Miles is cranky and finds a trip wire. One of Russous?
Desmond has a baby boy and he’s taking them somewhere Widmore doesn’t want them to be. Back to the island or to find Farraday’s Mother?
Sawyer Locke and Juliet decide what to do with the guys from the end of episode 2. Apparently they are also Others and they speak Latin.
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I never considered the fact that Penny and Desmond would have to hide from Widmore. I guess they would have too.
Anybody else think theres something off about faraday? I enjoy the character but he seems like he’s hiding something
By the way the rifle that Locke is so interested in is an m1 garand rifle which was designed in 1932 and became the standard army rile in 1936.
Faraday is hiding something because he knows whats going on, and he cant tell everyone because it will blow their minds out of their heads.
Faraday is too smart for everyone else on the show. It makes it interesting to see him interact with Sawyer.
No i think he might have more to do with the island than we know. We still haven’t found out the links between the new guys, charlotte (who is english not australian!), frank, miles or daniel. Daniel seems to be given more of a lead than the others, i think its leading up to daniel being introduced as a baddie, whether reformed or not.
I agree that Faraday is not loyal to the group but it may be he is protecting Charlotte.
The time skip adds an interesting plot that what if the remaining 6 fly over the island but it’s not there?
How did Locke get off the island if it is still skipping?
What about Aaron will Kate bring him back?
I still think Jin may still be alive if he jump ship and swam for the island remember Sawyer did that Juliette was half way through a bottle of rum it never said how longthe ship was burning. I guess you could theorize that since the helicopter went down quick it was quick but remember when Sawyer was looking at the ship he never saw the helicopter.
WOW. Totally valid point. Never thought of that. We dont know how long the smoke from the boat was burning, so thats totally possible that Jin got withing the radius.
But I still think hes dead!
Faraday seems to be a bad guy hiding something but maybe its for the greater good. The writers have a way of hiding things so maybe he’s not a bad guy. I think he is but theres my devils advocate side.
Aw my head is wrecked. The bomb that goes off looks like its placed by the soldiers which seem to be the others? As they’re moaning about people not being in uniform they don’t seem to have copped on that anyone else is on the island?
I’m also wondering are there any off island dharma stations? I’d assume they are since dharma travelled to the island, as opposed to originated there. Perhaps the oceanic 6 can get back through another dharma station?
Also when ben/richard said that everyone has to go back does that include desmond, walt, lapidus, etc or just the oceanic 6?
Holy craP!!!!! OK..OK… the whispers make sence now…. especially after watching next weeks previews….. I think the whispers are the island jumpers in time are seeing themselves…. That’s my first theory….
My next theory is that Widmore are Richard have a major falling out!!!!
Oh, just finished “Jughead” episode. It’s getting better. Thank goodness. But how you folks remember tiny details cracks me up. Do you memorize or take notes or just live in “Lost”? I just watch for the entertainment on each episode and I do not try to figure out the whys and wherefores…….in’t only television, albeit usually good television.
And like I said on another thread……please “calm down and eat some fruit or something” (a line from a good sci-fi movie…at least I thought so) Anyone know what movie?
I just watched 5:3 for the third time here are my thoughts;
Faraday is going back and forth trying to save the girl (girlfriend) in Oxford, Des led him to the island by being his constant and he used that information to develop a way to go back in time maybe trying to stop whatever happened to her from happening.
We may have saw the ending last night with the hydrogen bomb. If they bury it and someone wanted to destroy the island … well there it is.
Locke didn’t shoot Widmore because he said he was his people, this should be a big riff with Sawyer when the island settles down.
Also Des naming his baby Charlie maybe this is the whole circle of life thing with the island.
I probably have more but can’t think right now.
Adam may be right Jin may be dead. I hate it if his is I liked his relationship with Sun.
One more thing anyone else notice that the picture in Widmore’s office has a polar bear and appears to have the Dharma loco on it. It is very visable in the episode when Des first visits him to ask for Penny’s hand. I saw it again last night.
Anyone remember “Sliders”? This show is beginning to resemble it in the time travel stuff. Also, when Jack, Kate, Sun, Sayid, Hurley and Sawyer(?) were in the helicopter at season 4 ending, they saw the island disappear and ripples in the water, right? And NOW it’s the people left on the island who are moving thru time…did the island itself move thru time then? John Locke said Jacob said to “move the island” …..so are people are moving now, but is the island also moving…..”moving” being the operative word?
Did anyone see the enhanced version of “the Lie” last night?
during the last scene with mrs. hawking, the scroll on the bottom of the screen revealed her name to be Eloise hawking (which was never given before). This is the same name as Faradays test rat. Coincidence? Most likely not.
So there you have it. I’m sold on the idea that Hawking is Faradays mom.
I did see that and slept through the connection
Anyone else notice the relationship between the Young Widemore and the Blond girl, Kind of seemed like a couple that had just broken up, or a guy that has feeligns for her but didn’t know how to show it yet, the wat Widemore snapped at her.
Seeing as she is a relation to the girl Farade hurt in his experiments, most likely the mother. Could the girl maybe be another daughter of Widemores? Or just the daughter of an old love, and that could be the main reason he is taking care of her, instead of just covering up Farade’s mistake.
Desmond and Pen name their baby Charlie. But did they name him after Charlie or Penelopes dad? Or both?
And based on Desmonds reply to being asked to promise never to return to the island, we can already figure out that he is going to return. “why would i ever want to go back there?” Dude, youll be back, theres like 30 episodes left in the show, you’ll definitley be back.
So after watching last nights episode, I’m beginning to think that Charles Whitmore might not be the bad guy here. I’m thinking its Ben. Ben might have gone back in time like Locke is doing now and lied to Richard about himself being a leader in order to take over the island. It just doesn’t make any sense that Claire would visit Kate in a dream and tell her not to bring back Aaron to the island. Ben is evil. And also did anyone else notice that Desmond and Ben have never been in any scenes together. So Desmond doesn’t know what Ben looks like, this I think will come in to play later in the season. And I do believe that Ms Hawking is Faradays mom and possibly Charles Witmore’s Son. but can’t understand why Ms Hawkings is working with Ben. maybe the same thing that happened to Faraday with the veggie chick, may have happened to Charles as well, with the pretty young other girl that we saw last night.
This third episode was much better than the others.
And they did enchanced the idea that they may actualy not leave their physical places. Its a mental transportation just like the rat’s brain.
Here’s a little more brain matter. Des had to push the button every 108 minutes or the whole thing went ka bang they 6 was off the island in 108 days.
The other thing that hasn’t came into play yet is the book that Widmore bought from the auction from the Black Rock. Remember it was from the first mate and washed ashore. I sure this holds the key to many things.
I think we will see in one of the flash scenes on the island, that Widmore actually discovers the Black rock on the island and discovers in the captains journal, how exactly, the ship was able to find the island.
Hence him buying it in the auction in the season 4
Moohaha mentioned that Mrs. Hawking’s first name is “Eloise”. In episode 5.03 Jughead the young lady pointing the rifle at Daniel, leading him to the H-bomb, has also a somewhat british accent and is being refered to “Eli” by Richard! My guess it’s the very same person…
Either my posts and questions are invisible or just too dumb to be acknowledged. I will back out and just watch and enjoy. It’ll all come out sooner or later anyway without all this theorizing and prognosticating.
I believe that Jin is still alive. what if when the ship exploded Jin was knocked in the water and somehow got pushed in the islands radius to 3 days earlier, that’s why we haven’t seen him yet. Kinda like when the Doc had his throat slit and washed a shore on the island 3 days before it happened.maybe Jin is lost is some sort of time thing. just speculating really. (bad spelling-sorry)
Louise, dear, we saw your post. Maybe you watch the show just for “entertainment value” without trying to figure everything else, but not everyone is you. Let us “others” have our fun. Too often we are confronted with predictably mindless scripted shows, and when we come across one that actually makes us think, it is fun.
Remember when Desmond and Locke blew up the hatch? We watched as Desmond turned the switch and then the screen went white. The show never explained what happened and the guys just ended up returning to the island. I remember Desmond making the statement (to Ecko I think) that all of a sudden he just found himself out in the jungle.
Could it be that the time traveling started at this point? The effects of blowing up the hatch and moving through time seem to have very similar characteristics.
Anyone else think that this could explain how everyone escaped?
Ron, it could but Faraday keeps saying that Desmond is different and last night he couldn’t remember what year Faraday was at the school something definately is going on.
Louise Sorry about not remarking on your post, I saw Sliders twice and turned it off. It just wasn’t for me. This is ALOT different in the since that the characters are Lost and all this helps them find out who they are within their destiny instead of jumping from portal to portal.
Biglostfan, I sure hope your right one thing that kept me interested is the relationship between Sun and Jin. I’m not looking forward to him returning as a ghost.
I also think Widmore bought the book either to try to find the island or to try to keep others from finding it.
SCOTT– Where are you?? Are you going to post your review so we can start a fresh round of comments???
I don’t have a way to watch each show 3 times so I guess I just take it at face value and draw my own conclusions. The questions I usually raise are addressed here. I realize many of you enjoy the challenge of “Lost”. I got wrapped up myself watching it on Sci-Fi every Monday for 4 hours straight. I crammed all four seasons into just a few months.
Maybe that is why I do not get too involved now. I don’t remember a tv show igniting such a frenzy. Well, maybe “Dallas” did in the 70′s and 80′s. Oops, showing my age! J.R. was no Ben Linus…..or was he? You hate him then you feel sorry for him…hmmmmm I , too, want Ben to turn out to be a good guy.
biglostfan: Claire did not tell Kate to to not bring Aaron back to the island….She just said don’t you dare bring him back. Which leads us to a certain ambiguity as to who she could exactly be talking about.
RonPaulWasRight: I agree…that’s when it started.
23Stefan: VERY INSIGHTFUL!!!
Moohaha:HOLY CRAP!!!!! EXECELLENT POINT ON THE BOOK!
biglostfan: OMG….GETTING BETTER WITH EACH OBSERVATON. THIS ABOUT JIN TOTALLY MAY BE TRUE!!
I don’t know about everyone else but wasn’t it just a relief to get another question(s) answered! LIKE: WHY the hell Richard was at Locke’s birth, or why the hell Richard came to him as a little boy, or why the hell everyone “the others” were staring at Locke when he first came to the Other camp as if he was some messiah. Now we truly know Locke’s connection to the island….Atleast almost truly.
Now…what the hell is JACK’S?! Let’s be honest here he is the star of the show, or at least is considered the Hero.
Me personally I keep thinking about Jacob’s original List and was Jacob already trying to work things out way back before we even knew (but still don’t really know) who or what the hell Jacob is in order to keep them on the island.
As far as Ben and Widmore….well I definately think Widmore is bad (he funded the Darma initiative) the Darma Initiative had issues with the “Hostiles” who are the “Others”. Ben was in a way reqruited (from my opinion) by Jacob through a ghost image of his(Ben’s) mother then by Richard. Richard Discovered Ben had a connection to the island hence when the time was right something would be done…..Hence Ben becoming a Hostile or later a “Other” leader if you will. Hence again Ben taking everything away from Widmore by killing the Darma people and project. Ben at this time….GOOD…
Ben gets casted off the island to save the island a sacrifice (again…GOOD)… and now like Widmore (though we have no idea how he gets casted off the island) is doing to whatever he can to get back to the island…. so now like Widmore….he maybe Bad.
I also think Ben may have known the onfortunate end of his dismisal since he seemed to know and show his jealousy of Locke as the prodical son. (This I feel is why he shot Locke or tried to challenge him infront of his people)…This or course makes Ben…Bad but in a schoolyard Bully type way. Again!!! Keep inmind Ben Sacrificed his desires to be on the island so Widmore could not get to it and Locke would remain to lead…again GOOD BEN. What’s interesting is…there were things already set up for Ben’s arrival, passports etc, when he got exhiled… Why????
Cause Ben Knew??? and if so how or why?
Jason GREAT insights! One question if Ben can’t come back to the island can he come back with the 6? I think the passports were for Ben to come back and forth to recruit, remember the picture scientist had was of Ben in an airport? Or though it looked like it.
Anyway thank all of your guys for the feedback I’ve been on a few other boards where the people weren’t so nice and thoughtful. If you didn’t know the exact second a moment happened or you didn’t agree with their post.
I’m enjoying the feedback.
Hey guys, at first sorry for my bad english!!
I´m Cris from Europe and i´m a really BIG Lost fan since the beginning. This episode was one of the best ever!! It was really cool that they answered so many old questions, like: Why Locke is so important and why he´ll become the new leader of the others (1954 he´s talking to Richard and he´s born in ´56, so that´s why richard was at after locke´s birth)!! The biggest surprise was Charles Widmore as a young soldier on the island!WOW! Also how/why BEN become the others leader, like Richard said that the leader could only be choosen after a long process since he´s a little boy, like Ben was when he met Richard the first time on the island!
Do you recongize that desmond/penny´s child´s name is Charly, weird????
Now everything of this big Lost puzzle make more and more sense after sooo long time!!
But what i not understand is this big bomb on that island?? Why? And Why Faraday was “part” of it?
Desmond and Faraday seems to be one of the key characters of this show and it seems that jack and sawyer aren´t very important wright now, surely they´ll be later on or at lest in the last season!!!
PS: That´s my first comment on this site, you guy´s are all great, i love reading your comments fellers, peace!
Hi all-
I don’t think this has been mentioned in the comments here yet (sorry if it has). Did anyone else make the connection that Ellie (the blonde girl on the island) is most likely Farraday’s mother – Eloise Hawking.
Not only is Ellie short for Eloise, but while walking to the bomb, Farraday is staring at her and she asks him why, to which he quickly replies he wasn’t. I think he either knows shes his mom or thinks she looks very much like her and that’s why he was staring.
Also, there seems to be some tension between Widmore and Ellie on the island. I think that Widmore will end up being Farraday’s dad (and thus making Penny his sister).
Hey Scott,
Yes, your theory is mentioned above, i just read it, but that theory is really brilliant, it really could be!!!
You know im from europa, romania, so i just donwloaded the new episode and watched it (i don´t understand all what they´re talking in the episode because i don´t speak for normal english, but whatever)!
I think that this young Elli or maybe Eloise, as the young Charles Widmore are in connecting to Faraday because when Desmond went into Mr. Widmores office (in the present) and asked after Faraday´s mom, Widmore exactly know where she is and gave him her adress in L.A.!!! So something is surely wright on that theory, or in that way!!
A big outstanding question is, in which connecting are standing Charlotte and Miles to the island? You remember last season when Miles said to Charlotte or Daniel (don´t remember exactly), “Why do you thing i will stay on that island, why” !! He was playing on something on what both of the other two knew!!
My theory is that they´re (miles, charlotte, daniel) born on the island or at least their parents lived on the island or something in that way!!? Definitely they are in a bigger connecting to the island as the losties!! That´s why the three know so much about the island, and that´s why there not telling the hole truth what they know about the island!!
Strange is the station where the toxic gas is, which can kill everybody on that island, i don´t understand the sense of this station, or the importance, i mean for what does it exist??? It don´t fit in, because know we all know that the island is more or less a TIME MACHINE!!
Or what do you guys thing about it??
Now that we know that Widmore has been on the island, I have some thoughts about his relationship with Ben. In season 4, I think in the episode “The Shape of things to come” after Alex was killed by Keammy, Ben was saying “He changed the rules.” He also said the same thing when He was talking to Widmore in the His penthouse suite.
Well, that got me thinking. When Ben “defected” to the others He met and knew Widmore. They might have entered into a partnership later on where Ben was in charge of conducting the experiments on the island while Widmore, being more of the business man, provided the funding, food drops, etc . . off the island while figuring out how to gain financially from the island. Jacob probably set the “rules” for them, and one was probably that they could not kill each other or their families, etc . .
Well, at some point Ben got greedy and tried to push Widmore out. That is why He jammed transmissions from the island in the Looking Glass so Widmore could not find it. Well, Widmore got pissed, and sent the freighter people to get Ben and recapture the island. We all remember just how scared Ben looked when He begged Jack not to call the freighter at the end of season 3 because he knew why they were coming. So Ben moves the island.
So now when you look at the conversation He had with Widmore and the comments that Ben has everything of Widmore’s and Widmore wants the island back, it makes more sense. Ben counters by telling Widmore that He will kill Penny, that he will never find the Island and that the “hunt is on.” Now, I don’t know if the “hunt” was for just for Penny, or for both of them to see who finds and claims the island first. It could be the island because I have a feeling that Ben does not know where (or when) it is because Ms. Hawking was the one doing the calculation in last weeks episode. Well, I am guessing that we will get our answers about this relationship as well.
There are some great comments above. That is why I like this site best.
Why did Elli say to Daniel, Miles and Charlotte “you couldn’t just stay away, huh.” It was almost as if she had seen them before, but it did not seem that way when they were talking near the bomb.
Why did the young Widmore have a name tag that said Jones??
Good point by C.P.L about the poisinous gas station. We have not had much info about that.
How come Widmore did not seem surprised to see Desmond? This leads me to beleive that He has been tracking them all along. Is that possible? I know that He warned Him to keep Penny hidden, but given that Ben told him flat out that He would kill Penny (and Ben was serious), why didn’t he give Desmond a stronger warning?
The blond girl escorting Daniel to the bomb looked familiar to him. I think that is Daniel Faraday’s mother. He told Desmond to go find his mother because she knows about the island and probably what is going on. Miles and Charlotte are also connected to the island and their parents are probably there too.
Great comments above but here are a few things too:
Remember if Widmore funded everything how did the supplies land on the island on the parachute? If Widmore knew where to send the supplies he would know where the island was therefore the jammed transmissions and such wouldn’t make sence.
Also, I do believe the blonde is Faraday’s mother and the girl in a coma is his sister and maybe Penny too, I believe that Faraday was figuring out the time travel for his father and the key was Desmond arriving at oxford to be his constant.
Miles is the one that intrigues me, why do you need him except to speak to the dead, and why would you need to speak to the dead except to find out something important after they die, could be Ben or Widmore?
Hey guys!
Have a question for your all: What do you thing is about that island always moving in time, when does or how does it stops? Is there maybe another “station” which can stop moving the island, or does it stops when the 06´ arrives back? But that wouldn´t be possible when the island ALWAYS moves in time, i mean how could they go on even when they find it?? Makes no much sense for me, there have to be something bigger behind the certain, like –
what the fuck is with JACOB, slowly but surely jacob isn´t an “interesting” person for me anymore, because the producers are talking since the beginning of LOST about jacob and how powerfull he is, but we never SEE HIM! I slowly believe jacob isn´t a real person more a spirit and we will probably never see him!!!
Like Locke talked to “jacob”, better said to the “spirit of jack´s fahter”, you know that´s not confusing anymore, it´s annoying always talking about the big Jacob and never shown him!!
HEY CARLTON AND DAMON; PLEEAASSEE SHOW US ONLY ONCE JACOBS REAL FORM !!
Sorry guys bugging you with that all, but i have to say that once!
Even when i love Lost and WILL STAY a true fan until the last episode of Lost, the proudcers could show us and explain us some really necessary things, like jacob, the gas station, the huge Statue, SMOKEY, etc…..
But a big plus point for the producers are the new season, it seems they are beginning slowly explaining us more and more, that´s the right way!! WE all “hardcore” lost fans wanna see the show in that way, you agree with me fellers!?!?
PS: You Americans make by far the best tv shows, even when the most people in europe don´t like the u.s.a, i love you guys, you are all great, go on with your american way of life, it´s really impressive, like your new “boss” Barack Obama, great man for a great country! Yes, you can!! *gg*
Ok, sorry guys that´s not the right topic here, excuse me!!
C.P.L. I believe everyone is in limbo until the six arrive, they will be the constant for the remaining ones left.
I believe they said the island isn’t moving anymore but the people are so the problem is getting everyone at the same time.
Jacob doesn’t really bother me because they don’t visit him often so he isn’t forefront. My opinions.
Thanks for the great answer, Richard!!!
I didin´t think in that way, but it sounds logical what you say!!!
Now when i think about that your right with the constant for each lostie on and off the island!! But how you mentioned – getting everyone at the same time is the point which i´m excited how the proudcers will show us that!!
About Jacob: Yes he isn´t forefront, but read that: Could it be Richard Alpert = Jacob? Because in the current episode somebody asked juliet after richard´s age, she said he´s VERY OLD, maybe he came for long time wiht the Black Rock and maybe that´s why the “others” always saying that´s our island and so they kill everybody entering “their” island!!??
It´s only a theory!
Sorry for my bad english!!
Have you recognize that Charlotte become sideeffects!! That´s probably why she hasn´t any constant yet!! Looks like she will die! I don´t understand why Faraday don´t say what´s happening to her, although he know what´s going on with her, even if he truly love her he doesn´t help her, however?
It´s strange that the Black Rock is in the middle of the island, i mean how does it get there?? That´s a ship and not an airplane, so it should be on the beach when it run aground and not in the middle of the island??
Since the island apparently moves, my guess is that its moved before and it was to a position where the Black Rock was sailing. That’s the only way I can imagine it ending up in the middle of the island.
I don’t think that Jin is on the Island. I think he is either dead or that some other boat picked him up. If he did not die in the explosion then he probably jumped off the ship. The helicopter is faster then someone swimming so if the helicopter could not make it back within the islands bubble (As Faraday calls it) then there is no way Jin could have made it.
Anyone think that Jughead is buired in the hatch somewhere, they did have that door with the concrete just poured inside. Maybe they used that to contain the Jughead. Timing isn’t right for it though.
Very cool that we see Widmore on the island. I think he was chosen to lead the island. He then brought in the DI to try to study the island. Jacob didn’t like how things were going and this caused a rift between old and new (Others and DI) (i.e. Widmore was starting to use the island for his own interests rather Jacob’s will) then Jacob used Ben to get rid to the DI people. Now the cycle is repeating with Ben in Widmores place and Locke in John’s place.
I find it very interesting how on the Island Ben seemed like the top dog but now he seems to be answering to Hawkings. I think at some point there was a power struggle between Widmore and Hawings on the Island. I do think the young Ellie and Ms.Hawkings are the same person.
Sorry for the scattered thoughts just wanted to throw some stuff out there.
Thanks Scott,
Yeah, that could be a possibility how the black rock land in the middle of the island, but it´s even though a mystery. Excited how the producers will explain it to us!!
You know what´s really strange, the donkey wheel, i mean it looks like a part of an old ship!! Like a really big steering wheel, maybe from the black rock?
The Black Rock, the four toed statue, the frozen donkey wheel, all that seems to me to be part of an ancient city or population what lived 100 or more years ago on that island. I have the feeling that under that island are very very old rooms, corridors and i bet somewhere there down under is Jacob or at least there are all the answers of that island.
I think that´s why DHARMA built all this strange stations in the underground, like we saw in 5×01 Dr. Candle and the DHARMA Team digging in the underground after ancient rooms (donkey wheel), or like Ben when he disappears in in his house in othertown in his secret room and after he came out – SMOKEY did too and attatcked the army people!!
Do you remember in the third season when Locke was captured by Ben and his crew, he told Locke that the island is like a BIG BOX were imagined things come out, or in that way!!
The four toed statue looks like an ancient ship harbor which was destroyed!
At least RICHARD ALPERT, he seems to me beeing immortal, because the young Mr. Widmore is fifty years later an old man but not Richard!! That´s so weird, i don´t have any idea about this guy, Mr. Friendly doesn´t seem to be a bad guy, that´s again weird!!
Maybe one of you have any idea or a theory about Mr. Immortal??
Richard Albert is a very interesting character however he would have to be immortal because if he was floating through time like the others right now he would have known that Locke was to be their leader so why not get him while he was young.
Jin I finally may have to admit is dead i was thinking about the 3 day theory with the doctor but the ship moved so that throws that idea in the water.
The four toe statue doesn’t really intreage me unless Richard Albert has four toes.
The black rock could have been like Scott said the island appeared and the ship was stranded or the island evolved to a bigger island after the ship crashed?
Jughead could have been the powersource for the island if they figured out how to use the chemicals to create power. Remember Goodwin had a chemical burn when he went to visit Julliette.
i just watch the Jughead and i thought it was a very interesting episode! things start to make sense now, like before we didnt understand why alpert had gone visit john when he was little, now we do !
And most interesting of all was to discover that Richard Widmore was an other !! that is so interesting, everything starts to make sense now, like pieces fitting into a puzzle.
I didnt quite get the thing about Faraday’s mom…
I hope Charlotte doesn’t die, she is so beautiful !
Daniel Faraday is an interesting character and although it is not presented as a baddie, i think he has a dark side… i really like the character though !
very interesting how richard and lockes storyline finally came together.
I think that old lady hawking is faradays mom. It makes sense…which could be a reason it wont be his mom.
I also think that the people off the island are the people on the islands constant. That would be a good reason they all seemed to have met previous to crashing.
Who was the lady on life support then?? I thought it was a love interest of Whidmores and thats why he wants to go back to the island…..the island heals people. She could be cured.
I also picked up on the girl saying to the group…”you couldnt stay away could you” and nothing was ever brought up about it. Don’t know if anyone else picked upon it. Lots of real good ideas on here.
Whidmores patch says jones because i think he took the uniform off someone else from Dharma. But at that point 1954 does dharma even exist yet? I think Ben and whidmore either use to be friends or they were always enemies. Whidmore lead Dharma and Ben lead the others.
So much going on its hard to watch and process 4 seasons of info and how different things connect to each other. Makes my head spin.
For the comment that said we should just watch and not prognosticate etc… Thats half the fun in the show. If you find it mind numbing than you should prob not watch…
the eat some fruit line came from the movie signs with mel gibson and jaquin phoenix
That’s right! Joaquin and the kids had foil on their heads to block aliens from reading their minds. Wonder if you remembered that or had to search around….anyway, Thanks for answering that, adam.
Now, did Charlotte die in “Jughead”? I also had asked if the island moved (the ripples in the water that the “6″ saw) or only the people left behind? Locke said Jacob told him to move the island….so is everything moving in “time” ?
Oh yes, “Signs” was my favorite M. Night Shyamalan movie! Too funny and suspenseful at the same time.
i dont think Charlotte died in the Jughead… i guess her body musnt be taking very well the fact of time travelling.
Lady hawking being faraday’s mom makes complete sense…. im trying to think of another candidate who could be but guess there is no one else.
Hey-I think you’re right about Ellie being Ms Hawkings, unless Ellie is short for Elizebeth so maybe Libby?!
Its not as plausible as being Faraday’s mother but still its fat to chew on….
hey guys listen to that Theory:
Maybe “Lost Island” = “Atlantis” !! I mean think about it! Atlantis was a island what was never disvoverd, it´s more a mythos! But Atlantis was like a “God´s city”, where people are in the paradise, so “Lost Island” have special healing powers and a lot of other unbelievable things, like the biggest – Moving in Time!!
Think about the four toe statue, the hiden very old stations under the island, like the donkey wheel….etc…!
I mean that all is a point that there lived once an ancient population – who probably spoke Latin – that means that i could be (sounds ridicolous but listen: The Roman Empire – they spoke Latin!! Would explain why the “ohters” can speak Latin!! And the “others” are for sure the aborigines of that island, after them The DI and after them the LOSTIES came!!
So they´re right when they said that´s “our island”!!
But think about an very old maybe hundred of years ago lived population, who built the statue, the underground corridors, etc….!
And compare only once Lost-Island and Atlantis!!!!
Atlantis would explain why there are special powers and time travelling would explain why atlantis is nowadays a mythos, –
When I AM SERIOUS I DON´T THINK THAT ATLANTIS HAVE EVER EXISTED BUT IN THE “LOST UNIVERS”; -WHO KNOWS!!!
I know it sounds ridicolous but on the other side it makes a little bit sense!!
So fellers – I´m a genius or an idiot!? What do you think about that theory!!
Sorry for my bad english!!!!
That theory wiht Elli ´= Mrs. Hawkings, I don´t know, it sounds for me not possible because Faraday always tried not to go with the group when they went trough time to the beach or othertown where their could met THEMSELVES, so he didn´t answered the question why they couldn´t see themselves at the same time, i don´t know why but –
When Faraday´s mam was the young blond lady (elli) then i think that´s not possible to see yourself in another time,that´s again all physical theories, or something like that, i´m not a specialized in that but think about that!!
only a theory
And Charolotte will die, I think! I saw some pictures from later upcoming espisodes 5×9-10, there i saw sawyer and some other lotsties WEARING DHARMA clothes, driving with the VW Buggys and lived with the other others, but that all seemed to be in the beginning of the DI, so in the 1950´ or 1960´, REALLY WEIRD!! But we will see if and how that will be!!
could Jacob = Jack?
Hmhmhmh!
Jabcob=Jack? who knows, maybe!!
COULD: young Elli from the past be = Russoue(french lady), i mean young Elli have this old rifle in the past the SAME like Russoue in the present have (when she was still alive)!
that was the first person who i thought it was because of the gun also. her name was daniella maybe thats elli for short?
How I see, this ELLI story make the most people on this site thoughts!! ME too!!
Another thing: Wehn Locke was shot in his leg – remember in First Season when Boone and Locke found the broken airplane rom Mr. Eko´s brother, Locke broke down to the underground, that´s why he will be shot in his leg three years later at the same point!!
I think Jack´s Appendix operation happened because he wanna an will leave the island!
Like Ben´s operation of his Tumor, that was probably because he lost his position as the leader of the others because he have to leave the island!
It seems all Leaders have problems with their health when leaving the island, except of the people who are not leaders, only normal inhabitants – for that people the island cure their diseases, like Rose etc…
Last point is Locke: He´s been cured because he will be the leader, but he will die because he will have to leave the island!!
Pretty weird, means to me that something is surely true about that!!
Only my thoughts!!
So what do you think about that guys??l
good episode, confused me in parts but still answered some questions….but not all…
faraday seems to have more of a connection with the island than 1st thought. I agree with some other people that ‘elli’ is his mother, and that widmore is his father. This would explain why he knows the island so well. However it doesn’t explain what he was doing with the other dharma builders when they were trying to build through the donkey wheel point (as it is later known).
Also, what I still don’t get is in last seasons episodes, why was Faraday crying when the story on tv about the missing aeroplane with the bodies was found. All i can think of is that he knew he was going back to the island but i don’t understand how. Also on that point, when the Oceanic 6 came back to mainland why did nobody question the fact that all 300 or so passengers on the flight were accounted for as dead in that ‘dummy’ plane on the bottom of the sea..(unless i missed it).
Charlotte i think is experiencing the same effects as the people in the freighters sick bay did, as they tried to travel to the island via paddleboat from the freighter. The time difference/ time zone change/ time travel affected them badly and in the end killed them. This i believe is happening to Charlotte but Faraday will try and save her also. In addition, I believe (as someone else pointed out before) that Charlotte was born on the island too, not too sure about miles.
Somebody said Ben has never seen Desmond in person. Very well spotted and I think thats going to have a big part to play at some point when Desmond goes back.
Still don’t understand why Alpert never ages, I think he might actually be jacob or some higher power because he is always there and always the same.
Locke will come back to life when he returns to the island, in the exact same way that Jack’s dad Christian did when the plane crashed on the island with his coffin inside. The fact that the island has some sort of life rejuvenating powers is what i think widmore and ben are fighting for.
Also though, with them both (widmore and ben) being off the island I do think there is some else who has something to do with this. It sounds a bit far fetched but the show has never shown the initial plane crash from inside the plane. I strongly feel that a scene will come in a later episode showing this moment and there will be an inside accomplice on the plane who assisted in bringing it down but the question is who….
bhupi – good points, and good questions!
On your last question – did someone on the plane help to bring it down – I posted my thoughts on this a while ago, but they weren’t picked up. I think we did see someone on the plane help to bring it down, although I don’t think they knew what they were doing. We see Charlie on the plane, obviously needing a fix, and tapping his Driveshaft ring on the arm of his seat – it sounds like morse code to me. I think this may have had some part to play in teh crash.
I am sure the ring still has a part to play (although I have no idea why!). The thought that Charlie left his ring for Aaron and no one knows about it doesn’t seem right. hope this is one of the many loose ends that is tied up.
Gillyjay,
I remember reading that theory a while back, but i have to disagree. I do not think that had anything to do with the crash. That was such a minor part of the episode, that there is no way they will come back to that event and have Charlie sending a morse code through his seat with a ring. Sorry.
However, the other theory about never witnessing the plane crash from inside the plane makes more sense. The plane very well couldve been sabotaged by someone on the inside, but who?
I was under the impression that Desmonds failure to push the hatch button in time after killing Kelvin is what caused the electromagnetic energy to be released, and in turn, resulting in crashing the plane. I felt that had added closure to the reason for the crash, but it couldve just been coincidence.
we’ll see.
as for this Ellie chick being Hawking, I agree. But has anybody checked out the link i had posted concerning this off-island “lighthouse” station where Ms. Hawking appeared in episode 5×02? It is possibly a dharma station that exists off island. And if so, are there more, and do they communicate with the island somehow?
Remember in the episode about Juliette, I cant remember the name, where her and Ben go to the Flame station, and Mikhail shows them the video of Juliettes nephew?
1) this tells us they have Dharma people working for them off the island, and 2) this tells us they must have a comm. station off-island able to receive and send messages to the Flame station, since this is how they obtained detailed dossiers on all of the 815 survivors. Could this “lighthouse” be that station, or is it a different one? And will it ever been seen in an episode?
(I tend to do better thinking about this stuff late at night)
Please don’t apologise, Moohaha – the great thing about this programme and this site is that we can all develop our own theories and share our ideas. The writers have put so much into Lost – so many clues and possibly many dead ends too! I like the element of surprise – like the young guy being Widmore – if I thought I had it all sorted in my mind it would spoil the fun!
I agree about there being people working with them off-island, but would they be Dharma? Or Others……..or someone else? Perhaps the Dharma people off-island are unaware of the purge and the Others are maintaining Dharma’s systems so that food drops etc continue. I really don’t know – just wondering. Are the ‘Hostiles’ our Losties?
So much to think about.
CPL – Dont think so. Rousseau died…
I think the food drops keep coming because they are repeatedly coming, rather than continuing to be dropped. It’s like the whole premise of the show (giving us information, out of sequence) is just like how things really are in the altered time/space of events. My head hurts… (but in a good way!).
Moohaha – could you share the link you mention again?
Really good points guys, that makes me think alot, so look:
1, I think Locke must not dead, even when we saw him in the coffin, because in the present, when Jack went to the motel where Ben was packing his baggage, Jack asked him where they going, Ben said he´ll pick up Locke´s coffin and bring it to a save place after that Jack seriously asked Ben if Locke is now really dead but Ben
admitted nohting on that!!
And Ben had once again this look in his face, so like he always have when he manipulate or lie!!
2, After that, Ben went to this “butcher shop” and talked to this saleswoman who isn´t really one and the both know each ohter!! Ben said to her that “IT” = COFFIN (i believe) is here and she will keep it save. Also Ben said that he convinced Jack beeing with them! Like usual Ben don´t tell Jack the hole truth.
When Ben asked the “saleswoman” about some guys named gabriel and jeffrey and if they already checked in???
She answered that everything works!
It seems the 06´are the most important piece of a big puzzle to go back to the island, but they all don´t know how important theirselves are, otherwise all other persons who have something to do with the island off the island know much much more than our Losties – even at home the Losties are LOST!hhmm
KAREN – You are right, I don´t believe too that Ellie is Rousseau that was just a thought! Because would that be, Rosseau had to be 60 years or something like that!
and she is french, elli seems not
ELLEN – I think you are right about the food drops, i think too their coming always and always again, don´t know why but wouldn´t it be so the people couldn´t survive for many many years on that island!
I agree about Ellie being Mrs Hawking.Although as a few others have asked i’m wondering why she said to Daniel “you just couldn’t stay away, couldn’t you”. I remember they said there were soldiers on the island at this time and thats who they believed Daniel and co to be but she seemed to definitely recognise Daniel. Maybe they will just travel back a little bit earlier at some point and see them?
I can’t remember if anyone said it already but i’m curious why mrs hawking is working with ben if she really is ellie? She seemed to have been with widmore and richard. Richard and Ben don’t seem to get on too well together and if she did have a child with Widmore, what happened there that they’re on opposite sides even though widmore is funding daniels projects?
I think the girl daniel was experimenting on was his girlfriend. Its possible when it went wrong that widmore ‘extracted’ him to L.A. and promised to take care of the girl?
Also i believe jin is alive. I wonder whether Sun teaming up with Widmore is genuine or just another trick? She seemed to be riling Kate into considering going back to the island, when she asked wouldn’t you do anything to keep him? Could it be possible that Ben has already gotten Sun to work for him by claiming knowledge to Jins whereabouts or something similar?
Sorry for the ramble!
Also i think Ben is the one looking for the blood samples from Kate and Aaron. Probably to push her into running again. She’s on probation confined to California and she’s easily recognised now as one of the o6. The island might present itself as the only place for her to hide with Aaron. I wonder though if Ben is the one behind it would he have to get Claires mother onside? Surely you would need someone related or possibly related to request blood tests not just anyone?
Have we seen more than one supply drop? If not could it have been that the supply drop was requested a long time ago but due to the island’s time shifting it was delayed in reaching the island. For example it could have been requested when there was an indecent at the hatch, as mentioned in the orientation video for the Swan by Dr Pierre Chang (Dr Candle/Halliwax/Wickmund), the reason why the button had to be pressed every 108 minutes.
Just a thought, I am usually wrong.
p.s. I think Jin is dead and someone mentioned that Locke could come back to life like Christian Shepard. It has been stated by the producers a few times that Christian is dead, below is a quote from Carlton Cuse.
“In terms of actually physically corporally in existence… he’s dead”
But Jin like Christian could still have a part to play in Lost. As for Locke, I don’t have a Scooby Doo if he is dead or alive.
Karen, heres the link
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_station
scott… are u going to do an episode recap?
Good idea about the food drop and the time difference but if I remember right there was a point in the tape that if you need supplies press a button and then the supplies showed up…. Right?
I don’t believe in the atlantis theory however I do believe there was a purpose for the island and that’s why the military is there. They had stated the weapons were from 1950 so that would be at the end of WW2. Maybe it was discovered after Hiroshima and used as a military post then found out about it’s mysteries.
If I remember right Desmond and Widmore had a conversation after he was released from jail (why was he there) and Widmore stated that he served in the military and Desmond would never be the man he was.
just one question. Why the rest of the people dispair at every flash and they not? What have in common? They are from two diferent entries. Passangers from the plain and wildmore boat. Why they rest at the same time and place and don’t move? Where I have lost?
excuse my english, I would want say Why they stay together at the same time and place?
mctama: only our losties moves through time, because Ben moves the island “because” it was his destiny! The others are not moving (i believe) because when Richard met Locke under the broken airplane he exactly knows what will happen to Lock and what he´ll have to do, have to give Richard´s compass to “Future Richard” and of course – to die to get off that island – to rescue the others, but what i think it´s not the hole story about Locke´s death, for sure!
sorry for my english
Listen to that guys!!
I watched today the last episode 5×03 and regonised at the when Ben met Mrs Hawking! What´s really weird is that this underground station, maybe DHARAM is under A CHURCH!! Look at this scene again, you´ll see Ben in front of a lot of candles (normally for churches) and the biggest proof is when Mrs Hawking went above met Ben, she put herself in front of this big cross statue!! So that must be a church, that made it really strange, i mean where could something exist!!??
And another bigger point was the seventie hours what Ben got from Her!! Maybe than the island will dissapear again in real Earth Time, on the island maybe the time flow much faster or slower, like Daniel proofed it, i don´t know, maybe a week or a month…., we´ll see!!
Another big point: When Ben enters this (“butchery”), where the saleswoman – one of the “others”, they talked about what Ben brought her, i think that was Locke´s COFFIN because Ben said to her to be very carefully of it,because if not, nothing would matter any more!!
And they talked about Jack, where the “saleswoman” made jokes about Jack because of his addiction of medi´s! Ben said that he convinced Jack, and admitted: “He´s with us”!
Jack: When he entered the motel before Ben were going to the “butchery” (i Think), Jack asked him where we going, Ben said he had to bring Locke´s coffin to a saver place (i mentioned before) – the Buchtery!?
And at least about Locke´s death, when Jack and Ben talked in the motel about Locke, Jack: He´s dead, isn´t he? Ben: putting on his icecold jokerface and said nothing! I don´t know but that seems to me that isn´t ba far the hole true!!
You regognised that the 06 where in total exactly 108 days on that island, like the numbers which are in total 108 like pushing the button every 108 minutes!! STRANGE
My last thoughts: You remember the “Flame Station” – you know where the communication between Lost-Island and OFF – Island were possible. Locke blew it up like we saw it, the same like Mikael “blew up” the underwater station – “the looking glas”!!!–of order from BEN!!
Sorry for writing soo much, but i had wright know a lot of thoughts, so i hope you are not nerved!!!??
And Sorry for my english!!! !good night girls and boys!
PS: KAREN: Pretty funny, you know you wrote nearly the same like I do when I saw the first time the latest episode, THAT`S NOT A REPROACH!!
hey scott! where are ur super ownage episode reviews n recaps? y havent u written any? i think they are darn great n i’m waiting for them eagerly!
To CPL. thanks for your opposite point of view. “only losties move..”..amazing. I have read your next post. I think this season show us the others like a mystic people, maybe a sect. You are right, Ben is in of Church. The woman seems a priest or a kind of magician with these candles and some esoteric signs around her. And the first “the others” speaking Latin, the dead but sacred language. Widhmore was a sect member who abandon it and take the island over seventies (for old fashioned computers and other technologies) with Dharma project. And then The others become “the hostiles”. But Richard Alpert recover it by means of Ben. To convert Ben child. And Ben organize a ritual massacre beginning for his own father. Is the Dharma project the scientist and rational option from Widhmore in face of Richard mystical project? I thought our losties will joint the hostiles against the Dharma project. But now I think in a new clash between the man of faith and the man of science. CPL, you are forgiven.
To add to my earlier postings, i think Mrs Hawking is using the machinery to work out a window/time that they are able to access the island. I don’t know what the criteria might be, maybe that it is still long enough to find?
I wonder why Juliet has moved with the losties? Since she is an other and the others aren’t moving?
C.P.L. and Lolo great post. Here is another thought also.
Michael couldn’t kill himself or be killed what happened to him when the boat blew up? Could the same be said for Jin? And what about the others on the shp that were on the plane crash?
Moohaha you have a good imbrace on these things any thoughts?
Richard i believe Christian appeared to Michael before the boat blew up and told him he could go now, ie he had served his purpose for Jacob/the island. And thanks!
I saw a few earlier people comment on the church where Mrs Hawking is at. There are frequent references to the bible and religion in Lost, even Locke told Jack he is a man of faith and thats why the island has communicated with him
mctama: thanks for your post, really GREAT Arguments and I have to agree with you by all of that!!!
Man of faith – Locke, Mrs Hawking in this “Church”, maybe there is a connecting! AND -
Man of Science – Jack! Mr. Widmore is the man behind the curtain in the real world, he´s for sure a bad one, remember how he talked to Sun for example?
That are only thoughts but maybe there is something real about that!
richard7769,
I agree with Lolo, Michael is dead. That is the only reason Christian (aka Jacobs voice) would appear to him and tell him he can go. Dude was standing 2 ft away from a couple hundred pounds of C4. Simply put, hes finished.
With the “meet Kevin Johnson” episode, I think that his character arc made him come full circle and, like Charlie, they had no other direction to go with him, so they blew him up.
I personally thought they could have done a lot more with Michael, but its not my show. I do hope they get Walt back involved with the show. We never really found out what made him so “special.” What with conjuring up animals and controlling birds and all.
Anyway, As for all the red shirt characters on the freighter when it blew, theyre dead too. The only one we might see alive again is Jin.
As far as the church goes, I thought they made that pretty obvious with the prayer candles that Ben was at when Ms. Hawking came up the stairs, but I guess it couldve been some other type of building, they never showed us the outside.
Im under the impression that it is a church in the shape of a lighthouse built by Dharma to determine the placement of the island. Which is pure speculation, but given the info at hand, that is what my brain is leading me to believe.
Where Ben and Mrs Hawking were did appear to be a church but the Orchid station was a front for a hidden a station.
The church could be could be used in the same way for experiments done underground, like in the case of the Orchid as we saw Mrs Hawking working underground. If so it was therefore built by Dharma and thus wouldn’t of that much importance to the others in terms of their culture/religion. Or at least I don’t think it would be.
In saying this the church appeared to be clearly much older than the 1970′s and so not built originally by Dharma making it more likely to be a place of significance to the others. If it was at one point a Dharma station then they captured it for reasons unknown, but it could be amused that its location is significant, possibly a pathway to the island, similar to Tunisia where Ben (+polar bear) ended up after leaving the island.
I agree with Moohaha we never found out enough about the significance of Walt, maybe in time we will. I thought after he appeared to Locke when he was shot by Ben he would come back into the show more, but as yet not. It also doesn’t seem that Ben is going to try and bring Walt back to the island at present either. So unlikely to see more of him soon, but you never know with Lost.
Remember when Ben showed Juliet that her sisters cancer had returned, he promised that if she stayed then Jacob would heal the sisters cancer. Healing and faith are tied together at many points in the bible and there are many cases of healing on the island, usually occuring in the people of faith, ie locke walking again and jacks appendicitus not being cured by Jacob but medically by Juliet, also Ben wasn’t cured by Jacob but by Jack medically as Locke had arrived to be the new leader. Also Danny said in one of the earlier episodes that Jack wasn’t on Jacobs list and in the video Karl was forced to watch it says God loves you as he loved Jacob.
In the bible as well Jacob is the great great grandfather of Aaron who was Moses’ older brother. Benjamin was Jacobs youngest son whose mother died while giving birth to him.
Moohaha: Man, you said what was on my mind!! REALLY good points!!!!
I agree with all youre points!!
1, Michael couldn´t kill himself because he KILLED two ohter Losties on the island (good guys), so that´s maybe why he should die at the explosion on the freighter, i mean with his dead, destiny´s balance for michael was compounded again. About WALT…??…there is surely a higher connecting to him with the island what we´ll see later on the show, at least his special powers OR he is “only” special because he will lead once the island????
2, JIN´s death: Jin was off the island an assassin, he killed for sure many people for Sun`s fahter (they logical don´t show us that) but he did, so he have to die for “destiny´s balance” – “be bad – be good” !! I THINK
For short: Jin is so dead like Micheal is, EVEN when one of them made it off the freighter before the explosion he coudln´t survive alone in the water because the freighter wasn´t in the radius of the island!! !Forget the both!
More interesting are theyre families – walt, sun,..!!
Only in Charlie´s faith i have no idea. He wasn´t a bad guy before he crashed on the island, i mean beeing drug addicted isn´t something “bad” – it was his fight with his own and in the end he made it, he was clean, but why he had to die, —-really no idea—
At last, i think the church was built by Dharma to determine the placement of the island, that´s sounds good, because i haven´t other theories about tat mysterious church!! -Sorry “Moohaha” – that was your point wrtting above-, -same excuse to Richard7769 who mentioned above something i wrote here-
LOLO said above (i copied it):
“In the bible as well Jacob is the great great grandfather of Aaron who was Moses’ older brother. Benjamin was Jacobs youngest son whose mother died while giving birth to him.”
Good points! I´m not so religious and never read the bible, but when you´re sure than that make a lot sense.
HOLLLLLLLYYY CRAP!!!! ADAM!!!!!! JACK being JACOB!!!!! Man…. That would be tooooooo COOOOOL!!! And if it ends up being that way I will salute YOU! and CPI My goodness you have taking this to a whole nother level by bringing the bible into it! This is SO EXCITING TO THIS THEORY OF JACK BEING JACOB!!
I should have vocalised the point a bit more, i was just saying they seem to point a lot at Christianity between, Jacob, people of faith becoming ‘higher up’ on the island, the healing, and now the church. Aaron is supposed to be special, Jacob is special and at one point Ben was too. I found it interesting that they were linked in the bible. Also benjamin was exiled and his tribe was killed off ( i think-wull have to double check that), could that be a reflection of the purge?
On looking at the church again it doesn’t actually look that old in the upstairs part of the building swaying me more towards the thinking that Dharma did built it not just convert it for their purposes.
Actually great Lolo. This sacred family tree.. Congratulations. We all know anything is by chance in Lost. More about: The strange Christian Shepherd “resurrection” and when after the plain crash Claire don’t felt Aaron move for hours. Maybe Jacob takes care about his own offspring. But Jack is (still) not a believer. Maybe the island needs his conversion. I think the fight between reason and faith in the human soul are a central point in the story.
C.P.L. Again great insights on the Good/Bad.
I never thought of it that when someone does something bad then they do good they are released from the island,i.e.: Michael,Jin on the bomb.
I think Jack’s turn around will be coming back to the island. I think at that point he will be a believer and his destiny will be revealed.
Syiad is still curious to me he killed before he arrived, he killed while he was there, he killed in the name of “Ben” i could only guess how he will be received back on the Island.