We love you too Scott!

WHAT AT EPISODE!!!! THAT WAS GREAT!!!!!! WAS ANYONE ELSE SAD!

anyone know where I can download livestream this episode as yet ?

lolo thanks just watching now

I thought it was a good episode, not great, I found I was left waiting for stuff to happen alot. Alot of walking through the jungle, I think I may have expected to much though as I sort of thought they would reveal why those 6 got off the island.
I now think the thing on Keamy’s arm is linked to the C4 on the boat if he dies the boat sinks and now one on board lives to tell about it.

Got it =)
Didn’t think it’d come out before tomorrow. What time was it in the USA?

SCOTT!!! I AGREE IT WAS WEAK!!!! I ALSO WISH THEY WOULD MAKE THEIR MIND UP WITH LOCKE!!! ONE MINUTE HE’S A MAVERICK THEN NEXT HE’S A TINY LITTLE KNAT AT A PICNIC…(JUST WANTS TO EAT BUT ANNOYING THE PICNICERS). I get so excited for Locke when it seems he is discovering his destiny….then it gets trumped by some incident or another…Like…. When Ben made his comment to him “It’s none of your business John…” it just reminded everyone (audience how much Locke just doesnt know and how much Ben reeeeaaallly knows Locke doesn’t know much and just isn’t ready to give that information) It almost seems Ben is holding him back…

Scott did you catch the preview for the finally when Locke confronts Jack again…any ideas on what will play out??

Jones!!! I think you are right about the thing on Keamy’s arm….. Though the episode, even though, they did do a lot of jungle talk….or static like moments….to me it I feel the pressure cooker about to explode…and for me this episode just added more pressure.

This episode actually made me sad…. The Oceanic 6 just looks so Hopelesssssss. (Lost).

What about the wrath of JIN!!!!! LOL. WOW!

Indeed, I think that when something happens to Keamy, the boat will explode.. I’m wondering why Jin won’t make it now. Anything to do with the explosives perhaps?

Jasen, didn’t his father just say ‘wow that’s a coincidence’ or something?

The biggest thing about this episode is why they are all lying about what happened!! The other stuff is side story to me. Why lie about it all. Why not say all that was going on. If they use the sad excuse of no one would believe us than thats a let down. But to me thats the biggest thing. When that women was at the press conference and said the 6 would take questions she was explaining the life that they led for 108 days…..two things to me that were obvious, the time they were gone equals real time. There is no delay. Other wise she would have said they have been gone for a year or vice versa 3 days. Also that the number 108 which we have seen before is the amount of time they were gone.

I Agree with a lot of you. Especially the thing on Keamys arm. Prob for the explosives

I think Jin told Sun to get off this ship and swim back because this things going to blow up. Its like Jin knows he’s going to die. At this point I do believe he is dead and will die in the finale…. Miles is going to die too. And the pilot also prob dies or gets left back. Otherwise the story that they get off in some man made raft isnt the story that the press would get. they would mention that frank lepidus helicopter pilot got them off.

I have said it for awhile its either desmond or juliette in that coffin.

I also agree with the locke thing….sometimes it looks like he’s going to take charge and the next he is back to being the kid stuffed in a locker.

There was a lot going on that builds up to something big but nothing major really happened. It was kinda of slow.

Jack found out about Claire being his half sis but it wasnt like we didnt know so how he finds out seems irrelevant to me as a fan of the show.

Faraday obviously knows the Orchid moves the bearing to get to the island or the island itself and is looking to get off.

Where the F is penny and how the f does Ben get off. He is not with the 6 so he has another way.

And 108 is also the reset time on the counter in the hatch in season 2.

108 is the Sum of all the numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42, it is used alot in the show, never thought that it would be used as the number of days before they get off, good find. Check it out: http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/108
I love that website, but not as much as I enjoy your’s Scott

pri - yea thats what im saying 108 has been a significant number…dan is an interesting character.

ORCHID INFORMATION…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchid

Read what you can and make your own analysis as it relates to Lost and to why the creatures used an Orchid in the storyline.

What I also found interesting is the cross section of the of various Orchids’ capsules… notice some of them have the same shape as the Dharma logo…

MAYBE ITS NOT… as bad as we think…

If the island is moved or cordinance are changed…then could it be that the 6 are in shock because the island just disappeared and now they are confronted with not knowing how to get back.

What I keep reminded myself about is in the episode “The Economist” Ben tells Sayid he has to keep doing whay he’s doing to protect the others…. Why is Widmore after the survivors….

Aaaaand….when the hell is Charlotte going to do her research…why the hell is she on the show? Isn’t she an anthropologist??? I say kill her! She’s a lame!

DESMOND ALSO GIVES THE WRONG BERRING!!! DES says 305 the berring is 325!!!

sorry meant to say 305

I think Daniel knew about the orchid because that is his “field”. He was chosen for a specific reason and would have been told all the information relevent to his job there.

i regress…325 is the bearing that Ben gave Michael.What was this pointing to? We don’t have that information yet right? But we do know that Michael was back to the States n then gets back to the freighter.

305 is the bearing that the Daniel gives Frank in Constant for the location of the freighter.

jason i agree, kill her!

i thought it was a slow episode too guys, cant believe we have to wait another 2 weeks for the rest of the finale!

ben was signalling the others, thats why they came fully equiped, i like the fact that john thinks hes in charge but we all know ben is always in charge!

I think they lie to protect the island and protect the people who didnt want to go back, people like rosa who had cancer and healed, sawyer who didnt have much of a life, possibly jin who was targetted bu suns dad.

Also with all this dead nonesense i dont believe anyones picked up on the fact that locke could be dead? maybe thats why he healed and could walk or maybe the island fixed that but then he died when ben shot him??

Also is this four-toed statue ever gona be addressed?! Or was that there just to throw us off?

How would Sun swim back? That would mean she had to go swimming with Aaron to stay alive, but that would be difficult.

Adam… 305 is bearing faraday gave but 325 is the bearing ben gives michael….which one of the two characters has a loose bolt in the head? Faraday is the one in need of a constant not Ben…or Michael for that matter. If the rest of the Oceanic 6 get off on a bearing of 305…In the flash forwards we have been seeing the early effects of some sort of unstibility…at least with two charactors so far…jack and hurley… I feel faraday’s calculations will end up being wrong and everyone should have been coming or going on the 325 bearings…

(a little something extra…Miles asks for 3.2 million dollars…. 3,200,000….by the way…count the zeroes they add up to 5).

I think the 305 is right, I also like the theory though.
I think it is just going to be something simple like in Michael and Ben’s agreement ben just told him what ever I tell you take 20 degree’s off that. (It’s stupid I know but it could be explained) In that scene he was in the presence of other people, Jack, Kate, etc. and didn’t want to give the 305 away. I think Jason’s thinking is more fun though.

messeis:
I agree that he could/should know of the orchid because of his research but why does he know about the secondary protocol and why would he make such a quick connection between the two.

Here are my thoughts as to why these six are the only ones to get off the island … Now that Jack & Sawyer are at the helicopter they get to Hurley by the Orchid and somehow get to Kate & Sayid by the temple. Now, when they are flown to the ship they find out about the explosives onboard and they have to fly everyone on the ship somewhere nearby. Sincs there will not be enought room for everyone Sawyer stays on the ship with Jin, Des, to try to help with the explosives. That’s how these six are the only ones they can reveal survived, maybe because they were taken by helicopter to a nearby island.

But now I’m thinking, will they survive or not?
Wasn’t Kate talking to Sawyer on the phone? Then it has to be someone else.

Karen….

I see where you are going..but I still feel the whole show revolves around Jack in denial of his leadership (even though he acts leaderly…obsesively for that matter) but….what is his leadership in relationship with the island. I am begining to sway towards the idea that it is Locke’s destiny to guide him there as opposed to being a great leader.

Messels - The 2-hour season finale of Grey’s Anatomy will be on next Thursday.

does the island membata have any significance.

Yea Adam….

They started to loose me on showing the maps and all…the writters spent quite a bit of time on it as well.

Melissa- again…Sawyer asked kate to do a favor….Again, I stand that by that Kate develops a relationship with Sawyers old flame (forgot her name but his baby’s moma) of which Kate already knows but….does not know that they all have a connection with sawyer.

Membata is a fictional island. It is however the Indonesian word for Doubt, which i think is interesting enough.

Theres one other thing i was wondering about, when the captain of the plane said to kate that they had been a hundred miles off course so no rescue was coming for the, why wasn’t more made of that and why was the fake plane wreckage found at the sundra trench so close to the island the oceanic 6 come up on?

Jason, I said before that I think they photo of them arriving to an island by boat was fake. I think they made that for the story.

I think the reason why they have this story is to go along with Widmore’s fake plane at the bottom of the ocean. They say a lot of the passengers didn’t make it off the plane, which would match those photos of the fake plane.

They must be trying to go along with that story for some reason, probably to protect those left on the island. That must be the only reason they’re keeping quiet, else why not just tell the truth (apart from maybe having everyone think they’re insane).

Jason, yes I believe that’s the reason they got the money as well.

Kat, as for his fake plane, it was said xxx people were found, which were ALL people on the flight. And now 6 are still alive, even though they said they were all dead before?

Why didn’t they resurface the fake bodies from the plane to be buried? And when they would be buried, surely tests would have been taken to identify them to the families?

I don’t think they counted every body on the fake plane, I think they just made assumptions, so this makes the O6 story believable.

Why have we heard no reference to the fake plane in the flash forwards if they said all the bodies were accounted for on the fake plane?

Kat:
The Sunda trench is one of the deepest points in the ocean any where in the world. If you were Charles Widmore and you wanted to present the world with convincing evidence of an explanation for where 815 ended up without anyone being able to verify it, that’s exactly where you would put your fake wreck fuselage and fake dead bodies. At that depth, it would be possible to send a remote control submersible to photograph the wreckage, but never to recover anything from it. The Estonia, for example, a ferry that sank in the Baltic sea in the 1990s is at about 85m, too deep to recover bodies. The Sunda trench is close to EIGHT THOUSAND meters deep, i.e., about 85% as deep as Mt. Everest is high. So as a cover story fabricated by Widmore, it was pretty good.

What doesn’t make sense is that the Sunda trench (and the Lesser Sunda island chain where the Lost writers placed their fictional island) is nowhere near the flight path between Sydney and Los Angeles — completely the wrong direction in fact. Someone should check out what the Sydney-L.A. and Sydney-Sundas compass bearings are — I’d be surprised if the Lost numbers didn’t pop up in there somehow.

there is no way it is physically possible to “resurface” a body from that depth, so what they “should” have done is irrelevant. That’s why Widmore chose it.

because im bored and theres no lost this week im just gona do my predictions. the others capture keamy and co, he tells them about the c4 strapped to his arm, which possibly explodes if his pulse stops? jack hurley sawyer kate sayid go with lapidus in the chopper back to the freighter and warn everyone, maybe there is more of them boats? sawyer trades his place with sun so she can have her baby without dying on the island, sawyer locke rosa and a few others remain living on the island to help protect it, and their life is better now than what it was? maybe jin and one or 2 others die?

Jones- I was thinking that Daniel helped them make the secondary protocol. I don’t thing that Keamy and Windmore could have done it by themselves. He may have been the consultant to make sure they didn’t blow up the island inadvertently while trying to mess with things they didn’t understand in the orchid.
Thanks Wendy. Stupid Grey’s.
Also, I agree with Greg. The the plane was put in the trench so that it would be impossible to bring up. It is easier to get away with a lie if no one can check it out.

She said he died in the crash because she had to for the story. Otherwise the story wouldn’t be correct.

But now that you say so, it’s indeed strange that she has a baby now, while he wasn’t able to get children o.O

Hurleys Baby!

Jason - wow! Your memory is fantastic. I had forgotten all about that scene. Hmm…

Messies - Sorry. I misspelled your name!

Lolo - I think you bring up a very good point. During the episode where Kate goes on trial (sorry, I don’t remember the names like you all do :)), when they said 8 survived the crash, but 2 didn’t make it, I thought for sure they meant one of them was Jin because of the fact that Sun had to have gotten pregnant after the crash. I, too, was surprised when she said he died in the crash. However, nobody really knows she wasn’t pregnant, do they? I can’t remember - did her father know Jin was allegedly sterile?Her father may just assume it was the other man’s (the one he hired Jin to kill) and that she was pregnant when she got on the plane.

Who were the two that allegedly survived but then died?!?!? The suspense…

I LOVED that Sun bought a controlling share in her father’s company. It sure seems like Jin may actually die, but I’m holding out hope that she is just saying that to get back at her dad (and because the writers want to mislead us yet again). However, I don’t like the whole “there are two men responsible for Jin’s death and you’re one of them” statement. Not looking good for Jin, but Lost has a way of doing that to us. Hence the reason I’m still holding out hope. Of course, I was convinced Charlie would make it out alive last season. I know he was fulfilling what he thought was his destiny, but come on! The man could’ve easily gotten out and sealed the latch behind him. Destiny or no destiny, if the island is that intent on getting rid of me, it’s just gonna have to keep trying other ways to kill me. I sure as heck am not going to let myself drown even if I know my death is inevitible!! But I digress…

BTW - in case you remember me babbling about not watching last week’s episode until next week… Two of my co-workers watched it and told me that it wasn’t a huge cliffhanger episode. It was more or less leading up to the major one next week, so I decided to watch. I am NOT weak! LOL! Besides, I enjoy reading everyone’s comments.

I’m not sure who the other 2 people are who they said survived.. As for not saying Jin was one of them, they had to follow the story.

And I don’t think Jack/Locke are the other people to blame: it would be too obvious, lost writers think deeper usually.

And 4 different endings? I want to see them all xD

I have a strange theory that will explain alot of the buzzar tings.. so stick with me.

I beleive that claire died when the house was blown out by the army. Harly beleived to be insan because he can see the dead,So can lock and ben,and suwyer was confused and didn’t want to beleive that claire died. That’s why the chinese guy who can see ghosts (forgot his name) look at her so strangly in disbelief and suwyer yelled at him to back off. It’s because he realized (could tell) that she was dead but was surprised that she still can carry her baby.
The island somehow traps dead people’s souls and it trapted her soul to. Then her father came to take her and guided her. Also, dead people seem to know alot about the island, that’s why claire doesn’t look so confused like she always does when lock saw her with her father in the cabin.

jakob is a dead guy from the island. he is the head of the project team and so he knows alot about the island. that’s why they look for him for guidance. It’s because he knows how to move the islands.

People think that Harly is insan because he sees dead people, that’s why lock and ben wants him to join them and look for jakob’s cabin. because he knows where the cabin is. Also, if you remember when harly told jack that someone will visit him very soon, which turned out to be his father, he was right.

as for the 6 survivers, i think that the island dissappeared while they were off the island, that’s how they got rescued, while the rest still got stuck.

I thought Claire was dead as soon as we saw the house. I was surprised when she got up and was able to walk, so I thought she must’ve still been alive, but I am not convinced she was. There’s no doubt that Hurley can see dead people considering he saw Charlie.

I do believe Hurley is freaked out by being able to see dead people and that’s how he ended up back in the mental hospital (because he kept getting spooked by Charlie appearing places like the gas station convenience store). I don’t remember his imaginary friend, but I’m guessing he was a ghost and Hurley just didn’t know it.

I think Miles is on the island both to discern which “survivors” are actually dead and to help those who are alive realize that some of the people they see are no longer alive. Like Hurley, for example. He might be there to help Hurley see the difference between live and dead people??? Maybe. That’s kind of a stretch, but clearly he’s there for a reason.

i dotn believe its time travelling, i believe its the thing with the constants again where it is only their mind which is sent back to random intervals at the past.

Toby - OK, so what is the deal with Ben in desery and not knowing what the date was, it is clearly in the future from when the O6 get off the island??
per previous post of translation of the guys that found him ” there are no footprints around him, how did he get here”

I find it fascinating to read all of these ideas. I want to comment on the Oceanic 6 for a second. Just to give you some food for thought. We all know who the six people are. But, at the time of the crash Aaron was not one of the eight people to survive because he was not born yet. I don’t think they would have counted him as one of the survivors of the plane crash if Kate was only to be about 6 months pregnant. So don’t you guys think that maybe 3 people died on the island before they get off ? They do state that 8 people survived the crash, do any of you feel that they would be actually including an unborn baby in that figure ? Anyway, just thought I would throw that out there. Can’t wait until the final episodes next week, which we all know will probably leave us with more questions than answers for next year.

Roxanne - I was thiiiiiis close to mentioning that yesterday after a co-worker brought it up!! I decided against mentioning it because I wasn’t sure they were going to make it that technical, but you (and my co-worker) have a very good point. Also, I was thinking that even though he wasn’t born yet, he did technically survive the crash. Aaron could’ve easily been stillborn as a result of the crash. Thoughts?

Toby - I don’t think where they say the survivors crashed is anywhere near where they crashed. I’m not sure they would need to worry about any bodies washing up unless they get rescued and then died so they have to say 8 people because they were seen getting rescued? Another stretch, I know…

Where is the review for “There’s no place like home”?

I’ve been dying to read it…

Haha - sorry guys. I had some family in town this weekend, and I’ve been slammed at work. I’ll try and do one this week, but I think from all the comments all the main things have been covered!

If anyone is interested in writing their own theories, ideas, recaps, etc. I’ll be more than happy to post them if you send them in. I’ve been thinking about doing that for a while now. If you are interested, let me know here in the comments, and I’ll get my email address to you.

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sorry, i meant “I was wondering HOW he was going to know about that one.”

I’m pretty sure the boat will blow up and thats why they’re all in shock with the craziness of the situation. I’d say Sun believes Jin is dead but he’s not really.

Sawyer as a character is evolving all the time so i can’t see him getting sacked. Although with next season supposed to show why and how they get back to the island, will any of it take place on the island? So will we get to see anyone on the island at all? They’re killing off all the hot guys i hope Sawyer stays. I love the way Sun is changing from the quiet church mouse she was getting on the plane with Jin to a really strong independent woman, although she seems very bitter and angry in the future not hopeful so i’m sure she thinks Jin is dead.

Sun and Jack were the only people not at Hurleys party, we know from Hurley visiting her that they still get on well, maybe Jack and Sun are avoiding each other?

Karen last weeks episode was part one of the finale, parts two and three are this week! After that we’ll be waiting until Jan 09!!!

adam, i ike that idea about penny actually working with her father.

The shows lost track abit, it went from a drama to now a kind of scif-fi.

And it seems the plotlines leaked a while ago where actually quite true. Michael being in heaven and it was walts dream anyone?

Whilst I’m on the subject of them two anyone think they could be part of the 8? Or are the other 3 survivors dead?

Ahhh which makes me think, someone posted a good theory about an unborn aaron not being part of the 8 BUT he definetly is as he’s refered to as part of the O6 and only 2 more apparently made it to this other island.

“Sun and Jack were the only people not at Hurleys party, we know from Hurley visiting her that they still get on well, maybe Jack and Sun are avoiding each other?” - Very good point Lolo, I never thought of that.. Maybe she thinks Jack is responsible for Jin’s dead after all, as he got him on the boat?