I gather that’s it for Desmond, atleast until Widmore figures back in…

Truly, one of the greatest single character story arcs in television history. He is by far my favorite character and has the best personal story, imho. So glad he got his Penny back… Just beautiful : )

I loved the Kenny Rogers reference and the comment about not putting metal in the machine, too. And when Ben said, “So?”, I almost threw my remote at the TV!! Bastard!

Oh. My. Freakin’, Goodness!!! That ROCKED!!! I was sure it was Desmond in the casket after all that “see you in another life” and “don’t let him find you” talk! I was getting ready to be very mad and very sad if it was. OMG!!

LOVED this episode.

I’m sure he changed his name so Widmore wouldn’t find him and kill him, which is exactly what I suspect happened anyway.

So, does Locke end up moving the island too, making it so he can’t go back and leading him to have to change his name, or does he just end up time/place traveling?? I wonder…

As for “Mc”Keamy, he was an awesome bad guy. Does he remind anyone else a bit of Christopher Walken in the way he talked?

I’m sure we’ll have people speculating, so what do we think Sawyer said to Kate? I think the last thing was “tell her I said I’m sorry” but I could’ve imagined that. If that was what he said, I think that further backs up what people guessed about Kate talking to Clementine and/or her Mom.

I’m holding out hope that Jin somehow jumped off the freighter before it exploded, but I know that is pretty farfetched.

I am still in shock.

I will be re-watching this weekend.

Well done Darlton (and the rest). Well done!

I guess we now know what the frozen donkey wheel is (or whatever the code name was).

OH!!!! I almost forgot…

Did anyone watch Part One again?

If so, then you know that in the extended press conference portion they revealed who the “8″ were that allegedly survived originally.

In case you didn’t, in addition to the 5 adults (Aaron didn’t count, just like someone suggested), Jack named Boone, Libby and Charlie. I’m curious why those 3?? I had hoped that Charlie would be one of them and that they would somehow fit in a story about him saving them in some way to pay homage to him, but that didn’t happen. No idea why Boone and Libby were named. I’m sure when I re-watch all the season DVDs (currently on disc 3 of season 1), I will be reminded of some grand gesture they each made.

Hi, I am in Australia and we dont get the final episode until next week. Who was in the coffin??

I was a bit dissapointed actually, they really didn’t answer anything but that Locke was in that coffin, which only sparked more questions. And I didn’t really like the scene when Ben turned the wheel and the island dissapeared, it was kind of corny and dumb.

But still it was a good episode, watching Lost for 3 hours was definetly fun. I was so nervous when the chopper went down and Jack was trying to revive Desmond, I was sure he was dead and so happy when he lived. Desmond is the best character.

I hope Micheal lived but i’m not really sure, Jin is definetly gone but I didn’t like him much anyway. It would seem like Locke is dead too, but I guess he could come back somehow.

A good season finale overall, but I wanted more answers not more questions!

KmX, Locke changed his name so as he wouldnt blow the Oceanic SIX cover story that no-one survived the crash. Also i want to know what happened to Daniel and everyone on the Zoidac Raft? Did they get sucked in by the purple sky along with the island?

A lot of talk about Desmond and Penny, let’s not forget that Ben wants to kill Penny! Also if there were any survivors from the ship, there is no longer an island for them to swim to!

One other thing I’m foggy on - didn’t we see Jin in a flash forward where he buys a teddy bear? Maybe I’m confused!!

Oh and Jerry, that episode we had Sun in a flashforward and Jin in a flashBACK running simultaneously to trick us into thinking it was happening together but Jin’s story was from before they crashed.

you all are fools ..ben is a bad bad man…i have watched season 5 promos..and have a leaked episode of season 5 ..ben s working with widmore..

Coffin scene - surprising to see that character in there for sure I thought it would be Dez. Especially the scenes leading up to that. Then I thought Hurley. The scene where the Island disappears is really something special. It just looked cool. Ben going through the tunnels to get to the wheel…so corny!
Def not many answers but it met my expectations. I’m sure changing the name to Jeremy Hetham was to avoid whidmore. Which didn’t work. What I thought was odd was everyone seemed to know that was his name. Walt, Hurley, Sayid, Kate, Jack, when each is told that he is dead they all know who it “really” is. I thought that was weird. I thought it was also odd that he told Jack that shit got all f-ed up after they left, I’m assuming that means lots of killing. But I thought he was the man for the island. To me Richard seems to always have on a diabolical face. He could be a bad guy.

Something that annoyed me - the Charlotte storyline….who f-ing cares! I’m more interested in Miles and why he seems to know things others don’t. And I’m not all into that either.

I’m tired of Ben. I’m done with the character. Guy shows up all over the place. Knows everything there is to know. Is always a step ahead. Its just expected now. The show is now basically his. He runs everything. Couldn’t be more annoying and frustrating at this point his scenes are so predictable its almost laughable.

End of season 6….thats when we will all get some answers, unless we get a Sopranos ending….in which case i’ll hurt someone.

Going to have to watch again to really get the scope. Why is jack such a puss bag?

Just re-watched “The Shape of Things to Come” and then “No Place Like Home (Part 2-3)” again. Seems pretty obvious that Widmore was once in Ben’s position on the Island, and that he was, for whatever reason, forced to turn the wheel, moving the island and being banished from it. That would explain the obsession with getting back, “possessing” the island, etc.
Excellent tease setting up a Desmond vs. Sayid showdown. Desmond protecting Penny vs. Sayid working for Ben to avenge his wife. That could be fun.
Locke’s death will probably not be permenant. Unless they use his death to change Jack into the “Man of Faith,” Locke has to be alive (in some when/where) to act as Jack’s foil.
Very interested to see what Ben’s ideas are concerning Kate and Aaron getting back to the island. Has to include Claire somehow.
I think we’re going to find that Charlotte is one of the original inhabitants of the island. The “…still looking for my birth place…” line triggers that. And, the Miles line about her being there before. By the way, that dude is creepy. Ken Leung = great actor. But still creepy.
Looking forward to Season 5.

Thought the episode was really cool but I’d love to know what jack could possibly have done to have Kate (she is smoking hot) hate him like that in the future. I don’t think the ultimate sacrifice Ben was making was dying (at least not immediately), i think the ultimate sacrifice was not ever returning to the island where I bet he was ageless just like that other “other”.

i do have a question….
i don’t remember the details but in a conversation between Ben and Locke before they head down that shaft they mention a guy named Jordan or Joshua or something like that and I had no idea what they were talking about..anyone remember that part?

I have the alternate endings, I will post later today. Basically it shows 2 other people in the casket instead of Locke.

Yeah, I, sadly, was not all that impressed with this episode. The island disappearing bit? TOTALLY anti-climatic - I mean, come on guys, the island basically dropped under the water or something in a split-second. It was almost boring, after the big build-up. I was glad to see who was in the coffin, but all that did was raise a million more questions, leaving me frankly more irritated than anything else. Was glad to see the reunion with Des and Penny - guess they had to throw us something!

The island moving scene was very disapointing. If you are going to go ahead with an off the wall concept you at least have to do it well. As a comparison look at the swan station, big build up, out to lunch idea, but des going down and turning that fail safe key (in my opinion) was pretty cool, because it was so well done. The donkey wheel was horrible, should/could have come up with something way better (felt like they were doing it for humour or something). I also would have liked to see a huge wave created from the islands move, although the ripple in the water was actually pretty cool (if they are going for the “like nothing was ever their angle”).
All in all the last scene made it for me, finding out Locke(since this is a thread on the finale I thought using his name was ok) was in the coffin was great. When they first started talking about who was in the coffin I was not very pleased (”Jeremy B.. who is that”) then they started with the don’t say his real name and I was getting pretty mad then finally in the end we got it and I must say for me it was worth the wait.
Lots more questions bearly any answers but I mean there are two more seasons and for a show like lost where everything seems to be related to everything else, if we knew any of those answers the show would be boring(for a lack of a better term).

did anyone see the ten commandments in the tunnel that ben was walking through to move the island

Another great quote from the night:
Hurley - Checkmate Mr. Eko!
Everything in the fast foward is 3 years from when they got off the island. So Walt and Aaron look as they should. Also Locke would have been on the island in charge of the others for 3 years before he got off and killed himself. And, since the island gave him his legs back, maybe it can bring him back to life. But if not, I’m thinking that we will be seeing “flashbacks” of the island during the 3 years the Oceanic 6 are gone and Locke will still be very much on the show through that.

I don’t think that the mention of Boone, Libby and Charlie as the other 3 that initially survived meant anything. It was just part of a made up story. They are still saying that they are dead now.

For some more observations that I made last night see http://connectwithyourteens.blogspot.com/2008/05/lost-season-4-finale.html

WHERE ARE ROSE AND BERNARD!!!??

If Charlotte is Annie (Ben’s friend from his youth) why would he have shot her in a previous episode? And he seems to know everything, wouldn’t he know who she was?
On Good Morning America they showed the two alternate endings and it was Sawyer and then Desmond in the casket. They said they shot 3 endings in case it got leaked.

?- if you can’t be killed off island if you’ve been there, how is it that Locke is dead?

Mike - I think Charlotte is too young to be Ben’s childhood friend.

Alos, who are the 2 people in the casket in the alternate endings? I had to TiVo “Good Morning America” today so I can find out after work.

I think Desmond may be back in a limited role next season, but I assume that he and Jack WILL meet again.

Jin is dead, the scene with him getting the big teddy bear was a flash back. In the same episode there was a flash forward of Sun and Hurley moarning at his grave.

But I still think Jin could be alive.

man, that was rocking, just how in the world did Lock end up in the coffin, and an interesting question here, do you think he is going to live again if they go back to the island, like christian shephard did?
oh and something else, when will the season 5 begin?

I thought the wheel thing was def weak. I loved the island disappearing…..that little ripple that came out I thought was cool and cool looking. What I thought was going to go down there was as Ben is turning the wheel he passes through the wall. Otherwise all in all it was weak looking. The helicopter crashing into the water was also weak. Jumping the shark is a little extreme. If he was alive again then i could agree….but him and claire just appear and disappear whenever i dont know what their deal is.
good episode…not great….finales should be great. season 3 was def better as far as finale goes.

This show is like a bonanza for philosophy majors. At least half of the major characters are named after a philosopher, and which philosopher’s name was chosen gives you an insight into their personality. Jeremy Bentham is credited not only for his Panopticon, but also for his work in normative ethics. He was a consequentialist (one who believes that actions are either right or wrong based on the consequences), and specifically a utilitarian (the right thing is one that brings the greatest amount of happiness to the greatest number of people.) Utilitarians would say that the sacrifice of one person is right, if it brings a great amount of happiness to more than one person. For example: let’s say that you are the leader of a band of people who inhabit a tropical island. You find out that everyone will die unless you die. The utilitarian (and Jeremy Bentham) would say that the right thing to do is to die - because only one person will experience a small amount of happiness while many people will experience a large amount of happiness.

The producers/writers of Lost must have taken more than a few philosophy classes on college. They have consistently named their major plot characters after famous philosophers, and it is no accident that those characters follow patterns of behavior that were advocated by their namesakes. I expect that this name change (Locke to Bentham) also signals a change in behavior. After all, John Locke was nobody’s hero - a patron of the wealthy upper class, he spent his time writing texts that supported the right of that class to rule. When his patron fell out of political favor, he was exiled and died in Holland, far from his native England.

Now he’s lying in a coffin, far from the island, with the name of one of the most famous utilitarians in history.

Coincidence? I think not.

The DONKEY WHEEL makes sense though, if it is attached to the central focus where all the electromagnetic energey is coming up from. The wheel would act like a nozzle allowing more energy to come through, into the chamber above with the metal in it. Which obviously would send the island into a random location and time… seeing as metal affects magnetism greatly.

Ben and Jack are going to have problems getting Kate and Aaron to go back, after her dream with claire telling her to never let him go back.

Ben is going after Penny, so Dez will ahve to defend her at some point.

When Locke gets back to the island, he will be resurrected like jack’s dad was, remember the coffin was empty, so it is jack’s dad, even if the body is possesed by jacob or something.

Miles can talk to dead people… so it seems, so he fits the role to be on the island especially when people are dying and still alive.

Sawyer got back to the island, but Jin did not, that we know of. He most likely was picked up by Dan on the rubber dingy, so either they made it back, or were sucked in teh war along with the island… or they will show up later in the series having made it to another island and back to civilization, at which point I think Sun will realize after she does something incredibly dangerous and can’t turn back… Sun is getting viscious!

CB-
I love the thought that Widmore was once the one in control. That makes perfect sense. He could have come over on the black rock and been one of the original hostiles and their leader. That is why he knew of the frozen donkey wheel and that it would only be used in the worse case scenario because he was banished before and knew Ben wouldn’t want to be banished too.
Bob-
They were talking about Jacob. One of the main forces/mysteries in Lost. Check out Lostpedia for more info on him.
Jesse-
Christian was also “bloodless” and in a coffin and has managed to come back. So I don’t see why it would be any different for Locke.

I disagree with many of you. I liked the Donkey wheel thing. I think it was a very profound scene. Here you have Ben who for all intents and purposes was King; well here he has been humbled to a lowly servant pushing a great wheel Spartacus style only to be banished from his kingdom.

Everyone seems to have missed the single most important quote of the whole episode, (If not the series)

Richard to Locke…

“Welcome Home John”

mark:

i don’t understand why ‘welcome home John’ was the most important quote. I thought it was just symbolic and Richard was saying it as in John is the new leader, and has reached his destined position as leader of the others. What do you think he meant by the comment?

2ndly
Correct me if im wrong, but wasn’t the whole point of Locke moving the island to protect it from Keamy and his men, and only to be used as a last resort. If so, then at the point the island was moved, Keamy himself and all of his men were already dead, therefore providing no logical reason to move the island. Fair enough if Widmore found the island once he could do it again, but surely they could have moved it later if neccessary.

Locke doesnt need to turn the wheel jus to get off the island. My guess is that he took the same mode of transportation Ben took to get off the island in the past. Im still very interested in the so called “magic box”, does anyone else think that Richard can possibly be Locke’s biological father. Why doesnt he age?

In the video that Ben gives John to watch on in the Orchid station the guy on the video says that objects “appear to” have dissaperaed . The video then cuts out . I think that the island moves forward briefly in time as we know it is already 46 mins ahead of time . This would then explain why it appeared to disspear to the guys in the helicopter. I think the island then returns to it’s usual place where Daniel and the guys on the raft find it as well as Jin who survived the explosion.

I just watched it now! Brilliant! I read an article online and the writer hit the nail on the head: “Lost giveth and Lost taketh away”. Questions are all answered with more questions!

Great ep, my favourite bits:

1) Sawyer throwing himself out of the chopper for Kate. Could that character BE any more attractive?!
2) Desmond and Penny reuniting. I cried!
3) Locke watching the video whilst in the background Ben is filling the hatch up with metal objects. Purely for the humour factor that Lost does well.
4) Sayid’s fight scene with Keamy. I’ve missed Sayid showing off his soldier training.

I agree with a lot of you that we haven’t seen the last of Desmond or Penny. Ben has vowed to kill her, so she’ll probably show up eventually.

And how come Locke wasn’t good enough for Richard when he was a child, but now he’s quite happy for him to be his leader?

Ya just gotta love this series….talk about hooking you in!!! Here’s my 2 cents-

Donkey wheel:
True, at first glance this seems cheesy, but in context it becomes more plausible….it has to be an ancient methodology, which is supported by the hieroglyphics on the walls, and remember the ancient statues on the coast, evidence of an ancient advanced civilzation…and think about a nuclear reactor…you control it by inserting or removing carbon rods; simple but effective…perhaps the same for a matter/anti-matter reaction contained in the islands magnetic vortex structure….a simple winch pulling quantities of charged substances closer.
Aren’t wacky theories wonderful…?

Of course, I would wonder why Ben ends up in Tunisia and not the rest of the island??? Maybe relative mass and position?

Island move: Why do it when the bad guys were dead? Most likely because the awareness of the islands whereabouts had gotten out to the wrong people…remember, even Penny was close, and she IS a Widmore, don’t forget that.

Helicopter crash: What was cheesy was the crash…why not have Frank at least bring the bird close to the water before the fuel runs out…Heli’s aren’t real good at soft landings (of course neither are airliners LOL), people usually die big time. They could have still played up the Desmond drowning thing (which was also so predictable and cheesy)…little Aaron surviving that crash?…That’s asking a lot of us….but they done that all along,huh? And we still love it. It will be a long year’s wait.

Tracy,

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Enjoy

If Locke took the heartbeat monitor off of Keamy and put it on himself, surely it would have activated as soon as it left Keamy’s pulse.

I think it’s kind of weird that it was on his arm anyway. I for one don’t have a pulse in my arm..at least I didn’t feel one. Locke should have stuck his finger underneath it so it picked up his pulse there.

The episode was amazing. Cheesy, but it answered so many of my questions. THe ending was so unexpected. I felt sorry for Walt when he is like, “No one came to see me.” Ben’s donkey wheel was weird, and they could have made moving the island…. I DONT KNOW. At least they gave us an answer. I do not think that Michael is dead because does he still have work to do? I hope so. I finally began to like him after i despised him for killing Ana Lucia and Libby. Jin is so so so dead. I was kind of disappointed, because at the beginning, Kate says that the day she escaped from the island was horrific, but it did not seem that horrific. I mean ya the boat exploding before her eyes, and the thought that she might have been able to save Jin, and maybe Sawyer jumping in the water. What will happen to CLAIRE????????? I need to know. She was one of my favorite characters!!!! I was so certain Jin and Juliet were the ones to die. Good thing i was half wrong. I like Juliet. i wonder if Juliet thinks that Sun, Jin, Jack and etc.. are all dead? What if Sawyer thinks that Kate is dead? What will he do? What will happen to the people on the beach, Juliet, Charlotte, Sawyer, Rose, Bernard, Miles? What will Locke and Richard do? How will Daniel get back to the beach? Was he also telaported with the Island? What were the bad things that happened to the Island? SO MANY QUESTIONS!!!!

I absolutely LOVED this episode! It answered a lot of questions for me and true to the Lost style, raised some more. I think it’s brilliant!

I’m thinking that moving the island was a movement in TIME–a time that sends them all back to civilization, and that’s how Ben and Locke and Sawyer (and probably all the others) managed to get back home.

I don’t understand why they need to go back to the island though. And what Sun wants with Widmore…

I DONT THNK LOCKE IS DEAD REMEMBER THE SPIDERS THAT WE THOUGHT KILLED THAT COUPLE WHO WERE BURIED ALIVE HMMM JUST A THOUGHT

Does anyone think Aaron will turn out to be someone special since he seems to have survived the only on-island birth? Either special like having Walt-like powers, or special as in Jacob’s soon-to-be leader?

Kat, Alex was born on the island also so Aaron wasn’t the only one, and the writers of Lost seem to be signaling us that Charlotte was also born there????!!!!. I agree with Blue on the island disappearing

“Lie to them, Jack… If you do it half as well as you lie to yourself, you’ll be fine”

AWESOME quote, it seems Locke got the last laugh with the whole leadership quarrel.

Lets talk theories; No-one think that the cave is frozen because it shows where the island could move to next when that wheel is turned, ie. antarctica or something? that would really change life on the island, it would be very interesting. That moving the island thing explains how the polar bears got there, I’m pleased they did that.

Also, everyone’s commenting on the irony when Locke is watching the film which clearly states there should be no metal put in the vault, which is exactly what Ben is doing in front of him. Yes…quite amusing…But does no-one think this explains ALOT? For me, this shows that Dharma’s research was experiments to see how long people would follow orders before rebelling against them. Dr. Edgar Halliwax also says “DON’T put any metal in the vault,’ or something similar, implying negative suggestion. For those of you who saw Derren Brown’s experiment on that you’ll understand.

Let me know what you think!!

The orchid orientation film says the vault is next to negative exotic matter-could this not be responsible for the cold temperature?

You’re all missing the point about the “fire” coming from the slit around the donkey wheel. It wasn’t fire, it was the heat and the sun from the dessert, where Ben gets dropped, a bit in the future.

Remember when Ben woke up in the dessert, his arm was injured (from falling down the ladder), and he had a heavy coat on? Turning the wheel zapped him into the future a few years and displaced him into the dessert, where he finds Sayid Coincidence? there are no coincidences in this show).

I just thought of the fact that a polar bear was in the same place that ben shows up(or pretty close) after he turns the wheel. Maybe they can move stuff like that in the chamber (the one that ben puts all the metal in) but I think it is more fun to think that they hooked up a polar bear to that donkey wheel to see what would happen (puff it’s gone).
As I remember, there was also some sort of line hooked up to the pulse thing on keamy’s arm that line could be measuring his pulse from anywhere.

I never thought it was Desmond in the coffin, I thought it would be Ben, but apparently it wasn´t.. Was