I gather that’s it for Desmond, atleast until Widmore figures back in…

Truly, one of the greatest single character story arcs in television history. He is by far my favorite character and has the best personal story, imho. So glad he got his Penny back… Just beautiful : )

I loved the Kenny Rogers reference and the comment about not putting metal in the machine, too. And when Ben said, “So?”, I almost threw my remote at the TV!! Bastard!

Oh. My. Freakin’, Goodness!!! That ROCKED!!! I was sure it was Desmond in the casket after all that “see you in another life” and “don’t let him find you” talk! I was getting ready to be very mad and very sad if it was. OMG!!

LOVED this episode.

I’m sure he changed his name so Widmore wouldn’t find him and kill him, which is exactly what I suspect happened anyway.

So, does Locke end up moving the island too, making it so he can’t go back and leading him to have to change his name, or does he just end up time/place traveling?? I wonder…

As for “Mc”Keamy, he was an awesome bad guy. Does he remind anyone else a bit of Christopher Walken in the way he talked?

I’m sure we’ll have people speculating, so what do we think Sawyer said to Kate? I think the last thing was “tell her I said I’m sorry” but I could’ve imagined that. If that was what he said, I think that further backs up what people guessed about Kate talking to Clementine and/or her Mom.

I’m holding out hope that Jin somehow jumped off the freighter before it exploded, but I know that is pretty farfetched.

I am still in shock.

I will be re-watching this weekend.

Well done Darlton (and the rest). Well done!

I guess we now know what the frozen donkey wheel is (or whatever the code name was).

OH!!!! I almost forgot…

Did anyone watch Part One again?

If so, then you know that in the extended press conference portion they revealed who the “8″ were that allegedly survived originally.

In case you didn’t, in addition to the 5 adults (Aaron didn’t count, just like someone suggested), Jack named Boone, Libby and Charlie. I’m curious why those 3?? I had hoped that Charlie would be one of them and that they would somehow fit in a story about him saving them in some way to pay homage to him, but that didn’t happen. No idea why Boone and Libby were named. I’m sure when I re-watch all the season DVDs (currently on disc 3 of season 1), I will be reminded of some grand gesture they each made.

Hi, I am in Australia and we dont get the final episode until next week. Who was in the coffin??

I was a bit dissapointed actually, they really didn’t answer anything but that Locke was in that coffin, which only sparked more questions. And I didn’t really like the scene when Ben turned the wheel and the island dissapeared, it was kind of corny and dumb.

But still it was a good episode, watching Lost for 3 hours was definetly fun. I was so nervous when the chopper went down and Jack was trying to revive Desmond, I was sure he was dead and so happy when he lived. Desmond is the best character.

I hope Micheal lived but i’m not really sure, Jin is definetly gone but I didn’t like him much anyway. It would seem like Locke is dead too, but I guess he could come back somehow.

A good season finale overall, but I wanted more answers not more questions!

KmX, Locke changed his name so as he wouldnt blow the Oceanic SIX cover story that no-one survived the crash. Also i want to know what happened to Daniel and everyone on the Zoidac Raft? Did they get sucked in by the purple sky along with the island?

A lot of talk about Desmond and Penny, let’s not forget that Ben wants to kill Penny! Also if there were any survivors from the ship, there is no longer an island for them to swim to!

One other thing I’m foggy on – didn’t we see Jin in a flash forward where he buys a teddy bear? Maybe I’m confused!!

Oh and Jerry, that episode we had Sun in a flashforward and Jin in a flashBACK running simultaneously to trick us into thinking it was happening together but Jin’s story was from before they crashed.

you all are fools ..ben is a bad bad man…i have watched season 5 promos..and have a leaked episode of season 5 ..ben s working with widmore..

Coffin scene – surprising to see that character in there for sure I thought it would be Dez. Especially the scenes leading up to that. Then I thought Hurley. The scene where the Island disappears is really something special. It just looked cool. Ben going through the tunnels to get to the wheel…so corny!
Def not many answers but it met my expectations. I’m sure changing the name to Jeremy Hetham was to avoid whidmore. Which didn’t work. What I thought was odd was everyone seemed to know that was his name. Walt, Hurley, Sayid, Kate, Jack, when each is told that he is dead they all know who it “really” is. I thought that was weird. I thought it was also odd that he told Jack that shit got all f-ed up after they left, I’m assuming that means lots of killing. But I thought he was the man for the island. To me Richard seems to always have on a diabolical face. He could be a bad guy.

Something that annoyed me – the Charlotte storyline….who f-ing cares! I’m more interested in Miles and why he seems to know things others don’t. And I’m not all into that either.

I’m tired of Ben. I’m done with the character. Guy shows up all over the place. Knows everything there is to know. Is always a step ahead. Its just expected now. The show is now basically his. He runs everything. Couldn’t be more annoying and frustrating at this point his scenes are so predictable its almost laughable.

End of season 6….thats when we will all get some answers, unless we get a Sopranos ending….in which case i’ll hurt someone.

Going to have to watch again to really get the scope. Why is jack such a puss bag?

Just re-watched “The Shape of Things to Come” and then “No Place Like Home (Part 2-3)” again. Seems pretty obvious that Widmore was once in Ben’s position on the Island, and that he was, for whatever reason, forced to turn the wheel, moving the island and being banished from it. That would explain the obsession with getting back, “possessing” the island, etc.
Excellent tease setting up a Desmond vs. Sayid showdown. Desmond protecting Penny vs. Sayid working for Ben to avenge his wife. That could be fun.
Locke’s death will probably not be permenant. Unless they use his death to change Jack into the “Man of Faith,” Locke has to be alive (in some when/where) to act as Jack’s foil.
Very interested to see what Ben’s ideas are concerning Kate and Aaron getting back to the island. Has to include Claire somehow.
I think we’re going to find that Charlotte is one of the original inhabitants of the island. The “…still looking for my birth place…” line triggers that. And, the Miles line about her being there before. By the way, that dude is creepy. Ken Leung = great actor. But still creepy.
Looking forward to Season 5.

Thought the episode was really cool but I’d love to know what jack could possibly have done to have Kate (she is smoking hot) hate him like that in the future. I don’t think the ultimate sacrifice Ben was making was dying (at least not immediately), i think the ultimate sacrifice was not ever returning to the island where I bet he was ageless just like that other “other”.

i do have a question….
i don’t remember the details but in a conversation between Ben and Locke before they head down that shaft they mention a guy named Jordan or Joshua or something like that and I had no idea what they were talking about..anyone remember that part?

I have the alternate endings, I will post later today. Basically it shows 2 other people in the casket instead of Locke.

Yeah, I, sadly, was not all that impressed with this episode. The island disappearing bit? TOTALLY anti-climatic – I mean, come on guys, the island basically dropped under the water or something in a split-second. It was almost boring, after the big build-up. I was glad to see who was in the coffin, but all that did was raise a million more questions, leaving me frankly more irritated than anything else. Was glad to see the reunion with Des and Penny – guess they had to throw us something!

The island moving scene was very disapointing. If you are going to go ahead with an off the wall concept you at least have to do it well. As a comparison look at the swan station, big build up, out to lunch idea, but des going down and turning that fail safe key (in my opinion) was pretty cool, because it was so well done. The donkey wheel was horrible, should/could have come up with something way better (felt like they were doing it for humour or something). I also would have liked to see a huge wave created from the islands move, although the ripple in the water was actually pretty cool (if they are going for the “like nothing was ever their angle”).
All in all the last scene made it for me, finding out Locke(since this is a thread on the finale I thought using his name was ok) was in the coffin was great. When they first started talking about who was in the coffin I was not very pleased (“Jeremy B.. who is that”) then they started with the don’t say his real name and I was getting pretty mad then finally in the end we got it and I must say for me it was worth the wait.
Lots more questions bearly any answers but I mean there are two more seasons and for a show like lost where everything seems to be related to everything else, if we knew any of those answers the show would be boring(for a lack of a better term).

did anyone see the ten commandments in the tunnel that ben was walking through to move the island

Another great quote from the night:
Hurley – Checkmate Mr. Eko!
Everything in the fast foward is 3 years from when they got off the island. So Walt and Aaron look as they should. Also Locke would have been on the island in charge of the others for 3 years before he got off and killed himself. And, since the island gave him his legs back, maybe it can bring him back to life. But if not, I’m thinking that we will be seeing “flashbacks” of the island during the 3 years the Oceanic 6 are gone and Locke will still be very much on the show through that.

I don’t think that the mention of Boone, Libby and Charlie as the other 3 that initially survived meant anything. It was just part of a made up story. They are still saying that they are dead now.

For some more observations that I made last night see http://connectwithyourteens.blogspot.com/2008/05/lost-season-4-finale.html

WHERE ARE ROSE AND BERNARD!!!??

If Charlotte is Annie (Ben’s friend from his youth) why would he have shot her in a previous episode? And he seems to know everything, wouldn’t he know who she was?
On Good Morning America they showed the two alternate endings and it was Sawyer and then Desmond in the casket. They said they shot 3 endings in case it got leaked.

?- if you can’t be killed off island if you’ve been there, how is it that Locke is dead?

Mike – I think Charlotte is too young to be Ben’s childhood friend.

Alos, who are the 2 people in the casket in the alternate endings? I had to TiVo “Good Morning America” today so I can find out after work.

I think Desmond may be back in a limited role next season, but I assume that he and Jack WILL meet again.

Jin is dead, the scene with him getting the big teddy bear was a flash back. In the same episode there was a flash forward of Sun and Hurley moarning at his grave.

But I still think Jin could be alive.

man, that was rocking, just how in the world did Lock end up in the coffin, and an interesting question here, do you think he is going to live again if they go back to the island, like christian shephard did?
oh and something else, when will the season 5 begin?

I thought the wheel thing was def weak. I loved the island disappearing…..that little ripple that came out I thought was cool and cool looking. What I thought was going to go down there was as Ben is turning the wheel he passes through the wall. Otherwise all in all it was weak looking. The helicopter crashing into the water was also weak. Jumping the shark is a little extreme. If he was alive again then i could agree….but him and claire just appear and disappear whenever i dont know what their deal is.
good episode…not great….finales should be great. season 3 was def better as far as finale goes.

This show is like a bonanza for philosophy majors. At least half of the major characters are named after a philosopher, and which philosopher’s name was chosen gives you an insight into their personality. Jeremy Bentham is credited not only for his Panopticon, but also for his work in normative ethics. He was a consequentialist (one who believes that actions are either right or wrong based on the consequences), and specifically a utilitarian (the right thing is one that brings the greatest amount of happiness to the greatest number of people.) Utilitarians would say that the sacrifice of one person is right, if it brings a great amount of happiness to more than one person. For example: let’s say that you are the leader of a band of people who inhabit a tropical island. You find out that everyone will die unless you die. The utilitarian (and Jeremy Bentham) would say that the right thing to do is to die – because only one person will experience a small amount of happiness while many people will experience a large amount of happiness.

The producers/writers of Lost must have taken more than a few philosophy classes on college. They have consistently named their major plot characters after famous philosophers, and it is no accident that those characters follow patterns of behavior that were advocated by their namesakes. I expect that this name change (Locke to Bentham) also signals a change in behavior. After all, John Locke was nobody’s hero – a patron of the wealthy upper class, he spent his time writing texts that supported the right of that class to rule. When his patron fell out of political favor, he was exiled and died in Holland, far from his native England.

Now he’s lying in a coffin, far from the island, with the name of one of the most famous utilitarians in history.

Coincidence? I think not.

The DONKEY WHEEL makes sense though, if it is attached to the central focus where all the electromagnetic energey is coming up from. The wheel would act like a nozzle allowing more energy to come through, into the chamber above with the metal in it. Which obviously would send the island into a random location and time… seeing as metal affects magnetism greatly.

Ben and Jack are going to have problems getting Kate and Aaron to go back, after her dream with claire telling her to never let him go back.

Ben is going after Penny, so Dez will ahve to defend her at some point.

When Locke gets back to the island, he will be resurrected like jack’s dad was, remember the coffin was empty, so it is jack’s dad, even if the body is possesed by jacob or something.

Miles can talk to dead people… so it seems, so he fits the role to be on the island especially when people are dying and still alive.

Sawyer got back to the island, but Jin did not, that we know of. He most likely was picked up by Dan on the rubber dingy, so either they made it back, or were sucked in teh war along with the island… or they will show up later in the series having made it to another island and back to civilization, at which point I think Sun will realize after she does something incredibly dangerous and can’t turn back… Sun is getting viscious!

CB-
I love the thought that Widmore was once the one in control. That makes perfect sense. He could have come over on the black rock and been one of the original hostiles and their leader. That is why he knew of the frozen donkey wheel and that it would only be used in the worse case scenario because he was banished before and knew Ben wouldn’t want to be banished too.
Bob-
They were talking about Jacob. One of the main forces/mysteries in Lost. Check out Lostpedia for more info on him.
Jesse-
Christian was also “bloodless” and in a coffin and has managed to come back. So I don’t see why it would be any different for Locke.

I disagree with many of you. I liked the Donkey wheel thing. I think it was a very profound scene. Here you have Ben who for all intents and purposes was King; well here he has been humbled to a lowly servant pushing a great wheel Spartacus style only to be banished from his kingdom.

Everyone seems to have missed the single most important quote of the whole episode, (If not the series)

Richard to Locke…

“Welcome Home John”

mark:

i don’t understand why ‘welcome home John’ was the most important quote. I thought it was just symbolic and Richard was saying it as in John is the new leader, and has reached his destined position as leader of the others. What do you think he meant by the comment?

2ndly
Correct me if im wrong, but wasn’t the whole point of Locke moving the island to protect it from Keamy and his men, and only to be used as a last resort. If so, then at the point the island was moved, Keamy himself and all of his men were already dead, therefore providing no logical reason to move the island. Fair enough if Widmore found the island once he could do it again, but surely they could have moved it later if neccessary.

Locke doesnt need to turn the wheel jus to get off the island. My guess is that he took the same mode of transportation Ben took to get off the island in the past. Im still very interested in the so called “magic box”, does anyone else think that Richard can possibly be Locke’s biological father. Why doesnt he age?

In the video that Ben gives John to watch on in the Orchid station the guy on the video says that objects “appear to” have dissaperaed . The video then cuts out . I think that the island moves forward briefly in time as we know it is already 46 mins ahead of time . This would then explain why it appeared to disspear to the guys in the helicopter. I think the island then returns to it’s usual place where Daniel and the guys on the raft find it as well as Jin who survived the explosion.

I just watched it now! Brilliant! I read an article online and the writer hit the nail on the head: “Lost giveth and Lost taketh away”. Questions are all answered with more questions!

Great ep, my favourite bits:

1) Sawyer throwing himself out of the chopper for Kate. Could that character BE any more attractive?!
2) Desmond and Penny reuniting. I cried!
3) Locke watching the video whilst in the background Ben is filling the hatch up with metal objects. Purely for the humour factor that Lost does well.
4) Sayid’s fight scene with Keamy. I’ve missed Sayid showing off his soldier training.

I agree with a lot of you that we haven’t seen the last of Desmond or Penny. Ben has vowed to kill her, so she’ll probably show up eventually.

And how come Locke wasn’t good enough for Richard when he was a child, but now he’s quite happy for him to be his leader?

Ya just gotta love this series….talk about hooking you in!!! Here’s my 2 cents-

Donkey wheel:
True, at first glance this seems cheesy, but in context it becomes more plausible….it has to be an ancient methodology, which is supported by the hieroglyphics on the walls, and remember the ancient statues on the coast, evidence of an ancient advanced civilzation…and think about a nuclear reactor…you control it by inserting or removing carbon rods; simple but effective…perhaps the same for a matter/anti-matter reaction contained in the islands magnetic vortex structure….a simple winch pulling quantities of charged substances closer.
Aren’t wacky theories wonderful…?

Of course, I would wonder why Ben ends up in Tunisia and not the rest of the island??? Maybe relative mass and position?

Island move: Why do it when the bad guys were dead? Most likely because the awareness of the islands whereabouts had gotten out to the wrong people…remember, even Penny was close, and she IS a Widmore, don’t forget that.

Helicopter crash: What was cheesy was the crash…why not have Frank at least bring the bird close to the water before the fuel runs out…Heli’s aren’t real good at soft landings (of course neither are airliners LOL), people usually die big time. They could have still played up the Desmond drowning thing (which was also so predictable and cheesy)…little Aaron surviving that crash?…That’s asking a lot of us….but they done that all along,huh? And we still love it. It will be a long year’s wait.

Tracy,

You can find it at http://www.surfthechannel.com

Enjoy

If Locke took the heartbeat monitor off of Keamy and put it on himself, surely it would have activated as soon as it left Keamy’s pulse.

I think it’s kind of weird that it was on his arm anyway. I for one don’t have a pulse in my arm..at least I didn’t feel one. Locke should have stuck his finger underneath it so it picked up his pulse there.

The episode was amazing. Cheesy, but it answered so many of my questions. THe ending was so unexpected. I felt sorry for Walt when he is like, “No one came to see me.” Ben’s donkey wheel was weird, and they could have made moving the island…. I DONT KNOW. At least they gave us an answer. I do not think that Michael is dead because does he still have work to do? I hope so. I finally began to like him after i despised him for killing Ana Lucia and Libby. Jin is so so so dead. I was kind of disappointed, because at the beginning, Kate says that the day she escaped from the island was horrific, but it did not seem that horrific. I mean ya the boat exploding before her eyes, and the thought that she might have been able to save Jin, and maybe Sawyer jumping in the water. What will happen to CLAIRE????????? I need to know. She was one of my favorite characters!!!! I was so certain Jin and Juliet were the ones to die. Good thing i was half wrong. I like Juliet. i wonder if Juliet thinks that Sun, Jin, Jack and etc.. are all dead? What if Sawyer thinks that Kate is dead? What will he do? What will happen to the people on the beach, Juliet, Charlotte, Sawyer, Rose, Bernard, Miles? What will Locke and Richard do? How will Daniel get back to the beach? Was he also telaported with the Island? What were the bad things that happened to the Island? SO MANY QUESTIONS!!!!

I absolutely LOVED this episode! It answered a lot of questions for me and true to the Lost style, raised some more. I think it’s brilliant!

I’m thinking that moving the island was a movement in TIME–a time that sends them all back to civilization, and that’s how Ben and Locke and Sawyer (and probably all the others) managed to get back home.

I don’t understand why they need to go back to the island though. And what Sun wants with Widmore…

I DONT THNK LOCKE IS DEAD REMEMBER THE SPIDERS THAT WE THOUGHT KILLED THAT COUPLE WHO WERE BURIED ALIVE HMMM JUST A THOUGHT

Does anyone think Aaron will turn out to be someone special since he seems to have survived the only on-island birth? Either special like having Walt-like powers, or special as in Jacob’s soon-to-be leader?

Kat, Alex was born on the island also so Aaron wasn’t the only one, and the writers of Lost seem to be signaling us that Charlotte was also born there????!!!!. I agree with Blue on the island disappearing

“Lie to them, Jack… If you do it half as well as you lie to yourself, you’ll be fine”

AWESOME quote, it seems Locke got the last laugh with the whole leadership quarrel.

Lets talk theories; No-one think that the cave is frozen because it shows where the island could move to next when that wheel is turned, ie. antarctica or something? that would really change life on the island, it would be very interesting. That moving the island thing explains how the polar bears got there, I’m pleased they did that.

Also, everyone’s commenting on the irony when Locke is watching the film which clearly states there should be no metal put in the vault, which is exactly what Ben is doing in front of him. Yes…quite amusing…But does no-one think this explains ALOT? For me, this shows that Dharma’s research was experiments to see how long people would follow orders before rebelling against them. Dr. Edgar Halliwax also says “DON’T put any metal in the vault,’ or something similar, implying negative suggestion. For those of you who saw Derren Brown’s experiment on that you’ll understand.

Let me know what you think!!

The orchid orientation film says the vault is next to negative exotic matter-could this not be responsible for the cold temperature?

You’re all missing the point about the “fire” coming from the slit around the donkey wheel. It wasn’t fire, it was the heat and the sun from the dessert, where Ben gets dropped, a bit in the future.

Remember when Ben woke up in the dessert, his arm was injured (from falling down the ladder), and he had a heavy coat on? Turning the wheel zapped him into the future a few years and displaced him into the dessert, where he finds Sayid Coincidence? there are no coincidences in this show).

I just thought of the fact that a polar bear was in the same place that ben shows up(or pretty close) after he turns the wheel. Maybe they can move stuff like that in the chamber (the one that ben puts all the metal in) but I think it is more fun to think that they hooked up a polar bear to that donkey wheel to see what would happen (puff it’s gone).
As I remember, there was also some sort of line hooked up to the pulse thing on keamy’s arm that line could be measuring his pulse from anywhere.

I never thought it was Desmond in the coffin, I thought it would be Ben, but apparently it wasn´t.. Was Ben a ghost or was he alive?

And where can you find the extended press conference of Part One? I’m thinking those 3 because they’re dead anyways, but still were one of the main characters. FJ, maybe the bad things are when Withmore finds out.. And I can’t remember Adam & Eve from season 1, could you tell more about that? But was Penny ever on the island?

Jesse, I actually thought Sun wanted to work with Widmore because she wants to find Jin.

Walter, that would be a very good point imo.. Never thought about that. I also like your theory Jimmy. Guess we will find out next year.

Clyde, I was wondering why the hell Locke didn’t put that heart rate monitor on his own arm either, that would fix everything =S Or is it once it turns red, it can’t go back green?

Adam -

Yeah if you play the phone call back, backwards, it gives the message. I only got to see the final episode yesterday in the UK but its already been covered here: http://www.docarzt.com/lost-theories/lost-whispers—phone-call-in.php on the US site. Nobody knows however who it is…

OK..OK… THESE POSTS ARE ALL GREAT!!! ADAM YOU HAD MY SIDE HURTING FROM LAUGHING…I AGREE!!!! WHO CARES ABOUT CHARLOTTE!!…AND MILES…YES COOL…BUT AGAIN…WHO CARES!!!

Why did those damn writters tease us with the mention of Mr. Ecko!!!

By the way WHAT ABOUT FOGART!!! LOL!!! IS HE DEAD OR ALIVE!!!

AAAAAAAaaaannndddd what was up with the writers giving JULIET…Betty Davis eyes to DANIAL!!! THAT SHI#$! PISSED ME OFF!!!

WHY HASN’T HURLEY PAID WALT BACK THE $20,000 HE OWES HIM FROM SEASON 1 BY LOOSING ALL THOSE BACK GAMMON GAMES!

Ok…Ok….we all understand Jack is an OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE CONTRAL FREAK WHO IS HAS ULTIMATELY “LOST” IT…..But is anyone else besides me wish that Jack would GO THE F*&K OFF ON KATE!!! I SAY KILL HER OFF WHEN SHE GETS BACK TO THE ISLAND!!!!!

AS FOR JIN!!! NOT DEAD!!!! THAT’S WHERE I STAND UNTIL OTHERWISE!!!

I still haven’t forgotten about that damn HURLEY BIRD!!!!! ARE WE EVER GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT DAMN THING WAS!!!

DOES ANYONE ELSE OUT THERE BESIDES ME THINK THAT DESMOND AND PENNY ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES TO GET THEM BACK TO THE ISLAND???

DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK THAT SUN IS ACTUALLY SETTING UP WIDMORE AS WELL???

I ALSO THOUGHT THE SCENE WHEN LOCKE SAW ALL THE PEOPLE AFTER THE ORKID STATION INCIDENT…THAT HE SHOULD OF HAD A FREEEEAKIIING KNIFE IN HIS HAAANNNDDD!!!!!!!

WAS ANYONE ELSE SWINGING THERE ARMS IN THE AIR LIKE ME AS IF THEY WERE ACTUALLY FIGHTING KEAMY WHEN SAYID CAME FLYING THROUGH THE AIR LIKE RAMBO!!! LOL.

Why in HELL did they bring MICHAEL back just to FREAKIN KILL HIM OFF!!!! REALLY NOW…DID THEY FEEL THAT DESPERATE TO BRING HIM BACK TO GAIN VIEWERS!!! IF SO!!! LAME EXCUSE DID MICHAEL IN ALL HONESTY DO ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT THAT ANOTHER CHARACTOR COULD HAVE DONE???

GREAT FINALLY!!! BEST EPISODE THIS SEASON BESIDES “THE CONSTANT” AND “THE ECONOMIST”!!!

FOR ME…BEN IS GREAT!!!! I JUST WANT HIM TO TAKE OUT WIDMORE GET BACK TO THE ISLAND AND GET KILLED BY THE SMOKE MONSTER!!! THEN HAVE EVERYONE NOMISTAY THAT DAMN SMOKE MONSTER TO HELL FOR KILLING OFF MR. ECKO!!

OH YEA I JUST REMEMBERED JIN MIGHT NOT BE COMING BACK AS A CHARACTOR….. DANIEL DAE KIM GOT PULLED OVER FOR DRUNK DRIVING IN HAWAII…!!! WHAT’S HAPPENED TO ALL THE OTHER ACTORS THAT GOT PULLED OVER??? GOT KILLED OFF ON THE SHOW!!!!

Well i theorise they have to go back because Widmore (working with Sun) has found the island in the flashforward and thats why Locke (Jeremy Bentham) has wound up in a coffin, killed off as the leader of The Others, protector of the island. All of the Oceanic 6 are now on a list to be executed(as they were meant to die in the plane crash already staged). Ben as we know can’t return to the island thats why he’s enlisted the help of Sayid to kill certain key Widmore assassins that are employed to kill the O6, but thats not enough so the Oceanic 6 all have to return to the island to stop Widmore’s men. Maybe using the Casimir effect of the island to go back in time to reverse events would be a reason to return to the island if they thought the events didnt pan out as planned, although who’s life ever does? Bit of a stretch the time travel bit but its Lost and it seems to be heading that way.

@Tyler
Is Jin definatley dead. Did we no see a flash forward of him in a previous episode?

SCOTT…..

ANOTHER GREAT QOUTE…

(NOT VERBATIM)”Ben, you killed everyone on the boat”

(VERBATIM Ben’s response) “So”…

aaaahahahahah man THAT WAS COLD!!!

I never thought it was Desmond in the coffin, I thought it would be Ben, but apparently it wasn´t.. Was Ben a ghost or was he alive?

And where can you find the extended press conference of Part One? I’m thinking those 3 because they’re dead anyways, but still were one of the main characters. FJ, maybe the bad things are when Withmore finds out.. And I can’t remember Adam & Eve from season 1, could you tell more about that? But was Penny ever on the island?

Jesse, I actually thought Sun wanted to work with Widmore because she wants to find Jin.

Walter, that would be a very good point imo.. Never thought about that. I also like your theory Jimmy. Guess we will find out next year.

Clyde, I was wondering why the hell Locke didn’t put that heart rate monitor on his own arm either, that would fix everything =S Or is it once it turns red, it can’t go back green?

What’s up with comments not coming through??

That’s a good point about Daniel Day Kim’s drink driving charge. We all know how strict they are with the actors about that kind of thing. Maybe it’ll turn out that Jin actually did die (although I doubt it).

Also, I would have liked Hurley to be playing backgammon with Mr. Eko as backgammon has been a constant theme in the series, although I did notice that they were playing chess, a game with black and white pieces.

I don’t think Penny and Dessy Boy will help them get back to the island, there is no way their characters will want to set foot back on that island!

not going to take credit for this one, but i saw this site on another thread.

http://www.timelooptheory.com

pretty extensive theory, but it nails the time travel aspect of LOST right on, and makes a ton of sense to the shows mysteries.

That’s odd.. I thought it was my computer/internet, glad it isn’t.

Chris
I like the theory but I don’t think that Hurley knowing the numbers fit since he actually got the numbers from someone in the mental institute he was in. Forgot the guys name but he went and visited his wife (I think in Australia) and she told him the whole story of the numbers are cursed.

Jones –

It was a while ago now but that ‘man’ in the mental asylum repeating the numbers, wasn’t he something to do with Dharma and it was hinted at he’d been to the island at some point? Not that it matters too much, although you have put gaping hole in my theory now

themanfromtalahasee!!!

Great point on Claire not talking about Aaron going back, but about Ben. I think your are the first one who commented on that.

Lost has a lot to do to explain this time travel stuff. There are so many theories out there that I cannot sort them out.

Hi,
Not too sure about the timeloop theory, but it wouldn’t be the first story to have ‘groundhog day’ elements to it. In particular Stephen King’s epic Dark Tower series follows a gunslingers quest across an alternate and desolate USA (and across time on various occasions). At the very end he gains the summit of the Dark Tower which has been his one goal throughout, only to climb through a hatch and find himself back at start of the same story to all intents and purposes……….

As for those that suggest the island moved in time rather than moving physically, I just don’t buy it. If that were the case a shift into the future would only give them temporary respite until the island appeared again, and anyone that knew of it’s existance would know exactly where to watch for its reappearance.

I am much more inclined to think it actually shifts to another location on the planet, hence accounting for polar bears on the island and polar bear skeletons being found in a desert. The other possibility is that it moves in both time and space……this would leave anyone seeking it (Widmore for instance) having to devote their entire time to monitoring for any bizarre events that might indicate it’s reappearance. Once it does reappear he would need to go after it hammer and tongs before one of the islanders paid the ultimate price once again and moved the island once more. This might account for why he resorts to going after it with a small and highly armed team of mercenaries whose aim is to kill all the inhabitants before they can decide to turn the crank again and him lose the window of opportunity for the next goodness knows how many years.

Also I had formed the opinion that the island was behind the rest of the world in its own timeslip. The rocket fired from the ship should have taken just a couple of minutes to reach the island but instead took 46 minutes. Suggesting to me that it became suspended in the ether somewhere until the island caught up to real time.

What did confuse me is why all of a sudden were the islanders able to see the ship? AAAAaaannnddd why didn’t the ship go through any strange storm. They were nowhere near the island in terms of sight when they were first about to head towards it…(remeber the scene with Michael and the Man with the steering wheel and throttle room…sorry don’t know my nautical language for ships) Michael tells the man what cordinance to follow…but the boat can’t move…hence…we discover the bomb…

So again, I ask….how in the world did the boat all of a sudden appear to the islanders when it wasn’t before???

That pissed me off!

I think Widmore is actually Sam Walton and he wants to use the island’s time travel powers to open the first Walmart in Washington DC in the late 1800’s. Having a Walmart on the Mason Dixon line will help prevent the civil war from happening.

I believe Sun wants to team with Widmore to get Ben. When she is talking to Widmore she says they have common interests, and adds that Widmore knows that they’re (the O6) not the only ones who left the island.

I think this conversation takes place after she has talked to Bentham (aka Locke undercover) about what happened to the freighter, Ben’s role in blowing it up, and the fact the he got off the island.

Also, I think Sun’s conversation with her dad takes place after her conversation with Widmore, as she is using Widmore’s money to buy her dad’s company. As everyone knows, airlines don’t have enough money to give displaced passengers large venture capital sums, and powerful Korean companies can’t be bought with peanuts.

Was I the only one who thought the escape of the O6 was not very satisfying, especially in light of having that extended LAX scene with Kate in which future Jack’s convinced they have to go back?

I think the frozen donkey wheel is cheesy in the minds of those wanting a more techno method of moving the island. The wheel is old school, like Jacob, who doesn’t like technology. Taping into the exotic matter has been around awhile, long before Dharma and their time traveling bunnies. Ben putting the metal into the Dharma chamber is symbolic, showing again that the Dharma folks were never masters of the island and its mysteries.

I am a true lost fan scince day 1, Did love the final episode overall, but there was a lot of cheese as someone elce said on this thread. The worst part of that epidode for me was the boat explosion (Pop). It looked like something you would see on a Ps1 or N64 game. whoever did the fx for the epidode should be removed from the lost team before anything elce gets blown up. I would have enjoyed a more “Rambo” style explosion(as it was the final ep and all)

Also i have just seen episode 1 season 1 again and it does look like bens Cosh/(Weapon)is next to jack in the jungle when he wakes up??????

“Polar Bears”

I belive that the polar bears were on the island as larger test subjects for the DI’s experiments.
We also know that bears have been found in the desert by Charlotte.
In epidode “The Shape of Things to Come” Ben is startled when he wakes up in the Sahara Desert wearing a winter jacket, this takes place immediately after he turns the wheel (I belive)
I think that before the DI or bens men used humans to turn the wheel, they used the bears as the wheel had holes in it that you could tie the collar to.
We already know that the bears could do tasks from s03 where “Tom” says , “It onnly took the bears two hours”
That ios my mini theory, Cheers!

I’m not sure if he can or cannot go back.

If he can, it wouldn’t be true the voice on the phone who rang Kate said “don’t bring him back”, because he’d be able to come back himself.

It was indeed strange he knew exactly where to go and what to do though.. Did he land in the future?

I think the island moves in time and space and it has moved before in the past as well. Ben said moving the island was a last resort, so I think whoever was in charge before moved it to where it was when 815 crashed. Maybe that person is Widmore and he’s trying to go back to the island. I think the island used to be in Tunisia (dont ask how an island can be in the desert, i have no idea) because Ben said he had been there before when he was checking into the hotel. Charlotte did her dig in Tunisia as well, where she found evidence of the Dharma Initiative.

Also, I think when Ben said he can’t go back, its not because he physically cant, but because the person who turns the wheel has no idea where the island goes.

One more thing… I think Charlotte might be the daughter of Ben’s friend or Ben’s friend herself, who was obviously born on the island and then maybe moved away. If she is Ben’s friend, he didn’t seem to recognize her and they should have been the same age… How old was Ben’s friend when she left? Could she have been pregnant? Is Ben the dad? I have watch that episode again!

Agreed on the Jin flashforward/back ordeal.

I’m halfway through writing the recap and a 2 hour finale = one heck of a long post!

Jin did jumped off the boat because when Sun’s daughter0s birth he bought her a panda.. remember?! or maybe he just is risen from death.. like that never happened in this serie!… that girl Wendy is a big fan! haha you just dont miss a thing!!
So what did Sawyer say to Kate?!?!?! What happened to the people in the boat with Daniel?! because they never make it to the boat when it blowed… and WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THE FREAKING “we have to go back”… just leave them alone!! haha..
good for Desmond!! loved his accent..
so we are waiting for 5th season.. then we will see and we will say!

so much for the Jin flashback being settled.

I’m not sure you can say that Abaddon doesn’t seem to age, the earliest time we see him timeline wise is when he is talking to John while he is in the wheel chair. Locke from what I gather tries to go on the walkabout a short time later (although I am not sure about the timeline here). The last we see of him timeline wise is the meeting with Hurley in the mental Inst. This puts his timeline at only like 4 maybe 5 years, very possible that you would see slim to no change in how old he looks.
I do think that he is an important charcter though and I think that he is the one that kills John. I am thinking there will be a scene in season 5 where Abaddon tries to collect on the “you will owe me one” (from when he meets John and tells him to go on the walkabout) and John refuses.

“I do think that he is an important charcter though and I think that he is the one that kills John. I am thinking there will be a scene in season 5 where Abaddon tries to collect on the “you will owe me one” (from when he meets John and tells him to go on the walkabout) and John refuses.” – I was thinking the exact same about him maybe killing John because of that when I read messeis’ post xD

WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF…..

You found out that Widmore actually part of the sience team that Russo was a part of and that “Robert” the man she loved was ACTUALLY …….WIDMORE!!!! AND THAT Alex was ACTUALLY her biological child….

Just a quick point on the island moving in space vs. time. I think that the island has to be movnig in both space and time. I would offer up for example the black rock. If at some point the island ‘popped’ to a new location that would explain how the ship got moored in the middle of the island. I don’t remember what was said about how the ship got there in the episode with the journal being bought, but just an idea. Admittedly there is a gap here in that if the island just blinks in and out of existence momentarily when ‘moving’ then the question is how long does it stay missing and could the ship have just been sailing through when it popped back in. My inclination though is that actual movement takes place.

I have just watched the finale episode and I do love it . . I am disappointed by the “donkey wheel” a little but I am sure the following seasons will clarify it. Here are some of my thoughts:

* Nobody mentioned Walt’s role in the following seasons. Remember ?? He came to Locke when Ben shot Locke in that hole then we didn’t see anything about him. Besides, remember the earlier seasons when it was said that Walt had some sort of power ? That wasn’t mentioned again. I still think that he has an important role and how did he get off the island ??!!

* The situation of Locke being in the coffin resembles that when Christian was in the coffin. But we gotta remember that Christian appeared not to be dead after all (season 3 finale @ the hospital). Yet, Christian moves like a ghost from one place to another, how ??

Acer, I think Walt got off the island when Ben gave him and his dad (Michael) a boat, no?

I’m not sure why yours are being picked up as spam either, there’s no IP block on it. Can you try leaving a comment with your email address as no@no.com and leave the URL field blank?

Ah yea, I don’t know how he got there.. Maybe because he’s “special”, he can transfer his body or something? o.O

And it’s fine now Scott, it’s weird but at least it’s good.

Hmmm, the episode did confuse me some what, so was v.glad to see I’m not the only one (however, I did think this was the last ever episode, doh!)

My tupence is this – where Ben turned the donkey wheel was v.cold – did the polar bears shown in earlier episodes come from there??!?

hey guys.
Jin is not dead, do you remember that episode when Sun delivered her baby and Hugo visited her, we see Jin running to a hospital with a Panda in his hands but to give it to his boss’s friend, it couldn’t be someone looks like Jin or a twin brother,allthough in this show you have to expect the inexpected. Anyway, if Jin is dead….who is the one with the panda?????????

If you read the above george the general consensus is that jin IS dead, as that was a flash back with the panda not a flash forward. and also remember in one episode didn’t sun and hurley visit jin’s grave?

you do have to expect the unexpected with lost so he may well appear again. he seemed pretty comfortable with staying on the island and more concerned about getting sun off, so who knows. but i think 99% he is gone.

i just read the theory on http://www.timelooptheory.com/ pretty good explanations on there :p i kind of get why there are polar bears and smoke monsters.

just one thing im still confused about is the role of jacks dad. who is he and what is his purpose/ link to Claire? remember he actually arrived on the island in a coffin? which im sure john locke will be doing in the near future with the other 6!

Ben

Scott maybe you should re-recap ji yeon in real big neon green letters.

Haha love it.

Anyone know who the African-American guy is who tells John to come and find him or w/e when he understands?

Woops… double post ^.^ lol

Nathan,

His name is Matthew Abaddon. Got to the Lostpedia and it will give you information on him

well…i jsut see chapter 13 of seaseon 4….but is 1h and 23min….then i think is 13 and 14 in one…should i download the 14 chapter? btw is true that only in 2009 is season 5 reales?

and….Wendy….cute girl ^_^

Hey, how about a new thread? Something to keep busy with until the season 4 dvd comes out?

hey what about shooting a 16 year old girl point blank in the head execution style on air T.V. ?

Yeah season 4 was just amazing, a tie with season 2 in my opinion.

I wish this site had a forum..

Ok so who can answer this? SciFi is replaying 4 hours of LOST each Monday. I’m watching now and I think it’s season 2. It’s the story of Walt and Michael right after Walt’s mother died. They are doing the flashbacks of that event.

Ok, well Brian (Walt’s mom’s new husband) goes to see Michael after she dies and tells him that he wants him to take Walt. Brian tells Michael that he purchased two tickets, one round trip and the other one-way from Sidney to New York.

If the tickets were Sidney to New York, how did he get on the Oceanic flight from Sidney to LA?

After watching the last episode of Season 4 I couldn’t believe how tacky the set designs were, what the f**k was that underground wheel in the snow that Ben used? It looked like a left over prop from The Neverending Story, from the 80’s.

My theory, Ben murdered Lock, Jack’s already dead.

I know this is a very late comment since Lost is already in season 5 but i just finished season 4 so i can’t help it… Some comments i have:

- I loved this quote, someone wrote it above. So true.
“Lost giveth and Lost taketh away”

- I love what you wrote Jesse (on May 30th, 2008 at 10:00 am Said)

- TO REITERATE REGARDING JIN’S FLASHBACK (coz others doesnt seem to understand this part). YES IT’S A FLASHBACK (Jin buying a panda, NOT for Sun but for a wife of an employee i guess, when he was still working under Sun’s DAD. Sun’s story was a FLASHFORWARD but Jin’s was a FLASHBACK. The writers just showed it in one episode to confuse us and make it more interesting! IN ANOTHER ONE OF SUN’S FLASHFORWARDS, SUN AND HURLEY WENT TO A CEMETERY WHERE JIN’S TOMBSTONE IS.

- to correct “jaque, mr ecko” — it’s actually ‘checkmate Mr. Ecko’

- And i also think that when Claire said, “dont you dare bring him back” he actually means Ben.

- the words sawyer whispered to kate in the helicopter before he jumped in the ocean is a promise that kate has to fulfill which has something to do with sawyer’s daughter, clementine. This is why in one scene jack arrived early and drank and said something like, “why is the baby sitter still in the house when he arrived and why kate was late.”

- about the donkey wheel, i don’t dislike it at all. these people took the words right out of my mouth. thank you…

—–messeis: I disagree with many of you. I liked the Donkey wheel thing. I think it was a very profound scene. Here you have Ben who for all intents and purposes was King; well here he has been humbled to a lowly servant pushing a great wheel Spartacus style only to be banished from his kingdom.
—-stratman: True, at first glance this seems cheesy, but in context it becomes more plausible….it has to be an ancient methodology, which is supported by the hieroglyphics on the walls, and remember the ancient statues on the coast, evidence of an ancient advanced civilzation
—-liam green: Donkey wheel is cheesy in the minds of those wanting a more techno method of moving the island. The wheel is old school, like Jacob, who doesn’t like technology

- sure, some of the effects in season 4 were bad, but it is overshadowed by the brilliant acting and storyline, the quite accurate historical connections of the series and the unpredictability of the show, which still makes LOST one of the best in TV.

- and FINALLY, thank you Scott for the discussions and recaps.