe as any assumption when it comes to Lost) that he visited each of them. If so, why didn’t John give Sun Jin’s ring at that time instead of Ben having it? We know he had it when he left the island, and what better way to get her to go back than to tell her that Jin is alive? I hope that question gets answered because it has been bothering me since last week.
The only think I can think of is that he died before He saw all of them, but who knows. Any ideas my fellow losties??
Hy Dana…..and Welcome!
Very good question about Widmore and Hawking! Yes, it make sense when you see the new trailer for next week episode, Widmore is talking to Locke, so he do remember him after he saw him again after fifty years (jughead episode) and tells him now in the present that he have to go back to the island or something similar! Also Ms. Hawking, if she really was the young girl in the past (jughead ep.), C.Shephard told Locke before turning the wheel he have to find Ms. Hawking, of course Locke doesn´t know her yet but She will know him when they will meet outside the island, but only if she was the young girl in the Jughead episode!
Excuse my english, i hope you know what i mean!
Totallylost….
Remember what Locke said to Jin before hanging down into the well, “probably Sun will find me”, we know Ben will get the ring what means that Locke won´t meet Sun! Ben was the one trying to convince everyone that means that Locke will say to Ben to do the work for him, whyever. So Locke will not meet the 06 or maybe only Jack, Walt, Abaddon…and of course Ben, i think!! (like Ben said to Jack, “i went to find Locke”, so locke will not visit everyone)
CPI…. Good point but if I’m not mistaken didn’t Jack and Kate have a conversation about Locke(Jeremy Bentham) coming to visit them at the end of season 3 (“Kate…we’ve got to go back…..We’ve got to go baaaaaaaccckkkkk”)