The Theory Behind Abc’s ‘Lost’
This is one of the best theories I’ve ever seen about ABC’s Lost. It’s a long read but well worth it.
here is a quick summarization for the lazy, but i encourage you to read it all:
The Island is the plan for the end of the world and the plane crash never actually happened. Instead the plan was captured by this magnetic field, brought to the island and everyone was cryogenically frozen (cue austin powers) and the crash was staged..
Meet Hans Oersted:
Hans O. discovered electromagnetism in 1820.
In 1999 the ‘Oersted’ satellite was launched with the purpose of charting Earth’s magnetic field. The findings led scientists to believe that there might be a polar reversal imminent, the effects of which could be cataclysmic: if Earth were to lose its magnetosphere, it would be vulnerable to massive radiation from the space/sun. The satellite also revealed an anomaly in the magnetic field under South Africa; it is pointing the opposite direction from the rest of the Earth’s field and has been growing for hundreds of years. Please Google this info. A similar idea was also used in the film ‘The Core’.
Meet Hannes Alfvén:
His contribution to science – mainly in the field of electromagnetism – revolutionized how scientists view the universe, winning a Nobel Prize on the way. He spoke English, German, French, Russian, and some Spanish and Chinese; and studied oriental philosophy and religion. He spent time in the Fiji Islands. He was fascinated by the “green flash” – a phenomenon that sometimes occurs at sunset. By no coincidence (Green Lantern and Flash comic): 
He also wrote fiction: The Great Computer: A Vision (1968) telling the story of computers taking over the world. Google “Hannes Alfvén”.
Alfvén plus Hans O. equals Alvar Hanso.
The above outlines the reason for – and a means to control – the island…
Scientists, fearing the cataclysmic events of a polar reversal, prepared an environment for the survival of the human race. They either directly or indirectly engineered the kind of people who would make up a community fit for survival and propagation of a new world. In the main, this means characters without father/mother figures; and/or characters with skills for survival: a doctor, an engineer, a survivalist, a mercenary; and characters of sufficiently varied genetic background: african, caucasian, asian, etc. to ensure a healthy gene pool for generations.
Then on an island which already had a massive natural source of electromagnetism, they constructed an artificial magnetosphere, alluded to in Walt’s/Hurley’s comic:
to repel the deadly cosmic rays that Earth’s magnetosphere used to repel. The hope was that the community could thrive, grow and, eventually, repopulate/recover the world.
The Dharma Initiative under Alvar Hanso (if both of these thing exist in the Lost reality – much of the Orientation film is red herrings for the ’survivors’) used a technology based on remote viewing and electromagnetism to power this magnetosphere and to influence the lives of the future island candidates. As stated in another of my posts: every strange (and a lot of mundane) occurrences in Lost can be attributed to electromagnetism as wielded by the collective consciousness on the island (see “Enlightenment Theory”). When all the candidates were in place, i.e. on the plane, the collective consciousness knocked everyone out, brought it down, cryogenically preserved them, dismantled the plane (placing enough debris in the ocean to ensure an “everybody dead” verdict); years later, some plane debris was placed on the beach with the passengers and the scene was set to give the illusion that they had JUST crashed. Then the collective consciousness woke them up.
The joke/password about the snowmen is an allusion to being cryogenically frozen.
The collective consciousness is that group of scientists that became so totally absorbed into remote viewing and electromagnetism that they now operate on frequencies of electromagnetism (covering everything from light to sound) only. They can read minds as well as manipulate iron and other conductive material. Claire wondered why there was not one comb or hairbrush on the entire plane; the reason: the slight electrostatic charges that hair brushing creates is interference for the collective consciousness.
Much of the Orientation film and what Desmond says is false and purely to ensure that our heroes press those bloody buttons every 108 minutes. The purpose is threefold: to provide a focus for the community – a reason to go on and something ‘meaningful’ that goes beyond rational decision-making; secondly, to protect the hatch/power-supply/scientists behind the concrete; and, thirdly, to download the information from the Oersted satellite as it orbits the Earth every 108 minutes (please Google this) to get the latest on the magnetic poles.
The collective consciousness messed with this bird’s navigation (based on magnetism – birds have magnetite in their beaks).
Sayid tells Jack that either the compass is wrong or North has moved. In fact, North has moved.
Walt seems to become a knife-throwing expert. He isn’t. The metal knife was guided by the collective consciousness in an attempt to bring him closer to Locke, who is the island’s most faithful servant.
The presence of this ship is an indication that this island has always been known as a source of great magnetic power (the word “magnet” comes from “Magnesia” the land where the first black rock with powers of attraction was found). The location of this ship is an indication of the island’s volcanic past – pushing the island higher – the ship is now inland. (Lava cools to form basalt; at the point basalt solidifies it takes on the same magnetic field as the surrounding location, thus providing information of the magnetic field’s past.)
BF Skinner’s dubious theories form the basis for the methods used by collective consciousness to socially engineer this ‘utopia’. They are the voices in the trees, they are the visions, they are the black fog (metal in a magnetic field), the monster (mechanical, but designed to embody each survivor’s personal fear). They use every psychological trick in his books to manipulate the survivors into forming a stable long-lasting community ON the island; and their means to this end are extensive.
The two images above are an explicit example of how the influence of the Dharma’s collective consciousness has pervaded in the survivors’ lives: notice the octagonal ceiling in both shots; and the metal balls in the second scene.
The opening shot of most episodes – the eye – establishes that this episodes main character will perceive what the collective consciousness wishes to show them. In this episode, Boone has an epiphanies vision courtesy of the collective consciousness and is later murdered with a falling plane!
Locke can walk now. Locke has no feeling in his legs. Locke’s ability to walk is based on the collective consciousness’ will. It makes him obedient. This level of obedience may be required of all the survivors eventually. His legs move because the collective consciousness allows those tiny electronic impulses from his brain via the spine to get through to muscles in his legs.
To summarize: our heroes never actually crashed; they are the future of mankind – the survivors of a cataclysmic polar event of which they are unaware; they are on the island to survive, procreate and repopulate the Earth. They are unaware of this plan which is sustained by a sophisticated collective consciousness and a group of scientists using electromagnetic power, and psychological techniques of reward and punishment.
More Notes
Some attempts at answers:
The polar bears are on the island because they think it’s the North Pole. And so does Sayid’s compass. Their appearance in the Orientation film is to throw the ’survivors’ off the scent – as though the bears have been deliberately placed there and have simply escaped – no. But the collective consciousness can still use them – like it used boars.
Other occurrences of the polar bear – comic, cuddly toy – leads me to: we don’t know yet to what extent the ’survivors’ have been socially engineered. It is possible that Hurley was so influenced by the scientists that he subconsciously sought out a comic with a polar bear and those other themes in it. Michael could have been told that Walt likes polar bears by his mum – or it could just be a coincidence/writer’s joke.
As for Walt’s knife throwing – yes he could have special powers – we don’t yet know how socially engineered these people are… Desmond does call Jack “brother”! But I don’t think Locke has special powers:
[Locke predicts the weather to a minute]
Neither does he need a compass anymore. These are electromagnetic phenomena – the conductivity of the air increases just before precipitation – you can smell rain. His power is a gift from the island…but can be taken back at any time.
Which leads us to: why did the island kill Boone? After freeing him from love of his step sister and making him loyal, the island murders him – why? Possible answer: because Locke, at that time, is the main prize for the island; in his dream he was shown Boone dead – but he still proceeded with the excursion to the plane! The island was testing him and setting him apart from everyone else. By the time they got to the plane, Locke was unable to walk, thus preventing him from climbing to the plane – thus forcing Boone to do it. This was all the collective consciousness’ plan.
…it was Locke that ultimately convinced the group to press the buttons – even Jack.
We haven’t met all the survivors yet – even in the main group. Maybe if there are any missing genetic groups, they are in there. Naveen Andrews is English! [ALERT: politically dangerous ground mixing nationality with ethnic origin - I'm stopping here!!!]
Did Kate remember the crash? Did Boone see his sister dead? Did Jack see his dead father? These people are like those lotto balls bouncing around – but the order of the numbers has already been determined… (apologies for metaphor).
My guess is that there are two groups of Others: one of scientists still on board with the project (boat), and another of scientists who have gone native (those in rags and no metal or sound). The gone-native group (including Ethan) steals babies; they see the project as insidious and rebel against it; they take babies so that the babies can grow up free – without the collective consciousness in their minds. The other group (boat) took Walt in order to keep people on the island – Michael won’t be building a raft again.
Google: B.F. Skinner’s novel “Walden Two” in which he describes a group of friends visiting a Skinner-type ‘utopian’ community. The friends react in different ways to the community’s ideology; these reactions outline the viewpoints of the two groups of Others.
Some other points which back up Andrew’s theory:
- the significance of the Dharma Initiative shark: according to Wikipedia ‘The shark has the greatest electricity sensitivity known in all animals.’
- one of the early workers on cryopreservation was Sir James Lovelock, who proposed the Gaia theory. Again, quote Wikipedia: Gaia theory is a class of scientific models of the geo-biosphere in which life as a whole fosters and maintains suitable conditions for itself by helping to create an environment on Earth suitable for its continuity. That tallies nicely with your ideas above – also as a nice ‘coincidence’ it was named Gaia theory following a suggestion by his chum William Golding, of ‘Lord of the Flies’ fame!
- I’m guessing the polar bears were brought there for monitoring i.e. to compare this artificially generated pole to their usual habitat
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One of the best theories iv heard so far, it explains almost everything, will be interesting to see whether you’re right.
The point you made about the computer and the numbers just being something to give the suvivors a focus is sort of backed up by the novel behind which the orientation film was found- Turn of the Screw by Henry James. Its a ghost story about a Governess who believes the children in her care are in danger from a man whom she discovers is dead, but whether there really is a danger or whether the ghost s just her imagination is very simillar to the computer/numbers situation.
Another book that may or may not be a significant insight into LOST is one Desmond is reading in bed at 1 point- The Third Policeman, a story about murder, a botched robbery and atomic theory.
Why would the survivor candidates be chosen on the basis of father/mother figures? What is the benefit? Frankly, it seems like a bad choice for rebuilding society to me.
Nicely explained theory, I’m sure Lost lends itself to a lot here.
Doubtful there are 2 groups of others, Boat & Raggged scientists. Walts kidnappers(boat) are the ragged scientists. The one nicknamed Zeek by Sawyer took walt, took Michael to Walt and was also at the other ‘medical hatch’ when Claire was kidnapped, without a beard, we know this is a fake beard and outfit. So this would mean he was in both groups of others. Just one group…..
yea i think at this point there is one group of others and some of them pretend to be primitive.
What do you guys think is the deal with the four-toed statue? And is it just me, or did Jack give Kate a really creepy look near the end of the episode? (When the others put the bags over their heads again). And what about Desmond’s old girlfriend being called about the ‘magnetic anamoly’? I think that can almost surely rule out the theory that the island is the only thing left in the world.
I can get behind the Polar Shift theory (mainly because it actually is based in science and HAS happened before) I can get behind the plane being brought down by electromagnetism but a collective concious? Come on now! Cryo freezing bodies??? Are you Serious? I would bet that there is another place that has to press a button every 108 min to fire off energy. But then the theory gets crazy and dumb so ill leave it there.
The Kate look was really wierd it was almos tlike jake and kate know they can get out of here.
desmond’s girlfriend is named after penelope, i would guess, wife of odysseus. after all desmond is on a journey back home, (getting his honour back or whatever…) and is lost in the sea. yet i do not get the connection to david hume.
the whole theory doesnt sound so bad. the crygonetics and all-thats-left-in-the-world part is clearly cancelled by Desmond’s girlfriend reacting to the magnetic anamoly. I still think there are 2 groups of scientists since in the end henry said "we’re the good guys", leading us to believe that theres bad guys, and also because they resisted shooting/hurting them many times. The whole magnetic theory makes sense since in the end henry says that even if Michael wanted to come back he wouldnt find the island. My own theory is that they are sitting on a peak point in the Bermuda Triangle (google it) where scientists are conducting some sort of tests. My only question in all this is why would the authors link all the characters the way they did? they seem to all have bumped into each other in the past, and I can’t really explain that coincidence.
There is an aspect of the fakery surrounding the ‘others’ which does lend weight to this theory. If the survivors of the plane crash hadn’t arrived there who were the deceptions intended for? This suggests a period of time and forward planning to set up this ’stage’ which I guess supports the theory that the survivors where somehow brought there. A fake hatch, huts and costumes, wouldn’t these things take quite some time to create? If they were intended to fool unexpected visitors to the island into believing they were survivors themselves, why create a fake hatch? I do hope there aren’t too many far-fetched ‘magical’ explanations for the happenings on Lost. This would really kill the marvel of a well crafted intelligent story. The number of, perhaps, coincidental crossed paths also adds further weight to the theory that someone had a hand in their fate preceding the plane crash and I do believe we are being guided to a significant plot element and ever so gently nudged over the edge a la oblivion at Alton Towers (I hope!)
I think the most significant thing about the season finale was Desmond and Penelope. Penelope makes a comment about being able to find anyone if you have enough money. I think it’s possible that Penelope’s Father provides funding for the Initiative and (running along the lines of the original theory that this is a controlled experiment) submitted Desmond to the program to get him away from his daughter. Penelope found out about the initiative and her father’s part in it and pays for the research station to look for the magnetic anomaly as it is the only clue she would have as to Desmond’s whereabouts.
Would this mean that Libby who played a part in Desmonds fate was working for the initiative? Was her role at the mental institute one of inmate or facilitator for Hurley’s fate also?
good theory but unfortunately its all wrong as in the season finale shows people that are not on the island.
Season finale supports certain aspects of this thoery. There is an electromagnetic element without doubt – perhaps they are in the development stage – perhaps it failed? there was an ‘incident’ yes? There is the point or perhaps (flaw in the plot) that why would the fate of the world be left so willingly to any passer by? Certainly that’s the question I would have asked myself in that situation and just not pushed any button, and as time has gone by it’s clear that this isn’t a forgotten task by people with the with means to make sure the button is continued to be pushed. I do think this is the closest theory disscusion however there’s a way to go yet….
wel….it all seemed to work out until this last episode….. the last one in season 2.
if we go by what was said above, they are the last survivors of earth ect, and all the times we see life outside of the island are in the past…hence we can stil asume they may all have died years ago. however, in the closing minutes of this last episode, we see life outside the island at the present time. (the guys in the artic with the scientific equipment) hence, although this theory goes to answere many of the questions, the main idea behind it all must be fundimentaly flawed.
was stil a good idea tho
This is a great theory, the elctromagnetism gave good explaination of why the compass was acting strange, why the plane crashed, and other strange occurances. But I believe there is a big flaw in this theory.(The same reason "The Core" was an horrible movie.) The earth’s magnetic poles have shifted many times before in the Earth’s history, causing the magnetic field to be inactive. Almost all scienctist believe when that happened the earth was not turned into a fireball ("The Core"). But what occurs on Earth at that time is nothing much different from what happens when the electromagnetic is working. The only little bit of difference on Earth is that that cancer rate might go up a little bit. But nothing else will happen much. Although the cancer rate on Earth will go up even more due to the bad treatment of the enviroment.
Link: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/apr2003/canc-a26.shtml
If this theory is the answer to the questions for Lost, then I must add that the scientist on Lost are very ignorant.
Plus another compass theory: You should all know that the Earth has two Norths, one is the North Pole the area where the axis of the Earth is. The second is the Magnetic North, that is where your compass points.
Michael is told to follow a compass bearing of 325 and he’d be rescued, could The Others be sending him towards the ship that is recording the electromagnetic anomalies? Also could Pen’s father be one of the Dharma Initiative founders and she has an idea of what is happening but hasn’t a clue where the project is taking place so uses her wealth to find it.
I just think that the first two seasons of Lost resemble NBC’s Earth 2 television series from 1994-1995. Afterall, they revolve around the same basic plot and you can see similarities almost everywhere. In addition, Terry O’Quinn was in both series (he played the role of Reilly in Earth 2) as well as Clancy Brown (That played a military type character named "John Danziger").
just an observation…
pen tells desmond : –
"I am rich, you can find anyone if you have enough money"
or something along those lines.
Then it seems she may be about to find him again as it appears she has commisioned the scintists on the boat.
It’s a nice theory, but there are still some things I don’t understand… like why did almost all the characters meet before the plane crash? How did the people from the Dharma initiative get them to go on the exact same plane? Also why are the numbers 4,8,15,16,23,42 chosen? and why did they bring Hurley bad luck while he was still at home? And where did Rousseau, the French woman, go?
I found out that John Locke and Rousseau were both important influences during the Enlightenment (age of reason) it might have something to do with why the others are taking away the children to let them grow up without the collective conciousness…
Also: What about the virus that comes up sometimes, Rousseau told about it…?!
Theory, theory, theory, but can some one please tell me what the hell that was at the begining of the first series that broke down all the trees as the survivors watched on, it hasn’t been mentioned since!!
A lot of things come down to Hurleys numbers, is Lost something as simple as Hurley being experimenting on in the institute , and dreaming the whole thing?
108 is supposedly a holy number in many religions and the numbers also have significance in many religions. Dharma and kharma has something to do with all of this also. One of my coworkers printed out a long explanation of what all this meant last season and I forget most of it, but the numbers have a huge significance. Anyone talk about that yet?
The thing that broke down the trees was the islands "defense mechanism", the black smoke (since you hear the loud horn-like noise that accompagnies it).
And one HUGE detail that no one has yet mentioned is the fact that we see Jack as one of the two Portuguese scientists in the research station!!! Take a look for yourself:
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/gallery/223.html?photo=89
It’s clearly Jack! Is there some kind of alternate dimension that exists??
Am I right in thinking that when Des was talking to Libby in that cafe that Des said he was doing the race because it was ‘his’ race? ‘Him’ being Penelope’s father? This could explain how Penelope knows Des could still be alive after three long years. Maybe, and this is a big maybe Penelope’s father did the same sailing thing (hence why its ‘his’ race) and was marooned on the island due to its magnetic pull in the same way Des and his boat could have some way ended up there (Same magnetic pull thing could be applied to why Michael, Jin and Sayer all just miraculously drifted back to the island). Widmore escapes joins/co-creates DHARMA with the Hanso and Belgian hippies, the DeGroots I think. Penelope knows story cos her dad tells as one of those pain in the arse stories every time a family gets together, ‘Did I ever tell you about the time I was…’ ‘For the love of God, yes you did!’, so she thinks the same thing could have happened to Des.
With the whole compass thing, the compasses must all be badly effected by the electromagnetic anomaly on the island. If north isn’t north maybe when Des was sailing west by compass rather than setting sun or whatever he was just going in one big circle.
One last thing, in the Pearl Orientation video Mark Wickman/Marvin Candle (What’s up with that? And his prosthetic arm?) says something about ‘at the end of your shift you will get a boat back to the barracks’ or something along those lines. Now I wonder where the Others keep pissing off to by boat? They have to be left over DHARMA people from when the project went sour.
Pleh, what do I know? At least it gets you thinking which is more than can be said for most TV.
Season 1: When they find the cockpit, what attacked the pilot?
if the black smoke is just ‘metal in a magnetic field’
Why does the Shark have the Dharma logo on it?
Who drops the supplies to the island?
Why were not only children taken from the second group of people on the plane?
Fate or coincidence?
Why was the guy (cant remember name) who was in the hatch before desmond painting things on the walls?
Why are the ‘others’ letting Michael and Walt go? (yes he made the trade but why still)
If the people in the hatch have been monitored and every move written down, why havent the documents been read? who has been watching?
What do the red symbols when the clock counts down means?
How did michael talk to Walt on the computer but no one else?
SOO many unanswered questions!
every episode seems to make the viewer ask more questions without giving any answers, took half a season to find out what was in the hatch after Locke got in..
Personally i think if questions arent answers soon enough, views will lose interest in the show. Every episode seems to be getting abit boring until the very end, where you have to wait til next week and the topic just changes.
In the last episode, we all saw that weird bird that Hurley thinks screeches his name. In the episode in season 1 where Jack, Kate, Locke and Boone go racing off after Ethan, Charlie and Claire, Jack hears the same noise but thinks its Claire shouting for him (Just before Ethan roughs him up a bit). Weird?
Also, on the Swan orientation tape didn’t the guy say that the DHARMA iniative studied zoology, electromagnetics, psychology and parapsychology.
Zoology – Why are there sharks with the DHARMA logo on them? Because they were part of the study. I bet if they had a good look at the polar bear Sawyer shot there’d be a nice logo on that as well.
Electromagnetics – The Swan
Psychology – The Pearl
Parapsychology – This seems to be what the Others are interested in with their ‘we’re the good guys’ stuff and ‘Did Walt ever appear anywhere he shouldn’t have?’We all know he did because Shannon saw him and Walt’s foster father said weird stuff happens around him. Michael also looked a bit perplexed by this question as if he was thinking ‘Yeah, but I’m not telling them’ or ‘WOTF!?!’
Either way there is a definite connection between DHARMA and the Others with the whole ‘Namaste’ and ‘We’re the good guys’ stuff. Their whole credo seems to be same. Unless the the Other formerly known as Henry Gale was being ironic at the end of the last episode.
I don’t know if it has been said before cos i dont have time for all the theories, but i reckon that the electromagnetic field makes the island invisible to the outside wourld – ie cant be detected – which is why, as ‘henry gale’ says ‘no one knows we are here’ and explains why no one has been rescued. The others are more in the know than they let on. Desmonds girl says if you have enough money you can find anyone – her people on the boat are looking for desmond, and its only after the surge that the island is visible to the outside world as the electromagnetic ’shield’ is down. Electromagnetism messes up all the compasses, causes the wierd movement of the island trees they sometimes see (cos its all shaking underground) and explains why desmond’s boat and Jin’s raft failed – they cannot navigate away, they are merely being led in circles round the island. The others are the ex employees of the Dharma initiative, and are still on the island for a reason, dont know what. The whole thing sounds like a large government/fim coverup – the dharma was an experiment that went badly wrong, and now they need it to be covered up. Ive got ideas on a lot of the things but i keep forgetting them. damn.
The people on the boat looking for desmond presumably have somehow worked out hes on this island, and that it exists. Desmonds girlfriend or whatever she is put her money into finding him, and somehow found out about this government coverup of the island, and that it all exists. Her father is high up in the military or whatever, maybe hes involved in the coverup, making it easy for her to discover it, but more likely her position as his daughter means shes got the right contacts to find all this out. So she hired a couple of mercenaries, they go out with their electromagnetic surge detecting computer, and are looking for the island. Which explains why they call her at the end and say we ve found it.
that theory is amazing – just to clarify the man people think is JACK playing the scientist at the end of the season might want to check the credits for a certain Len Cordova – he LOOKS like matthew fox (jack) – check his profile http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0502653/
sorry no mystry there!
Well, what can I say? My theory surpasses all of which have been presented. I believe that the plane transcended into another dimension, which was caused by the collision of the plane and the magnetic field. The Philadelphia experiment (Google it) proves that electromagnetic fields can cause a shift from one place to the next, from one time to another, or from one dimension to an alternate one. Even the theory explained gave very useful insight, it didnt answer even half of the questions and quite frankly, it is too complicated for normal average people watching the series from home to understand. Locke mentions ‘fate’ and ‘destiny’ I believe that all the characters bumped into each other to foreshadow them coming together on the island. I would like to believe a more insightful view but, I have to admit, the answer to lost has to be one of which the majority of people watching the programme will understand.
To the person above discounting the theory of electromagnetism, there is no way the earth has ever not had a magnetic field. The core of the earth (in fact the earth itself) is field with iron; it is the rotaion of this iron (i.e., the rotation of the earth) that produces the magnetic field. This field may have fluctuated and reversed polarity and even shifted axis, but it has always existed.
The electromagnetic effects portrayed in this show are surprisingly conceivable. I think this believability is one of the shows strongest points.
What about when Sawyer or was it jack that shot the pistol at "Zeek" when they had Kate? The bullet reflected off some kind of barrier…any ideas how that plays?
i think it will be extremelly hard for the lost creators of Lost to bring the whole show to an end AND get this theory (or any of the others) across to the viewers in a way they will be able to understand, the whole thing will be great to watch, but DAMN it makes my brain hurt tryin to figure it out!!! U never know, the ending might be really, really, stupidly simple, like a dream of something.
very interesting theory, but one thing, as one mentioned previously: if the Lost Island was the last place on earth, then what about that radar base in the icy place… and mroeover, "PEN’s" luxurious bed….
as for the look between kate and jack, well hear this: the aftermath between michael and the Possy when JAck revealed his dark plan wasnt very well depicted in the episode. and the fact that the Possy were acting so extravagantly afterwards is because they knew they were watched and wanted "the Others" to believe that they were falling for it. I bet Michael is in-line with the plan but i cant figure out what might the plan be.
ok we all get the fact that people are still alive outside the island lets leave it at that
but one thing i don’t get them buttons had to be pressed every 108 minutes or the world would end but there was a fail safe key which released everything a loud noise the sky went purple for a bit why didnt the people who made the place just do that instead of having people push the buttons for years
lost is a good show but it gets dragged along wey too much you could of made them two series about 8 episode each and still got all the relivant point across
Two things come to me after reading this:
1) the 108 thing can’t be ignored with regards to the numbers, more on that later I hope.
2) The heading Zeek told Mike and Walt to take on leaving will just take them around the island. Compasses are heavily effected by magnetism, heading 235 will created an arc around which they will eventually die on the boat [parametric equation]. Assume instead of having a static north, that instead north is pinned to the island because of it’s EM field. The boat makes a slow winding spiral away from the island, almost one of the slowest possible while still making progress away from the island [only 10 degrees off that].
The suggestion that seeing the 2 sceintists in the station disproves the therory that they are the only people left on earth is slihjtly flawed. We see two people on the sceince station but we are given no information to suggest that this is taking place at the same time as the events on the island.
I believe that the scene we saw took place when Desmond first missed the button and the station locked down showing the hyroglyphics. When they miss the button is causes the an anomalie with the magnetic field an that is what the guys in the science station picked up.
So…… that happened on the 4th of september 2004?????? a little odd for a show airing in 2006 more support for the original theory if you ask me!
Has anyone else noticed that when you add 4,8,15,16,23, and 42 together, you get 108??
The fact remains that we still know ABSOLUTELY KNOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING. Nothing has been explained in any single way shape or form. You can speculate all you would like but the facts are simple:
1. We have no idea what the black fog is and what it is protecting (or for that matter why we havent seen it since season one)
2. We have no idea who the others are what they are doing or how many of them there are ect.
3. We know that Walt had some sort of psycic abilities but to what purpose or extent nada.
4. We ALL know that everyone is connected in some totally random way before they came on the island ie Sawyer and Jons father, Sayid in Iraq and Desmonds partner ect so that cleary indicates that fate is involved which equals this: NOTHING.
All I know is this: This is the GREATEST TV Show/Concept EVER. I am not about to even pretend that I have any idea what is going on so I will simply sit back and watch and know that some day the answers will come and it will be something crazier and even more hardcore than anyone could have imagined. So let us all rejoice for being given this gift that is LOST and count the days until October 4th.
I think you should study physics before you start talking about magnetism and electromagnetic waves. They are quite different things. And none of them causes collective consciousness (not proved yet at least). Also freezing people kills them according to my latest informations.
The writers said, that everything in the movie _is_happening_ (not in reality, but in the movie’s reality). So I think you worked a lot on this theory, but the basics are wrong. I hope at least, it would be a great disappointment if you were right
my theory, they’re extremely close to the magnetic north or near opposite of it. No idea how they got there, *shrug* That would explain the funky magnet stuff and prolly mess up your concept of north based on the sun.
as far as the numbers go, the computer may very well accept other numbers, nobody ever really tried. but 108 is interesting religiously. The whole 108 stars stuff where it takes 108 good people to achieve heaven on earth type stuff or whatever it is. or maybe it just is what it is.
Another possibility and I havn’t looked at this much but it popped in my head a few days ago… how many ppl are left… 42? maybe the final piece or something? How many ppl have been taken from the plane? How many Others are there? How many children do we know were missing? I think we should try to tie the numbers to other things.
If you add the numbers you get 108. Also if you multiply them you get 7418880. thats the number that appeared on the printout from the pearl after a system fail
Can someone please tell me if the black smoke and the thing at the start of season 1 that ripped up the trees are the same thing. I dont think they are bu i just want to be sure.
A few things: Firstly, the scientists who call Penelope at the end of the last episode refer to seeing the anomaly AGAIN – I’m sure some comment is made about not missing it THIS TIME – so I’m assuming that the first time was when Desmond forgot to press the button, and this time it’s actually happening in the present – ie, when the station is blown up or whatever happened to it.
Secondly, if anyone has seen the picture of "Alvar Hanso" (www.thehansofoundation.org – the website set up by ABC that goes along with LOST), I am pretty sure that the blurry picture of Alvar Hanso is exactly the same as "Henry Gale" – there’s also other imformation in the series which makes it seem like Henry Gale is actually Alvar Hanso. Also, according to the website’s hidden Easter Egg bits (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hanso_Foundation – the wikipedia site shows you how to get to them) – then it appears that Alvar Hanso hasn’t appeared in public for years – possibly because he is on the island?! hmm…
next thing, Thomas Widmore (Penelope’s Father) is on the board of directors for the Hanso Foundation, so that maybe ties in with what someone posted about "you can find anyone if you have enough money".
Anyone tried to translate the hieroglyphics when the timer reaches 0?
There is 5 letters
I managed to figure out the first, second and Fourth the others I cant work out
So far I have C U ? A ?
So what’s up with Libby and Desmonds connection then?? they met at a restaurant inthe last episode(season2). its clearly libby with straight red hair(instead of curly blonde), who offers desmond her dead husbands’ boat, when he jokes about her potentially having 42,000 more, after she pays for his $4 meal. And this was before Desmond was on the island… The portuguese Jack definately messes with my mind a little too, but that was after the EM-flash when Des activates the "turn of the screw" (the emergency key). Did they shift the island to a parallel dimension from the flash? is this the ‘failsafe? or is it an overcompensating artificial Magnetosphere? Does Jack have a twin(who is portuguese?) i doubt it… So does any body have any on this? i guess we will see, in October when season 3 begins…
wait a sec… i just watched the last ep2-24 again, and noticed the scientist in the arctic is def NOT Jack !
But Libby was def the boat donor for Des; to get to the island via the botched race… more clues anyone?
I thought she was a clinical psychologist?? maybe she still is, just that she’s rich too, with some kind of agenda? i know, she died though… too bad Hugo *sniff-
I have read all the comment here and all the theorys are very good, the bermuda triangle idead seams to be the most apealing and belivable, can any one expland
good theory, i think on watching lost s2e24 that the hatch was indeed a lie but i think the whole thing was designed to scare u and kill u ready for the next experiement inless u had the courage to turn the key. i dont think locke, ecko or desmond are dead mainly because of the scientists and pen right at the end
ALSO JACK AND THE SCIENTIST ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON thank you
Was it just me or did kelvin and the guy with the fake beard look incredibly similar??? am likein the bermuda triangle theory with bits from everyones leses all rolled into one but at the end of the day its a tv show and the writer will pan it out as a tv show and not a reality.
Not too bad a theory. Just some stuff i’d like to see if anyone has any theories on.
Who is that psychic guy in Australia, is he genuine, because he admits to Hurley he is a fake, but his show with claire seems very realistic, he even offers to give her money back.
Also about Jack’s dad, he was taking his corpse back to America with him on the plane, but when he opened the coffin his dad was gone.
Any explanations for these?
How the h3ll can a handfull of people procreate enough to populate an entire planet?!?
You need a few thousands people to have enough genetic diversity to do that ("inbreeding" rings any bells?).
In my opinion there is no explication to the entire show, until the show ends. It’s like in most of the american movies, there is no valid clue in the entire movie to even be half way getting the solution before the ending … the reason for this is simple: it’s hard to think; thinking it’s like working and nobody likes working; if the show had only a little bit of inteligence in it, would have very little viewers.
In my opinion we all shoud sit back and enjoy the show until the end to see the real plot because there is no way to get it before that.
The reality in the show is meant to be based on same rules as the real world. So if this place had a magnetic anomaly that had to be realised every 108 seconds, why trouble with people when they could have built a automatic system to do it, with 10-20 back-ups just to be sure and a observation center somewhere remote. Easy. The compass thing has a logical explanation. The island is rich in iron which if magnetised can very easy disturbed the compass. There are places in this real world where compass do not work. Since the island is not mapped (and there are unmapped islands in the real world) this could very easy be a lost specie and Hurley just heard a sound that seemed like his name. There are lots of animals making noises that seam to be words in a language. The smoke is very good thought and I bet there is something really simple behind it. Because until now it appeared in front of two people and did nothing. Remember season one where i think Loke was the one that stood in front of it and nothing happened to him, just that the camera did not show the smoke, only Loke. The others wore grading a gate with Dharma sign on it, but when Said opened it he discovered it was just the mountain. Why? This is a good question. Now knowing that the island has a reversed polarity property, then why people are drown there but and no one else can find them? This two things go head to head. If the Island is drawing things to it then many ships and planes would have eventually got there. If the Island would be invisible it should reject things. But it couldn’t be that invisible, because it is very large. It’s not that small that a satellite could not see it. Does it move? I don’t think so. There are islands that float on water and shift position, but no volcanic ones do. So my theory is that everything is just a big misunderstanding. All will be revealed in the end. The plane did crash because of the magnetism and people just crashed and wore not frozen and stuff. They crashed and hoped to be rescued. In the mean time they stumbled over some peoples project who did not Wat to be found so they played tricks on them. All equipment they have is very old, so they are LOST (away from the rest of the world) there for some time. Don’t forget the other that is the daughter of Russeau. People that try to interpret everything are just burning their mind. The coincidence is not that huge. It happened to me to run into people that know people that I know. Basically 90% of the people I know from a place or another, know other people that I know. The world is not that big you know. We usually spin in a specific class of people and let’s not forget since they all got on the same plane they wore all in the same time for more or less, some even wore born there. It’s Australia. Who knows history must know they are not that Manny. Coincidence s happen a lot. If we think someone is guiding us, then it must mean we are not living our lives. And if they wore selected then why did half the passengers die? If I would select a bunch of people I would just get a private jet and send then free tickets for a trip. Not to many people would ask to many questions. Oh, about Loke. He can walk because he is not really sick any more. Lots oh people paralyzed got to walk again, but they needed a reason to do it, and being between the remaining of a plane in fire seeing people dieing next to you is a good reason. The mind is the biggest mystery. For instance why a lot of people have a hard time to get to work, but when they are there do a grate job. I for one don’t want to get on my ass and work, but when a customer calls for a stupid simple stuff to do, I get the reason to work and do even 20 hours of work after I start. So there’s no mystery there, and don’t even think to ask why he could not walk when he got near the plane, because after siting in a chair paralyzed for years your mussels have temporary "failures" until they regenerate. I think in the next season there will be a bunch of turn overs, but in the end all will come to light. The plot of the movie is very interesting, but it is not so SF like some people think of.
WOW thanks Marian for your input to us all. Reading it was very interesting and my view on the actuall island itself has changed.
Anyone got any ideas on whats going to happen to micheal and walt now that they are sailing away????? thanks
if they were frozen, why didnt they just take the children before hand? but then how does jack fall in hte middle of the woods unharmed? again back to the four toed staue….anyone?
A bit on why Desmond didn’t make it off the island and Walt and Michael may.
Basically the magnet field of the island is going to cause the compass to point along the magnetic field lines.
See the second pic in the link below for an example.
http://www.phy6.org/Education/wfldline.html
Or a cool little Java app to simluate what the compass would be doing.
http://www.walter-fendt.de/ph11e/mfbar.htm
Now looking at the first link and substituting the island for earth if Desmond left from the bottom right hand side and headed ‘due west’ (as he said) then he would be pointing the boat to the inside of the arc and thus do a big loop right back to the island (the magentic north side of the island).
However, if one was to start on the bottom left side and head 325 degrees (Michael and Walt), a little more than due West. They would be pointing the boat to the outside of the arc.
The boat would still follow the arc but do it in a direction away from the island. Once they get far enough away from the island the magnetic field from the island will be so weak that the compass will begin picking up the Earth’s magnetic field and they will begin following that. Or perhaps they will run into something else out there before the Earth’s magnetic field kick’s in; only the writers know.
A side note: if they did go around the island too far and ventured back on the right side, then they would be in a similiar position to Desmond and start pointing the boat inward.
In the Episode "Two for the Road" at exactly 1:51 minutes you pause it and then u see the police cars..the top of the police cars. u see a number written on it..the single car has the number 04 then if u see the order from further down ull notice .. 08 , 15, 16, 23 , and on the other side a car with number 42…
your coming up with these theories of they have been frozen when quite simply they have had a plane crash i think it would be stupid to say tehy have beebn frozen and put on the isalnd to repopulate the world. i think that the bearings that the "others" gave micheal are wrong as if he made it bak to land he could tell them where they are and at least help them into where abouts theyare
again.. anyone have theories about the four toed statue
4 toed statue? wellmy theory is that the man henry gale spoke about "who was a great man but an unforgiving one" i think the other made a statue of him to celebrate him and when they finished someone walked past and said "you missed a toe" so they smashed it all back down LOL. either that or the great man has freaky deaky toe syndrome.
AS IF IT ISNT OBVIOUS PEOPLES????
the pilot was taken by a giraffe, the giraffes also stampede through the trees making them move, and if youve ever seen a giraffe fart, poo fragments actually become airborne&& enter the black cloud!!! (you can google that one!)
the hatch was originally run by these killer giraffes who also told charlie to stop using smack because unless he had enough for everyone, it was rude not to share. Also the giraffes built the statue, but didnt want to give their identity away, hence the four toes! (google it, its true!) There is a rumor floating around the hurly may be a giraffe studying the group from inside, im not sure about this one but I suppose the giraffes neck could be wrapped around himself, and THAT is why hurly is so fat and cant lose weight? Not sure tho&&.. giraffes rule!!!!!!
nice theories, i read them all.
But did anyone think of Locke and eko?
They both saw the black smoke, and now they are probably dead?
and i think that the ‘magnetic shield’ is now opened,(‘cos they didn’t push the button) and they can all go home!
haha
I for one believe the plane was brought down by more than just a large
Posted By Anonymous on June 07, 2006 at 06:04 PM
I for one believe the plane was brought down by more than just a large magnetic force as incase any of you were unaware modern aircraft are manufactured using only a small proportion of magnetic materials, certainly not enough to pull a plane out the sky in one piece.
I believe you may be onto something when you say the plane was placed on the island… Think about it!!!! the plane was at cruse altitude and cruse speed, it dropped 32,000 ft, from the debris spread across the island you would have to assume that the plane broke up at 10,000 ft or more, from that height the three plane sections would have an impact velocity exceeding mach .7 at least!!! THERE IS NO WAY THEY COULD HAVE SURVIVED… how is it that the nose section of the plane survived the impact with almost no sign of dammage?
Ill leave you with that
i liked the theory, but it was refutated a bit by the second season finale..and there are holes in it.. Do ou remember the misterious illness that has been talked about since the begining, but has not yet been revealed anything about it except its simptoms? to me the so called incident is no more than a bio hazard threat..RESIDENT EVIL anyone? i think the Swann Hatch is one of the Spoils of the research station..an experiment that cannot be shut down peacefully, much like a nuclear reactor..and the Black smoke another spoil, or a defense mechanism to kill any intruder, and so avoid any further contamination of the outside world… the Others are to me a bunch of mercenaries to protect the rest of the Scientist personel left in the island, being Henry gale the Head of both the mercs and the Scientists…as for the black smoke i think it doesn’t attack lock and Ecko, because they are of all people in the island the guys with more faith, im destiny, and a higher power/purpose.. the others say that they are the good guys only to manipulate ppl, or because they are the more mentally stable ones, who knows whats happening, and so not dangerous, cuz when under stress the human being is quite a dangerous creature, and the losties are just that..hell they killed more ppl in the island than any of the Others….thats my view…
It’s unlikely that the plane crash was staged, considering they show the tail end of the plane crashing into the water on the other side of the island. It would be difficult to stage a plane crash split in two especially when the "subjects" of the tail end of the plane would have the risk of drowning.
Also, there is a lot of reference in the show about healing (Locke’s legs, Bernard’s Wife, Jack’s Ex-wife, etc). One that hasn’t been talked about much, and particularly interested me was the part about Eko investigating the death (and resurrection) of the psychic’s daughter after she drowned. She was dead for a day and came back with insight about Eko’s brother (which also delayed Eko’s trip to LA so that he would be on that Oceanic flight). Perhaps this will happen again with another character (Libby perhaps)? I think Libby’s character was a little too significant to have such a quick and cheap death like that.
Great theory…but the fact that we saw other people living outside of the island makes us wounder – could it be that after they were frozen – now is the time to wake up and see what world is left.
Desmonds g-friend might be the wake-up call for all.
Michael and Walt need to go in one direction only – 325…Could it be that they will see the dead world in next seson?
What ever it is – i`m sure that all answers will be answered.
What ive noticed is this "we are the good guys" thing he said. If you remember in particular the tail section crash on the otherside of the island where the children and also other adult survivers were taken by the others via a list. It seems that these people were taken because they were "good souls" (good people).
I mean in the case of Mr echo, he was taken but resisted and killed them. Then later on back on the normal beach he goes into the hatch to see the captured "other" asks for his forgiveness and to tell him he is back on the right track. I was thinking the tried to take him as they thought he was a good soul (i guess childeren automatically qualify as there young and innocnet).
Also back in the hatch with the captured survivor, Lock asks him why he came here and he says to get him (lock) because he was one of the good ones, which lock replies good what.
This ties in where at the end of season 2 he goes "were the good guys".
Even in the episode "two for the road" when anna lousia and the captured "other" have that conversation before she holds the gun up to him. Where he says goodwin thought he could change her and that she was misunderstood (anna lousia).
And if you look at the flashblacks most of them havent been exactly saints. Dont know where this is going but just an idea. appologies for rabbling on, lol. too late now
why the hell would they be cryogenically frozen??? if it was all staged…. then they probably faked the turbulance, gas masks fall from the roof of the plane, and they were knocked out by…. GAS!!!!!! (choose your type!)
THEY BETTER EXPLAIN EVERYTHING>.<
and whats with libby being at mental place too >.< crazy mind games…
we definately need some answers! did he get his brother out of jail ??? is the prison blueprint tattoo on his back to scale ?? any ideas people?????
The magnetic energy theory would also help explain why rose isn’t sick… episode 219–> the magic healer in Australia told her that she just had to find her place, and he referred to the power being geographical/ magnetic
Hey guys! I watched the last epiosode, and I think that te man with the fake bear is Jack’s dad!!! Write for me : abelbokor@yahoo.com.
Sorry for the mistakes but i’m from romania!
How about the fact that a lot of the people on the island have names of great philosophers? Locke (John Locke), Hume (David Hume) Sayid (Edward Said, different spelling, but pronounced the same)
What about the US Army Knife taken by Anna L when she killed that other?
dont know did you notice that:every famous actor in the lost is playing 2 times.for example desmonds dharma partner,who found him,he was a intelligence officer.and the doctor of hurley,at the hospital,do you remember?:)i think we will see him again;what about that?
and i think the desmonds girlfriend is a scientist;she has been called from the guys from antartica(or s.w. cold) because she is working about worlds electromagnetism.i do not think that call includes any connections about desmond…..i’m sorry about my english:D
going back to the numbers, alot seems to come back to them. (4 8 15 16 23 42). the plane that crashed was flight 815 and 42 people survived. and i’m sure that the other numbers are relevant somehow i just haven’t worked out where yet.
4+8+15+16+23+42=108
flight 815 gate 23
8+15=23
hang with me
15+16+23-8-4=42
a stretch I know
perhaps these numbers also have relation to the 6 stations that are on the island
try to relate each number to a sign, (i.e. swan shark etc)
haven’t had the time to think more deeply but i will try to think over this matter
4+8-15+16-23+42= 42 hmmm
still just random adding and subtracting
but still just ideas to think about
perhaps other mathematical formulas and +-/* deducing other parallels in the series
I have been reading the past comments and was thinking about the ‘end of the world’ theory, that the survivors are on the island to re-populate the world……and someone said it can’t be true because we see desmond’s old bird alive and those other foren geezas…….well what if desmond’s girl is also on another ‘island’ or sumin similar…..and the men that phone her are flyin around the ruinned world, just like they can do in the matrix film……….
…….just a ramble though…….safe
sorry guys but i think dere is not one totally correct theory… ponit number 1, if the button pressing was just some thing for them to concentrate on, why when the button is not pressed those symbols appear, also were the scientists but something happened to make them the raggy type, before they were in that baby place but now they were in the forest, also the island is not the only thing left because the food came from the air from a plane from somwhere else…. to know the theory all you have to do is watch the series its all there, all you need to know!
Exellent blog ppl, and theories.
I just want to touch certain issues that I feel werent discussed enough or not at all. Let’s talk about the cable on the beach. Could there be an underwater hatch where some of the animald studies took place? And where does it lead to on the island? Saeed follow it to a point where he got trapped by Rousseau. When Hurley follows it, he’s stopped before reaching the end by Rousseau again, who confirms to him that he’s not crazy. But we dont see where it starts or ends. Is it a power supply line for the underwater hatch? Does it lead to the dharma island headquarters? In the first season, apart from the smoke monster and the hatch, the cable was the 3rd most intriguing item found on the island. And, if not for the smoke monster looming,It would have been the ONE thing I would have tried to follow to see if it lead to any type of help or shelter..Any thoughts?
The electromagnetic anomaly.
I think there are other spots on earth similar to the island, but too remote to harvest and use its energy.(bermuda triangle, too deep. High up on the Himmalayas etc…)The Island was a fluke discovery by Hanso who was exploring the south pole and witnessed first hand the electromagnetic release (the glow could be mistaken for northern/southern lights) we saw at the end of season 2 and I believe Windmore may be financing the project with him. They hired scientists and found a way to harvest the electromagnetic energy of the island by keeping it at bay (in the concrete/steel hull of the hatch) in a dome-like fashion and keeping under control its impulsion by releasing its energy in a controlled fashion every 108 minutes, checked on by the orbiting satellite AND a hot air balloon!. That would make the island undetectable and unchartable and could explain why it aint mapped. I also think that if it can bring down a jumbo jet at 35 thousand feet, it can attract perhaps other "things", maybe of the 4 toed kind?????????
My Lost theory
THe scientists there realized the potential for all kinds of physical, psychological,anatomical and parapsychological experimentation with animal, human and yes, physical matters that have electromagnetic fields. I believe the "incident" was a dispute that split the good scientists vs the bad ones, or ones that were studying more delicate subjects such as mind control and what not. Maybe the army had something to do with some of the projects. Something happened and the buttons werent pressed, and they were not ready for it. 4 THINGS HAPPENED.
1 Some scientists died, splitting the group in half definately
2 A hot air ballon crashed!
3 A cessna full of heroin crashed!
4 The 4 toed ppl came.
The real Others
By far the most far fetched, but why a statue with 4 toed feet the size of yankee stadium? Perhaps a humanoid like species that gave some technological advances (smoke monster security system etc)in exchange for 42 patients in a dharma mental institution? put them in a plane with regular ppl, crash the planes but leave only the 42 ppl needed alive. The flashbacks are just what the survivor’s were experiencing as mental illnesses in their pre crash life. (Jack’s god complex, Hurley’s fascination with numbers,Kate having the feeling of being chased and followed,Sawyers tragic witnessing of his fathers suicide etc….)They are slowly starting to remember things that will all link them up to the institution we saw libby, hurley ,HUrley’s imaginary buddy dave and the guy that greeted desmond on the island at. How this will unfold, well, ask JJ and Damon!
Wow I have to say there are some great theories here. Still watching series 2 here in ye olde England we are only ¼ the way through. WE ARE LIKE A YEAR BEHIND
, but then i found the world of abc.com. Watched all of it on ABC.com from America 
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Like many of you have said, SO many questions, so little answers. It seems to me that every episode we get more questions than answers, but Im not complaining, love the show and this link has kept me occupied for hours, while re watching the episode for al the little subtle hints,
I just noticed on the episode where hurly is drinking milk in his dream there is a picture of Walt on the carton with the words missing, if I am correct.
Also how does this smoke move the trees, and why does it make all the animal and mechanical noises, is there a machine hidden within?
As mentioned before, where is there a darmha lab doors but when open reveals a mountain. hmmmm more concrete poring like in the other bunker ????
Why would a plane be affected by a magnetic field, are they not contructed from mostly aluminium, which (if my physics knowledge is correct) isnt affect my magnetic fields.
What happened to the horse that Kate kept seeing, or have I missed something somewhere ??? >_<
Really cant wait for series three to come in the US, Ill be watching it from the UK a day late on ABC.com, then hopefully download of Itunes later.
I read somewhere that the third series is going to concentrate more on the OTHERS, and their back grounds. Hopefully we might get some answers, cos if I dont get some soon I might just burs. OH NO BANG
P.S. I love the giraffe theory, made me laugh, I’m hoping there will be some giraffes on the island, is would make lost such a nicer place.
Wow, Thanks Jeff 5/29/2006 2:09 AM for pointing out that one of the 2 scientists in the finale of season 2 was "Jack". But not really… I don’t think it is the same person, maybe he just played him for fun, maybe not! could be a Jack from a different dimention, or a different time? Also, no one seems to have much to say about the 4 toed statue? Aliens, other dimension, other time? I wouldn’t mind reading some theories on that. Defenitely the whole magnetic poles thing seems right on, but then again, as mentionned by a fellow fan, these shifts tend to occur quite regularly, to no major effects, or "cataclysms". Now, I think the Dharma innitiative has built the proper equipment and tools to harvest its power. I love how Desmond also mentions to Jack in part 1 of the season 2 finale that they are all stuck in a snow globe. As hard as they try, they cannot escape the island.
This island brought them together for a reason, and these characters particularly for a purpose. There is no Cryogenic freezing. Peneloppe and her father are obviously major players in this show, and am positive the developpments will be great regarding them.
I wish we would have gotten more questions answered by the end of season 2, but these writers love to keep us on the edge of our seats and in full suspense, and I don’t know why anyone would complain that season 2 was not as good as the first one.
Now, what will be of the hatch, of Locke, Ecko, and Desmond? I am dissapointed with John Locke’s change of heart on the whole pushing the button thing. So add up the numbers like some of you mentionned, and you get 108, the amount of minutes before the next push of the button, isn’t that also the amount in hundreds of million Hugo won? Libby’s involvement with Desmond, Michael’s betrayal, four toed statue, the other’s true intentions, Walt’s abilities?
There is so much unresolved, but they sure set us up for a great season 3. The 3rd season of a show is usually quite important. Since the first season sets all up, then the second one explains a bit, and its usually where a lot of new viewers jump in, season 3 pretty much decides the faith of the series. I defenitely think that we are in for quite a ride. I know this will be really interesting, and I cant wait till October comes… I’m a little worried about this whole 7 episodes, and then a break, to pick up again only in February or so.
Let me start off by saying that this is the first lost blog I’ve ever visited, so it has been interesting and fun reading everything. I’d also like to propose that people who can’t even grasp the complexities of 2nd grade english no longer be allowed to post.
Probably the best point I can contribute related to the big theory discussion…. is that people should realize it was written (or at least posted) in the middle of the 2nd season, so most of the show specifics come from the first season and beginning of 2nd season.
I definitely agree with the person who pointed out that since it is a TV show, there really cannot be a solution as complicated as this to explain. I’m not on board with the cryogenics, repopulaing the earth, or collective conciousness. There will, however, definitely be curveballs and questions continuously even through the series finale.
I think that the theory is still really cool though, and definitely contains some relevant information I probaly would’ve never known; the genesis of the name Alvar Hanzo, the satelite orbiting every 108 minutes, the details of the comic book. Among others, these are testments to the brilliance of the creators.
I’d also like to mention something I caought from the show that no one else has pointed out. HENRY GALE in the first season. He is in the ‘Numbers’ episode when Hurley is visting the mental institute to talk to the guy who repeats the numbers over and over. They were showing all the bad luck Hurley had been having, when he is at the reception desk there is a custodian on top of a ladder working on a light or something. Hurley says to him something like "Dude, could you not do that now". The custodian is Henry.
Like I said, I haven’t looked at other sites, so I don’t know. Maybe everyone already knows this, or maybe this Henry spotting is already laughed at for not being true. Just give me some feedback, maybe someone has a screenshot of it to post.
Great discussion here! It’s really fun to not only watch a great show like Lost, but to engage with people around the world on theories, explanations and easter eggs.
A few things to note-
The show is written script to script. So right now all of the theories that we speculate may not even be in written word yet. I’d assume that the writers took a small vacation after writing the Season 2 Finale and have probably penned 5-6 episodes of Season 3 by now, but certainly not the ultimate ending, especially since we don’t know when the show will be ending. This series could theoretically last longer than Seinfeld did. (And whose to say that the cast of Seinfeld won’t show up on the island at some point).
The ironic twist is that the writers are probably monitoring forums like this one and our collective consciousness as a group may be willing them (or inspiring them) to write some of the theories we’ve espoused. Carlton, if you’re listening, I vote for the Killer Giraffe theory.
Another thought– what if instead of trying to find Desmond, Penelope hired those guys to find the Island because the real world has frozen over (ie- The Day After Tomorrow, etc.) and she (and/or her Dad) are looking to find refuge in the only known tropical paradise? LA, NY, London, all of Portugal, etc are all frozen over and they’re looking for a place to escape the barren new world. Far fetched, but fun.
Last tidbit, not sure if was mentioned or not, but in the S2 Finale did anyone catch Alex Rousseau’s "boob grab" of Kate when Kate, Jack and Sawyer were bound and on their knees on the dock? I glanced it the first time and had to rewind to see if I was correct, but not only does she grab her blatantly, there’s no way it was a mistake. If a person was to try to lift someone from behind that way, there’s no way they would put their hands in that position. Homage to the Janet Jackson incident during the Superbowl? Fun prank from the cast members that survived the cutting room floor? Who knows, but I laughed.
I can’t believe we have to wait 3.5 months to see the next episode.
-m
The fact that a lot of the characters seem to show up in each other’s back stories does suggest a kind of "vanilla sky" aspect of the show. It lends weight to the theory that they are all connected is some sort of mental capacity, just as Tom Cruise inserted aspects of his former waking life into his dream like, matrix like reality. Just a thought.
Josh
Things cleared up
*When the men phoned ‘Pen’, they explained they had found it. This of course was their computer.
*When Jacks ‘captured’ party were walking past the curved tube, they failed to count up all the containers, divide them by 13.1 to get 10800 then divide that by 100 then the numbers to make 108 are 4,8,15,16,23,42
*The Shark has a logo because of the violent sex it had with Dharma workers and it must have just rubbed off.
*Locke was in a wheel chair because he is infact PROF. XAVIER.
*Libby died because a blanket is not a shield..
*The Island is a prison ; Hence the kidnapping of kids, the killings, beatings and stealing.
*Jacks dad was a coffin.
*The man before Desmond and that CIA guy was painting the wall for the hit film
‘The Da Vinci 2: The Island’
*Lockes Dad is his mother and founder of Dharma’s baby unit.
*The Numbers are a sequence of events, that bring the chosen few into the grasp of the sinister ‘Others’ . By good ones, the ‘Others’ mean those who bleed Chocolate.
Hope that cleared up your problems.
ROLL ON SEASON 3
I cant help but think, what if…
Imagine the government (army)discovered the island by mistake, pure luck. They decide to create a project called the "Dharma Initiative" to investigate the islands special electromagnetic properties. The code name, and everything else related to this project would be referred to as the only known coordinates to this island…4.8.15.16.23.42 (food articles, hatches, serum bottles etc) Hanso is hired along with the couple from belgium and other scientists to investigate what they could do to animals and matter with the unusual electromagnetic forces here. Upon exploring the island, the army discovers the 4 toed statue and destroy it for fear it can be seen, and that they dont want at all costs. The army ordered the scientists to form a dome like shield with the forces here to prevent whatever the 4 toed people are to come back. Before they were able to harness the power, most of the original scientists died of radiation poisoning. (Hence the syrum injections. I believe that "Adam and Eve" found in the caves are the belgium couple we see in the instruction videos in the hatches) What the army didnt expect was that there WAS 4 toed people already on the island. They use the electromagnetic beem as a way to travel through space and time.They then became very interested in us humans, since they seem to be humanoid like in fashion if you take it that the HOSTILES (Or 4 toed people)are the people we saw walking barefooted in the jungle carrying that creepy teddy bear. What happened then is truly amazing. They showed the army and scientists what they could do with the electromagnetic field… " telepathy, mind projection,altering solid states etc…" and wanted to experiment on us humans. That created a stir in the scientists and divided them up. Some tempted a "coup" to take control of the island but were quickly put out of action, but not before the buttons were pushed!!! Thats when Rousseau and her crew come in ,same as the cessna with eko’s brother. Thats when the 4 toed people discover BABIES (rousseau’s Alex)and how they can PROGRAM their minds in a way far superior then their own! They see in eko’s brother’s memory the grandmother of walt and are shocked to see a human with special mental abilities like theirs! Yes, eko IS related to Walt and Michael. They need to find eko and walt ,and humans to experiment on. And BABIES. Thats when they also realize the army wants to use those forces for evil purposes and slowly plan to kill off the army personel and all uncooperrating scientists after they get some humans on the island.Enter Windmore. The prime financial backer for this ultra secret project. Being in various lucrative businesses, Windmore made friends in politics and in the army. Turns out Windmore’s daughter is dating a army guy. After talking to the right peple, he (Desmond) gets arrested and barracked. Windmore also has interest in the medical area and has an asylum where he hopes to cure schizophrenia and other bi-polar disorders. The army informs Windmore of the possible technological advances they could gain by helping these 4 toed people. The 4 toed people think they can get people that are mentally unstable (read the brain’s own electromagnetic current isnt connecting properly causing altered states of reality and confusion in patients) physically handicapped and diseased incurably well again and functioning normally! So, they move a WHOLE MENTAL ASYLUM WARD TO THIS REMOTE ISLAND TO DO RESEARCH AND ADVANCE THE HUMAN BRAIN AND REDUCE ILLNESSES! That why we see all the major players in that damm mental ward Hurley was in! Hurley, Hurley’s buddy Dave, Henry Gale fixin’ the light bulb, the guy that greeted Desmond on the Island is a Dr at that ASYLUM. And poor Desmond, who’s probably the only sane guy sent there by Windmore as punishment for not having left his daughter alone. LIBBY IS A KEY PLAYER. LIBBY’S THE LINK. She’s a friend of PENELOPE, unknown to Desmond, who works at the Asylum as a nurse. She’s approched by Windmore to set up Desmond and send him to the island by offereing him a boat doomed to sail to the coordinates we all know (4.8.15.16.23.42). Libby also picks the 42 people needed for the experiments by actually joining them and seeing who are the WORST OFF PEOPLE, the ones with severe mental ilnesses and with no families and visitors. She also selects a physically handicapped person with severe low self estime, an incurable cancer patient and her unaware cancer striken husband, a comatosed has been rockstar junkie…etc After the fact, Libby feels terrible for what she has done to her best friend and tells her the truth about her fathers plans with Desmond. This sends father and daughter in a fit and Libby’s sent to the island as punishment also. Libby’s responsible for gathering all the major players that make the survivors if you want. Now, once on the Island, the "patients" wake up, with their brain waves functioning as they normally would. I believe the crash WAS staged. It was the only way for the survivors not to remember
what their previous conditions were. READ MENTALLY ILL. JACK=GOD COMPLEX KATE=BIPOLAR SAWYER=INSANE FROM DAD’S SUICIDE SAEED=FROM TORTURING. The Others, Henry gale, are battling the 4 toed people so they can find a way home. The project has gone all wrong and they are trapped there with these beings with superintelligent kids in tow, all army personell killed and the island untracable. THE FLASHBACKS are glimpses of the illnesses the survivors had, and the fact we see them often in each others flashes is simple, they have seen each other at the ASYLUM THEY WERE ALL IN. Ana lucia insane after killing in cold blood. Jin and Sun insane from not being able to love each other…The rest of the show will tell us how the others will break the news to the crash survivor, who the 4 toed people are and the ultimate battle to escape the island. The hatches were built to shield the personel from the deadly radiation. Hurley is the most intriging to the 4 toed peple. He’s the one who had the numbers in his head to start out with. WAlt projected himself to the 4 toed people by mistake, unable to control his powers on the island, making things appear like the polar bear…etc. That made them want him under control quickly before he could do what type of damage??? There’s so much that season 3 has to deliver, in the name of us lost ones……
is it me or dont you think the plots going to end up like the film "The Village" by M.Night.Shyamalan. think about it people, its probly just the corporate owner of the DHARMA initiative who got tired with live and all of its faults and decided on constructing a project which would change animal habitats, wreck peoples lives, enforce fear into the psychy! dillude the stranded survivors! oh yeh and change the magnetic field of the world! abit like the village! create a totaly new society away from civilization n spread fear by using so called monsters!! neway both series have been fantastic! there hasn’t been another show like it. and is the black smoke a result of the magnetic field or parapsycology?
My theorie is everything is related to Hugo. He is the guy who has spoken to all the survivors, so he’s the link between them all
Just review episode 4 of season 2. He knows the numbers before the plain crash.
The scene after he quits his job and is in the musicstore. He tells the girl behind the counter he quited his job. Whats the girls reaction: Your messing with my worlds view here hugo; your my rock, i mean, if you quit your job the next thing you know bea’s will stop making honey and flowers will die. Hell the whole damn thing will fall apart. The next episode with hugo’s flashbacks his "friend" from crazyclinic says he’s dreaming everything.
interesting theories. but did no-one else think there was a very religious feel to the second series?? claires baby being christened, eko and charlie building a church, charlies visions, etc. would it not make more sense if the plane DID crash and all on board were killed. the good people then went to heaven, the bad to hell, and the in-betweens to purgatory; a la the island. thats why they cant get away from the island, thats why they cant contact the outside world. all the characters are in-betweeny characters; good hearted people who have done bad things, or not so good people who might regret the way they have lived and who could be saved (henry gale says to anna-lucia he thought of her as someone along those lines). also, if it were the real world would there be supernatural monsters made out of smoke?? when alone or in dreams the characters face their demons. this is a test to see if they are worthy for heaven. either they have done something bad and are being tested to see if they want to make amends (charlie doing bad things as a a junkie, sawyer shooting an innocent man, anna lucia killing a man), or have some personal issues they must resolve before moving on (jacks issues with his dad, hurleys paranoia/obsession he is mad). and the others are the caretakers if you will; they run the show indirectly and come to abduct (and send on to heaven or hell) the people whom they have come to a conclusion about, hence the lists of names and them proclaiming theyre the good guys despite numerous abductions. one of the most amazing moments i felt was when henry gale said "i work for a powerful man, a truly great man…" and seemed in awe just mentioning him. god, maybe?? there is no north because there is no north pole, compasses become useless and irrelevant in this plane of existance. there is ONLY the island. also, the polar bears arent there because they swam there thinking it was the north pole; even if the island were real it would be somewhere between LA and sydney. polar bears aint gonna swim thousends of miles from the north pole just to get there. the button when not pushed at the end made the whole sky go white – i dont know much about electromagnetism but would a huge burst do this, anyone?? im not sure. pushing the button is an act of faith (those exact words from locke) – faith being a predominant theme of lost. faith in one another, faith in themselves and faith in the island. im an atheist myself, but watching lost this is the theory that made most sense to me. anyone else think this makes sense or is a load of rubbish??
this is definitely the multiple personality syndrome associated with maybe hurley who’s makin it all up on a chair in a psyche ward! maybe he’s a scientist "fallen over the edge" so is using all the scientific, electromagnetic etc stuff…
or or or
maybe these r all dangerous mutated psychos condemned to live in isolation on the islad always under watch…
season 3 ahoy!! (and plz spill the beans fast… i cant take a season 4 as well!!)
just thought id say that the whole magnetism thing seems a little far fetched for the writers, theyre bril and everything but i dont think they would stretch the viewers minds so far… but thats not to say they wont!
But just saying something about the "others" and the possiblity of them having a home off the island, i do think theres only one group of them. But when syied went into their camp that michael gave directions to why was it empty (maybe a diversion buu maybe not), at the end when we see a complete shot of the wooden veranda that theyre on (others kate soyer etc…) the sing over it saying its a port kinda makes me think that theyre not LIVING on the island but protecting it (they said theyre letting the survivors live there) so out there somewhere is their actual home, and im liking the theory that theyve sent michael there because through or previous experience of what they do they dont seem like the kind of people that are just going to trade and let michael/ walt go, on their boat which as far as we know theres only one of!
anyways ive been ranting about the others as the prospect of the really interests me, and LOST has to be the most thoughtful show ever, not only in its conventions but also in the way its making everyone think about the plot and reasons! where do you come up with a story line that takes so many turns bringing together 2 peoples on a magnetic island!?
Its only a small thing but it is annoying me: I understand that the magnets would screw up the compass that Desmond was using but most Sailors especially those travelling by them selves would have learned and be able to navigate by the stars. I assume they can see the stars! And I am also pretty sure that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west (I know it changes thought the year making it rise further NE or SE but it is still east), this should make it easy to check a compass.
Read through all these posts here last night so thought the least I could do is put something back.
Most of all after the theory, which does have a significant amount of interesting stuff even if it appears after the end of season 2 that it may be fatallay flawed, I enjoyed those who kept their sense of humor about them, and particularly the authors of the band of killer giraffes theory and of the (in retrospect obvious) key point that Locke is in fact Professor Xavier.
Those both had me snorting, I confess.
Sorry to hear someone railing against those with non-perfect English, however. Surely there is room for them to enjoy and comment on lost, as well? One would hope so.
Wish I had it all figured out, of course, and could provide you all the answer, but that will just have to wait. I hope they can come through on the back end with some sort of even quasi-resolution that will live up to all the suspense they’ve been building so far on the front end.
Hello everybody,
just one word about my theory…
Every one is in a kind of virtual reality game as so realistic as ExistenZ (movie).
Each came in a center of virtual reality for the last amazing game… They told their past (family, issues, fears, dreams…) and all this was put in the machine and they were invited to enter the game (in fact a kind of game close to Matrix except it was not a game for Neo)…
What do you think ?
Hi,
It sounds like a good theory, plently of work obviously went in to it. One question, you talk about two groups of other, natives, and the scientists. But the frenchwoman’s child was taken but the others, including people from both groups and the same happened to Walt did it not? The guy with the fake beard and ‘henry’ were working with Ethan i thought.
Firsly the colective conscience is real. See the comic books in the very begining…It adds up…BUT
I was thinking! Wot really happened when the failsafe key was turned and the sky went white and the loud noise etc???
-My theory is that the magnetic poles have shifted again on the island. So now even if Michael and Walt follow the co-ordinates give to them by Henry they will land up on the island
cos the compass will be out…
Also how are they gonna enter the numbers now that lok destroyed the computer???
Maybe it is just a plane crash, and maybe the plane crashed, because, a plane is made of metal, and the island is magnetic, so that’s why it crashed, rousseau’s story is true, the others are people who’ve crashed too, they take the children so they can build a ‘dinasty’, and they’ll be alive, not the main group, and they kill people to scare them, to keep them ‘dumb’ about what’s going on at the island, which they have allready figured out…
You know the theory of the whole magnetism thing it’s great.
This is my Theory
The Island is a gateway to Heaven and Hell. The people who were good in their life (e.g Boone) will be killed first while they were on the Island and the people that were bad in there life (e.g Charlie) will be left on the Island to be scared and will be killed last and then they would go to hell.
I don’t think this theory is as good as yours but what the heck.
Hi Everyone this is Ryan Macdonald from bonnie Scotland hows everyone LOST what a tv programme best ever.
A like the theory from jonny its sounds rather good the whole heaven & Hell would be great i think. I think that everyone died on the crash and the flashbacks are them just dreaming about thier life running up to before they died but i think that would be rather stupid if that was the case but u never know. I think the directors are better than that hopefully.
Im nae bright spark but i just had a thot have not the the last episode in series 2 but i was reading ur theories and a light bulb came over ma head. So lets get down to buisness……….
My Theory is that their is two parts of the others the scientists and the jungle others and that two guys in the antarctic are part of the scientists and have been looking for the island to get the animals they captured in the antarctic eg POLAR BEARS to get back to the island and to do research on them that explains the phone call to penny to tell her that they have found the island again as i think it is joined with the ANTARCTIC thats how the POLAR BEAR was in the jungle in SERIES 1. I also think that the MONSTER is a MACHINE that the scientists built to tame the animals when they had been EXPERIMENTED on but it all went wrong as i think it was RESEARCH on animal TEMPER to see what the animals go like when whatever they gave them WHILE TESTING THEM.
WOW! This Blog kept me hooked from start to finish (and awake into the early hours). It’s great to read all of your opinions and theories, some i’m sure must be quite close to the ‘truth’(with the exception of the Giraffe theory, which is a shame) of the amazing programme that is Lost. Lets face it we’re never going to guess whats really going on but the theres no harm in trying!
In my opinion what makes the show great is all the little twists that are subtley added with no explanation, for example- the numbers on the police cars, Walt on the Milk carton, faces in the black cloud, Henry up the ladder. Bring on more of those i say! If you guys know of anymore Blog them.
Just reading ur thots sleepy head and the question u were asking was if any 1 knows anymr well i have a few so here it goes. in the orientation tape the 1 in the bunker with the scientist in it u mite of noticed he had a fake arm but wat u mite not of noticed that he only had 1 eye that was moving correct me if im wrong but what did anna lucias group find when they stumbled across that other bumker while moving thru the jungle.
Hear is another 1. Hurley got in 2 trouble at his work by his boss RANDY for eating the food and not paying for it no big deal rite
WRONG….
If u take a closer look episode 4 of series 1 locke is giving in 2 trouble for speaking on the phone by a annoying boss called RANDY so a bit weird uh
Im not sure if anyone has talked about this but i think that the "others" have a connection with the US army.
When Pickett, or whatever his name is, was saying michaels friends were "half a klick" behind them, i read that klick was military slang for km. also in "the other 48 days" ana asks goodwin were would the others get an army knife from?? Theres 2 things that could mean that the others are military. Another, although this might not have anything to do with the others because we still dont know if the others are dharma, Inman was working for the military, and we know this for sure because in the episode "what kate did" we see Inman talking to Sayid. So theres something to think about.
Cheers for the hints Brown, like the true LOST geek that I am im going to go back and see if i can spot these things for myself. I also heard a rumor that if you look closer in one of the DHARMA video’s you can see someone stood in one of the window?? Can’t find it myself. But goodluck if anyone can be bothered to try.
Cheers sleepy head. what part of the orientation tape r u on about as there is two parts to it i have seen both parts to it but as far as i can remember there is no windows but anyways i shall have a look. PS thanks for the info. cheers
Hi its Jamie and my mate Ryan u might have seen a few of his rare theorys.
But anyways we were looking at the episode where the hierogliphics are on the screen where the numbers 108 are on and we were trying to find it out on the web what they ment but no suprise we couldn’t. does any1 no? we did find 2 letters the first was c and the second was u but we noticed that the hierogliphics did change so was wondering if there is more than 1 word.
Not sure which video it’s supposed to be in, but apparently it’t there somewhere, cant find it myself. What was it that Anna Lucia found in the other Bunker? I dont think that i spotted that one? Im on the hunt for more subtle clues because im sure they’re going to be significant in the end. RyanG (UK)
Its all in Hurleys head of course.
He won the lottery by choosing a set of numbers- 4,8,15,16,23,42
His life went bad and he ended up in a mental institute with other patients including Locke, Kate, Jack etc.
He is very interested in Science fiction (hence the comic) and therefore while in the mental institute fantasises about an island with magnetic anomalies, incorporating him and the characters he has met in the mental institute into the story. The flash backs we see are the patients recollection of their experiences to Hurley.
The reason that there are so many coincidences relating to the numbers for example the flight is number 815, and 42 people survived etc, is because as Hurley is creating this world he is subconsciously drawn to using these numbers. Similarly we see those numbers on everything as Hurley just cannot get them out of his head.
Also the fact that the islanders have to type in the numbers on the computer in the bunker or the world will end, is just a reflection of Hurleys struggle with the numbers in his head. He is not sure whether he needs those numbers to survive or whether he can break free of them (with the button not being pressed).
This theory also explains why some of the characters in the flashbacks are linked to each other. i.e. desmond and jack meeting in their past. This is just because they are both in the same hospital together and Hurley is adding the characters he has met into the patients recollection of their history.
This theory also explains why things from the islanders past are manifesting themselves on the island. For example the horse from Kates past and the plane from Ekos past. This is just Hurley incorporating the patients recollections into his fantasy.
This theory also explains all the unusual or supernatural activity as it is alls Hurley overactive imagination and indulgance in his love of science fiction. The important to thing to remember is that the actual plot (whatever it is) is ultimately inconsequential as it is all in the big mans head!
Well since mr candle had only 1 movinig eye in the tape the other 1 was a glass eye when anna lucias group went into the other bunker they found a glass eye in the box along with the bible and the radio
any other questions just fire them at me ha ha only jokeing
So thats who mr candle is? Ok well… this is a little far fetched but apparently if you zoom into the picture of Walt on the Milk carton you can see Mr Candle’s face in his eye. Hmmmm what you think?
RYAN G R U JUST TAKING THE PISS COZ CLEARLY U CANNA SEE WALTS EYES ANYWAY SO EH GOOD ONE
Nah thats why i said it was far fetched, i just repeated what was on another sight, but they seem sure they can see something. But i got a feeling people may just be inventing things.
So I just started watching Lost a couple of weeks ago and Im so hooked. I watched the pilot back in 04 and thought it was going to be a survival/adventure show, not a mystery. So when the monster showed up I thought this is retarded. Why does there have to be a dinosaur on the island? Is it really that hard to write a compelling story without special fx and monsters? And I didnt watch it any more. Im actually glad that I did because I dont think I could have waited a whole week between every episode. Also Ive been living in germany for awhile and so I didnt hear about all the hype. Well they just started showing it over here and after watching episodes 2 and 3 of season one I was hooked. I bought all the episodes from itunes and watched both seasons in just a little over a weeks time. I actually started taking notes around the end of the first season (first show that every got me to do that… coincidentally, Alias was the first show to make me wish I had taken notes). So let me get to the point. I dont have a complete theory but I have made some interesting observations and a theory as to why Libby was killed. Here it goes.
First the connections between everyone before the plane crash. Bare with me; I do have a point. Well start with the obvious Desmond (David Hume) and Jack connection. Then we know that Jack is connected to Ana Lucia through Jacks Dad. Sawyer ran into the car door that Ana Lucia and Jacks dad were in outside the cocktail bar (Sawyer is of course also connected to Jack via Jacks dad… also the only three way connection). With Sawyer theres a small offshoot to Boone and Shannon; Sawyer was in the Sydney police station at the same time Boone was. Next Sawyer is connected to Kate via Kates mom. She was the waitress in the cafe when Sawyer and his friend were working out their con plan. Kate is connected to Sayid via Kates dad who was the military officer who used Sayid as a translator. Sayid is connected to Locke via Sayids girlfriend who was talking to Locke about buying a house. Locke is connected to Hurley via the box company. Hurleys accountant explains to him at one point that he owns a box company (weak I know but its still a connection; and note that the only strong connections are ones that involve fathers). And last Hurley is connected to Libby via the insane asylum. And this is why I think Libby had to be killed. She was connected to Desmond and died just before he returned on his boat. This would have completed the circle and gotten everyone asking questions (for instance, Jack and Sawyer would start to think their connection was no coincidence and others would have figured out their connections too). So I think it was no coincidence that Libby went back to the hatch for blankets at the moment she did. The island doesnt want them to know about their connections. Now I know what youre thinking, what about the others? Consider this: Claire and Eko seem to be isolated but they are connected to one another via the psychic and so I think that particular connection is important some how. And the others that have no connection are ones who didnt come to the island alone i.e. Jin and Sun, Rose and Bernard, and Walt and Mike. The only person who doesnt fit in any way, the only exception, is Charlie. Hes alone and not connected to anyone. Or did I miss it somehow? Charlie’s also the only person to be brought back to life after an incident. Maybe the others are good and somehow knew he would live.
Also theres always exchanges on the island. For instance, Boone died just as Aaron was born. Jin and Suns relationship ended just as Sayid and Shannons began. And just as Sayid and Shannons relationship ended, Jin and Suns began again. When Hurley and Libbys began Charlie and Claires was on the rocks.
And lastly, heres a question that has really bothered me. Whats up with sex on this island. At first I thought it was just unrealistic writing that nobody ever hooked up but now I think it may have some significance. Consider, do we really believe that someone like Sawyer wouldnt have been more aggressive with Kate? Especially when you think about how many times they were alone. And Charlie has never even tried to give Claire so much as a kiss. And then somehow Hurley is able to hook up with (or was just about to) someone as hot as Libby? None of it makes any sense. Ive also noticed that any women who kiss someone wind up dead very shortly after i.e. Shannon, Libby and Ana Lucia with the exception of the married couples and Kate for some reason. There is definitely something going on with the sexuality of these people and Im surprised no ones noticed this. Im not sure what to make of it all but I know it means something.
And one last thing, when the hell is Emmanuel Kant going to make his appearance?
The Real Truth.
The lost writers wrote only the first 2 seasons – maybe 3. they visit websites like these to write the rest of their seasons. you guys make it so easy. you cover every possibility. they will simply choose the best scenario and write to suite that. all they need to do is keep things consistant like the numbers. – everyone knowing everyone. – so on and you guys do the rest of the work. – they get the money for the scripts you guys are writing for them. why do you think the monster/smoke has made so little appearance- they dont know what it is yet. – you are the writers and you dont even know it. hows that theory
Gates of Heaven.
Judgement day.
The final test.
I could tell you all the plot now but that would be to easy for you all.
but here is a biggy for you lot who like answers.
Clue 1
Question – what do the symbols mean on the countdown machine.
Someone earlier found out this
CU_A_
Do you want the missing letter
CUIAL
Any ideas yet
Maybe desmonds favourite goodbye saying will give you the answer.
Clue 2
I wonder how many steps to heaven there are!!!
Such fun
I have seen the same letters corresponding to the symbols on the countdown on other sites. I never put together that it could be "see you in another life". That is a very good find if those are in fact the correct letters for the symbols.
As far as the heaven/hell/purgatory theories i dont buy that one in any shape or form.
Anyone notice that the guy that picks up Desmond on the island when he first arrives, and the military guy who drops Sayid off by the side of the road in Iraq is the same person? What’s the connection here, and why? Any ideas?
C U I A L (Brother)
your theory about there being two groups of others is wrong. before henry choked ana lucia he said:’goodwin(the spy in the tailies camp) said you could still be a good one’ meaning henry and goodwin are connected. henry is in the same group as zeek/tom and zeek/tom was talking to ethan in claire’s flashback meaning they are all interconnected
In response to Phil on July 05, 2006 at 05:58 AM about the Army knife.
My guess is that the army knife originally was Kelvin’s. Kelvin was the general or whatever in the US army that forced Sayid to question his own commander. The others most likely found Kelvins body and took what they wanted from him, just like they searched Henry Gales body to get his name and identification to use.
THANKS FOR TELLING ME THE REST OF THE SYMBOLS ON THE NUMBER BOARD I THOT THAT IT WAS CUIAL BUT I WASNT SURE.
I LIKE UR THOTS NIETZSCHE THATS PRETTY GOOD I WAS GETTING QUITE CONFUSED WITH THE CONNECTION THING BUT U DID EXPLAIN IT PRETTY GOOD (I THINK I SPELT QUITE WRONG BUT WHO CARES)
When Locke types first time the code,(Desmond pointing gun at him)he presses to buttons. Later he is the guy who is most exact about the time of giving code. I think it’s strange.
When Locke types first time the code,(Desmond pointing gun at him)he presses TWO buttons, instead of one. Later he is the guy who is most exact about the time of giving code. I think it’s strange. Sorry i have bad english!
HE TYPES THE NUMBERS IN AND THEN PRESSES EXICUTE SO WAT U ON A BOUT TWO BUTTONS
they are all chosen to be part of a massive nuclear experiment on the island that is why there is nuclear bunkers on the island
do you think the others have control over the smokey beast and the polar bears?
when do you think the bunkers were put on the island and what do you think the reasons are?
just thought do you think there could be a massive war in last series and who do you think would win also how many others do you think there are?
I have read this blog and I think people in here have guite interesting theorys and WOW how wild imagination!
I think however that Lost is far more realistic serie. I think (and hope) that Lost "could" be based on real events, that it`s a story about real people, their "survival stories" in the real life across the world and on the island which is a secret "test" island of the American government and military. Remember there are more survivors than just the persons who are starring in Lost!
But the story is of course part fictional..I think it`s full of symbols, contrast and what ifs. Could it be true that we have unused resources within us? We could! Can we measure those? Maybe!
All together Lost is my addiction now and I`m so curious to see season 3! I just believe that the story is more made for "ordinary" than fanatic sience fiction people. Hello, it has to be interesting (and fashionable) to many kinds of people who are watching it!!!
I really hope the story ending has SURVIVORS, if not….blaa blaa blaa etc.
Any comments?
Your theory sounds okay except if they wanted to create a community for the future of the human, why equip them with weapons…
I’am from Poland. Lubi?(I like) ogl?da?(watch) serial LOST. Sk?d (Where) list(letter) od(from) na?eczonej(married) Desmonda na bunkrze na wyspie w dotatku w ksi??ce(book) któr? mia?(have) przeczyta?(read) w ostatniej(last) chwili.(time leave)
lost in finland i think alot of whatyou are saying is true but it can’t be that realistic if there is black smoke floating about and polar bears on an island can it?
sz for it saying i am writing early in the morning but i am from the uk
This show is turning into a Davinci Code by the power of 10, and like the Davinci Code, you can read too much into things, I believe the writing staff and creators have placed clues in the show, and this year through the internet and we are piecing things together bit by bit but I dont think well ever get a step ahead of the writers and if we did, would we know?
All your theories are fantastic. Its helping me understand the show a whole lot more.
I love the Giraffe theory, if any of the writing staff from the show have read that; they should get the CGI guys to mock one up, just for the enjoyment it will give the fan base here and mess with the minds of the fans that havent read this massive collection of blogs / theories.
Keep up the theorising folks, well crack it together or go completely mad and miss the final season due to extreme mental illness.
4 8 15 16 23 42
Im not great at maths but I think the only prime number in the list is 23. Not even 108 is a prime number, though I could be wrong.
This probably means nothing but its another aspect of the numbers to look at.
Electromagnetic anomalies can be found in some parts of the world and using the idea on the TV show is a great idea.
While sailing up the east coast of Australia in the year 1770, James Cock came upon just such an Island. Its still known as Magnetic Island today.
The name of the island came about because of the apparent "magnetic" effect it had on the ship’s compass as it passed the island.
People have since explored the island with magnets to verify the field that Cook experienced, but none have been discovered.
Magnetic Island is off the coat of north Queensland, north of the tropic of Capricorn. Im sure there are other land masses in history like Magnetic Island.
Ive read lots of great theories about Lost here, yet has any one made an attempt to place the Lost Island in a geographical area?
Im working on the principals that the shows writers have one foot in our reality and I hope they continue to keep the overall story arc grounded by real science; this makes the whole thing more believable and hopefully more understandable.
With this in mind, do you want to find out where this island may be in the real world? OK yeah I know; there is no lost island, but hay lets go look for the dam place anyway&..
Firstly we need the flight plan for flight 815 SYD to LAX. We are told that the plane was 6 hours into the flight when it lost its radio. It turned around in bad weather to land at Fiji but ended up 1000 miles of course.
Due to the untimely death of the captain / pilot at the hands of some black smoke monster dinosaur thing! this all we know.
Ive never flown this rout my self but we can assume that the rout is north by north east and that they crossed the International Date Line before disaster hit.
Did the plane make it across the Equator? Though the plane was effectively in the middle of the South Pacific when it crashed inexplicably onto the Island of no hope, its likely we can rule out some areas.
I dont think they are south of the tropic of Capricorn. I also dont think the island of the dammed is to far north of the Equator.
Making a measurement on a flat map using an Equatorial scale From Suva the main Island in the Fijian group of Islands to the Equator line is roughly 2500 miles. I think!
We can also use geothermal science to help us; Sayid believes that the power supply to the Swan Station 3 (Hatch) is through the use of geothermal energy.
One way of finding geothermal hot spots in the Earth is to measure variations in gravity and magnetic fields!
Some of the hottest geothermal areas are found in the south Pacific. Along the so called ring of fire. Which is bounded by Indonesia, the Philippines, Japan, the Aleutian Island and North, Central, and South America.
So Im as lost as Charlie,
My best guess as to the fictional whereabouts of the Island that time forgot is at a latitude of 12:17:17S by Long: 176:41:42E.
Or maybe Hurleys numbers form the latitude and longitude of a hidden place.
4: 8: 15: by 16: 23: 42: Its yet another take on the numbers and significance they play. Could they also be a map reference?
Didnt the guy who give Hurley the numbers believe they are coordinates from world war two or something?
fantastic theorys guys
and i think i can slove a small problem if no one above has mentioned it
i was wonder why the number and the button should be pussed every 108 mins
i kinda get where they got the 108 from
add up all the numbers and u get 108 simple!
4 + 8 + 15 + 16 + 23 + 42 = 108
but hang on does that mean if they type any other number it would give them that much time untill the next entry
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Ive posted an image of a huge map of lots of different aspects of lost, if you havent see it, its on the homepage of this site or you can go directly to the post here http://www.lostreview.com/2006/7/huge-map-lost-island.cfm .
Thanks for your comments Jeff!
Well, maybe the black smoke and the polar bears are due to the islands magnetism somehow. If they have been testing the island and learned to benefit from it for decades…..?? They are maybe using the magnetism (and the generator)for their mind games. I really don`t think that real polar bears could survive in there AND we haven`t seen the bears since when?? Maybe because they shut down the magnetic generator means that mind games are over AND the rest of the world can now "see" the island.
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On the subject of the hieroglyphs….
I don’t know where anyone is getting this CUIAL stuff from…. i know nothing about hieroglyphics, but i looked aroung on the internet for ways of translating the symbols that appear in lost. There seem to be two ways of translating hieroglyphs: phonetically- where each symbol translates to a sound-, and ‘conceptually’ (my inappropriate word)- where each symbol translates to an idea, concrete or abstract. Only the conceptual translation is really worthwhile, as phonetics are too ambiguous, and as far as i remember, it was something along the lnes of ‘all will die’. I actually found a site with the exact same symbols in an old textbook, and they translated it as something along the lines of all will die or similar. Inevitably i can’t find the site anymore though.
I am inclined to thing that the heiroglyphs are a red herring though, as they are too obviously signposted as a ‘clue’.
The purgatory theory is the only one that you can’t logically refute, but for this reason it would be a big cop out if that was the explanation.
r.e. the button pushing. The point of the button is obviously something to do with the person(s) pushing it. As somewone pointed out, why not just have a computer (with failsafes) automatically performing the number entry, unless it was serving the purpose of a dead-man’s swith/focus for the copmmunity/test of faith, etc
Wikipedia : 108, in Homer’s Odyssey, the number of suitors coveting Penelope, wife of Odysseus. BTW – oersted satelite orbital period is about 99-100 minutes (http://www.control.auc.dk/projects/satellites/orsted.html) – sorry
My dead and alive theory.
The Government finds an island with electromagnetic anomalies. They send scientists there to conduct a series of secret experiments. They build a network of bunkers, harness the magnetic field, and begin their experiments. They code- name the experiment after the islands coordinates.(hence why the numbers are on everything)
After a few years of experimentation, some of the scientists rebel. They are interested in the effects of electromagnetism on humans and so decide to bring down a random plane by intentionally failing to push the button in the Swan Complex Bunker. (This rebel group are The Others.)
So the incident takes place and the nearest plane is sucked towards the island and is ripped in two. As you would expect all the passengers die.
A selection of the bodies are taken to a lab by the others and exposed to controlled electromagnetic treatment (of some kind) that stimulate their brains and bodies and bring them back to life. The others believe that they have invented immortality!
The passengers are placed at the site of their crash to wake up so that they can continue to be monitored.
When the passengers awake, although they have all been cured of their physical ailments (inability to walk, infertility, and illnesses), their brains are not functioning properly. Their short-term & long-term memories are mixed up, with details confused as the survivors incorporate one another into their own personal memories. (The flash-backs). They also seem to have hallucinations.
Oh and Jacks dad (who was in a coffin on the plane)&he was also brought back to life. (Hence why his coffin is found empty). As the others need his medical expertise he is persuaded to join them. He now wears a fake beard so as not to be recognised!
Any1 remember what happens to charlie after Desmond used the keys? His like having an amnesia!? When they ask him wheres lock & ecko, his like "they haven come back?". & his got this weird expression when claire ask him bout the bright lights in the sky.
charlie couldnt of forgot about the incident wen the hatch blew up cos he sed to claire”you want me to tell you about the flyin forks or the killer washingmachines…”
by the way…….jimmy mic…..your theory is the best ive come across so far mate! everything fits…..well in
People please dont break your head to much into this.
This is just a new formula for a show that they can milk money from.
But to not further spoil your theory’s here are a few of mine what the secret is.
The easy one to end this serie is:
They found out that they all died in the plane crash. And that this island is some sort of test or aera where they have to make the right dicessions before they move on to the next world or something.
This is allso a theory that would be much easyer to understand for the big audiance than the one discribed on top of this topic.
How ever since this allready has been used in other movie’s / series. I hope this wont be it.
My other theory ( witch isnt compleet )
Locke can walk becuase of the magnetic field yes this has been sayed allready but not why & how this can.
Our nerf system use the same magnetic force as the earth has as magnetic field. With out that magnetic field we cant live. So we probaly wouldnt reach mars alive. But i dont know how far this field reach and if the magnetic field of mars gives us the same energie.
To go back on the subject. The island is a powerfull magnetic place. Witch the Dharma initiatief has build his stations to study & probaly tried to control it. This field allso protects this island as a form of a barriër that doesnt alow you to go out or go in easly. The Dharmy intiatief and their experiments made this barriër unstable in some how that it keeps building up energie that will atract metal objects. And every 108 minuts there has been build up to much energie that has to be released. So the Dharma intiatief probaly made the hatch as a fail save for when would happen what ever did happen. The so called Others are the scientist that were left behind when everything went wrong to keep things running. And the food that dropped from the sky whas probaly for them. These scientist dont care any more about all of this. Since they have been so long stuck on that place. And hope this island pulls something interesting to it where they can play with.
To go back on the other weird stuff that happend on the island. the black smoke monster, The weird voices in the wind, and other stuff.
Well this magnetic force that is used by our nerf system. Can be used if you know how or have a strong feeling in it (people believe this in real live aswell i dont denie its true or not) You can use it to heal people, Teleknishe, hypnotish, all that sort of stuff. And since that island has a strong magnetic field. Every one is affraid of something, and since 40 people all have there own personal fear they project that in one big monster in the form of their personaly fear, witch is for the viewer (us) black smoke. And it only kills you if you fear it at the moment its infront of you. If you dont fear it. As what Mr.Eko did it cannot hurt you. Just as real live fear cant hurt you if your not affriad of it anymore.
Allso chirldren are probaly more open for these things thats why Walt seems to use this with out knowing.
And the others (the sientist) know some tricks with it.
The rest how they all have connections with each other. Before the plain crash. Is just what writers do to make it more mysterious allso the numbers thing etc. They used this to fool the you guys that see plots in every thing
Thing is this is just a new milking cow formula to keep every one watching. and it will never end until viewers lose interested and than they make 1 more last exiting sesion to end it.
But i m allso a fan of this serie
And there are only a few things that anoy me.
1: The commercials
2: I dont like that they changed a few characters: for example Jack. Whas first a inteligient man. that had his emotions under control. And had a roll as leader. Now he believes everything what people tell him. And when something happend that made him angry he goes totaly in rage, takes a pistol to go hunt some "others" .
Any way i wrote down way to much so il end it here.
(btw i m not dutch not english so my spelling will probaly be pretty sloppy)
i wish i had more time to read all your theory but i gotta get back to work, so maybe you explain this later on, but i got all the way to the part where you said there are two scientist groups, one that steals babies and one that took walt, well in the show it shows that they are one in the same. ethan was working with the guy that wore the fake beard which also worked with the people that took walt. but othere than that, i think all the way up to that sounds really good
im not sure if its true but in the episode where the black smoke comes right up to Jack’s face i think, you can see people flashbacks in the smoke like images of memories and shit?
is this true or not?
wat series r u watching coz if i remember correctly the smoke goes up 2 ekos face not jacks which was in series 2 episode 10 not in less u have seen up 2 the end of series 2 but i live in the uk so i havent seen it yet
How about the DHARMA Initiative logo itself!? This is probably the biggest clue in the whole series!
Look closely at the DHARMA Initiative symbol, and compare it to the Korean flag http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Dharma_vs_Korea.jpg
It signifies the relationship between ‘positive’ and ‘negative’ and the different parts represent earth, heaven, fire, water, wind, mountain, lake, thunder.
I think this is a brilliant blog and all your theories hold a certain amount of weight, but welcome to the truth about lost:
Let’s start with the four toed statue, it’s obvious the statue was of Homer Simpson. In the episode of the simpsons where Homer is sucked through the black hole he was sucked through the dimensional barrier and ended up on you guessed it the island. As the first person to inhabit the island Homer declared himself king and with all his ‘knowledge’ gained from working at the nuclear power plant he built the dharma initative single handly. The electromagnetic core was built by Homer as a way of reopening the black hole to return to Springfield, however in early testing stages the electromagnetic force was too strong, hence the introduction of having to release the energy every 108 minutes. Whilst initially working on the electromagnets Homer was unaware that the black hole was actually opening at other points around the island and not at the core centre as he had suspected it would therefore pulling other people through the dimensional port hole.
Once Homer had discovered that the key to keeping this hole closed was the sequence of numbers to be entered every 108 minutes he used people who had been sucked through to create the Dharma Initiative and the training videos etc. A band of people who we know as the ‘Others’ decided not to return through the black hole when Homer and everyone left but also decided to keep the black hole open in case one day they decided they wanted to return to their own dimension, they built a statue of Homer and worshipped him as some kind of God.
Then the first time they made a mistake and let the numbers go down to zero they sucked through a covert team from the US military who declared war (hence the statue is only left with one foot), through the war the military got control of the main hatch which is where the electromagnetic core is and left two people there to keep it in working order (not realising it was all a ploy developed by Homer Simpson and thinking it would equal the end of the world) now many years later and legends have gone on between the people who have been in the hatch they believe they are saving the world.
Now that Desmond has initiated the fail safe this has sent out a massive elctromagnetic pulse throughout the universe which NASA from our world have picked up on, Penelope has people working on the inside of NASA on the search for Desmond and they now know where the black hole was and will be attempting to reopen it.
In the meantime the survivors of the crash who were sucked through the black hole the first time Desmond didn’t initiate the sequence of numbers in time will have to survive in harmony with the natives ‘the others’ till the hole can be reopened.
As for how all the survivors seem to have crossed paths previous to being on the plane I believe is somewhat coincidence driven, but you also have to remember that a lot of the time you see them cross paths in their flashbacks is at the airport, this is not that difficult to believe (as they were all on the same plane).
And the simple reason behind why Hurley has an earlier affiliation with the numbers is because he because the guy in the mental hospital was so obsessed with the simpsons it drove him insane and the numbers were subliminaly instilled into his brain after Homers return to Springfield.
Now I don’t know about anyone else but I think this theory is absolutely air tight and I have to support killer giraffe’s as well I believe these were a side effect of one of Homers eccentric experiments.
nice theory, but..why those cientifics appears on the last episode of the 2nd season calling to desmond ex girlfriend telling her "i think we found him"… if anyone can answerme ill be very happy
Frist Off amazing theries…dude are you jew?
Why did Locke trust Desmond after locke try to convice him that is just a circle of people watching THEM?
I think that it had something to do with the philadelhia experiment and how it made that ship inivisible or teleport to a different dimension or galaxy/planet. Maybe thats what caused the bermuda triangle in the first place. The islanf is actually invisable and they have to keep it inivisble by pushing the button? Would make sense with the four toed statue. A different planet that it has opened a get to.the philidelphia experiment was real was the truth was never uncovered, google it. Plus the area of the philadelhia experiment was close to were the Bermuda Triangle is meant to be?? Still doesn’t explain jack sh!t but could be a start???
hello, I noticed that the summ of the number they should write is equal to 108 !!!!
4+8+15+16+23+42=108
Great blog, excellent theories and great people.
I was just thinking of something since I saw the last episode of season 2 last night…
Couldn’t this just be something like The Truman Show ?
If we consider what we see in the video of the Dharma thing… we see domes… The bunkers sure look like domes from the inside, but isn’t the island just a huge dome where scientists study these people’s ability to survive, etc… The dome being made by an electromagnetic field…
Sorry for my English, but I’m French, so I’m having a hard time to find my words.
What do you huys think ?
Sorry if this has been posted before but i think this is why they chose these numbers:
Try this:
OPEN WORDPAD(or NOTEPAD), HOLD DOWN ALT and type in on your NUMPAD the numbers 4815162342 nad then let go of the ALT key! … and you will end up with µ
µ means MU
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_%28lost_continent%29 MU (Lost continent) wich relates to Atlantis and Lemuria
ALSO
"Mu-metal is a nickel-iron alloy (77% nickel, 15% iron, plus copper and molybdenum) that has a very high magnetic permeability. Permeability is represented by ?, the Greek letter mu.
The high permeability makes mu-metal very effective at screening static or low-frequency magnetic fields, which cannot be attenuated by other methods.[1]
Mu metal requires special heat treatment annealing in hydrogen atmosphere, which reportedly increases the magnetic permeability about 40 times. The annealing alters the material’s crystal structure, aligning the grains and removing some impurities, especially carbon. Mechanical treatment may disrupt the material’s grain alignment, leading to drop of permeability in the affected areas, which can be restored by repeating of the hydrogen annealing step."
How the hell did you figure that out
Pretty much common sense. Get with the program Scoogles.
what if those two people who are apparently in the ’south pole’ monitoring electro magnetism aren’t actually there cos instead of the world overheating the opposite happened and now evry1 outside the "bubble" (the island) is in an ice age. this includes penelope. its probably wrong but any thoughts??
There’s no way ice age has something to do with all this. It just wouldn’t make any sense to freeze people just to send them on an island to make the repopulate the earth from that island.
Besides, when Des or Michael tried to leave the island they just got back to it.
I don’t get the purpose of freezing people, even though it’s an excellent theory
4 the year maby?
8
15 flight 815
16 not sure anyone got any any ideas
23 gate 23
42 42 people survived
4 the year maby?-2004
8
15 flight 815
16 not sure anyone got any any ideas
23 gate 23
42 42 people survived
i was just thinking 4,8,12,15,16,23,42, can’t be related in any way to flight 815 and the people in the plain. cause how long the hatch has been there and when it was built there is a huge time difference so it cant be related. or is it fate that brought them to the island
why would the numbers have anything to do with the plain or the people on it when that guy forgot to press the button and the magnet shit happened and brought it down.
I thought of something thsi WE while watching II-1 and 2 again.
First of all, the numbers….
4+8+15+16+23+42
42 people who survived the crash on the head of the plane.
23 people who were supposed to have survived from the tale of the plane, but when Michael, Sawyer and Yin ask, they’re not 23 anymore but 8
As for the other numbers, 4-15-16, I wonder if they wouldn’t concern other survivors, or the number of those killed by the others…
23-8 survivors = 15 killed.
Now, as for number 4 and 16… I have a hard time figuring it out.
One thing’s for sure though, everything is interconnected. The numbers and the people deal with one another.
Now, as for Desmond / Libby / Hurley.
There’s a problem here because when Des runs away from the hatch, in II-2, he leaves the photo of him with Libby taken when he was on that boat of his. How come noone ever saw that photo when they were in the hatch.
Libby and Hurley went there together to have the clothes washed. How come she never saw that photo of Desmond ?
What about Jack, Locke, Sayid, Late, and all those who go to the hatch ?
There’s a part of the puzzle missing here.
What do you guys think about it ?
Hi Bob
That’s an excellent question.
But if we suppose that the whole thing is an experience made by scientists, it seems to make sense.
How come that plane crashed, with those numbers, and why at that time. It sure makes a lot of coincidences, but maybe they were meant to crash. maybe all those people were put in that plane on the sole purpose to crash on that island in order to work on them and see how they would react in those moments, with all the stress, in an inhospitable island, psychologically, physically, and with all the human capacities the dharma society is working on.
I’m sure those people were chosen for one purpose. Moreover, they all met at one time and another. They are all interconnected.
I’m not sure I’m saying anything helpful here, but I’m trying to find out …
I am facinated by all of these theories and I scanned over a lot of them however I have a simple question……Does anyone else find it odd that on numerous occations Danielle has mentioned the Radio Tower and how she changed the transmision from the numbers to the warning, and noone else including Sayid ( a communications expert) has not gone to find the Tower and change the message to say, Oh, I don’t know…..HELP US!!!!! (Whether it would pass the invisible magnetic barrier or not) Like Hurley says, " And the fact that noone is even looking for it, yeah thats odd!!!!"
I enjoyed the refereces to Good and Evil with the Black and White in the first episodes..Badgammon, Lockes eyes in Claire’s dream, as well as the references verbally, but that never lead enyplace, or did it? anyone else wonder what was the significance of the black and white stones that Jack found in a bag in the caves along with the dead bodies, never heard anything else about those either.
Anyone else believe that Claire is gong to end up being Jack’s Sister. I may have listened wrong but I am sure that I heard Jack’s father, when he went to Sydney with Anna lucia, go to the front door of the womans house and ask to see his daughter, mmmmm any other main characters female from Australia that could fit the bill.
Sorry Ryan McDoe but the word ARCTIC means "Bear" and there are polar bears in the Arctic ( North Pole ) but ANTARCTIC or Anti- Bear as in "No Bears" is the South Pole and they only have penguins and I don’t remember seeing any killer penguins on the island…at least not yet, who knows. However, since the island is in the southern hemesphere closer to Antarctica the polar bear research theory doesn’t fly…Sorry.
Here is a little tid bit, In the episode where Kate and her childhood sweetheart dig up the time capsule they buried, they listen to a tape and they mention the date as August 15, 1989 MMMmmmm…….. 8/15 coincidence????? And the Marshal taking Kate on the plane has how many guns in his case "5". You can go crazy finding links to these numbers but it is fun. By the way where is the Milk carton with Walts photo, missed that one!!!!
Me again, outside of Locke and Rose having miraculous recooperations of their cancer and paralasis, does anyone else notice just how fast everyones cuts, bruises and shots heal so fast on the island, come on it has only been a couple of months. Some of these stitches healed in an episode.
Also, outside of Ethans facination to playing Hangman, Noone has died in the hands of the OTHERS, everyone that has died has been from a survivor killing them. Now I know what your thinking what about all the abductions, just that abductions, they may still be alive in cage being observed under a microscope for all we know. So are the Others really dangerous or shall we say murderers, no I think they are just Scientist not killers.
Scott, Kudos on the Map dude, now my questions is did you do this because I would really like to know how you got the info on all the names of the Bunkers and second, what dimension do you live in in order to find time to do it because in the world I live in I bearly have time to work, eat and spend an hour or two with my son, GIVE ME THE SECRET MAN!!!!
Yes I know "5" guns, what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China…. I had a point but I thought I had mentioned it earlier but it was a conversation with my brotherin law. Is their a reglious or scientific meaning behind the number 5. I knowit is not in " the numbers" however 5 guns, Jack has a tatoo with the number 5 on it, they have had 5 children on the island ( Walt, Aaron, the two childeren from the back segment and Alex Roussoux’s baby ) and 5 wrecks on the island, Flight 815, Rousseoux boat, Henry’s Balloon, the Black Rock and the nigerian Plane. Coinsidence????? Any feed back on this one???????
If the theory is true, then probably at the series finale (Season 4 or 5), the world will probably have something happen like in the "Day After Tomorrow". The Surviors may get off the island, but some of the characters will probably die in the iccident!
Small note of the day:::
Jack seat number 23B
Ana Lucias 42F
Things that make you go MMMmmmmmm!!!!!!
Every thing in the pantry of the Bunker was name brand Dharma….except the "Apollo" candy bars….The Greek god Apollo gave us the sayings "Know thyself" and the call to moderation in all things, the Golden Mean, that reminds us to do "nothing in excess".
Nothing in excess on the island?????? NNnaaaaa!!!!
Has anyone noticed that in II-4,( when Shanon goes to the hospital with her step-mother after someone called her at work because her father had had an accident), Jack just passed behind them ?
Funny coincidence….
It’s really strange how all the people on the island have at one moment or another come accross each other…
This sure is a strange scientific experience. It really looks like this show is a parallel with The Truman Show. There are too many similarities for it being something else…
does any one know what jacks tat means
How come Charlie acts as if noting has happened after the explosion when he talks to clare
COINCIDENTAL MEETINGS BEFORE THE ISLAND: The ultimate lost theory suggests that the surviers may have been genetically engineered.
Maybe they were ‘grown’ by whoever is behind the island. They could have had memories implanted in their brains, which would explain why characters ‘remember’ their paths crossing at various times before they cam to the island.
THE OTHERS: If Lost is actually happening in the future, maybe the Others are are the children (or even grand-children) of a previous experiment>
POLAR BEARS: Maybe these are part of an earlier experiment to see if animals can be genetically modified to survive outside of their normal environment.
Well some interesting facts and theories there all you have but what about Russo (French chick) what has she to do with it. Also why every 108 minutes does the button need to be pressed (to let out energy) yeah right on final episode it was released by Desmond so what happened to him too, explain the show and not some silly theory that goes no where. Also have you forgotten about the (so called monster of the island) the black mist that shows up every now and then, where does that tie into your theory? The statue maybe the Poseidon or Zeus or maybe there on the lost island of Atlantis, come on people, collective consciousness
hahahaha!. Be real, next you’ll be trying to tie in some matrix type plot. To spoil your plot over Loch’s walking is simple magnetics get used in band-aids, walking frames and even to reduce pain, maybe theres that much magnetism around that he can move freely or the fact that he was told in season one that his injury would heal in time but only when he’s ready for it. The others needed Michaels son so why did they let him go in the end of season 2, (Michael should have been killed for his betrayal) oh and the look jack gave Kate was like he knew that they would be ok and to do what the others said (much like most government workers are told if caught in a hostage situation). Polar shift theory is pretty cool, but I’d be more to say that magnetic waves control the pull rotation and direction of this earth and saves us from radio-active flares from the sun, now because the ozone depletes the magnetism in some pockets solar flares can get thru, well if we lost it completely we couldn’t be protected by these waves, so the Dharma Corp discovered this and made steps to ensure that the next global shift could be controlled by these bunkers that hold this energy letting it release every 108 mins. So that mankind wouldn’t be wiped out at even just a 2% shift of the earth, its all really what we want to see the show for ourselves make up your own minds and theories, its just great TV viewing with a plot/story line so original that (tho allot of ties from previous books and that) it leaves you all guessing whats going to happen next. Plus Sawyer is far more intelligent then anyone on the island but acts really stupid, next you’ll be saying he’s one of the scientist, the head honcho, lol. You all should just sit back and enjoy the show!
russo is part of dharma.why?because in one of the episodes at the beginning of season 2 one of the boxes has written on it "legumes" which means "vegetables" in english.trust me i’m french.check it iut for yourself.there is something french about lost.
Wow! I can’t believe I made it through this BLOG! Very interesting stuff. There are NO coincidences. Yes, Jack and Claire are definately brother and sister. I think Jack’s Dad has a drinking problem because he has a hard time living with the "job" that the Foundation has him involved in. There is some type of lineage connection. Has anyone been to the Hanso site and looked at their job postings????? The Foundation is definately not for the weak at heart! No cry babies or tree huggers there! They look for people who have no problem with mind control, cruelty to animals, and vanguard science. They hire Mercs, which could explain the "military" connections, i.e. the knife. they look for people with diverse ethnic backgrounds, languages, capabilities and ask certain individuals to sign a lifetime non-disclosure…Libby???, Jack’s Dad???
I think that there could have been a split amongst the scientific researchers as certain individuals began to question the ethical/moral complications of the experiment, i.e. Henry Gale and the others. They consider themselves the "rebels" What does Desmond call these people??? The "Hostiles"?
It is interesting to me that no one has paid much attention to Jin and Sun…
One of the job postings is for an Anger Management Director in Seoul Korea. They must speak fluent Korean and all dialects and have a working knowledge of human rights and enviromental litigation. Wasn’t the gentleman who taught Sun the English language, a lawyer??? Sun’s father is affluent and rich, just as Penelope’s father. Sun is argueably the most CALM person on the island and takes on the role well. In addition, she cares about the enviroment around them. She seems to know that they are there for the long haul…she is the only one who plants food instead of it waiting to fall from the sky…
Her prize for her efforts are that she is no able to become pregnant. Remember the doctor who told her that she could not??? He worked for her father.
About the smoke…maybe it is not smoke, but a gas! Some type of anesthetic that is released when things go awry so that the Foundation can run damamge control and put everything back the way it was. The vaccines are owned by the Others and were developed so that they are not controlled by the conscious collective.
The flash backs, and theories of atonement, religion and personal struggles are all the things that the guinea pigs (Jack, Locke, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley etc.) bring with them to the island and these latent memories are difficult for the collective to control because they are so deeply buried. That is why the Foundation wants to develope the new race…the babies…so they can control them from birth. the Hostiles/Others are trying to protect them with the vaccines…
Just another theory…
I LOVE the scientific and real world connections! Fabulous Show, a little slow at times but still GREAT! If the writers are looking at these sites for ideas, instead of doing their jobs then I want to paid for a job like that! As far as I know, only the Actors do not get the scripts in advance…
Keep the theories coming…
season 2 episode 9:when kate and sawyer look at the black horse, on the right side you see a hand with a black glove telling the horse to stay still.filming error or a are there invisible scientists on the island…check it out
i know it might sound far away but coming back to the very first episode of lost, why was jack in the jungle when he woke up and the others on the beach????that’s my main question about this show.anyway this show is driving me nuts.it’s very clever
i found the answers to all our questions after a long search i found someone who is talking a bit of sense. this website has truly answered all the weird stuff about the eiland. surely i didn’t beleive it in the beginning but i read part 2 of the page and it started to make sense. i was actually lookin for alvar hanso. i googled it and it lend me to this fantastic website. it even tells you about adam and eve check it out
http://www.07968826871.com/LOSTWEB/alvarhanso.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php%3Ft%3D35539&h=480&w=640&sz=15&hl=en&start=23&tbnid=edcYU0SWd0hRWM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dalvar%2Bhanso%26start%3D18%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN
i’m back again it seems that the link i pasted was the google version. this is the original
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=35539
also why do heaps of characters trip while they are running or being purchased?…weird.i want answers.does anyone still come on this blog,i have a lot of questions.
Chris, lots of people are still coming to this blog. There are tons of other posts though so be sure to check those also and discuss the issues within each post as well as this one.
Considering the ratio of survivors to dead passangers on Flight 815, any wonder….
????WHY DID NOT ONE CREW MEMBER SURVIVE THIS CRASH?????
Outside of the pilot who was casted as "Mosters Breakfast" in the first episode.
Good observation about the plane crew members, I havent even thought of that one.
oh come on now. its only a tv show.
but ill play along anyway just for fun
they all got killds in te plain crash. and they are in whats calld.. a waiting area..
till the end of time.. and judgment day..
or…the pilot sead they got off corse by 1000
miles in minuts. so they get caut in a time warp… explaining that dinosaour on the island.. or.. a world wide nuke war broke out and crashed the plaine.. and they are all thats left.. or..maybe im watching the show to much and should take up chating on yahoo..
whatever.. its only a dumb tv show
one more thing i forgot to post in my last post
the dharma thing.. you know what that is..
i do.. its a religion.. just type..dharma
in your browsers address box or google it..
youll find it..
for those who have a lot of questions about lost should read this theory by alan smith it will explain alot to you
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There is more at
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this is the stupidest theory i have ever heard.what kind of show do u think lost is?get fucked you fucking smartass….seriously!
collestive consciousness my ass dude, you’re the one who is lost and fucked dude.once again GET FUCKED!!!!!don’t ever give that bullshit again.this theory is such a lack of respect to all the people and fans who watch this show.all the other theories are really interesting but this one is well and trully SHIT, a load of CRAP may i say.
and by the way the only people who know the theory about lost are the creators of it.i fully respect people’s point of views about it but this one is FUCKED.
This is to the "manisme@hotmail.com" who wrote the comment above…
Oh my God Dude, have another beer! Can you say ANGER MANAGEMENT?
True fans have done their homework…Have you not gone onto the ABC websites to gather clues? Oceanic AIR, MegaLotto, Hanso Foundation, Rachel Blake? Get with the times! I understand that people learn at different speeds, but you are a NEANDERTHAL! That is a great theory, and well researched. I am certain that you complain about politics, but just don’t find time to vote! Take responsibility. Do your homework. Ask questions. Or I guess you can fall into your usual pattern of slammin a 40 ounce, wearing a wife beater shirt and making it on time for your shift at Mickey Dees!
Charlzero, what you had posted was word for word what this page said. It has been removed, though I did leave your URL you listed.
actually i didn’t write this thoerie this was done by a genius named andrew smith. try to search in google for "lost andrew smith theory" is somewhere on the numbers website 481516………viewtopic2.php?t=3377. there is part 2 of his thoery and this is even beter this guy has hard facts it even explained everything, you will never ever believe who alvar hanso is……….. well any idea…….. its is LOCK
well yes i didn’t believe it but when i read everything. i relised that this guy was right. this is for all who don’t believe that this man is telling the throw should visite the site. so far all his calculations has come true he has been writing theory before season 2 started. any people love his theory. the others can’t wait for part 3 of his theory. anyway here are the links. part 1 (add http://www.)
4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic2.php?t=3377
part 2 (add http://www.)
4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic2.php?t=23991
Check the comic he made neat ha genuis work.
http://www.07968826871.com
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one more thing he even evented the thoery above sinds this one was posted in june 2006 and his one was posted in november 2005. see where i’m going with this. if you don’t believe me check it out for yourself
good theory. alot of people throughout these messages u can tell are die hard fans who have theyre opinions and i respect them seem as thou so many hours go into watchin lost,going over the plots and ideas and then having to wait to get the answers u want to hear but then again as for the ones who just write in to say its bullshite-id like to see you come up with a better theory, yeh it might sound a bit farfeched but the lost creators have thrown that many plots and stories into the show i think its a good theory and what more can any one acspect from this show. well ill just have to wait and see how it ends but if they dont use the theory im sure theylle dissapoint alot more viewers with theyre idea of what lost is about than if they used yours
Keep up the great work on your blog. Best wishes WaltDe
Another Intresting Thoerie found
The Purgatory Theorie found at lostpedia.com
Definition of Purgatory
"A state or place of purification after death; according to the Roman Catholic creed, a place, or a state believed to exist after death, in which the souls of persons are purified by expiating such offenses committed in this life as do not merit eternal damnation, or in which they fully satisfy the justice of God for sins that have been forgiven. After this purgation from the impurities of sin, the souls are believed to be received into heaven.
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Theory
* Survivors each have some major problem they’re trying to work out
* Each time a character works out their problem, they die ("leave purgatory")
o Boone comes to terms with loving Shannon.
o Leslie Arzt gets over being a social outcast.
o Shannon comes to terms with loving Sayid.
o Ana-Lucia comes to terms with her murderous tendencies.
+ Charlie might be screwed now because he threw the heroin into the ocean…AND…the ominous Vincent brought him to the heroin. Finally, he did inject himself with the vaccine…
* "Innocent" people are taken by The Others
o Mr. Eko was innocent, but then killed two Others. He has "saved" Sawyer, so in theory, he has only 1 life left to save before he’ll die.
o (Suggestion: I don’t think Mr. Eko was "a good man", he used to be drug dealer/smuggler, he killed at least two men…)
o But now he may possibly be dead after possibly saving Charlie?? That would make a second life saved
* The author of the manuscript Bad Twin, Gary Troup, appears to be a deliberate anagram of Purgatory
o Perhaps purgatory is indeed a theme in the show, though not an actual location; the writers explained that they are not physically in purgatory, but perhaps the idea of redemption and karma is something each character encounters while on the island. So far there are strong themes of faith vs logic, destiny vs free will, good vs. evil, karma, and redemption. Clearly, this show is dealing with the spiritual, despite the debunked puragtory theory.
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Pro
* The show starts with an airplane crash which normally nobody would survive. Maybe all the survivors died and are now in some sort of purgatory, limbo or an other place between earth and the hereafter. The ones killed in the crash went directly to the afterlife.
o In Tabula Rasa, Kate approaches Jack on the beach and wants to tell him what she did. He says to her, "It doesn’t matter what we did before this, before the plane crashed. (dramatic pause) Three days ago, we all died. We all deserve a second chance." (referring to the real-life | Tabula Rasa concept, the episode’s namesake
o If you aren’t familiar with the Purgatory theory, this wouldn’t make much sense when you hear it; however, this seems to be a blaringly obvious revelation by the shows’ producers, regardless of what they tell us, because it is early enough into the show that no one would notice it, and it seems way to allusional to be just a side comment.
o Sayid says to Ana Lucia, upon her asking him to take revenge on her in Collision, "What good what it do to kill you when we’re both already dead?"
o Christian tells Sawyer in a bar in Sydney, "We’re in Australia. We’re as close to Hell as we can get without getting burned."
* There are numerous references to "a previous life" and "the next life" throughout the show.
o Michael tells Jack that "In a previous life, I was an artist."
o The inscription Nadia writes on the picture she gives Sayid says "I will see you again in the next life, if not this one."
o Desmond has said many times to Jack, "See you in the next life, brother" (at the stadium, when running from the hatch, before triggering the fail-safe, etc.)
* They all seem to have done something that leaves them with a feeling of guilt, or have unsolved problems.
o Once they confess to these things, they are "taken" or die. If they die in purgatory their souls can rest.
+ Example of that is the death of Shannon. She died after somebody believes in her, Sayid, and that was the thing she had needed to confess before her pass to the afterlife.
* People who are known to be dead appear on the island (and in dreams).
* Children/Babies are taken because they have no sins yet.
* Eko tells Charlie that his dreams may mean something, and that Aaron should be baptized because he is in danger. Baptizing plays an important role in limbo and purgatory because of the cleansing (remission) of sins.
* While talking to Locke Henry Gale says: "God doesn’t know how long we’ve been here. He can’t see this island any better than the rest of the world can."
* Henry Gale talks about the people on the island as good or bad persons, being good or bad is very important while in purgatory.
* In the episode SOS, Bernard tries to make a big SOS sign. One of the given meanings of SOS is Save Our Souls.
* The author of the manuscript and published book Bad Twin, Gary Troup, appears to be a deliberate anagram of Purgatory.
o In Bad Twin, there are numerous references to Purgatory, talking about how it is the second chance and destinies balance on a knife edge (see Chapter 15, 16 particularly).
* Survivors seem to miraculously heal from earthly diseases. Locke can walk again, Rose healed form cancer and maybe Dr. Marvin Candle regained his arm on the island.
* The black smoke forms a tunnel in front of someone, Eko and Locke became very calm facing it, looking inside one (Eko) sees flashes of major events of his own life and Locke refers to what he saw as beautiful. All these properties (tunnel, calming, life review, experiencing beauty) are mentioned in near-death experiences, the biggest difference is that the smoke is black in contrast to a tunnel of light. The tunnel of black smoke could be a gateway out of purgatory into heaven (like the tunnel of light is believed to lead from earth to heaven).
* When Eko asks Yemi in his dream for forgiveness he says: Your work being done in this place is important Eko, it is more important than anything! and what is done is done.
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Cons
* This theory is almost certainly wrong now that we have seen The Listening Station, hard evidence that the outside world is still there.
* This theory was expressly debunked by head writer Damon Lindelof in a New York Times interview published on May 25, 2006. Noting the fact that the finale of Season 2 shows the outside world in the present (as opposed to a flashback) for the first time, Lindelof added: "People who believe that they’re in purgatory or that they’re subjects of an experiment are going to start reassessing those theories based on the fact that we are literally showing you the outside world."
* The purgatory theory has been debunked by one of the creators of the show (J.J. Abrams).
o But wouldnt they also debunk a theory if it were right, not to spoil the show? Maybe they are not exactly in purgatory but are somehow between places )
+ The theory was debunked in Entertainment Weekly with the sentence "These people have hearts, and when those hearts stop beating, they die."
* Not all survivors have issues we know about, also people die/disappear that are clearly not innocent.
* Not from all people who die it is clear what they came to terms with or why they could leave the purgatory (e.g. Nathan and the Marshall).
o Its said that Leslie Arzt died after getting over being a social outcast but first of all this problem is not serious enough to get him in purgatory and second of all the process of getting over it is no more than realizing and admitting it to Hurley.
* It does not explain the numbers. (unless the numbers are simply a problem of Hurley which he is confronted with on the island)
* If the island is a place that should decide your fate in the afterlife based on your earthly sins then why Aaron gets born here? (In the case of original sin he should have died after being baptized.)
* If Richard Malkin is really a psychic and wants to protect Aaron then why did he put Claire on flight 815 (knowing that it would crash and all passengers would die)?
o It’s possible that Malkin actually wanted to destroy Aaron. Perhaps he knew that Claire would somehow be responsible for his death, so he encouraged her to keep him: when that didn’t work, he put her on a doomed flight
I got through most of the comments, but not all… some info…
I’ve heard there will be SEVEN seasons. That has already been predetermined. Or so I’ve heard.
I think Jack has something to do with it… Hanso Foundation, etc.. In the episode where Sawyer and Jack are playing cards… Sawyer asks Jack where he learned to play… Jack tells him Thailand. Sawyer asks him what he was doing in Thailand which Jack refuses to answer. What was he doing there? Was he training to work with the Hanso Foundation?
I totally agree with the mental institution theory, however, believe that Jack has more play in it than mentioned in one of the previous theories. He is a doctor afterall and gets really agitated when other survivors try to control things, could this be because he knows why they are there and doesn’t want them to over run him.
Desmonds wife was supposed to marry someone but then called it off, could this be the Korean man that taught Sun English… he was supposed to marry an American woman but it fell through.
Anyone notice that when Sayid was helping the American army the other man, not Kelvin, but the other American solider in charge was Kate’s dad.
Maybe they are linked through people that care for them, that all believe they have horrible emotion problems, and this island is a pyschological attempt to help "cure" them… ie, people who care about them actually sent them there.
The frozen thing is a little far fetched but could be mirroring the girl that Eko had to survey for the miracle… she is pronouned dead, but was really just frozen. Also weird… the father of that girl was the pyschic that Claire and Hurley both went to.
Anyone else hear the rumor that Claire is the long lost daughter of Jack’s father?
The purgatory idea is really good too, but I think it’s more of an idea that all of them have been through so many things and have some many emotion problems they "feel dead". Which exemplifies why they were sent here.
Additionally the magnetic theory also plays into all of this… magnetitism is proven as a "healer" or a place of miracles, which would be a reason why it would be a prime place to put all these people. The "others" could be another group of patients or just a test of survival for the survivors.
Anyway, seems like everything everyone has been saying could kind of tie together and I won’t continue because I’m just basically saying everything everyone else has been saying but tying them all together. I’m too into this show. HAHAHAHA. I’ve never been so into a show. Anyway, SEASON THREE! Wahoo.
YOU HAVE STATED THAT LOST MAYBE SET IN THE FUTURE BUT THIS CANNOT BE SO…AS AT THE END OF THE LAST EPISODE IN SEASON 2…DESMONDS WIFE PICKS UP A SIGNAL FROM HIS BOAT SO HOW CAN SHE POSSIBLY PICK UP A SIGNAL IF AS YOU SAY LOST IS ACTUALLY IN THE FUTURE…
O YEH FORGOT TO TELL YOU OTHER LOST FANS…WHEN EVER YOUR WATCHING LOST THE SHOW TENDS TO REFER BACK THE INFAMOUS NUMBERS…THER IS AN EPISODE WITH ANNA LOOSIA WHER SHE IS AT THE POLICE STATION AND ALL THE POLICE CARS THAT ARE PARKED UP ACTUALLY HAVE THE NUMBERS ON THEM…SEE IF YOU CAN PICK UP THE NUMBERS IN ANY OF THE EPISODES
how u explain the polar bears with the purgatory theory?
Lets see, A lot of fish, lots of boar, 2 polar bears, and one horse,( won’t even menchen the craziness of the last two)……. but only ONE CHICKEN to eat on the whole island, where did it come from?????? Are chickens even indiginous to islands in the Pacific?????????
i have a small theory, quite possible; the water they are drinking from the spring could contain some type of drug, making them hallucinate.
Hi there,
as mentioned before,
108 is the sum of 4+8+15+16+23+42, the numbers that seem to appear everywhere.
and as mentioned before, the result of those numbers multiplied is 7418880.
Did anyone notice the last few minutes of the s2 finale, those 2 chess playing scientists that detect the electromagnetic anomaly ?
On the Computer appears a number which is 7418880.
>/ 7418880
Electromagnetic
Anomaly
Detected
funny insnt it ? =)
and by the way,
in one of the Podcasts – i think it was Damon who pointed something out, that in the very first episode of season 1 (the pilot) in the very first minutes something could be seen that probably no one noticed. Anyone knows what he meant ?
"and by the way,
in one of the Podcasts – i think it was Damon who pointed something out, that in the very first episode of season 1 (the pilot) in the very first minutes something could be seen that probably no one noticed. Anyone knows what he meant ?"
This could be reffering to Jacks eye – both season open with a shot of Jacks eye (first left second right iirc).
Read one theory that it isn’t his pupil dilating but the black smoke retreating from above him – am at work so haven’t been able to check this.
BTW – just read the whole lot in one go – my head hurts
just read the whole thing through i cant wait for the third series i want answers fast its doing my head in. think evans theory is facinating but a lot of people wouldnt get this and i think it would be too hard for a lot of people to understand. definately think the others are people put on the island to see how they could survive the reason they think walt is so special is because he is black (no offense intended to anyone)and he can start a new race on the island in a few years they want the children to bring them up there way so they would think this is the normal way of living (a bit like the film village)its just baffaling me why they are all linked in some kind of way because there is no way that plane was brought down purposely because dez had been there 3 years and had no conntact so how would he know the exact time and date to not press the button so the plane would crash down. i could sit here for hours typing about this bet we all could. can just see the show ending and we all being tottally pissed off. also think script writers sit and check peoples therories so that not one of us gets it right….
also why does everyone keep saying’when sawyer shoots at zeek does the bullet rebound??? if i remeber rightly there are loads of the others surrounding them when he lifts his hand to fire one of them shoots him he doesnt even fire a bullet himself he just gets shot.
also the look between jack and kate at the end is basically because they now know. there is a way out and they could be rescued after all. they probably had doubts thereselves of ever being saved
ive read this and dont understand it one bit i mean its a tv show it has no bloody theorys sum stupid people gettin paid millions went on google got a load of crap put a few dudes in rags a few hatches an a ship in it and made a kick ass tv show ok
i checked out the symbols on the clock and got s.u.i.a.l which would also be see u in another lifetime???? but a few people have put it as c.u.i.a.l this is also an anagram of lucia. ana lucia maybe???? any thoughts on this??
Jesus Christ who the hell would spend sooooo much time trying to make a theory to lost ITS A TV SHOW sure its awesome and everyone wants to know why they are there blah balh blah But you dont have to spend Hours Watching every episode and try to make an exact THEOry to it…… The show is just made up as they go along……
Well guys i’ve read all this and man you ‘re good, you ‘re really good !!! How about those who ‘re writing the show ‘re just loosing us ’cause that’s what they ‘re payed for, and again were ‘re just like Loke and Eko now pushing the button !!! Every theories that we can come up with is canceled by another one (exept for "the big line), nothing make sense, it’s just seems like their priority is surprising us what ever it’s take to do it !!!
exemle: there is a magnetic problem on the island and that’s why the plane crashed, so what about the plane wich brought the DARHMA food ? why did’nt it crashed ? The thing is that you can think and think again and guess what ? While you’re using your energie and your inteligence to think about the lost theorie you just don’t use it to think about what’s really going out around you, in your country, in the world… And probably those who ‘re writing Lost should come here and get any ideas ’cause there really good !!
I love tv shows, and i watch a lot of them but "entertainment" that’s all it is !!!
So let’s see season 3 and have fun, and sorry for my english !!!
by the way, how comes that no one tried to use Desmond boat to get the hell out of there ? I mean for some peoples who crashed on a stange island they don’t seems to really want to live !!! So you see, non sense and suprises !!!
Have you guys thought more about the monster? I reckon that there has to be more than only 2 (Polar bear, Black Smoke) In Pilot the monster kills the pilot and if you watch in slow-mo you see that it is actually an arm pulling him out. Maybe there are 3 organisations with thier own monster. The monster in exodus pulled Locke down the hole to save him? And all the people on the list have had encounters with "weird" things. Kate’s Horse, Sawyers boar, Hurleys imaginary friend and Jacks dad. These could be malfunctions of the conciousness thing. Also when Locke sees the monster he says "It was beautiful." At the Black Rock he is scared. The monster could have been a giant and the smoke is it’s soul. I have seen a picture from the set wich show sun and jin looking at a huge skeleton hand. Perhaps the giant is the island. When Locke is telling Boone that he druged him his eyes were black. And also when Libby is helping Hurley throw the food off her eyes are black too, perhaps the monster can take the form of Survivors which is why he was ‘up-loading’ Ekos past incase people ask questions. That the self distruct thing killed the monster. If you listen close at the end you hear something screaming. The Things at the end of the timer are hieroglyhics spelling ’cause to die.’
I got some of this stuff from wikipedia: LOSTpedia.
i disagree totally with that theory…i think that aliens took control of the plane and flew it to the planet stenchtrench..they have all been cloned and are being trained by the ‘others’ to seek world domination and wreak choas on the human population by curling one out on their victims forehead…does anyone agree?
Why does the charakter looks like Jack? I mean , ok he is not jack…but i think this must have any background story…!I think it is very important for the further story. The producers want to say something with this
First I thought they were all DEAD! How awesome it would be if people didn’t know they were actually dead…but I thought, that idea is just too far fetched.
So, I think, at least right now, is that the island is a time warp. Like Bermuda’s Triangle but somewhere else. This is the speculation where no one can rescue or find them. Cause they are stuck in the different time frame. Time elapses on that island. This is why people see strange stuff like polar bears, dinasours, future monsters,,,
Locke can walk cause he’s in different dimension. This is just my speculation and there are still a butt load of stuff needs to be answered but I have no clue about it. But I just love the idea that either they are stuck in the alternate unverse – a time travel or they are in between stage after death before they leave for the next life.
See you in next life brother…
wow, this show gives me creeps. All different elements in the show is just so brilliant. The best TV show ever! It keeps me guessing over and over again. Imagination is limitless!
I was watching the 1st episode again, and the pilot tells them that they lost radio contact 6 hours into their flight, and after that they decided to turn around and head for fiji, which caused them to be approx 1000 miles off course. thats why the rescue party are looking in the wrong place. so taking into account the speed that their type of plane flies at(mph)(times that by 6 hours) and their direction of travel, then plot a course from that point 1000 miles in the direction of fiji, it would be possible to get a reasonably accurate pinpoint of where they crashed! i also wondered if it was anywhere near the bermuda triangle?
Not sure if this has been mentioned before but anyway:
It’s clear that there is intended to be some previous connections between characters, but in a lot of cases I think people may be thinking a little too much.
sorry to be so boring but has it occurred to anyone that some of the actors may have been used for multiple roles just to save the expense of hiring different actors…?
really like the theories guys! i like to read it in to all this as much as the next person, but you must remeber that it is television! why did jack wake up in the jungle and not the beach? so we, the audience, could feel disorientated, just as jack did. and the when he arrives at the beach we get a shock, as the sight of the wreckage literally takes our breath away. its called dramatic suspense. i would love to think theres some radical theory to why he’s in the jungle, but i dont think there is. there are many other instances in the program that are just there for our dramatic veiwing pleasure. keep up the theories tho, some of them have answered loadsa questions for me! cheers
To the person that was trying to translate the Hieroglyphics, what you are saying Is wrong because you are using Egyptian Hieroglyphics.Don’t get me wrong you might be right but It would translate something that makes no sense, but If we were to use ancient Hieroglyphics It would say Otherworld or Underworld.
What about the episode in season one wher Locke, Jack, Kate and Charlie go into the jungle to the caves. Jack finds a skeleton wich has in one of it’s pockets a dark marble and a light one. I also noticed that In claires dream about her baby being dead, she sees Locke and he has one White eye and one black. And in Pilot part 2 Locke is playing a game in wich there are 2 sides, light and dark. Also there is (Don’t get me wrong) Bernard and Rose love each other wich is another connection between black and white. maybe the marbles control 2 different monsters? Also what about the white tennis shoe? Perhaps it was Walts.
Also look at the footage of the Turbine explosion in "Pilot" very slowly and carefully and you will see something wierd flying off it Just before it blows up.
I like this, but now that the finale has come and gone, what wbout the sailor man’s love getting a phone call from two scientists in a cold area…life isn’t gone on the rest of the world…sorry
Howdy all. Great discussions.
Here’s a little nitnoid I haven’t seen examined: Locke’s name is John. The doctor is Jack, a form of John.
No big deal, right? Two common names. But with so many coincidences on this island, I wonder how much can be made of that similarity.
Lost reminds us of so many works of literature. Crusoe. Lord of the Flies. etc.
Just thinking… in Crusoe, you start out thinking it’s an adventure tale. Poor guy is shipwrecked, what will he do? How will he survive? But there’s a huge ship full of goodies there to sustain him. Survival isn’t the issue. DeFoe uses the novel as a way of looking at the philosophies of (the historical) John Locke. Putting Crusoe on an island was just a device.
For this reason, I come down on the "Lost is just a thought experiment" side of the mystery.
Smells like carrots.
Id just like to say that if this theory was true it would be horrible it would take away the whole mystery of the island and put it down to plain science which is just so not what lost is about.
and also does anyone notice that 8 15 is in the numbers which is their flight number.
Maybe the men in the icy place at the end of series 2 are dharma workers?
and i really liked the point made earlier about all the numbers adding up to 108 what are the chances of that it cant be coincidence surely.
and also if like the main theory on this page says that the people on the plane were knocked out or sumthing and the plane was brought down how come the survivors have flashbacks of the plane breaking in half and crashing?
If the outcome of LOST turns out to be something upon the lines of science or something totally implausable i think i can speak for a lot of people in saying i would be soooooooooo dissapointed!! i want the outcome to be more realistic and unthaught of!
Hey has anyone noticed that the count of the survivors (which is 42) is also the same as the last number in the string of numbers that need to be entered into the computer. 42 is also the answer to life, the universe and everything( maybe this is based on hithiker’s guide to the galaxy). I don’t have a clue if this fits in at all, just had to get it off my chest
P.S. my last post wasn’t completely serious
Hi,
You have forgotten about prediction given Klear by psychic.
Whats his role in all this?
absolutely brilliant theory there!! id say youve got it down to a tee!! some pointers tho!!!
the plane actually breaks up in mid air and this is viewed by the others in season 3
they let michael go at the end of season 2!! (could be letting him go to the new world tho!!)
also there was something when the tail section survivors found a bunker there was a picture of a god or something?? well apparently this god in his time was renowned for putting people on an island and leaving them there
and the best one is that lost stands fo land of scientific testing!!
one more thing!
they cant possibly of been frozen because desmond missus is still alive!!
Ok the plane did actually crash because you see it in series three, and i think that we can also now be sure that the others are natives.
there are some good points, but it’s a little obscure.
skinner was a phsycologist who did experiments with mice – making them push buttons every 2 hours regularly. he observed the long term effects of doing this. he discovered that in the long term, the mice got cancer and other illnesses from the stress. it seems to me that the button was there not only to regulate the magnetic field and help the sattelite transmit, but also to test if the “survivors” were worthy (this coincides with the “repopulate the earth” theory). this could also explain the “pearl” station (the ? on the map)- it was built to see if the same thing (stress related illnesses) would happen in humans and to see if the “survivors” were tough enough mentally.
no, you see the plane break up over the island!!! they cant hav been frozen!!! but they could have been purposely led onto the island (kates dad led
desmond away from the station so the plane would be pulled in) and then tested. but, making theories is pointless as the lost producers have admitted that even they dont know where the story is going to go!!!!
firstly… i was kinda disappointed with the end of series 2. why was charlie so happy? why didnt he tell of lock and mr. eko still being at the swan station? maybe he fought they escaped? but since they didnt show up at camp doncha think he would have gone back to check they were okay? the selfish b*****d! and secondly, caleb, the whole 42 hitchhiker’s/lost tie thing? genious!!!
mr smith was right about his thoeory afterall desmond traveled back to the real world and everything was unbalanced meaning that what they do on that eiland affects the real world. somehow i’ve got a feeling that penny’s dad is behind all this. he has been collecting uniek scientists.
we also know now that the french lady’s husband was henry so if rossau is telling the truth that means that henry didnt come to the eiland by choice and that guy lock and the others saw in the other hatch could be just desmonds future because he looks a bit like desmonds. desmonds is still not telling us everything
cool comms!!!ill print them as soon as i get prntr…
have you theorist ever thought that the writers of the show check out this blog for futrue show ideas? i enjoyed reading all the theories
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i just want to know lol. i cant wait. it has to be original and these writers are amazing so they could be throwing us off the scent. .. however, it is difficult to believe that only one person in the entire world could think of such a complex idea without another person somewhere thinking the same thing.. in possible variations.
we need some riddler experts to view the show
All memories/Flashbacks are fabricated, notice objects that were present in the episode turning up in the flashbacks. What each character is remembering is directly effecting their response and actions. Whay someone or something is doing this I don’t know.
didn’t feel like reading it but the summeration sounded interesting
richard has not aged since ben was a child. why would ben be leader? is he the only one who can see/hear him. is lock supposed to be jacobs saviour coz he hears him say help me but ben does not. jacob seems to be a prisoner in the old shack and the ring of grey matter around the shack could be to trap him there or it could be gunpowder. not sure if hes physically or astrally there
by the way thanks to the original poster for the real world links. ties up with alot of other stuff in the real world version of lost (us)
in the third season, locke’s dad pushes locke out of a window.
in the first season, hurley is talking to one of his employees, about the numbers being cursed, his employee says that there’s no such thing as curses and a man falls pass the other side of the window behind them, that is locke.
Good catch King. I completly forgot about that happening.
on the last episode of the third season.
charlie has flashbacks of the five best moments of his life.
in one of them, there’s a woman who tells him that he’s a hero. that woman is sayid’s old girlfriend who sayid has been looking for, Nardia
yeah, if you look closly. locke when he’s falling and the man falling, are both wearing the same clothes!
in the first season. jack see’s his dead father, and when he looks in the coffin where his dad is supposed to be, he’s not there.
then in the third season. ecko see his dead brother yemmi, and when he looks in the plane where he’s supposed to be, he’s gone.
so jack and ecko see someone who’s dead, then the dead person isn’t where his final resting place was.
Nice theory – I hope that Dharma Phase II will give you some more fodder for thought.
I have a theory…
META-FICTION…
Like Pirandello’s Six Characters In Search Of An Author, or PKD’s Man in a High Castle…
LOST is a play/story/idea of Ben who is the Writer who created all the characters, and their backstories. He is the one surrounded by books, making notes, talking into a hand recorder. He is the writer having created a great story with powerful characters, only the characters have grown past him and want to escape his fiction, to escape the island.
And in doing so he punishes them with lost lives off the island.
It is an old idea in Twlight Zone/PKD/Pirandello land but it has a refreshing new feeling and is very well executed.
If its the end of the world where did the crates of food that were dropped on the island come from?
I would like to say this theory is the best i have heard yet and makes a lot of sense,well written and put together and glad its not gone down the purgatory route.
Brilliant.
this theory holds pretty good for the first 2 seasons or so. now with all of the flash forwards i dont know if i can say that the world is actually messed up due to the change of the earths magnetic field. everything appears to be fine in the real world when the oceanic 6 return. guess we’ll just have to keep watching.
koogs i agree with you. the third season contradicts some of these things (nice attempt anyway!). The bears are studied by the Others, they must have been brought there… Then the Others are one group only. They live and work together…
Hoerver, i do think that the electromagnetic theory explains a large number of unexplained things in lost thus far…. locke’s ability to re-walk, compass, hatch button… but the cryogenic theory i dont buy… :/
ah! I can’t see the pictures…. is it normal ?
we still have yet to learn more about the people that convinced ben to kill off the darma initiative with them. they haven’t been around since he left their camp to meet up at the radio tower at the end of last season.
An idea went right through my mind, which could give a nice template for writers to expand their imagination, without limits. I’ve searched through this forum and others and i’ve seen that only one more person had the same idea (spice girl)..
Is everyone familiar with the movie eXistenZ? Jude Law starring.
If you are not, i suggest you see it and reply if there could be a possibility of the writers combining eXistenZ, and The Game as a template, and afterwards expanding all the drama story..
Everyone participating in the Lost game gave their personal information in order to play the Lost game, and inside the game, everyone is loyal to his role… I could imagine Ben and Windmore as the administrators or the team leaders, the original inhabitans as the bots or tech support and of course, when the island moved, the only thing that moved was the scene of the game.. all the characters are present, as also all the crazy stuff (numbers, hurley can see dead people, and the Island still puts obstacles in order the Game to continue as a plot)
The Island is the game, not as land.
cheers
Regarding the references to Utopia, has anyone noticed that Thomas More’s book Utopia was published in 1516 (numbers).
“Utopia is a name for an ideal community or society, taken from the title of a book written in 1516 by Sir Thomas More describing a fictional island in the Atlantic Ocean, possessing a seemingly perfect socio-politico-legal system. The term has been used to describe both intentional communities that attempted to create an ideal society, and fictional societies portrayed in literature. “Utopia” is sometimes used pejoratively, in reference to an unrealistic ideal that is impossible to achieve, and has spawned other concepts, most prominently dystopia.” [Wikipedia]
Maybe the Others are trying to live in their Utopia but they keep being interrupted by various groups who get in the way – 1800s Black Rock folk, 1954 US Army, 1970s Dharma, 2004 Losties etc. etc.
one cannot google the experience of reading the books (Walker Percy, Flannery O’Conner, Doestoevsky,etc that the writers were steeped in –meaning they read these works and –as as many great writers before them, including James Joyce Ulysses, used the best writing that came before them to inform LOST– might you be able to connect Penelope and Desmond to this. If you can, well you must have valid reasons for your complaint (Also, the writers are not making it all up as they go along -they’ve always had an end point, GOOGLE this). i’ve seen far too many posts and comments on the street from people question titles rather than meaning of books. if you are one who has read the books, i apologize. If not, seriously, do your homework before such pat claims. modern quantum explains the time travel = read Oxford University press THE END OF TIME before making claims that the writers don’t know what they’re doing. if you’ve investigated the science behind show — well again, you must have a specific reason/empirical data to back up complaint.
Is this the phase 2 you are referring to?
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