Just wanted to give everyone a place to discuss the season 4 finale until the recap goes up. Below are a few of my favorite quotes from the episode. To me, this has to go down as one of the best episodes of Lost to date.
Locke: “You do know he said not to put anything metal in there right?”
Sawyer calling Frank “Kenny Rogers”
Ben saying “So?” when Locke says he just killed everyone on the boat.
Christian Shepherd: “You can go now Michael”.
Frank: “Where’s the island??”
Ben: “I said all of you have to go back. We’re going to have to take… him.”
Now go for it! 
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Why does everyone believe that Ben can’t go back to the island ? How many times has he lied to Locke for his benefit or to keep John in the dark ? Just a thought
@Tyler
Is Jin definatley dead. Did we no see a flash forward of him in a previous episode?
EXCELLENT POINT WALTER!!!!
AND CHRIS!!! MAN WHAT A REVALATION!!! I THINK YOU ARE ON TO SOMETHING HERE WITH THAT THEORY… SO DO OU THING THE ISLAND WOULD BE THEIR CONSTANT????
There have been a number of time travel movis made where they have to go back to fix the future…. But then now that I think about it little more…the writters have also suggested that on can’t change avoid fate…(Desmond vs Charlie or Mr. Ecko avoiding his fate). the writter seem to sending two different approaches to time and its relationship to fate or destiny etc.
I am however, more drawn to your direction of them having to go back in time.
SCOTT…..
ANOTHER GREAT QOUTE…
(NOT VERBATIM)”Ben, you killed everyone on the boat”
(VERBATIM Ben’s response) “So”…
aaaahahahahah man THAT WAS COLD!!!
Walter, I don’t think Ben was lieing about not being able to get back.. He seemed to be on the point of crying when he pushed that frozen donkey wheel.
I never thought it was Desmond in the coffin, I thought it would be Ben, but apparently it wasn´t.. Was Ben a ghost or was he alive?
And where can you find the extended press conference of Part One? I’m thinking those 3 because they’re dead anyways, but still were one of the main characters. FJ, maybe the bad things are when Withmore finds out.. And I can’t remember Adam & Eve from season 1, could you tell more about that? But was Penny ever on the island?
Jesse, I actually thought Sun wanted to work with Widmore because she wants to find Jin.
Walter, that would be a very good point imo.. Never thought about that. I also like your theory Jimmy. Guess we will find out next year.
Clyde, I was wondering why the hell Locke didn’t put that heart rate monitor on his own arm either, that would fix everything =S Or is it once it turns red, it can’t go back green?
What’s up with comments not coming through??
I think Sun is going to be working with Widmore, I remember her saying to her father that she blaims two people for Jin’s death, one being her father and she doesn’t state the other one. I think in the last episode maybe when jack and ben are talking in the funeral home, jack says that sun blaims him for Jin’s death. Sun doesn’t know about keamy and the pulse monitor so naturally she blaims the person who wouldn’t wait for Jin (i.e. Jack). Also I find it hard to believe anything but Jin being dead. The helicopter was not so far away from the boat that they would not see Jin jump off the boat, also his promise to sun to get her off the island almost sealed his fate right there. Not to mention he got stopped for drunk driving.
Last thing, I read somewhere, can’t remember where, the obituary for Jeremy Bentham stated that he was survived by a teenage son(this information may be out to lunch so don’t read into it to much) not sure how that could happen seeing that is his fake name but I wanted to throw it out there anyway.
That’s a good point about Daniel Day Kim’s drink driving charge. We all know how strict they are with the actors about that kind of thing. Maybe it’ll turn out that Jin actually did die (although I doubt it).
Also, I would have liked Hurley to be playing backgammon with Mr. Eko as backgammon has been a constant theme in the series, although I did notice that they were playing chess, a game with black and white pieces.
I don’t think Penny and Dessy Boy will help them get back to the island, there is no way their characters will want to set foot back on that island!
Melissa – your comments were being marked as spam for some reason, but they are approved now.
not going to take credit for this one, but i saw this site on another thread.
http://www.timelooptheory.com
pretty extensive theory, but it nails the time travel aspect of LOST right on, and makes a ton of sense to the shows mysteries.
I think when Jack said that Sun blames me he did not finish the sentance are we beig led to believe that Sun blames him for Jin’s death or for somethng else seems Sun has been seperated from the rest of the Oceanic 6 as only Hurley turned up after the birth of her daughter if you remember Hurley’s Bday party Kate Sayid and Sayid’s Mrs were there surley something special like the birth of a child she confided in Kate about they woud have made the effort to go and see I know Kate is not allowed to travel as part of the deal she cut with the lawyers but I would have though caring Sayid would have gone ? I also 100 % think that Ben can go back to the island if he wants Im with the theory the island has not moved in actual location but maybe in time in the Dharma video that was played in the orchid the guy said objects appear to dissapear which is what happened when the guy’s were in the helicopter. We also saw that when the body of the doctor was washed up on the island it got they very quickly compared to the helicopter this could be that if you follow different bearings to the island you use different time zones ? But the only safe time zone is the one farraday gave across which does not cause any time travel sickness. As the doctor was already dead he was not affected like Desomnd. Also remember the previous time diffrence from the boat that fired the pay load to the island was 46 mins I think ?
That’s odd.. I thought it was my computer/internet, glad it isn’t.
To add to my above theory I’d like to add a point about Hurley and the idea of the whole show is in some sort of time loop, bare with me. If we assume the world of Lost is in a time loop because of an ‘incident’ as mentioned by Dharma then events of the show have already happened hence why we get flash forwards, flashbacks etc. For whatever reason Hurley had remembered the numbers he saw on the side of hatch on the island and when the time loop began again he remembered and used the numbers on the lottery which he won, the curse came about because Hurley should never have won the lottery and time was course correcting itself. Its a long shot theory but adds to the going back in time and the fact that they might be remembering parts from previous attempts to correct the future and the importance Jack has on going ‘back’. I’ve got a feeling that the end of the show will have the O6 changing events leading up to them getting on the plane from Australia or at very least remembering what is going to happen so they can go rescue Desmond, put Ben out of his misery, stop Widmore etc, etc…
Chris
I like the theory but I don’t think that Hurley knowing the numbers fit since he actually got the numbers from someone in the mental institute he was in. Forgot the guys name but he went and visited his wife (I think in Australia) and she told him the whole story of the numbers are cursed.
Hi all
Just like to run a theory past you all, im from ireland and seen the finale last night on tv (absolutely amazing episode), and what hit me was the possibility that in kates dream with claire, claire wasnt talking about aaron when she said “dont bring him back” she was actually talkin about…………….DUN DUN DAAAAAAA Ben. Dont forget that he was effectivly exiled from the island by jacob when he moved the island. We seen in the last scene that ben is trying to align himself with the O6(who seem destined to return to the island) so that he may also return to the island and take back what was his possibly!!!
Jones –
It was a while ago now but that ‘man’ in the mental asylum repeating the numbers, wasn’t he something to do with Dharma and it was hinted at he’d been to the island at some point? Not that it matters too much, although you have put gaping hole in my theory now
THEMANFROMTALLAHAASSEE……
I LOOOOVVVVEEE IT!!!!!!! I have to tell that scene was the only scene that reaaaallllyy bothered and upset me at the time I saw it. I said to myself….”This just makes NO sense at all since we are lead to believe the all the O6 need to come back then that scene is thrown into the loop”!
I have to agree with you…That she is talking about Ben….hmmmmm or maybe even DUN DUN DAAAAAAAAA Widmore.
themanfromtalahasee!!!
Great point on Claire not talking about Aaron going back, but about Ben. I think your are the first one who commented on that.
Lost has a lot to do to explain this time travel stuff. There are so many theories out there that I cannot sort them out.
Melissa – It dawned on me over the weekend that, if memory serves, each person Jack mentioned died in different seasons (Boone in S1, Libby in S2 and Charlie in S3). I have no idea why he picked those three specifically, but maybe that wasn’t meant to mean anything (but since when have the writers not put more than one meaning in everthing they do? Except maybe the Paolo and Nikki episode.
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Also, for Adam and Eve, remember waaaaay back in the first season when Jack moved people to the caves for shelter and fresh water (I didn’t until I started re-watching the season)? There were 2 corpses in the caves – one male and one female. They referred to them as Adam and Eve. One interesting note is that there was a pouch containing a white marble and a black marble (they looked semi-flat, like maybe backgammon pieces) in one of their pockets. I don’t believe they’ve ever elaborated on that though.
Hi,
Not too sure about the timeloop theory, but it wouldn’t be the first story to have ‘groundhog day’ elements to it. In particular Stephen King’s epic Dark Tower series follows a gunslingers quest across an alternate and desolate USA (and across time on various occasions). At the very end he gains the summit of the Dark Tower which has been his one goal throughout, only to climb through a hatch and find himself back at start of the same story to all intents and purposes……….
As for those that suggest the island moved in time rather than moving physically, I just don’t buy it. If that were the case a shift into the future would only give them temporary respite until the island appeared again, and anyone that knew of it’s existance would know exactly where to watch for its reappearance.
I am much more inclined to think it actually shifts to another location on the planet, hence accounting for polar bears on the island and polar bear skeletons being found in a desert. The other possibility is that it moves in both time and space……this would leave anyone seeking it (Widmore for instance) having to devote their entire time to monitoring for any bizarre events that might indicate it’s reappearance. Once it does reappear he would need to go after it hammer and tongs before one of the islanders paid the ultimate price once again and moved the island once more. This might account for why he resorts to going after it with a small and highly armed team of mercenaries whose aim is to kill all the inhabitants before they can decide to turn the crank again and him lose the window of opportunity for the next goodness knows how many years.
Also I had formed the opinion that the island was behind the rest of the world in its own timeslip. The rocket fired from the ship should have taken just a couple of minutes to reach the island but instead took 46 minutes. Suggesting to me that it became suspended in the ether somewhere until the island caught up to real time.
hey the finale was amazing!!
i was reading thru some of the comments above and a few people have said they think that ‘eko’ (in the finale hugo says ‘thats checkmate eko’) may be a new character, but if i remember correctly eko died on the island and was killed by a ‘dark fog’ he was a former nigerian soldier and drug dealer who killed 3 memebers of the others and didnt speak for like 40 days becasue he was grief striken even though it was in self defence.
What did confuse me is why all of a sudden were the islanders able to see the ship? AAAAaaannnddd why didn’t the ship go through any strange storm. They were nowhere near the island in terms of sight when they were first about to head towards it…(remeber the scene with Michael and the Man with the steering wheel and throttle room…sorry don’t know my nautical language for ships) Michael tells the man what cordinance to follow…but the boat can’t move…hence…we discover the bomb…
So again, I ask….how in the world did the boat all of a sudden appear to the islanders when it wasn’t before???
That pissed me off!
You are 100% correct Steve…. No offense to those who didn’t know but it is great that you were able to update them. Hopefully they will get the previous seasons….
I think Widmore is actually Sam Walton and he wants to use the island’s time travel powers to open the first Walmart in Washington DC in the late 1800′s. Having a Walmart on the Mason Dixon line will help prevent the civil war from happening.
Wow, after reading all of your theories, I am now more confused than before.
I agree and disagree with all of y’all on many counts. But, that doesn’t matter now.
I’d just like to make it clear that the writers are not so mean as to fake a character’s death, let alone a main character. Jin’s dead. As is Michael. Sure, I mean, they’ve had, for example, Keamy getting shot, but it was revealed in the SAME episode that he was alive. They wouldn’t torture us for an entire eight months. I don’t like it either, but I have to face it. He’s gone.
I believe Sun wants to team with Widmore to get Ben. When she is talking to Widmore she says they have common interests, and adds that Widmore knows that they’re (the O6) not the only ones who left the island.
I think this conversation takes place after she has talked to Bentham (aka Locke undercover) about what happened to the freighter, Ben’s role in blowing it up, and the fact the he got off the island.
Also, I think Sun’s conversation with her dad takes place after her conversation with Widmore, as she is using Widmore’s money to buy her dad’s company. As everyone knows, airlines don’t have enough money to give displaced passengers large venture capital sums, and powerful Korean companies can’t be bought with peanuts.
Was I the only one who thought the escape of the O6 was not very satisfying, especially in light of having that extended LAX scene with Kate in which future Jack’s convinced they have to go back?
I think the frozen donkey wheel is cheesy in the minds of those wanting a more techno method of moving the island. The wheel is old school, like Jacob, who doesn’t like technology. Taping into the exotic matter has been around awhile, long before Dharma and their time traveling bunnies. Ben putting the metal into the Dharma chamber is symbolic, showing again that the Dharma folks were never masters of the island and its mysteries.
themanfromtallahassee, I like your theory about it being Ben, not Aaron, didn’t think about that! And yes, it’s probably that the guy was in a mental institute..
Characters from every season is a good point Wendy.. Ah yes, I remember that vaguely. Anyone have a picture of them Adam & Eve? I’d like to see them again.
I am a true lost fan scince day 1, Did love the final episode overall, but there was a lot of cheese as someone elce said on this thread. The worst part of that epidode for me was the boat explosion (Pop). It looked like something you would see on a Ps1 or N64 game. whoever did the fx for the epidode should be removed from the lost team before anything elce gets blown up. I would have enjoyed a more “Rambo” style explosion(as it was the final ep and all)
Also i have just seen episode 1 season 1 again and it does look like bens Cosh/(Weapon)is next to jack in the jungle when he wakes up??????
“Also, I think Sun’s conversation with her dad takes place after her conversation with Widmore, as she is using Widmore’s money to buy her dad’s company”
I can see where your comin from but Cant say i agree there “Liam Green”, Sun says to her dad that Ocianic had paid a fair compensation of money to her. I belive this takes place before her meet with Witmore
“Polar Bears”
I belive that the polar bears were on the island as larger test subjects for the DI’s experiments.
We also know that bears have been found in the desert by Charlotte.
In epidode “The Shape of Things to Come” Ben is startled when he wakes up in the Sahara Desert wearing a winter jacket, this takes place immediately after he turns the wheel (I belive)
I think that before the DI or bens men used humans to turn the wheel, they used the bears as the wheel had holes in it that you could tie the collar to.
We already know that the bears could do tasks from s03 where “Tom” says , “It onnly took the bears two hours”
That ios my mini theory, Cheers!
I think Ben is lying when he says that he can never return to the island after turning the wheel. When he wakes up in the in the desert after turning the wheel he knows exactly where to go. He checks into a hotel to which 1, he has been there before and 2, he is a preferred guest. I think that he has used the wheel before or at the very least used the bear to find out where the wheel placed whoever turned it. Ben always has a plan we just need to wait to see what it is.
I’m not sure if he can or cannot go back.
If he can, it wouldn’t be true the voice on the phone who rang Kate said “don’t bring him back”, because he’d be able to come back himself.
It was indeed strange he knew exactly where to go and what to do though.. Did he land in the future?
mmk wow
first of all… people need to stop being dumbasses who think they know their lost shit and still think that the episode with jin and the panda is a flshforward. its not. and i hope the comments about that end now.
alright. i loved the theory that widmore is totally the old leader of the island. it makes a ton of sense. do this fit into the fact that he bought that journal (in a flashback with des) that was from The Black Rock?? That makes the theory kind of not make sense. but who knows… someone convince me please.
and as far as the ben with the parka on, disapearing and then ending up in the desert 3 years later. do we think he went straight from turning the wheel to the desert where he finds sayid. cause that doesnt seam to make any sense at all. but he has the same cut on him. i want thoughts on this too.
ANNNNND no one has been talking about that creepy Abaddon guy! Who the fuck is he!? He knew locke before the crash in the hospital. he seams to be working with widmore (his conversation with naomi) but then again he was like in the past with locke.. meaning he has richard like qualities of being all spooky n whatnot in the past and the present (and never aging!)
and just to vent.. im so sick of not knowing who JACOB is!
I think the island moves in time and space and it has moved before in the past as well. Ben said moving the island was a last resort, so I think whoever was in charge before moved it to where it was when 815 crashed. Maybe that person is Widmore and he’s trying to go back to the island. I think the island used to be in Tunisia (dont ask how an island can be in the desert, i have no idea) because Ben said he had been there before when he was checking into the hotel. Charlotte did her dig in Tunisia as well, where she found evidence of the Dharma Initiative.
Also, I think when Ben said he can’t go back, its not because he physically cant, but because the person who turns the wheel has no idea where the island goes.
One more thing… I think Charlotte might be the daughter of Ben’s friend or Ben’s friend herself, who was obviously born on the island and then maybe moved away. If she is Ben’s friend, he didn’t seem to recognize her and they should have been the same age… How old was Ben’s friend when she left? Could she have been pregnant? Is Ben the dad? I have watch that episode again!
and court, thank you for silencing the ppl who think Jin’s epi was a flashfwd…
and yes ben goes from tunisia straight to Sayid because he sees him on TV while checking in…
if widmore was in charge and turned the wheel to move the island in the past, maybe he’s trying to collect any info possible to understand where the island may be.
Agreed on the Jin flashforward/back ordeal.
I’m halfway through writing the recap and a 2 hour finale = one heck of a long post!
agreed on the jin flash forward thing….it does get annoying…..
Jin did jumped off the boat because when Sun’s daughter0s birth he bought her a panda.. remember?! or maybe he just is risen from death.. like that never happened in this serie!… that girl Wendy is a big fan! haha you just dont miss a thing!!
So what did Sawyer say to Kate?!?!?! What happened to the people in the boat with Daniel?! because they never make it to the boat when it blowed… and WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH THE FREAKING “we have to go back”… just leave them alone!! haha..
good for Desmond!! loved his accent..
so we are waiting for 5th season.. then we will see and we will say!
oohh and that part fo “jaque, mr ecko” was freaaaaaking goosebumper!!
so much for the Jin flashback being settled.
Wow, I was going to say that court was kinda harsh but seeing that no one is actually reading the posts maybe not.
NP
Thanks for the reminder about the black rock journal, I completely forgot about that. Kinda puts a wrench in the whole theory, too bad I really liked that one.
Maybe it could be explained by a group of people from the black rock being exiled? I was thinking that Abaddon may have been with Widmore as well, partly because of what court mentioned about him never seaming to age either. Especially since he also knew something was special about Locke, telling him he would owe him one later. Possibly something to do with getting back to the island? More so since he was asking Hurley if they were still alive on the island.
Ok, just some rambling thoughts now.
I’m not sure you can say that Abaddon doesn’t seem to age, the earliest time we see him timeline wise is when he is talking to John while he is in the wheel chair. Locke from what I gather tries to go on the walkabout a short time later (although I am not sure about the timeline here). The last we see of him timeline wise is the meeting with Hurley in the mental Inst. This puts his timeline at only like 4 maybe 5 years, very possible that you would see slim to no change in how old he looks.
I do think that he is an important charcter though and I think that he is the one that kills John. I am thinking there will be a scene in season 5 where Abaddon tries to collect on the “you will owe me one” (from when he meets John and tells him to go on the walkabout) and John refuses.
Jones
You are right that is a relatively short time period we see him in to assume that he doesn’t age. Just grasping at straws now that the seasons over I guess.
“I do think that he is an important charcter though and I think that he is the one that kills John. I am thinking there will be a scene in season 5 where Abaddon tries to collect on the “you will owe me one” (from when he meets John and tells him to go on the walkabout) and John refuses.” – I was thinking the exact same about him maybe killing John because of that when I read messeis’ post xD
OMG – I wept bucket loads over these last episodes. They were absolutely fantastic. Penny and Desmond are re-united at last. Sun has been parted from Jin (although I dont think he is dead). Juliett – she never got to say goodbye to Jack, and how good did sawyer look when he walked out of the water!!! Who does Charlotte belong to then since we have discovered she was born on the island?? Does anyone know why it was all frozen up and cold where Ben went to turn the wheel – i’m a little confused on this. I just cannot wait for the next series. One theory being thrown out at the mo is that charles widmore used to own that island and he at some point had to do what ben did and leave the island leaving ben in charge and now Richard wants Locke to be in charge so now ben has had to leave (cutting a long story short). Do we think locke is dead, or is he somehow faking his death to lure the oceanic 6 back to the island ??? Has the island actually moved position or has it just moved in time, and if its time has it moved back or forward in time. help!!!
WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF…..
You found out that Widmore actually part of the sience team that Russo was a part of and that “Robert” the man she loved was ACTUALLY …….WIDMORE!!!! AND THAT Alex was ACTUALLY her biological child….
Jason
) and when has that ever worked out with this show.
“…WIDMORE!!!! AND THAT Alex was ACTUALLY her biological child….” I think you meant his not her there as we are pretty sure that alex is Rousseo’s daughter.
I do like that idea though, it is very lostish. Makes a great likeness to Penney (his daughter) looking for Des. My only thing that tells me no off hand is the fact that Widmore apparently gave orders to kill everyone but Ben on the island. Don’t think he would want to kill his daughter or grand-daughter. But again that is just me trying to figure stuff out with logical thinking (I think anyway
Just a quick point on the island moving in space vs. time. I think that the island has to be movnig in both space and time. I would offer up for example the black rock. If at some point the island ‘popped’ to a new location that would explain how the ship got moored in the middle of the island. I don’t remember what was said about how the ship got there in the episode with the journal being bought, but just an idea. Admittedly there is a gap here in that if the island just blinks in and out of existence momentarily when ‘moving’ then the question is how long does it stay missing and could the ship have just been sailing through when it popped back in. My inclination though is that actual movement takes place.
I really like that idea of how the black rock ship ended up in the middle of the island. And since I’m still of the opinion Widmore was on the ship that would explain how he got to be on the island originally.
I have just watched the finale episode and I do love it . . I am disappointed by the “donkey wheel” a little but I am sure the following seasons will clarify it. Here are some of my thoughts:
* Nobody mentioned Walt’s role in the following seasons. Remember ?? He came to Locke when Ben shot Locke in that hole then we didn’t see anything about him. Besides, remember the earlier seasons when it was said that Walt had some sort of power ? That wasn’t mentioned again. I still think that he has an important role and how did he get off the island ??!!
* The situation of Locke being in the coffin resembles that when Christian was in the coffin. But we gotta remember that Christian appeared not to be dead after all (season 3 finale @ the hospital). Yet, Christian moves like a ghost from one place to another, how ??
As Brandon mentioned many comments ago, the website http://www.timelooptheory.com offers a really good explanation of the time travel and island/real world time issues. It also gives a pretty plausible explanation on why some die at the hands of the smoke monster. I’ve always wondered why Mr. Echo got axed by it and I think I finally have answers.
I also look forward to answers about Mr. Abbadon. Great actor as he has the creepy/quasi sleazy part down to a science.
Acer, I think Walt got off the island when Ben gave him and his dad (Michael) a boat, no?
Idk why, but Scott, I’m thinking this IP is banned from here or so =S Do you have an IP list in a control panel or something? Cause my posts keep ‘appearing as spam’ =S
I’m not sure why yours are being picked up as spam either, there’s no IP block on it. Can you try leaving a comment with your email address as no@no.com and leave the URL field blank?
I mean afterwards Melissa. Remember @ season 3 when Ben shot Locke, then Walt appeared to Locke. That was after the boat thing.
Ah yea, I don’t know how he got there.. Maybe because he’s “special”, he can transfer his body or something? o.O
And it’s fine now Scott, it’s weird but at least it’s good.
With my normal e-mail btw.
Hmmm, the episode did confuse me some what, so was v.glad to see I’m not the only one (however, I did think this was the last ever episode, doh!)
My tupence is this – where Ben turned the donkey wheel was v.cold – did the polar bears shown in earlier episodes come from there??!?
michael has definately gone. remember he couldnt die when leaving the island, it wasnt possible. the scene where that guy, christian said, “thats all now michael” surely indicates he has departed.
why was jack visiting the parlour in the first place, i thought it was to confirm he dad is dead? but when opening it we see a dead john locke with the alias bentham. why is locke there anyway? he so badly wanted to stay.
and who is Fenwick!! ?? didnt ben visit him in that posh london hotel and fenwick said “its my island” or was that just widmore under a different alias.
ben cannot go back to the island, now hes left. and possibly the same for widmore. i agree he may have been a previous inhabitant, who is in desperate search to return but cant.
great ending but too many questions and not enough answers in my oppinion
hey guys.
Jin is not dead, do you remember that episode when Sun delivered her baby and Hugo visited her, we see Jin running to a hospital with a Panda in his hands but to give it to his boss’s friend, it couldn’t be someone looks like Jin or a twin brother,allthough in this show you have to expect the inexpected. Anyway, if Jin is dead….who is the one with the panda?????????
George you make me
If you read the above george the general consensus is that jin IS dead, as that was a flash back with the panda not a flash forward. and also remember in one episode didn’t sun and hurley visit jin’s grave?
you do have to expect the unexpected with lost so he may well appear again. he seemed pretty comfortable with staying on the island and more concerned about getting sun off, so who knows. but i think 99% he is gone.
i just read the theory on http://www.timelooptheory.com/ pretty good explanations on there :p i kind of get why there are polar bears and smoke monsters.
just one thing im still confused about is the role of jacks dad. who is he and what is his purpose/ link to Claire? remember he actually arrived on the island in a coffin? which im sure john locke will be doing in the near future with the other 6!
Ben
What makes me constantly think – is how peoples on the island been a bit in time ahead regarding ppl on the freighter can talk over the radio-phone in real time.
Remember that scene with dock’s throat cut.
It seems that for radio-waves there is no time shifting.
Ppl from different time can talk to each other – no problem. Only material objects seems a subject to manipulation.
All this means that that even if the island disappeared,
it is still possible to communicate with the people on
in using conventional radio sets.
Scott maybe you should re-recap ji yeon in real big neon green letters.
Haha..Look below the submit comment button.
Maybe this will do the trick!
Haha love it.
Is this not a fan site?
Most of the comments here seem to be from people who have not watched the show, or were not paying attention
Jin with the panda was flashBACK, intercut with Sun in flashFORWARD to keep us guessing til the end of the episode. Did you people get bored and not watch the end of the episode!
Its not even close to being one of the more intricate tricks the writers have pulled. You can all see sense in timeloop and exotic matter theories, but can’t grasp that?!?!? you should not be allowed up late enough to watch lost!!!
Anyone know who the African-American guy is who tells John to come and find him or w/e when he understands?
Anyone know who the African-American guy is who tells John to come and find him or w/e when he understands? From the flashback.
Woops… double post ^.^ lol
Bloody Hell!! What a GREAT FINAL EPISODE! Who knew Sayeed wore a wig!! Tell you what though…. i`m sure im not the only one who noticed, but when that chopper started losing fuel, did anyone else notice that it should have had a better viscosity! But the question on everybodys lips is………….. HOW THE HELL DID UNCLE FESTER END UP IN THAT COFFIN ??????
DIDDLE DIDI, CLICK CLICK, DIDDLE DIDI CLICK CLICK….THEIR OOKY AND THEIR GOOKY……………
Nathan,
His name is Matthew Abaddon. Got to the Lostpedia and it will give you information on him
I know it’s a little late but I would just like to say that I don’t think Jin is dead… but he very well may be because the show is unpredictable. The flash of him with the panda bear that everyone keeps saying shows him in the future was the past because he said that he just got married 2 months ago and didn’t have any children yet. I hate the fact that Jack has gone crazy… I’ve waited 4 years for him and Kate to end up together. They kissed a couple times up until the season 4 finale where they showed the future. I definitely think the secret with Kate was that Sawyer told her to check up on his daughter Clementine which ultimately made Jack not trust her which made me angry. I’m still confused on who is the ultimate bad guy, Widmore or Ben? I know they both are bad.
well…i jsut see chapter 13 of seaseon 4….but is 1h and 23min….then i think is 13 and 14 in one…should i download the 14 chapter? btw is true that only in 2009 is season 5 reales?
and….Wendy….cute girl ^_^
Hey guys! I think ben and locke might be half brothers..
Both mom’s names are emily and they are both blonde..
and ben and locke are both tease by richard alpert when they were child..
alsoo when locke is in highschool his principal is telling him about a company in portland about chemistry called mitellos laboratories and he said..” i spoke with a Dr. Alpert, He is very interesting in finding young bright minds and they want you to go to their camp these summer”..
I think richard alpert had to choose between the 2 brothers a leader for his people and he chose the wrong one.
That’s why ben fel so threatened about locke being with his people and being able to listen to jacob..
what do u think about that???
sorry aboout my mistakes my english is not so good
Hey, how about a new thread? Something to keep busy with until the season 4 dvd comes out?
Mmh… People here have been too excited to listen carefully at the episode I guess.
Michael is dead : Christian saying “you can go now” is an obvious reference to his previous failed suicide attempts.
Mikhail (Patchy) since someone asked : dead by exploding his hand grenade to drawn Charlie
Jin : most presumably dead (his panda episode is a flash BACK : if not, why would he say he’s married since two months ?)
Daniel and the rafty crew : most presumably back on the island. BTW, Jeremy Davies, the actor playing Dan has no current filming listed under the imdb.
Charlotte being the one kid Ben was playing with : ages are not matching at all (she’s said to be born in 1978 by Ben, who is said to be 41 on lostpedia – which sounds about correct when you look at the clothes worn by his parents at his birth)
hey what about shooting a 16 year old girl point blank in the head execution style on air T.V. ?
Yeah season 4 was just amazing, a tie with season 2 in my opinion.
i just dont understand where did the island go how did it move?? and y they had to lie??
I wish this site had a forum..
Ok so who can answer this? SciFi is replaying 4 hours of LOST each Monday. I’m watching now and I think it’s season 2. It’s the story of Walt and Michael right after Walt’s mother died. They are doing the flashbacks of that event.
Ok, well Brian (Walt’s mom’s new husband) goes to see Michael after she dies and tells him that he wants him to take Walt. Brian tells Michael that he purchased two tickets, one round trip and the other one-way from Sidney to New York.
If the tickets were Sidney to New York, how did he get on the Oceanic flight from Sidney to LA?
I have a question about Seasean $,i hope some body answer me.
In the end of it ,The body of jun luck was showed,it made missunderestanding for me because jun luck staied on island as a leader of others.if somebody can clear it for me please answer me.
(I like lost toomuch)
Best Regards
After watching the last episode of Season 4 I couldn’t believe how tacky the set designs were, what the f**k was that underground wheel in the snow that Ben used? It looked like a left over prop from The Neverending Story, from the 80′s.
My theory, Ben murdered Lock, Jack’s already dead.
that wheel is the stupidest thing, i agree to that. the “we are going to have to move the island” is difficult to understand since the island is just timetravelling BUT islands have been there forever and the time travelling is only back for a few years or months… so there is a discrepancy
I know this is a very late comment since Lost is already in season 5 but i just finished season 4 so i can’t help it…
Some comments i have:
- I loved this quote, someone wrote it above. So true.
“Lost giveth and Lost taketh away”
- I love what you wrote Jesse (on May 30th, 2008 at 10:00 am Said)
- TO REITERATE REGARDING JIN’S FLASHBACK (coz others doesnt seem to understand this part). YES IT’S A FLASHBACK (Jin buying a panda, NOT for Sun but for a wife of an employee i guess, when he was still working under Sun’s DAD. Sun’s story was a FLASHFORWARD but Jin’s was a FLASHBACK. The writers just showed it in one episode to confuse us and make it more interesting! IN ANOTHER ONE OF SUN’S FLASHFORWARDS, SUN AND HURLEY WENT TO A CEMETERY WHERE JIN’S TOMBSTONE IS.
- to correct “jaque, mr ecko” — it’s actually ‘checkmate Mr. Ecko’
- And i also think that when Claire said, “dont you dare bring him back” he actually means Ben.
- the words sawyer whispered to kate in the helicopter before he jumped in the ocean is a promise that kate has to fulfill which has something to do with sawyer’s daughter, clementine. This is why in one scene jack arrived early and drank and said something like, “why is the baby sitter still in the house when he arrived and why kate was late.”
- about the donkey wheel, i don’t dislike it at all. these people took the words right out of my mouth. thank you…
—–messeis: I disagree with many of you. I liked the Donkey wheel thing. I think it was a very profound scene. Here you have Ben who for all intents and purposes was King; well here he has been humbled to a lowly servant pushing a great wheel Spartacus style only to be banished from his kingdom.
—-stratman: True, at first glance this seems cheesy, but in context it becomes more plausible….it has to be an ancient methodology, which is supported by the hieroglyphics on the walls, and remember the ancient statues on the coast, evidence of an ancient advanced civilzation
—-liam green: Donkey wheel is cheesy in the minds of those wanting a more techno method of moving the island. The wheel is old school, like Jacob, who doesn’t like technology
- sure, some of the effects in season 4 were bad, but it is overshadowed by the brilliant acting and storyline, the quite accurate historical connections of the series and the unpredictability of the show, which still makes LOST one of the best in TV.
- and FINALLY, thank you Scott for the discussions and recaps.
I am a affiliate of the church choir and tomorrow we will be presenting our talents at a wedding. I’ll be presenting at such an event and I can’t wait to see the bride and groom. They are both lovely and good people in our town.
This was in fact a wonderful posting
“For I know the plans I have for you personally, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to provide you with a hope and a future.” Jeremiah 29:11 Loved the final resolution
. ? I know something that has constantly helped me with that is remembering how God has worked things out for me in the past, so when I encounter a hard scenario, I can return to that time that God worked it out prior to and be confident that He can do it once more 
. God bless!